Hi, I forgot to add that Patrick CLIFFORD Jr.'s mother's name was probably Catherine or Bridget - since based on Irish naming patterns, he only had two daugthers - and that's what he named them. I can't say for sure though because with his first two sons, they switched the naming patterns - first son named after mother's father etc. So I don't know if they did that with the daugthers as well. But either way, I"m guessing that Patrick CLIFFORD born approx 1837 was the son of Patrick CLIFFORD and either Catherine or Bridget CLIFFORD. Thanks. -Amanda Clifford