For Jack S Glad you're back "all in one piece". You request re "?@notes.dayton.edu" or something like that. Dayton is indeed a Jesuit University in Dayton, Ohio (near Cleveland- SW I think) Since it is from a jeb school I assume it's for research done under the grooup identifier "notes". Hope that helps - if not Dayton's computer people can probly connect you . Reading the chat between you and Ray keeps me going Thanks Roz; searching Shea (from Cashapuca townland outside Tralee) and Catherine Murphy Murphy & family from Ardfert. Both Catherine's daughter and my Ggrand Matthew Shea's son Cornelius wound up in Waterbury CT on Hickory St (known as Shea Alley). -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:32 PM To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 186 Today's Topics: 1. Re: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 185 (mldanahy@olemiss.edu) 2. Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes (mave77@comcast.net) 3. Priest Assignments and Retirements in Kerry in 2007 (Ray Marshall) 4. Re: Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes (Ray Marshall) 5. Re: Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes (biermajw@notes.udayton.edu) 6. Re: Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes (Foleystph@aol.com) 7. Re: Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes (John L. Sweeney) 8. Park City Utah newspaper (PatsiGen) 9. Re: Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes (Ray Marshall) 10. Aglish (Mary Simpson) 11. Re: Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes (Paul Leahy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:12:16 -0500 From: mldanahy@olemiss.edu Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 185 To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <469385b0.3a4.6e3c.24057@olemiss.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For information about medals awarded by Queen Victoria - an individual whom my great grandfather had to renounce by name - I would start at www.royal.gov.uk Otherwise Google will supply all sorts of official historical government websites. Have you tried buying the medal back from the church? Michael DANAHY http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/d/a/n/Michael-C-Danahy/index.html RESEARCHING IN MA (Hopkinton), IRE, ENG ALDRICH http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~aldrichnaa/ (one m SMITH, earlier ones m CASAVANT, COMEE, http://www.familyorigins.com/users/e/v/a/Jeanne-C-Evans LOVELL, PRAY, PRENTICE, RAWSON, SEALD, THAYER); http://members.xoom.com/jaldrich/Lines/Michael.htm Aldrich Family biographies, go to http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/AldrichBios or go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aldrich/ CASAVANT (who m MORAN); CURRAN (who m DANAHY) DANAHY (b. in Hopkinton and who m LENAN, siblings m. TOLAN, JOHNSON, O'CONNOR) LENAN (who m O"BRIEN); SMITH (who m CASEY); PRENTICE (who m ALDRICH) http://www.prenticenet.com/roots/prentice/robert/#R4 RAWSON (one m ALLEN, later one TORREY) http://www.rawsonfamilyassoc.org/ THAYER (Thomas m WHEELER, son Ferdinando m HAYWARD); http://members.aol.com/Sadie476/Thayer.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:58:06 +0000 From: mave77@comcast.net Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <071020071558.22584.4693AC8E000B68C2000058382207000953C9C90A900E03@comcast.n et> Content-Type: text/plain Hi, I'm thoroughly confused about civil parishes and church parishes - If I have a list of civil parishes, and I'd like to find out which church parish covers each, how do I go about this? I've been googling it and searching it for the last half hour to no avail. i.e. The civil Parish of Aglish - which Roman Catholic church or parish will have the records? Thank you. -A ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:23:35 -0500 From: "Ray Marshall" <raymarsh@mninter.net> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Priest Assignments and Retirements in Kerry in 2007 To: "Kerry List" <IRL-Kerry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <JDEMLDCBLONGAEDEIEFOGEILDPAA.raymarsh@mninter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" http://www.the-kingdom.ie/news/story.asp?j=24538 Priest shortage crisis as five clergy retire By: Eve Kelliher THE Bishop of Kerry has announced a major reshuffle of clergy in the diocese with five senior priests retiring from service. The changes will take effect from Wednesday, July 18 and they further highlight a serious shortage of priests in the diocese, with five retiring and just one ordination forthcoming. Parishioners will bid farewell to five popular and long-serving clergymen who will retire in July. These include Dingle PP Monsignor P?draig " Fiannachta, Ballyheigue PP Fr Tom Pierse and Canon Patrick Horgan who has served in Rathmore for many years. Also retiring are Glenflesk native Fr Roger Kelleher, who was parish priest in Firies and Fr Michael O'Leary, the Ballymacelligott priest who was seriously injured in a dastardly late night attack near his home last year. Canon Patrick Horgan will become an assistant priest at St Mary's Cathedral in Killarney, while Fr O'Leary will help out with parish duties at St John's in Tralee. Popular Kilcummin parish priest, Fr Tom Looney, moves to Dingle while Fr Tom Leane, parish priest of Our Lady and St Brendan's, Tralee, transfers to take the helm of the parish in Ballyheigue. Fr Larry Kelly moves from Milltown to Rathmore and he will be replaced in Milltown by Fr Pat O'Donnell who had been chaplain at the Institute of Technology in Tralee. Fr Danny Broderick, who has been parish priest in PP, Dromid, Waterville, now becomes parish priest of Our Lady and St Brendan's, Tralee, while Fr Joseph Begley, leaves the teaching staff at St Brendan's College to become parish priest in Kilcummin. Fr Noel Spring, who has served as administrator in Firies, now becomes parish priest there, while Fr Pat Crean-Lynch, a curate in Ken-mare, has been appointed parish priest of Ballymacel-Fr Kevin Sullivan, a curate who had been attached to Our Lady and St Brendan's, Tralee, becomes chaplain of the Institute of Technology, Tralee, while Fr John Kerin, a curate in Rathmore, has been elevated to the post of parish priest in Dromid, Waterville. Fr Padraig Kennelly, a long-time curate in Castleis-land, becomes a curate in St John's parish in Tralee. Fr Jerry Keane, who has been a curate at St John's, transfers to Kenmare, while Fr Michael Moynihan, a curate at St John's, Tralee, has been appointed to the same position in Castleisland. Fr Con Buckley, a curate in Listowel, moves to Rathmore as curate and Fr Patsy Lynch of the Society of African Missions (SMA) becomes a curate in Our Lady and St. Brendan's, Tralee. Meanwhile, Fr Bernard Healy, currently a deacon, will continue post-graduate studies in Rome and will be ordained a priest of the Diocese of Kerry at a ceremony in Our Lady and St Brendan's Church, Tralee, on Sunday next. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:03:42 -0500 From: "Ray Marshall" <raymarsh@mninter.net> Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes To: <mave77@comcast.net>, <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <JDEMLDCBLONGAEDEIEFOKEINDPAA.raymarsh@mninter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Civil Parishes roughly have the borders that the church parishes did when the Church of Ireland was established in the 1530s or so. They were the primary government subdivisions in the 19th century, along with Baronies and Townlands I believe that they also served as the parishes for the Church of Ireland but inasmuch as most CofI adherents moved away, surely there must have been some consolidation. The Roman Catholic Parishes have changed many times over the years as the Catholic population increased, and then fell after the Great Famine of the late 1840s. You can find small maps of the Kerry Civil Parishes and Roman Catholic Parishes on the Kerry Web Page (where else?). http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/civparlist.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/towna.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/kerrypar.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/parishx2.html The only townland location maps that I have ever seen, other than the occasional effort by a volunteer, are those found on the microfiche copies of Griffiths Valuation. The definitive source for determining where your records are located and what years are available probably would be "Irish Records, Sources for Family & Local History" by James G. Ryan. The book is now in its second edition (1997) which is greatly revised from the first (1988) and has about 100 more pages. It is expensive, so try to find it at a library or inter-library loan. Ray Marshall Minneapolis, where we're having a loverly Summer, awaiting the results on the prognosis for one J. Sweeney who returned from vacation much the worse for the wear. I think the man still thinks he is a youth. -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of mave77@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:58 AM To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes Hi, I'm thoroughly confused about civil parishes and church parishes - If I have a list of civil parishes, and I'd like to find out which church parish covers each, how do I go about this? I've been googling it and searching it for the last half hour to no avail. i.e. The civil Parish of Aglish - which Roman Catholic church or parish will have the records? Thank you. -A ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:36:31 -0400 From: biermajw@notes.udayton.edu Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <OFD206E8B9.5C3F077C-ON85257314.006BB687-85257314.006BB6AB@notes.udayton.edu > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:10:05 EDT From: Foleystph@aol.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes To: biermajw@notes.udayton.edu, irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d54.d28808f.33c5419d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" wHAT WAS THE MESSAGE........TOM ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:42:32 -0400 From: "John L. Sweeney" <sweelab@enter.net> Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes To: <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <003d01c7c343$9ab8b590$6400a8c0@your22ca86d5c4> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Good Evening All: Does anyone know who this is? == biermajw@notes.udayton.edu I noticed the University of Dayton, that's in Ohio I think, it's right next to Pennsylvania and has a large Amish population too. Back from a well earned vacation and roaring to get back to the Kerry List and be of some help or at least pointing guidance towards someone who can actually be of assistance. I usually pick Ray Marshall, he's got nothing to do but pop pills and drink cheap Italian wine for his gout. It's like trying to hold back the tide. Pity that. Love, Jack Sweeney, in very wet and noisey Palmer, Pennsylvania where there's one hell of a thunder storm going on right now. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:13:29 -0400 From: "PatsiGen" <n2genealogy@comcast.net> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Park City Utah newspaper To: "Shamrock List" <SHAMROCK@rootsweb.com>, "New England Irish List" <NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH@rootsweb.com>, "Kerry List" <IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com>, "Kelly List" <KELLY@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <01e501c7c347$edb3b3e0$9865fea9@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" A very kind woman noticed that I was researching my KELLY family from Utah, and sent me a link to Utah newspapers online. It is free to search digital copies of articles, see the available papers at : http://www.lib.utah.edu/digital/unews/ My great-great uncle, JOHN P. KELLY, emigrated from Co. Kerry, Ireland, abt. 1879. He was naturalized in Utah, and worked in the silver and lead mines in Park City for nearly 40 years. He married Elizabeth HEALY, who was from Burlington, VT. Starting in 1879, they had 7 children, John C. KELLY, May, Florence, Irene Lulu, James, William, and Stewart (William and Stewart may be the same person, I found a Park City marriage for William Stewart KELLY). I found Park City newspaper articles in The Park Record for John P., his wife, and many of their children. It was so exciting to see these articles and get a feel for the personalities of my ancestors, as well as getting some facts for them. I hope those of you with Utah ancestors can find use of these newspaper articles. (As far as a New England connection goes, John P. Kelly's brother, Patrick, also worked in the Utah mines for a time, but later settled in Hadley, Massachusetts in 1886.) Hope this helps someone! ~Patsy~ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:14:59 -0500 From: "Ray Marshall" <raymarsh@mninter.net> Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes To: "John L. Sweeney" <sweelab@enter.net>, <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <JDEMLDCBLONGAEDEIEFOMEJODPAA.raymarsh@mninter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When I heard that I had "gout", I was really depressed because I thought it was an "old man's disease. But then I learned that it was most common in women and young men. O Happy Day! That was after the pain went away. Ray Looking forward to some chianti (cheap) later, in Minneapolis How come there are no Irish wines? -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John L. Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:43 PM To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes Good Evening All: I usually pick Ray Marshall, he's got nothing to do but pop pills and drink cheap Italian wine for his gout. It's like trying to hold back the tide. Pity that. Love, Jack Sweeney, in very wet and noisey Palmer, Pennsylvania where there's one hell of a thunder storm going on right now. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:21:42 +0100 From: Mary Simpson <mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Aglish To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <a12d5e4283cee785c70415f8695912aa@msimpson.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed A the old civil parish of Aglish is in the Catholic parish of Firies, they have births and marriages from about 1830, and some births and marriages from the 1880-90s listed in volume 8 of the O'Kiefe, Coshe Mang, Slieve Loughter and Upper Blackwater in Ireland, by Dr A.E.Casey, Mary ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:31:04 +0100 From: "Paul Leahy" <pablo@leahy50.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes To: <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002301c7c34a$63a0fe80$fe774f51@YOURC27A701A4D> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Gout can be a "man who's enjoying life too much disease". Too much good food and good drink, sir! I suggest a month in a monastery on a diet of potatoes and bog water, with absolutely no Chianti. There does seem to be a boom in Irish cider, if it is any consolation....until such time as the full effects of global warming kick in and they're growing Chianti on the slopes of South Kerry... Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Marshall" <raymarsh@mninter.net> To: "John L. Sweeney" <sweelab@enter.net>; <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes > When I heard that I had "gout", I was really depressed because I > thought > it > was an "old man's disease. > > But then I learned that it was most common in women and young men. O > Happy > Day! > > That was after the pain went away. > > > Ray > Looking forward to some chianti (cheap) later, in Minneapolis How come > there are no Irish wines? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John L. Sweeney > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:43 PM > To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church > Parishes > > Good Evening All: > > > > I usually pick Ray Marshall, he's got nothing to do but pop pills and > drink > cheap Italian wine for his gout. It's like trying to hold back the tide. > Pity that. > > Love, Jack Sweeney, in very wet and noisey Palmer, Pennsylvania where > there's one hell of a thunder storm going on right now. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 186 *****************************************