Begin forwarded message: > From: Mary Simpson <mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk> > Date: 11 July 2007 12:01:58 BST > To: "Amanda Clifford" <mave77@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Aglish > > Amanda > > You will find that the Catholic parishes in Ireland often cover large > areas, and whilst ( the older generation especially ) many people > still refer to their civil parishes as where they are from - all my > great aunts did, the Catholic parish will include - although, > frustratingly, often not specify, all the little townlands within that > parish on the lists of births, marriages etc etc. Thus they will have > - 18 May 1842, Jas Murphy to Ml Murphy and Cath Sullivan, sponsors > Ds Sullivan and My Murphy - but no place of residence.... > So - the baptism of James Murphy, son of Michael Murphy and Catherine > O Sullivan, Godparents ( usually close relatives, parents or siblings > ) Denis O Sullivan and Mary Murphy, - but NOT which townland they > lived in!! So it's down to family memories and > cross-referencing....... The babies were often baptised on the same > day as they were born, or the day after, and the mother was usually > not present. > > Its the same for marriages, and only later when you get close to Civil > Registration in the 1864 that townlands begin to be included in the > documentation, and fathers of the bride and groom. > > Good luck with your search, > > Mary > > On 11 Jul 2007, at 02:42, Amanda Clifford wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Thank you. >> >> I'm wondering if you can help clear something else for me... >> >> I've taken a listing of all Patrick Cliffords (my great-great >> grandfather) >> on Griffiths and I've created a chart which shows each townland those >> Patricks lived in - from there, I went to >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/kerrypar.html >> >> and I plugged in all of the corresponding Catholic parish data - I'm >> attaching the chart so you can see what I mean. >> >> Here's where I'm confused - let's take the first entry: Ardmore in >> Kilcrochane Civil Parish - now, the corresponding Catholic church >> information says Caherdaniel and then lists which records are >> available and >> then the second parish info says Sneem and gives me the dates - now, >> does >> that mean that only the townlands of Caherdaniel and Sneem have >> records? Or >> are Caherdaniel and Sneem the two Catholic parishes that cover this >> area and >> then it's breaking them down and showing me which records they have? >> >> This is probably a very easy question but just when I think I >> understand it, >> I start getting confused again! >> >> PS the reason I've marked all the Killorglins as N/A is because I was >> in >> Killorglin in January and I checked the records at the church - I >> think it >> was St. James - I can't remember off the top of my head - and there >> were no >> records of any Patrick Cliffords born to Patrick Cliffords in my >> relative >> time frame - that also includes the Irish spelling of the last name - >> any >> Patrick Cluvanes born to any Patrick Cluvanes - but now I'm confused >> - did I >> only check one parish/church register for just Killorglin the town or >> was I >> checking Killorglin parish records for all of Killorglin including >> other >> townlands? See how I'm confusing myself?!?! >> >> >> Thank you for your help. >> >> >> -A >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Mary Simpson >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:22 PM >> To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Aglish >> >> A >> >> the old civil parish of Aglish is in the Catholic parish of Firies, >> they have births and marriages from about 1830, and some births and >> marriages from the 1880-90s listed in volume 8 of the O'Kiefe, Coshe >> Mang, Slieve Loughter and Upper Blackwater in Ireland, by Dr >> A.E.Casey, >> >> Mary >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> <List of Patrick Cliffords in Kerry According to Griffiths.xls> >