TUE 1/22/08 I am presently conducting a search for my Paternal Grandfather, Patrick Brown Ahern and his brother, Andrew B. Ahern. The Kerry Registration Office, St. Columbanus house, Killarney, was only able to give me names of John Ahern and Mary Burns, as possible parents. For reasons given below and other information obtained to date, I believe that information is incorrect. The following was mailed back in December, to Parish Priests near Listowel and best summarizes my search. No responses from PP's to date.     Parish Priest St. Brigid’s Church Daugh, Listowel County Kerry, Ireland   Dear Father:   In July and August, 2007, my wife and I vacationed in Ireland, for the very first time. We looked for records in Listowel relating to my Grandfather, Patrick Brown Ahern, but were unsuccessful. Prior to arriving my knowledge about my Grandfather was as follows:             Patrick Brown Ahern, born about 1881, Listowel, Kerry, Ireland, immigrated to the USA about 1901;   Another brother, Andrew B. Ahern, born about 1886, Listowel, Kerry, Ireland, immigrated to the USA about 1904;   A third brother, name unknown, remained in Listowel, to tend the family farm near “Knocknaglaugh”. That brother purportedly had a son who in turn had five children. Two of those children were Esther Ahern (who married Conner last name unknown and may have moved to England) and Mary Ahern Stark (a nurse).   We were looking for “Knocknaglaugh” but nobody knew where it was located. We met a lady, near Moyvane who translated it to mean “Hill of the Ducks”. Later we would learn a more correct translation was “Hill of the Rocks”.   I purchased a book in Moyvane, “Logainmneacha”, Place names of North Kerry including Tralee and Ballymacelligot, by Dan Keane, also of Moyvane.  We had to continue on out trip and were not able to closely examine the contents of the book until arriving home.   The book, on page 43, under the heading LYREACROMPANE, lists “Knocknaglough” (which has a one letter difference in the spelling we had). In the book it is translated as “The hill of the stones”. With this new information I went back on the computer after returning home and refined the search for my Grandfather and his brother, Andrew.   My latest computer search has revealed, in part, the following two possibilities for the parents of my Grandfather:   Husband: John Ahern, b @ 1854, Lyreacrompane, Daugh, Listowel, Kerry, Ireland, married 11 FEB 1873, Lyreacrompane, Daugh, Listowel, Kerry   Wife: Mary Burns, b @ 1854, Lyreacrompane, Daugh, Listowel, Kerry, Ireland, married 11 FEB 1873, Lyreacrompane, Daugh, Listowel, Kerry   OR   Husband: Patrick Ahern   Wife: Johanna Brown     Ironically, each set of parents shown above had sons WITH THE SAME FIRST NAMES, born about the time (depending of which parents) of my Grandfather and his brother, as follows: PATRICK (BROWN) AHERN, born (@ 1881) Lyreacrompane, Daugh, Listowel, Kerry, Ireland, and   ANDREW B. AHERN, born (27 June 1886) (approximately 6 years after my Grandfather), Lyreacrompane, Daugh, Listowel, Kerry, Ireland   This conforms to dates of birth and geographical data already in my possession. It is simply more refined. With this new information, garnered from my conversations, and research, I now believe records may be found at either of the following Churches:               St. Brigid’s Church             Daugh, County Kerry, or               Church of the Sacred Heart             Lyreacrompane, County Kerry   Because of the common middle name of Brown, my suspicion is that the parents were Patrick Ahern and Johanna Brown. Accordingly, I am writing to the Parish Priest, at each Church, to ask for your assistance. From records in your possession, can you verify the birth and Baptism of Patrick Brown Ahern and Andrew B. Ahern? I would also be very interested as to whether you can provide any date for marriage, birth or death of the parents Patrick Ahern and Johanna Brown.   My wife and I plan on returning to Ireland in September, 2008. Our plans include several days in the Listowel area. Depending on the information you might provide now, our ancestry search, in the Listowel area, would be greatly enhanced.   Thank you for your consideration and cooperation. Your patience and courtesy is greatly appreciated. Sincerely, /s/ Bob Ahern ADDITIONALLY, I have been able to determine ther following, from various Internet searches: My GRANDFATHER, Patrick Brown Ahern (b JAN 1, 1881, as listed on his WWI Registration) and d May 3, 1928 in San Francisco, CA) departed from Queenstown, Ireland, and arrived in the USA about 1901;   A younger brother, always affectionately known as “Uncle Andrew”, my GREAT UNCLE, Andrew Bartelman Ahern (as listed on his WWI Draft Registration), (b DEC 18, 1886  in  Lyreacrompane, Daugh, Listowel, County Kerry, Ireland also immigrated to San Francisco, about 1906 and d 1980, in San Mateo County, CA). Andrew married Della Ahern (b 1893 d @ 1954 who was not related) a nurse and had immigrated to the US about the same period of time.   On the death certificate of Patrick Brown Ahern, “Uncle Andrew” attested to the information provided and gave the names of Patrick Ahern’s parents as follows: Father-Patrick Ahern and Mother-Johanna Ahern What I am hoping is that you might be able to provide me some assistance in deteming the "true names" of the parents of Patrick and Andrew Ahern. And, also the correct townland and parish, so that I may obtain baptismal records for them as well as their parents. Thank you. Sincerely, Bob Ahern   My GRANDFATHER, Patrick Brown Ahern (b JAN 1, 1881, as listed on his WWI Registration) and d May 3, 1928 in San Francisco, CA) departed from Queenstown, Ireland, and arrived in the USA about 1901;   A younger brother, always affectionately known as “Uncle Andrew”, my GREAT UNCLE, Andrew Bartelman Ahern (as listed on his WWI Draft Registration), (b DEC 18, 1886  in  Lyreacrompane, Daugh, Listowel, County Kerry, Ireland also immigrated to San Francisco, about 1906 and d 1980, in San Mateo County, CA). Andrew married Della Ahern (b 1893 d @ 1954 who was not related) a nurse and had immigrated to the US about the same period of time.   On the death certificate of Patrick Brown Ahern, “Uncle Andrew” attested to the information provided and gave the names of Patrick Ahern’s parents as follows: Father-Patrick Ahern and Mother-Johanna Ahern What I am hoping is that you might be able to provide me some assistance in deteming the "true names" of the parents of Patrick and Andrew Ahern. And, also the correct townland and parish, so that I may obtain baptismal records for them as well as their parents. Thank you. Sincerely, Bob Ahern                 ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com