-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, Aug 22, 2010 7:08 am Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Kerry - Tithes Lists Ray,    Are these Tithes lists indexed? Also what period do they cover?    Bev W    -----Original Message-----  From: Ray Marshall <[email protected]>  To: 'Andy & Norma McAuliffe' <[email protected]>; 'Kerry List' <[email protected]>  Sent: Sat, Aug 21, 2010 9:57 pm  Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Kerry - Tithes Lists    Andy    The Griffiths Valuation Microfiche at the Irish Genealogical Society  International library in South St. Paul, Minnesota, also had copies of  the Tithe Valuation attached. But it wasn't a complete Griffiths either  because it didn't have the Waterford Griffiths and probably other  counties.    But who put those together, I don't know.    Ray Marshall  In warm and humid Minneapolis      -----Original Message-----  From: [email protected]  [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andy & Norma  McAuliffe  Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 10:56 AM  To: Ray Marshall; Kerry List  Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Kerry - Tithes Lists    Ray: My g-grandfather Andrew Fogarty, b.1827 was baptized in Lixnaw  Parish.  His parents John & Elizabeth (Costello) lived in Aghabeg. Andrew had  two  older brothers, Matthew, b. Apr. 1823 and John b.1825, of whom we know  nothing more. Andrew's younger sister Johanna came to Canada with him  and  married a William Patrick Moriarty in Paris, ON., Canada. Where could  I  find records of the Tithes of their birth Parish? I checked the  Quinnipiac  U. collection but they don't seem to be there.  Andy McAuliffe, Kitchener, Canada    _______________  ---------------    Policies of the IRL-Kerry List:  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of  the message.    To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to  [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in  the subject and the body of the message.    To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to:  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/    Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish  genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide  audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html    -------------------------------  To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of  the message 

Bev I have never seen any index of thie Tithes lists. But that doesn't mean there aren't any. I believe that the Tithe survey in Kerry was done about in the late 1820s. "The Tithe Applotment Books record the results of a unique land survey taken to determine the amount of tax payable by landholders to the Church of Ireland. [Catholic had to pay, too] They are known as the Tithe Applotment Books because the results of this land survey were originally compiled in nearly 2,000 hand-written books. This data set represents a virtual census for pre-Famine Ireland. It took from 1812 to 1838 to do this survey. Prior to 1823, tenants had to contribute a portion of their crops to the Church of Ireland. In the original enumeration, each landholder was recorded along with details such as townland, size of holding, land quality and types of crops. The amount of tithe payable by each landholder was based on all of these factors and calculated by a formula using the average price of wheat and oats from 1816-23." "Not surprisingly, tithes were fiercely resented by those who were not members of the Church of Ireland, and all the more because the tax was not payable on all land; the exemptions produced spectacular inequalities. In Munster, for instance, tithes were payable on potato patches, but not on grassland, with the result that the poorest had to pay most. The exemptions also mean that the Tithe Books are not comprehensive. Apart from the fact that they omit entirely anyone not in occupation of land, certain categories of land, varying from area to area, are simply passed over in silence. Although not a full list of householders they nonetheless do constitute the only country-wide survey for the period, and are valuable precisely because the heaviest burden of tithes fell on the poorest, for whom few other records survive." Griffiths Valuation done from 1850 to 1868 was done to revalue land after the devastation caused by the Great Famine. Griffiths includes values for structures upon the land also. Kerry was published with the early counties (because it was one of the last ones done in the Tithe) in 1853; probably surveyed sometime between 1848 to 51 or so. http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/records/land/tiap.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffith%27s_valuation -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 6:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Fwd: Kerry - Tithes Lists -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, Aug 22, 2010 7:08 am Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Kerry - Tithes Lists Ray,    Are these Tithes lists indexed? Also what period do they cover?    Bev W    -----Original Message-----  From: Ray Marshall <[email protected]>  To: 'Andy & Norma McAuliffe' <[email protected]>; 'Kerry List' <[email protected]>  Sent: Sat, Aug 21, 2010 9:57 pm  Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Kerry - Tithes Lists    Andy    The Griffiths Valuation Microfiche at the Irish Genealogical Society  International library in South St. Paul, Minnesota, also had copies of  the Tithe Valuation attached. But it wasn't a complete Griffiths either  because it didn't have the Waterford Griffiths and probably other  counties.    But who put those together, I don't know.    Ray Marshall  In warm and humid Minneapolis