Hello Jenny, I don't know if there is a connection, but my g-g-grandmother was Mary SUGRUE from Glaantane, County Kerry m. 25 Feb 1854 Prior Parish to Michael SULLIVAN of Dungegan, County Kerry. [Glaantane is aka Glantane, near the town of Ballynane on the Dingle Peninsula.] This Mary SUGRUE would probably have been the right age to be sister of your Timothy SUGRUE [husband of Margaret TEAHAN]. The marriage, from Prior Parish Marriage Register: 25 Feb 1854 Michael Sullivan & Mary Sughrue; [bride] from townland: Glaantane [aka Glantane, I think]; witnesses: Daniel Moran & Bartholomew SHEA; clergy Rev. Patrick Foley [soruce: http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/] Michael SULLIVAN d. 18 Jun 1883 Dungegan, County Kerry. Listed as age 63; widower; occupation: Lot Holder; surviving relative: Thomas Neil, nephew. Source: information extrated from death record. [Based on this record, Mary d. bef 18 Jun 1883]. Do you think there may be a connection here? Thanks in advance for your thoughts! Eileen In a message dated 8/23/10, [email protected] writes: > Rod I was interested to see your comment - (perhaps because they may have > been in Ballymacelligott parish). > My SUGRUE and DUGGAN families who immigrated to New Zealand came from the > townland of Dromavalla in the Parish of Ballymacelligott (DED Ballyseedy). > Although I have been fortunate and found many records on the Kerry Parish > Records site that connect to my line, there are others that I have not > been > able to locate - my great grandfather Timothy SUGRUE c1852 and his brother > John c1850 - the sons of Timothy SUGRUE and Margaret TEAHAN. > I have been told this is possibly due to a fire about 1866 that destroyed > the Ballymacelligott church and all records held there. I think from > memory > the first records for Ballymacelligott on the Kerry Parish Records site > start about 1868 - there is nothing for Ballymacelligott prior to 1868. > Do you have any knowledge as to this possible fire or why Ballymacelligott > records commence in 1868? > I have also read where Ballymacelligott was or is the largest Parish in > Kerry? > Regards > Jenny > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> > To: "'marysimpson'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; > "'Rootsweb Cork'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:32 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney > WorkHouse Guardian Minutes > > > >I have set myself the task of relating the famine in local terms for my > > family and our society and started the research during a recent visit to > > Killarney.  It is very early days but here's some random stuff in > relation > > to your areas of interest > > > > Killaha, Killarney and Killorglin lost 33% of the potato crop in 1846 vs > > 66% > > in Aghadoe and others.  By 1847 the first two were still not as badly > hit > > but Killorglin was suffering in terms of gratuitous poor law relief. > > > > In relation to Kerry emigration between 1841-51, 16.6% left Magunihy > > barony > > which is not half as bad as some others who lost 25 to 36% (two were > > however > > as low as 4.5-5.6%. > > > > The project will need a few more trips to Kerry and a lot of writing > time. > > > > In my own case I have been unable to find the birth and marriage records > > of > > this period for my family (perhaps because they may have been in > > Ballymacelligott parish). > > > > Was Donough's feedback helpful? > > > > Cheers > > > > Rod > > > > Rod O'Donoghue > > Author of 'O'Donoghue People and Places' > > Founder of The O'Donoghue Society > > www.odonoghue.co.uk > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of marysimpson > > Sent: 23 August 2010 10:13 > > To: [email protected]; Rootsweb Cork > > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney Work > > House Guardian Minutes > > > > I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation > > so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that > > I would like to see if anyone else has views about. > > > > 1.  Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's > > Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? > > There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps  - > >  and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the > > ones you are interested in.  But it's still an invaluable resource. > > > > 2.   I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse > > Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month  -  and > > attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness > > -  but something niggled me.  During this period our Kerry families > > continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every > > year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived.  They > > leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about > > twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on > > poorer land.  And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in > > the early 1860s.  Does this mean that they were just lucky?  The Minute > > Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were > > some places particularly hard hit?  Our family were from Glenflesk, > > Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. > > > > Mary

Hello Eileen, Apologies for delay - have been down in Melbourne for a couple of days. I can positively pinpoint my Great Great grandparents Timothy SUGRUE and Margaret TEAHAN to be living in the townland of Dromavalla (DED Ballyseedy, Parish of Ballymacelligott) from about 1850 however I can not as yet ascertain if Timothy was from Dromavalla or moved there from another area. So I am unable to say at this stage if there is a connection between my Timothy SUGRUE and your Mary SUGRUE from Glaantane. Will keep your thought in mind in my search! Regards Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:30 AM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] SUGRUE - Re: regarding Griffith's lists maps andKillarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes Hello Jenny, I don't know if there is a connection, but my g-g-grandmother was Mary SUGRUE from Glaantane, County Kerry m. 25 Feb 1854 Prior Parish to Michael SULLIVAN of Dungegan, County Kerry. [Glaantane is aka Glantane, near the town of Ballynane on the Dingle Peninsula.] This Mary SUGRUE would probably have been the right age to be sister of your Timothy SUGRUE [husband of Margaret TEAHAN]. The marriage, from Prior Parish Marriage Register: 25 Feb 1854 Michael Sullivan & Mary Sughrue; [bride] from townland: Glaantane [aka Glantane, I think]; witnesses: Daniel Moran & Bartholomew SHEA; clergy Rev. Patrick Foley [soruce: http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/] Michael SULLIVAN d. 18 Jun 1883 Dungegan, County Kerry. Listed as age 63; widower; occupation: Lot Holder; surviving relative: Thomas Neil, nephew. Source: information extrated from death record. [Based on this record, Mary d. bef 18 Jun 1883]. Do you think there may be a connection here? Thanks in advance for your thoughts! Eileen In a message dated 8/23/10, [email protected] writes: > Rod I was interested to see your comment - (perhaps because they may have > been in Ballymacelligott parish). > My SUGRUE and DUGGAN families who immigrated to New Zealand came from the > townland of Dromavalla in the Parish of Ballymacelligott (DED Ballyseedy). > Although I have been fortunate and found many records on the Kerry Parish > Records site that connect to my line, there are others that I have not > been > able to locate - my great grandfather Timothy SUGRUE c1852 and his brother > John c1850 - the sons of Timothy SUGRUE and Margaret TEAHAN. > I have been told this is possibly due to a fire about 1866 that destroyed > the Ballymacelligott church and all records held there. I think from > memory > the first records for Ballymacelligott on the Kerry Parish Records site > start about 1868 - there is nothing for Ballymacelligott prior to 1868. > Do you have any knowledge as to this possible fire or why Ballymacelligott > records commence in 1868? > I have also read where Ballymacelligott was or is the largest Parish in > Kerry? > Regards > Jenny > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> > To: "'marysimpson'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; > "'Rootsweb Cork'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:32 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney > WorkHouse Guardian Minutes > > > >I have set myself the task of relating the famine in local terms for my > > family and our society and started the research during a recent visit to > > Killarney. It is very early days but here's some random stuff in > relation > > to your areas of interest > > > > Killaha, Killarney and Killorglin lost 33% of the potato crop in 1846 vs > > 66% > > in Aghadoe and others. By 1847 the first two were still not as badly > hit > > but Killorglin was suffering in terms of gratuitous poor law relief. > > > > In relation to Kerry emigration between 1841-51, 16.6% left Magunihy > > barony > > which is not half as bad as some others who lost 25 to 36% (two were > > however > > as low as 4.5-5.6%. > > > > The project will need a few more trips to Kerry and a lot of writing > time. > > > > In my own case I have been unable to find the birth and marriage records > > of > > this period for my family (perhaps because they may have been in > > Ballymacelligott parish). > > > > Was Donough's feedback helpful? > > > > Cheers > > > > Rod > > > > Rod O'Donoghue > > Author of 'O'Donoghue People and Places' > > Founder of The O'Donoghue Society > > www.odonoghue.co.uk > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of marysimpson > > Sent: 23 August 2010 10:13 > > To: [email protected]; Rootsweb Cork > > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney Work > > House Guardian Minutes > > > > I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation > > so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that > > I would like to see if anyone else has views about. > > > > 1. Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's > > Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? > > There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps - > > and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the > > ones you are interested in. But it's still an invaluable resource. > > > > 2. I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse > > Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month - and > > attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness > > - but something niggled me. During this period our Kerry families > > continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every > > year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived. They > > leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about > > twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on > > poorer land. And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in > > the early 1860s. Does this mean that they were just lucky? The Minute > > Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were > > some places particularly hard hit? Our family were from Glenflesk, > > Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. > > > > Mary _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. 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