Rod I was interested to see your comment - (perhaps because they may have been in Ballymacelligott parish). My SUGRUE and DUGGAN families who immigrated to New Zealand came from the townland of Dromavalla in the Parish of Ballymacelligott (DED Ballyseedy). Although I have been fortunate and found many records on the Kerry Parish Records site that connect to my line, there are others that I have not been able to locate - my great grandfather Timothy SUGRUE c1852 and his brother John c1850 - the sons of Timothy SUGRUE and Margaret TEAHAN. I have been told this is possibly due to a fire about 1866 that destroyed the Ballymacelligott church and all records held there. I think from memory the first records for Ballymacelligott on the Kerry Parish Records site start about 1868 - there is nothing for Ballymacelligott prior to 1868. Do you have any knowledge as to this possible fire or why Ballymacelligott records commence in 1868? I have also read where Ballymacelligott was or is the largest Parish in Kerry? Regards Jenny Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> To: "'marysimpson'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "'Rootsweb Cork'" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes >I have set myself the task of relating the famine in local terms for my > family and our society and started the research during a recent visit to > Killarney. It is very early days but here's some random stuff in relation > to your areas of interest > > Killaha, Killarney and Killorglin lost 33% of the potato crop in 1846 vs > 66% > in Aghadoe and others. By 1847 the first two were still not as badly hit > but Killorglin was suffering in terms of gratuitous poor law relief. > > In relation to Kerry emigration between 1841-51, 16.6% left Magunihy > barony > which is not half as bad as some others who lost 25 to 36% (two were > however > as low as 4.5-5.6%. > > The project will need a few more trips to Kerry and a lot of writing time. > > In my own case I have been unable to find the birth and marriage records > of > this period for my family (perhaps because they may have been in > Ballymacelligott parish). > > Was Donough's feedback helpful? > > Cheers > > Rod > > Rod O'Donoghue > Author of 'O'Donoghue People and Places' > Founder of The O'Donoghue Society > www.odonoghue.co.uk > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of marysimpson > Sent: 23 August 2010 10:13 > To: [email protected]; Rootsweb Cork > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney Work > House Guardian Minutes > > I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation > so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that > I would like to see if anyone else has views about. > > 1. Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's > Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? > There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps - > and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the > ones you are interested in. But it's still an invaluable resource. > > 2. I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse > Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month - and > attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness > - but something niggled me. During this period our Kerry families > continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every > year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived. They > leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about > twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on > poorer land. And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in > the early 1860s. Does this mean that they were just lucky? The Minute > Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were > some places particularly hard hit? Our family were from Glenflesk, > Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. > > Mary > > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the > Irish > genealogy community. 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Jenny Have no knowledge of a fire - the church is always referred to as being built in 1824. Perhaps there was a fire in the church? For whatever reason the records are lost to us sadly. When you say the largest parish - in what respect? I doubt it is in terms of parishioners (vs Killarney and Tralee) or area but I could be wrong My family talked of us (O'Donoghues and Connors - with Sullivan and Mahoneys from Cork mixed in)coming from Killarney and Glenginthy which I have always interpreted as Glanageenty a townland in Ballymacelligott, and my more recent DNA patterns fit with folk from that general area. But as the parish records are lost I will probably never know more than that. TABs and Griffiths have not really helped. I have found a few Killarney families which might fit, but none are conclusive. You are lucky to have a definite townland to focus on. I am turning to the social conditions side of my family history for the next phase of my research until new connections come along. I live in hopes! Interestingly a great aunt is referred in UK censuses as being born in Kerry in 1891 but then in Dublin in 1901. I have not found her birth there either. Folk like me have to hope we find someone who recognises our family data - hence our presence on this forum! Cheers Rod Rod O'Donoghue Author of 'O'Donoghue People and Places' Founder of The O'Donoghue Society www.odonoghue.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Jenny B [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 August 2010 22:51 To: Rod O'Donoghue Cc: 'Kerry List' Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes Rod I was interested to see your comment - (perhaps because they may have been in Ballymacelligott parish). My SUGRUE and DUGGAN families who immigrated to New Zealand came from the townland of Dromavalla in the Parish of Ballymacelligott (DED Ballyseedy). Although I have been fortunate and found many records on the Kerry Parish Records site that connect to my line, there are others that I have not been able to locate - my great grandfather Timothy SUGRUE c1852 and his brother John c1850 - the sons of Timothy SUGRUE and Margaret TEAHAN. I have been told this is possibly due to a fire about 1866 that destroyed the Ballymacelligott church and all records held there. I think from memory the first records for Ballymacelligott on the Kerry Parish Records site start about 1868 - there is nothing for Ballymacelligott prior to 1868. Do you have any knowledge as to this possible fire or why Ballymacelligott records commence in 1868? I have also read where Ballymacelligott was or is the largest Parish in Kerry? Regards Jenny Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> To: "'marysimpson'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "'Rootsweb Cork'" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes >I have set myself the task of relating the famine in local terms for my > family and our society and started the research during a recent visit to > Killarney. It is very early days but here's some random stuff in relation > to your areas of interest > > Killaha, Killarney and Killorglin lost 33% of the potato crop in 1846 vs > 66% > in Aghadoe and others. By 1847 the first two were still not as badly hit > but Killorglin was suffering in terms of gratuitous poor law relief. > > In relation to Kerry emigration between 1841-51, 16.6% left Magunihy > barony > which is not half as bad as some others who lost 25 to 36% (two were > however > as low as 4.5-5.6%. > > The project will need a few more trips to Kerry and a lot of writing time. > > In my own case I have been unable to find the birth and marriage records > of > this period for my family (perhaps because they may have been in > Ballymacelligott parish). > > Was Donough's feedback helpful? > > Cheers > > Rod > > Rod O'Donoghue > Author of 'O'Donoghue People and Places' > Founder of The O'Donoghue Society > www.odonoghue.co.uk > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of marysimpson > Sent: 23 August 2010 10:13 > To: [email protected]; Rootsweb Cork > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney Work > House Guardian Minutes > > I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation > so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that > I would like to see if anyone else has views about. > > 1. Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's > Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? > There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps - > and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the > ones you are interested in. But it's still an invaluable resource. > > 2. I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse > Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month - and > attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness > - but something niggled me. During this period our Kerry families > continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every > year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived. They > leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about > twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on > poorer land. And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in > the early 1860s. Does this mean that they were just lucky? The Minute > Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were > some places particularly hard hit? Our family were from Glenflesk, > Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. > > Mary > > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the > Irish > genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide > audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. 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