Hi there There is a family of Connells still living in Gurteen, Cahirciveen. One of the Connells (John RIP) had a house in the East End Cahirciveen, it burned down when he was a young man and his young bride lost her life in it. He never remarried. His brother Paddy Connell lives at Gurteen, and has a family, this too has a tragic history, in 1981 he lost a son, who was married and had one child, the son Pat Jo, a lovely lad, and very popular was only 28 years old. Another son and his wife both died while on holiday in Spain about three years ago, a drunken driver mowed them down on their way home from a night out. Sorry that it is a tragic history, however it might help you with regards looking up the local Kerry papers. I think that it was July or August 1981 that Pat Jo died, he lived back Portmagee way at the time. It was also in the late summer that John Connell and his wife died in Spain, c.2005? if my memory serves me correctly. I can email my friend in Cahirciveen for the exact date if it is of interest to you. I reman yours Patrick O'Sullivan (formerly Cahirciveen, Co. Kerry) Kettering Northamptonshire England From: [email protected] Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 241 To: [email protected] Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 01:00:02 -0600 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:50:25 +0100 Subject: [IRL-KERRY] sugrue, connell,sullivan Hello Eileen I am also researching Sugrue whom I know married Connells from my family but have not found the exact link yet. Do you know who Micheal Sullivans parents were? My Connells are from Fermoyle, Gurteen,eastend ,caherciveen My nanny always said that 3 Sugrue girls married O Connells and emigrated to the US. I am related to Johanna (Sullivan) Shugrue, died at 98 Chapman, Willimantic, Feb 8, 1895 Age: 88 yrs Widow Born: Ireland Cause: old age and asthma Parents: John and Julia Sullivan, both born in Ireland The following website has alot of info on Sugrue,Connells, Brennans, Fogarty,McCarthy ,Neill,Sullivan,Moriarty,English, Carey,Casey ,Curran,King some of which emigrated from Caherciveen, Ballinskelligs area. http://www.angelfire.com/ct3/windhamvitals/ The website also has Ellen (Sugrue) Teehan, died Chapman St. Willimantic, March 14, 1903 Age: 45 yrs Married Born: Willimantic Housewife Cause: tuberculosis Parents: Timothy Sugrue and Margaret Donahue, both born in Ireland more info about teehan Rosaleen,Dublin researching O,Connell,O'Shea,McCrohan,Sullivan, Daily/Dawley,Walsh, Shea ,Murphy,Sugrue,Lynch,Kelly,Faye, Daniel Sullivan ,Portmagee, dogmount ,doora married Hanora Connell children so far Hanora Sullivan married Eugene (Owen) Sullivan,knockeenawadra married 1890s Helena Sullivan married Patrick Sullivan married 1900s Reencaheragh Researching relations who emigrated @1850-1900 from Caherciveen,Fermoyle,parish prior,outside Caherciveen,Cty Kerry Portmagee, parish killemlagh,Cty Ky reehcaheragh,knockeenawadra, doora many emigrated to Willimantic,Putnam,Windham Cty,CT,USA =Connell,Pflaumer,Ernestus,Sullivan Norwich,Colchester,Mystic,New London,CT=O'Connell,Burdick,Baral,Pero,Thompson,Sullivan 1930s Norwich,Colchester,Mystic,New London,CT=O'Connell,McCarthy,Dillon,McGovern,Sullivan,Walsh East Hampton,Portland,Moodus,Middlesex,CT Hartman 1940s=Wethersfield Hartford Co CT. James D O Connell m Anna Kriese, 1900s New York John M O COnnell married Margaret Teehan, East Hampton ,CT John Moriarty,New York, c1920s O'Connell,Lowe from Whitesone,Long Island, Ellen T O Connell m McGuire Andrew,Flushing,Long Island Cahalanes & Connells,O'Neills,Fitzgeralds from parish kilcrohane, Sneem, Tooreens,Dirreenavourig,Cty Kerry Any relations please email me Rosaleen,Dublin 4. SUGRUE - Re: regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes ([email protected])Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:30:45 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-KERRY] SUGRUE - Re: regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hello Jenny, I don't know if there is a connection, but my g-g-grandmother was Mary SUGRUE from Glaantane, County Kerry m. 25 Feb 1854 Prior Parish to Michael SULLIVAN of Dungegan, County Kerry. [Glaantane is aka Glantane, near the town of Ballynane on the Dingle Peninsula.] This Mary SUGRUE would probably have been the right age to be sister of your Timothy SUGRUE [husband of Margaret TEAHAN]. The marriage, from Prior Parish Marriage Register: 25 Feb 1854 Michael Sullivan & Mary Sughrue; [bride] from townland: Glaantane [aka Glantane, I think]; witnesses: Daniel Moran & Bartholomew SHEA; clergy Rev. Patrick Foley [soruce: http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/] Michael SULLIVAN d. 18 Jun 1883 Dungegan, County Kerry. Listed as age 63; widower; occupation: Lot Holder; surviving relative: Thomas Neil, nephew. Source: information extrated from death record. [Based on this record, Mary d. bef 18 Jun 1883]. Do you think there may be a connection here? Thanks in advance for your thoughts! Eileen --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: [email protected] CC: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:58:11 +1000 Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] SUGRUE Hello Eileen, Apologies for delay - have been down in Melbourne for a couple of days. I can positively pinpoint my Great Great grandparents Timothy SUGRUE and Margaret TEAHAN to be living in the townland of Dromavalla (DED Ballyseedy, Parish of Ballymacelligott) from about 1850 however I can not as yet ascertain if Timothy was from Dromavalla or moved there from another area. So I am unable to say at this stage if there is a connection between my Timothy SUGRUE and your Mary SUGRUE from Glaantane. Will keep your thought in mind in my search! Regards Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:30 AM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] SUGRUE - Re: regarding Griffith's lists maps andKillarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes Hello Jenny, I don't know if there is a connection, but my g-g-grandmother was Mary SUGRUE from Glaantane, County Kerry m. 25 Feb 1854 Prior Parish to Michael SULLIVAN of Dungegan, County Kerry. [Glaantane is aka Glantane, near the town of Ballynane on the Dingle Peninsula.] This Mary SUGRUE would probably have been the right age to be sister of your Timothy SUGRUE [husband of Margaret TEAHAN]. The marriage, from Prior Parish Marriage Register: 25 Feb 1854 Michael Sullivan & Mary Sughrue; [bride] from townland: Glaantane [aka Glantane, I think]; witnesses: Daniel Moran & Bartholomew SHEA; clergy Rev. Patrick Foley [soruce: http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/] Michael SULLIVAN d. 18 Jun 1883 Dungegan, County Kerry. Listed as age 63; widower; occupation: Lot Holder; surviving relative: Thomas Neil, nephew. Source: information extrated from death record. [Based on this record, Mary d. bef 18 Jun 1883]. Do you think there may be a connection here? Thanks in advance for your thoughts! Eileen In a message dated 8/23/10, [email protected] writes: > Rod I was interested to see your comment - (perhaps because they may have > been in Ballymacelligott parish). > My SUGRUE and DUGGAN families who immigrated to New Zealand came from the > townland of Dromavalla in the Parish of Ballymacelligott (DED Ballyseedy). > Although I have been fortunate and found many records on the Kerry Parish > Records site that connect to my line, there are others that I have not > been > able to locate - my great grandfather Timothy SUGRUE c1852 and his brother > John c1850 - the sons of Timothy SUGRUE and Margaret TEAHAN. > I have been told this is possibly due to a fire about 1866 that destroyed > the Ballymacelligott church and all records held there. I think from > memory > the first records for Ballymacelligott on the Kerry Parish Records site > start about 1868 - there is nothing for Ballymacelligott prior to 1868. > Do you have any knowledge as to this possible fire or why Ballymacelligott > records commence in 1868? > I have also read where Ballymacelligott was or is the largest Parish in > Kerry? > Regards > Jenny > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> > To: "'marysimpson'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; > "'Rootsweb Cork'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:32 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney > WorkHouse Guardian Minutes > > > >I have set myself the task of relating the famine in local terms for my > > family and our society and started the research during a recent visit to > > Killarney. It is very early days but here's some random stuff in > relation > > to your areas of interest > > > > Killaha, Killarney and Killorglin lost 33% of the potato crop in 1846 vs > > 66% > > in Aghadoe and others. By 1847 the first two were still not as badly > hit > > but Killorglin was suffering in terms of gratuitous poor law relief. > > > > In relation to Kerry emigration between 1841-51, 16.6% left Magunihy > > barony > > which is not half as bad as some others who lost 25 to 36% (two were > > however > > as low as 4.5-5.6%. > > > > The project will need a few more trips to Kerry and a lot of writing > time. > > > > In my own case I have been unable to find the birth and marriage records > > of > > this period for my family (perhaps because they may have been in > > Ballymacelligott parish). > > > > Was Donough's feedback helpful? > > > > Cheers > > > > Rod > > > > Rod O'Donoghue > > Author of 'O'Donoghue People and Places' > > Founder of The O'Donoghue Society > > www.odonoghue.co.uk > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of marysimpson > > Sent: 23 August 2010 10:13 > > To: [email protected]; Rootsweb Cork > > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney Work > > House Guardian Minutes > > > > I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation > > so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that > > I would like to see if anyone else has views about. > > > > 1. Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's > > Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? > > There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps - > > and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the > > ones you are interested in. But it's still an invaluable resource. > > > > 2. I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse > > Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month - and > > attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness > > - but something niggled me. During this period our Kerry families > > continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every > > year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived. They > > leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about > > twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on > > poorer land. And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in > > the early 1860s. Does this mean that they were just lucky? The Minute > > Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were > > some places particularly hard hit? Our family were from Glenflesk, > > Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. > > > > Mary _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. 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