I am interested in seeking out any descendants from my Barrett line of the family. From what I know, Edmond(Edward) Barrett and Mary Corridan(en) had a total of ten children, four of whom I have been able to trace to Holyoke, MA. My great grandmother Catherine(1866), her sister Margaret(1860) and sisters Johanna(1875)and Bridget(April 1870) all came to the US and married in Holyoke. Catherine married Jeremiah Donoghue from Causeway, Kerry; Margaret married John Maloney and Johanna and Bridget both married Patrick Sheehan, Bridget first and when she died then Johanna. I've been able to trace those four but I've wondered about the other siblings, Mary(1862),John( January 1872), Joanna(1867), and Thomas( 1877). Did they stay in Ireland or emigrate to the US ? Are there still Barrett family members in the Listowel area ? I have recently found that Honora(1880)and Ellen(1864)did remain in Ireland to raise their families. Ellen married Michael Brick while Honora had two children although a husband is not listed in the census records. Also, I've wondered about the date and place of burial for Edmond and Mary Corridan Barrett ? All of their children were baptized at St. Mary's in Listowel but I don't believe that Edmond and Mary married there. I think that Edward/Edmond died between 1901 and 1911 but I'm not sure about his widow, Mary Corridan Barrett. It looks like she was still alive at the time of the 1911 census. She was living with Honora and her children. Also, I'm not 100% sure of this but it appears that there is a connection between the Barrett family and the Seward family in Ireland. Does any of this sound familiar to any on this list ? Any suggestions as to finding out more about this family ?

I'm looking at some of the 'side' families to my SHEEHAN, WHITE, LEANE of Kilmanihan West,Brosna, Co Kerry. 1901 Census or Brosna, Co Kerry (Kilmanihan West)     Mortimer SHEEHAN 64yo     Ellen (White) SHEEHAN 60yo     Mary BARRETT  'adopted dau'  1 & 1/2yo     John KEANE      'adopted son'   7 & 1/2 yo     Mary O'CONNOR, neice,          19yo   house servant 1911 Census--same location    Ellen SHEEHAN (widow)    Mary BARRETT, boarder,  11yo    Elizabeth BROSNAN , boarder, 6yo Any ideas?  Why 'adopted dau' becomes 'boarder' in the next census?  I understand that children sometimes had to board close to school. A family member? I mention the LEANE name because Kate Leane was Mortimer's 1st wife & I suspect died in or soon after childbirth 12/1870. Haven't found their marriage... Ellen Sheehan's father was Andrew White of Kilmanihan--I can find nothing on him.  White isn't a very Irish name, is it?? Thanx, Molly (in sunny Arizona)

My idea would be to consider the relationship of an "adopted" child as due to a step child situation in which the parent who brought the child intothe house dies. This might lead to a re defintion of the adoptive relationship or at least another way of talkingabout the same person. On Nov 8, 2010, at 6:21 PM, molly placko wrote: > > I'm looking at some of the 'side' families to my SHEEHAN, WHITE, > LEANE of Kilmanihan West,Brosna, Co Kerry. > > 1901 Census or Brosna, Co Kerry (Kilmanihan West) > Mortimer SHEEHAN 64yo > Ellen (White) SHEEHAN 60yo > Mary BARRETT 'adopted dau' 1 & 1/2yo > John KEANE 'adopted son' 7 & 1/2 yo > Mary O'CONNOR, neice, 19yo house servant > > 1911 Census--same location > Ellen SHEEHAN (widow) > Mary BARRETT, boarder, 11yo > Elizabeth BROSNAN , boarder, 6yo > > Any ideas? Why 'adopted dau' becomes 'boarder' in the next > census? I understand that children sometimes had to board close to > school. A family member? > > I mention the LEANE name because Kate Leane was Mortimer's 1st wife > & I suspect died in or soon after childbirth 12/1870. Haven't found > their marriage... > > Ellen Sheehan's father was Andrew White of Kilmanihan--I can find > nothing on him. White isn't a very Irish name, is it?? > > Thanx, > Molly (in sunny Arizona) > > > > > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an > email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with > the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website > to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. > Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I'm especially interested in your musing about White seeming to be an unlikely Irish surname, at least for RC Irish. I've wondered the same thing myself. In the marriage record/register of the Basilica of Notre Dame in Montreal, the priest recorded the name of the mother of my 2nd great-grandmother (Mary Shea Doyle) as Mary White (father was Thomas Shea). And the Irish church records recently put online do include some of what appears to be baptisms of at least some of their children, or at least the parents are shown as Mary White and Thomas Shea. I don't really know much about "branch names," or maybe AKA names, or family nicknames that apparently were used in at least some places at one time to keep straight different branches of large extended families with the same, common surname. I vaguely recall that this was true in the Beara peninsula especially, and I think it was the Sullivans there (and maybe also in the nearby parts of Kerry, like in the Kenmare area) that had one or more "branch names." In fact, the seemingly very numerous Sheas in Kerry might themselves have been likely to resort to branch names. I don't really have any idea where those trying to differentiate a part of a family by using the nickname White might have come up with it, though. Maybe at the time of that branch-naming a part of the family (or just several influential individuals) tended to have blond hair? the children especially were tow-headed? adults got white-headed early? some were albinos? If White really was a branch name/nickname in my 3rd great-grandmother's case, I guess the fact that that surname was given at the time of her daughter's marriage might indicate that at least some continued on with the branch name and just dropped the original name. Does anybody know anything about this? Thanks, Marge ________________________________ From: molly placko <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 7:21:56 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Barrett,Keane,and O'Connor,Borsnan families I'm looking at some of the 'side' families to my SHEEHAN, WHITE, LEANE of Kilmanihan West,Brosna, Co Kerry. 1901 Census or Brosna, Co Kerry (Kilmanihan West) Mortimer SHEEHAN 64yo Ellen (White) SHEEHAN 60yo Mary BARRETT 'adopted dau' 1 & 1/2yo John KEANE 'adopted son' 7 & 1/2 yo Mary O'CONNOR, neice, 19yo house servant 1911 Census--same location Ellen SHEEHAN (widow) Mary BARRETT, boarder, 11yo Elizabeth BROSNAN , boarder, 6yo Any ideas? Why 'adopted dau' becomes 'boarder' in the next census? I understand that children sometimes had to board close to school. A family member? I mention the LEANE name because Kate Leane was Mortimer's 1st wife & I suspect died in or soon after childbirth 12/1870. Haven't found their marriage... Ellen Sheehan's father was Andrew White of Kilmanihan--I can find nothing on him. White isn't a very Irish name, is it?? Thanx, Molly (in sunny Arizona) _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marge, Molly, List, The link explains a bit about the White's. I descend from White's in the Clogheen/Clonmel part of Tipp. In the late 1500's early 1600's 3 White brothers from Clonmel rose to fame in the Catholic church. One was bishop of Lismore, the others founded Irish College in Salamanca and was one of the scholars on Trinity College's original charter. I stumbled across the data in the Ecclesiastical Records of Ireland on google. During the Penal times the bishop hid with cousins in Kilcarroon, Tipp. the exact location of my White's. Funnily enough my White's in Kilcarroon married into the Barry family of Ballyporeen and they were very dark haired/dark eyed as opposed to the blonde White's. Here's the link: http://www.irishabroad.com/yourroots/genealogy/names/anglonorman/part6.asp Helen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of M.Q. Fallaw Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:29 PM To: molly placko; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Barrett,Keane,and O'Connor,Borsnan families I'm especially interested in your musing about White seeming to be an unlikely Irish surname, at least for RC Irish. I've wondered the same thing myself. In the marriage record/register of the Basilica of Notre Dame in Montreal, the priest recorded the name of the mother of my 2nd great-grandmother (Mary Shea Doyle) as Mary White (father was Thomas Shea). And the Irish church records recently put online do include some of what appears to be baptisms of at least some of their children, or at least the parents are shown as Mary White and Thomas Shea. I don't really know much about "branch names," or maybe AKA names, or family nicknames that apparently were used in at least some places at one time to keep straight different branches of large extended families with the same, common surname. I vaguely recall that this was true in the Beara peninsula especially, and I think it was the Sullivans there (and maybe also in the nearby parts of Kerry, like in the Kenmare area) that had one or more "branch names." In fact, the seemingly very numerous Sheas in Kerry might themselves have been likely to resort to branch names. I don't really have any idea where those trying to differentiate a part of a family by using the nickname White might have come up with it, though. Maybe at the time of that branch-naming a part of the family (or just several influential individuals) tended to have blond hair? the children especially were tow-headed? adults got white-headed early? some were albinos? If White really was a branch name/nickname in my 3rd great-grandmother's case, I guess the fact that that surname was given at the time of her daughter's marriage might indicate that at least some continued on with the branch name and just dropped the original name. Does anybody know anything about this? Thanks, Marge ________________________________ From: molly placko <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 7:21:56 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Barrett,Keane,and O'Connor,Borsnan families I'm looking at some of the 'side' families to my SHEEHAN, WHITE, LEANE of Kilmanihan West,Brosna, Co Kerry. 1901 Census or Brosna, Co Kerry (Kilmanihan West) Mortimer SHEEHAN 64yo Ellen (White) SHEEHAN 60yo Mary BARRETT 'adopted dau' 1 & 1/2yo John KEANE 'adopted son' 7 & 1/2 yo Mary O'CONNOR, neice, 19yo house servant 1911 Census--same location Ellen SHEEHAN (widow) Mary BARRETT, boarder, 11yo Elizabeth BROSNAN , boarder, 6yo Any ideas? Why 'adopted dau' becomes 'boarder' in the next census? I understand that children sometimes had to board close to school. A family member? I mention the LEANE name because Kate Leane was Mortimer's 1st wife & I suspect died in or soon after childbirth 12/1870. Haven't found their marriage... Ellen Sheehan's father was Andrew White of Kilmanihan--I can find nothing on him. White isn't a very Irish name, is it?? Thanx, Molly (in sunny Arizona) _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message