You've got to be careful and look at origiinal records as much as possible. Could White be a 'middle ' name like Mary Beth X or could White be carried over from a previous marriage? As well, in some times and places, the ladies actually retained their 'maiden' or famly/father's surname anyway. On Nov 9, 2010, at 6:41 AM, Helen wrote: > Marge, Molly, List, > > The link explains a bit about the White's. I descend from White's > in the > Clogheen/Clonmel part of Tipp. In the late 1500's early 1600's 3 White > brothers from Clonmel rose to fame in the Catholic church. One was > bishop of > Lismore, the others founded Irish College in Salamanca and was one > of the > scholars on Trinity College's original charter. I stumbled across > the data > in the Ecclesiastical Records of Ireland on google. During the > Penal times > the bishop hid with cousins in Kilcarroon, Tipp. the exact location > of my > White's. > > Funnily enough my White's in Kilcarroon married into the Barry > family of > Ballyporeen and they were very dark haired/dark eyed as opposed to the > blonde White's. > > Here's the link: > > http://www.irishabroad.com/yourroots/genealogy/names/anglonorman/ > part6.asp > > Helen > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:irl-kerry- > [email protected]] > On Behalf Of M.Q. Fallaw > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:29 PM > To: molly placko; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Barrett,Keane,and O'Connor,Borsnan families > > I'm especially interested in your musing about White seeming to be an > unlikely > Irish surname, at least for RC Irish. I've wondered the same thing > myself. > In > the marriage record/register of the Basilica of Notre Dame in > Montreal, the > priest recorded the name of the mother of my 2nd great-grandmother > (Mary > Shea > Doyle) as Mary White (father was Thomas Shea). And the Irish church > records > recently put online do include some of what appears to be baptisms > of at > least > some of their children, or at least the parents are shown as Mary > White and > Thomas Shea. > > I don't really know much about "branch names," or maybe AKA names, > or family > > nicknames that apparently were used in at least some places at one > time to > keep > straight different branches of large extended families with the > same, common > > surname. I vaguely recall that this was true in the Beara peninsula > especially, > and I think it was the Sullivans there (and maybe also in the > nearby parts > of > Kerry, like in the Kenmare area) that had one or more "branch > names." In > fact, > the seemingly very numerous Sheas in Kerry might themselves have > been likely > to > resort to branch names. > > > I don't really have any idea where those trying to differentiate a > part of a > > family by using the nickname White might have come up with it, > though. Maybe > at > the time of that branch-naming a part of the family (or just several > influential > individuals) tended to have blond hair? the children especially were > tow-headed? > adults got white-headed early? some were albinos? > > If White really was a branch name/nickname in my 3rd great- > grandmother's > case, I > guess the fact that that surname was given at the time of her > daughter's > marriage might indicate that at least some continued on with the > branch name > and > just dropped the original name. Does anybody know anything about this? > > Thanks, > Marge > > > > > ________________________________ > From: molly placko <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 7:21:56 PM > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Barrett,Keane,and O'Connor,Borsnan families > > > I'm looking at some of the 'side' families to my SHEEHAN, WHITE, > LEANE of > Kilmanihan West,Brosna, Co Kerry. > > 1901 Census or Brosna, Co Kerry (Kilmanihan West) > Mortimer SHEEHAN 64yo > Ellen (White) SHEEHAN 60yo > Mary BARRETT 'adopted dau' 1 & 1/2yo > John KEANE 'adopted son' 7 & 1/2 yo > Mary O'CONNOR, neice, 19yo house servant > > 1911 Census--same location > Ellen SHEEHAN (widow) > Mary BARRETT, boarder, 11yo > Elizabeth BROSNAN , boarder, 6yo > > Any ideas? Why 'adopted dau' becomes 'boarder' in the next census? I > understand that children sometimes had to board close to school. A > family > member? > > I mention the LEANE name because Kate Leane was Mortimer's 1st wife > & I > suspect > died in or soon after childbirth 12/1870. Haven't found their > marriage... > > Ellen Sheehan's father was Andrew White of Kilmanihan--I can find > nothing on > > him. White isn't a very Irish name, is it?? > > Thanx, > Molly (in sunny Arizona) > > > > > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an > email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! 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