Don't forget that before 1829, it was illegal for Catholic priests to even keep records in Ireland. So the record books they kept had to fit in their pockets as they traveled on horseback from place to place. They weren't the large ledger size books we are used to looking at in places where record keeping was legal. In looking at the old Castleisland records, the handwriting was extremely "cramped" and difficult to read, especially, of course, because it was in Latin. Also, religious order priests in the New World and the lands down under were often the missionaries that traveled through mission country. There was no "diocesan headquarters" where they reported their activities. Mission areas were classified by the Church as "Apostolic Vicariates." But the missionary religious order priests might have brought their record books back to a headquarters of their religious order. I remember once eavesdropping on a Native American family on the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, in Marquette, in the Longyear Research Library seeking baptismal records. That is a wonderful library with many fabulous documents. But they were told to seek their records with the Jesuits. But the librarian did not know where those record books might be kept. Anybody have any ideas? Ray Marshall In a very coolish Minneapolis, just having returned from his 50th high school graduation reunion in Duluth. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 3:22 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Church Records vs Civil Records It is my understanding that the Ministers, Parish Priests etc, would travel to the smaller Canadian communities to do the Baptisms. Therefore, many Baptism records would be recorded at one time - each month. They may not have know the actual birth date. Liz in sunny Space Coast Florida

To Ray, Lizzie, Bill etc. There is a possibility those early Jesuit Records may be either at Guelph, ON. or at the Jesuit Headquarters in Toronto, ON. Since the early Jesuits , to my knowledge operated from Ontario, even in Upper Michigan, many of their records may be here. Trying to get records from them, is costly, whether they find them or not. I'm most familiar with their records from the Grey & Bruce County, Ontario area, where as itinerant Priests, they operated from Guelph in the early 1850's until 1857. Then the Basilian Order took over covering the several Missions as well as the Stations. Stations were the larger homes of Catholic residents, to which the Priest would visit about once a month if possible on horseback, or by buggy or cutter in winter, to solemnize Baptisms and Marriages. These stations were used until a Church in the area was built. Their records were then transferred into the registers at their headquarters, St Mary's Church in Owen Sound. The Basilians guarded their registers well. I was allowed to personally research them as they were handled with care, using white gloves. When I started, one Register of Baptisms from 1867 to 1874 was missing. Nineteen years later it was mysteriously discovered on the front counter of the office. Who had it? No one knows. All Registers are kept at the Parish level in that area. I recently was involved with searching those records for Native Canadian Baptisms & Marriages of Indians & Metis,from Cape Croker Indian Reserve, including the marriage of my g-aunt. Two years ago, with the widespread lack of Vocations to the Priesthood, the Basilians gave up Owen Sound and it's Missions to the Diocese of Hamilton. Now no one may check the registers except the church secretary. She is doing a fine job however, at a reasonable price. Records for Waterloo County, Ontario Catholic Parishes covered by the Resurrectionist Order prior to the building of the Parish Church, are at St. Jerome's University Library, University of Waterloo. Andy in Kitchener.

-- Andy, what a gold mine of information you are! Thank you so much. Because I could not find baptismal information at the churches in Ontario in existence during the 1855-1865 period, I had pretty much given up. I now have new avenues to pursue. Thank you so much. Genie Flahie --- Original Message ----- From: "Andy & Norma McAuliffe" <[email protected]> To: "Ray Masrshall" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Where are those baptismal and marriage records? > To Ray, Lizzie, Bill etc. There is a possibility those early Jesuit > Records may be either at Guelph, ON. or at the Jesuit Headquarters in > Toronto, ON. Since the early Jesuits , to my knowledge operated from > Ontario, even in Upper Michigan, many of their records may be here. > Trying > to get records from them, is costly, whether they find them or not. I'm > most familiar with their records from the Grey & Bruce County, Ontario > area, > where as itinerant Priests, they operated from Guelph in the early 1850's > until 1857. Then the Basilian Order took over covering the several > Missions > as well as the Stations. Stations were the larger homes of Catholic > residents, to which the Priest would visit about once a month if possible > on > horseback, or by buggy or cutter in winter, to solemnize Baptisms and > Marriages. These stations were used until a Church in the area was built. > Their records were then transferred into the registers at their > headquarters, St Mary's Church in Owen Sound. > > The Basilians guarded their registers well. I was allowed to personally > research them as they were handled with care, using white gloves. When I > started, one Register of Baptisms from 1867 to 1874 was missing. > Nineteen > years later it was mysteriously discovered on the front counter of the > office. Who had it? No one knows. All Registers are kept at the Parish > level in that area. > I recently was involved with searching those records for Native Canadian > Baptisms & Marriages of Indians & Metis,from Cape Croker Indian Reserve, > including the marriage of my g-aunt. Two years ago, with the widespread > lack of Vocations to the Priesthood, the Basilians gave up Owen Sound and > it's Missions to the Diocese of Hamilton. Now no one may check the > registers except the church secretary. She is doing a fine job however, > at > a reasonable price. > > Records for Waterloo County, Ontario Catholic Parishes covered by the > Resurrectionist Order prior to the building of the Parish Church, are at > St. > Jerome's University Library, University of Waterloo. > > Andy in Kitchener. > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the > Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a > wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is > at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3140 - Release Date: 09/17/10 02:34:00