Hi Ray and Helen, Many thanks for your advice, will give it a go and hopefully get the desired result. bye Helen > Ray Marshall <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Being that his property was part of an estate, I would check with the > Estate, if it still exists. They surely would have kept copies or may > not > have sent their only copy to Dublin. > > > Ray Marshall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: paul and helen [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:10 AM > To: Ray Marshall; Kerry List > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Wills > > > Hello Ray, > > Many thanks for all that valuable information. This chap worked on the > Lansdowne Estate and had some property. I know who the beneficiaries > were, > but was hoping that the will might reveal some more information. No > point > getting an indexed copy though if that is all it will reveal. > > bye Helen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Marshall" <[email protected]> > To: "paul and helen" <[email protected]>; "Kerry List" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:53 PM > Subject: RE: [IRL-KERRY] Wills > > > > > > To make a long story short, most Irish wills were destroyed in the > bombing > > of the Four Courts Building in Dubling during the Irish Civil War in > 1922. > > > > Apparently all wills and many other legal documents had been moved > there > > from the individual counties for safe keeping. > > > > There have been efforts to obtain/make copies of wills from many of > the > > large estates that had not sent their wills, or who had sent copies of > > their > > wills to Dublin. I haven't been up to snuff on this for a long time. > But > > the Irish Genealogical Society International in Minnesota contributed > > financially to an effort to recover some wills. I don't know what the > > status of that project is. > > > > There are many indexes to wills that survived, but they don't have > > anything > > besides maybe the names and dates of the individual parties and the > County > > in which the property was located. > > > > One of those indexes, "Phillimore & Thrift, Indexes to Irish Wills > > 1536-1858 over 30,000 wills" contains reference to dtwo will by two > of > > my > > Reidy ancestors in Meenleitrim, Knocknagoshel, Castleisland Civil > Parish > > in > > the 1750s or so. You can well imagine that I would love to see the > > contents > > of those wills. > > > > Being that they were poor and Catholic, goes without saying, I guess, > I > > can > > think of only two reasons why an ancestor might have filed a will. > > > > 1. Disinherit an eldest son, normally the one who got to inherit the > > farm. > > > > 2. Provide a "dowery" for a son or daughter entering into religious > life. > > > > But that's just a guess. I have never seen a copy of an old Irish > will. > > It > > would be interesting to see a few for poor people. > > > > > > Ray Marshall > > Minneapolis > > Where it is still colder than blazes and we're happy that the Vikings > > didn't > > make it into the NFL finals. We get enough bad publicity because of > our > > weather as it is. > > > > > > > > ====================== > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Courts > > Wikipedia: The Four Courts were seized by Commandant Ned Daly's 1st > > Battalion during the Easter Rising in 1916. They survived the > bombardment > > by > > British artillery that destroyed large parts of the city centre. > > Part of the original Gandon-designed interior decoration of the dome, > lost > > in the 1922 destruction. > > > > On 14 April 1922 they were occupied by Republican forces led by Rory > > O'Connor who opposed the Anglo-Irish Treaty. After several months of a > > stand-off, the new Provisional Government attacked the building to > > dislodge > > the rebels, on the advice of the Commander-in-Chief of the Irish Army, > > Michael Collins. This provoked a week of fighting in Dublin. In the > > process > > of the bombardment the historic building was destroyed. Most > dramatically > > however, when the anti-Treaty contingent were surrendering, the west > wing > > of > > the building was obliterated in a huge explosion, destroying the Irish > > Public Record Office which was located at the rear of the building. It > has > > been alleged that the Republicans deliberately booby-trapped its > priceless > > Irish archives, which were stored in the basement of the Four Courts. > > Nearly > > one thousand years of irreplaceable archives were destroyed by this > act. > > However, the insurgents, who included future Irish Taoiseach Sean > Lemass > > denied this accusation and argued that while they had used the archive > as > > a > > store of their ammunition, they had not deliberately mined it. They > > suggest > > that that the explosion was caused by the accidental detonation of > their > > ammunition store during the fighting. > > > > ============================= > > > > http://www.from-ireland.net/gene/wills.htm > > The original Public Records Office of Ireland was located in the Four > > Courts > > complex and this was destroyed by fire during the 1922 Civil War. The > vast > > majority of records deposited in the PRO at that time were also > destroyed. > > These include: > > > > All original wills of the Consistorial and Prerogative Courts, with > the > > exception of one Consistorial Will and eleven prerogative Wills. > > > > Almost all the Will and Grant Bond Books of the Consistorial and > > Prerogative > > Courts > > > > All the original wills and grants of the Principle and District > Registries > > from 1858 up to 1903/1900 > > and most of the Will and Grant books of the principle registry from > 1858. > > > > The PRO set about replacing as much of its lost material as possible > by > > asking and begin given as many copies of original documents as > possible > > from > > legal firms and individuals, plus notes and research carried out by > > historians and genealogists at the PRO prior to 1922. > > > > Such works include; > > Betham Abstracts > > Gertrude Thrift > > Philip Crossle > > Ignatius Jennings > > Tennison Groves > > Edmund Walsh Kelly > > > > ============================ > > ============================ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of paul and helen > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 1:58 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Wills > > > > > > > > > > ================= > > ================== > > > > Hello > > > > William IRVINE died Kenmare, Kerry 1841, I know he had a will as it > was > > mentioned in a newspaper article in 1862. Would appreciate if anyone > > could > > tell me where I might be able to purchase this Will? > > > > Many thanks Helen > > _______________ > > --------------- > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3398 - Release Date: 01/23/11