Hello, I'm afraid that I cannot contribute any information about your Mary Beirne. I can tell you, if case there is any connection, that my Beirne family (a.k.a. BERN, BERNE) originated in Boyle, Co. Roscommon. My gr-gr-grandmother was Elizabeth Beirne, dauther of Cecelia Hanley (Hanly) and Thomas Beirne. Elizabeth had a brother named Thomas. That era was the late 1700's into the 1800's. Good luck with your hunt. Fran Weeks Dartmouth, MA

Hello all, I am forwarding this message from the Swedish list because I think there may be answers here as to what the best place to have DNA testing done would be. Many different sites have been mentioned as part of this list ongoing discusson. I've looked at the site and feel a lot more confidence in the products they offer. Lois Casson -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [SWEDEN] DNA--my family's choice for DNA tests and our surprising results Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 18:18:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: <gwendaelin@mindspring.com> Reply-To: gwendaelin@mindspring.com, sweden@rootsweb.com To: sweden@rootsweb.com I have been reading your posts about DNA and thought I might add my family's DNA experience to the list. My brother is a doctor and he is very interested in reading and researching about DNA. He choose genebase.com to test our DNA.http://www.genebase.com/. (I know that there are other good sites as well.) You can do a family tree online with it but it is more for yourself than anyone else. My father is pure Swedish. My brother tested, himself, for our mDNA and our Swedish yDNA and our father to get our Swedish grandmother's mDNA. He wanted to see if our grandmother's ancestors were hunter-gatherers or farmers when they first came to Sweden. Our yDNA established us right in the central part of Sweden which was correct for our heritage. They then told us who else matched with our yDNA, especially some famous people such as Henning Mankell and a coworker's ancestor. I knew who he was because I had done her genealogy tree for her on ancestry.com. Because our Swedish surname changed every generation there was very little chance of matching to others according to surname. My brother tested his French wife's brother and found that their yDNA is Minoan. This was quite a surprise but it makes sense since their father came from the lower Atlantic coast of France. The Minoans would have sailed across the Mediterranean Sea and below Spain and Portugal and up the French coast to settle. Their mDNA was typical for females of central Europe. Below is my mDNA story that is very interesting and might encourage someone to get their DNA done. It really proves that one never really knows all the genealogical answers. I thought my mDNA was going to be middle European/German but I could not have been more wrong. It did help for me to know our family history so when we did not get the answer we expected I knew why. My brother went back did the most expensive test for us, after the first initial test, because our mDNA turned out to be very different and more difficult to figure out than most. It is very rare because there are very few matches. When he did the extended test we found out that our maternal ancestors came from the Hebrides Islands off Scotland where the Irish/Scottish monks were doing illuminated writing. This was very strange news because my maternal line goes straight back to Germany. The amazing thing is that my maternal great grandmother came from Schotten, Germany and Schotten means Scotland in German. It was settled, by invitation of Charlemagne, in 1279 by Ionian/Hebrides monks. This means that my maternal ancestors were part of the entourage that traveled with the monks from the Hebrides Islands to Schotten, Germany and they never left the town until my maternal great grandmother left in the 1880's. There were very few matches to us probably because people living on the Hebrides Islands or in the highlands of Scotland are not very busy worrying about their DNA. It is just too bad that we didn't do this before my mother died, a few years ago, because she would have been fascinated with our discovery. Now we have to plan a family trip to the Hebrides and Scotland. Hopefully some of you will want to see if you have any surprise DNA stories and try it yourselves. Gwenda Elin Gustafaon Malnati

Hi Helen, I have sent an email to Mary Audley, City Clerk in Lynn, I have asked her as a favour to check who Margaret Josephine's mother was and how I can order her birth certificate. Thank you for your very kind help Brendan ---------------------------------------- From: "Helen" <hdipilato@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 3:49 PM To: brendan@researchireland.com Subject: RE: [IRL-KERRY] Mary Beirne Hi Brendan, I'd try the city of Lynn first, it may be quicker. I'm sure you know this but the birth for Mary Josephine is volume 441, page 150. Although that's a state index the city clerk will probably know just where to look. I pay $14.00 for a BMD from the city of Worcester as opposed to $50 from the state. On the other hand the sum of money to be inherited is significant, a $50 fee is nothing compared to the worth of the entire estate! To other non- MA residents on the list looking for BMD's it is always cheaper to go the local root. Some of the smaller towns charge as little as $7. Helen From: brendan@researchireland.com [mailto:brendan@researchireland.com] Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:06 AM To: Helen Cc: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [IRL-KERRY] Mary Beirne Hi Helen, I know Mary Beirne married a Cunningham, I found an index with her birth date 1st May 1906, mother Susan and correct arrival date in Boston, the record is an index to her alien file held in Kentucky, Mary had a sister Margaret Josephine, there is a birth record 1929 in Lynn for a Margaret Josephine Cunningham. Mary was born 1st May 1905 The children of Mary or their issue are the sole entitled relatives to an estate £180,000 Brendan _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I did not realize when I asked for opinions on the various DNA tests that the question would evoke such strong feelings on the part of some of the readers. But, I am not sorry because I, and perhaps many others, have receive some valuable information with which to base our decisions. I don't believe that there is a need to be negative to any of them and was a bit surprised at the usually courteous group. I thank all of you and hope that you will continue to contribute pertinent information on the topic. I found the last entry from Lois most interesting. Thank you. Jeanne from CA Researching in Kerry: Lynch, Manning Kevane, Dunleavy in Ventry On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Lois Casson <lcasson@cox.net> wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am forwarding this message from the Swedish list because I think there > may be answers here as to what the best place to have DNA testing done > would be. Many different sites have been mentioned as part of this list > ongoing discusson. I've looked at the site and feel a lot more > confidence in the products they offer. > > Lois Casson > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [SWEDEN] DNA--my family's choice for DNA tests and our > surprising results > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 18:18:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > From: <gwendaelin@mindspring.com> > Reply-To: gwendaelin@mindspring.com, sweden@rootsweb.com > To: sweden@rootsweb.com > > > I have been reading your posts about DNA and thought I might add my > family's DNA experience to the list. > > My brother is a doctor and he is very interested in reading and > researching about DNA. He choose genebase.com to test our DNA. > http://www.genebase.com/. (I know that there are other good sites as > well.) You can do a family tree online with it but it is more for yourself > than anyone else. My father is pure Swedish. My brother tested, himself, > for our mDNA and our Swedish yDNA and our father to get our Swedish > grandmother's mDNA. He wanted to see if our grandmother's ancestors were > hunter-gatherers or farmers when they first came to Sweden. Our yDNA > established us right in the central part of Sweden which was correct for > our heritage. They then told us who else matched with our yDNA, especially > some famous people such as Henning Mankell and a coworker's ancestor. I > knew who he was because I had done her genealogy tree for her on > ancestry.com. Because our Swedish surname changed every generation there > was very little chance of matching to others according to surname. > > My brother tested his French wife's brother and found that their yDNA is > Minoan. This was quite a surprise but it makes sense since their father > came from the lower Atlantic coast of France. The Minoans would have sailed > across the Mediterranean Sea and below Spain and Portugal and up the French > coast to settle. Their mDNA was typical for females of central Europe. > > Below is my mDNA story that is very interesting and might encourage > someone to get their DNA done. It really proves that one never really > knows all the genealogical answers. I thought my mDNA was going to be > middle European/German but I could not have been more wrong. It did help > for me to know our family history so when we did not get the answer we > expected I knew why. > > My brother went back did the most expensive test for us, after the first > initial test, because our mDNA turned out to be very different and more > difficult to figure out than most. It is very rare because there are very > few matches. When he did the extended test we found out that our maternal > ancestors came from the Hebrides Islands off Scotland where the > Irish/Scottish monks were doing illuminated writing. This was very strange > news because my maternal line goes straight back to Germany. The amazing > thing is that my maternal great grandmother came from Schotten, Germany and > Schotten means Scotland in German. It was settled, by invitation of > Charlemagne, in 1279 by Ionian/Hebrides monks. This means that my maternal > ancestors were part of the entourage that traveled with the monks from the > Hebrides Islands to Schotten, Germany and they never left the town until my > maternal great grandmother left in the 1880's. There were very few matches > to us probably because people livi! > ng on the Hebrides Islands or in the highlands of Scotland are not very > busy worrying about their DNA. It is just too bad that we didn't do this > before my mother died, a few years ago, because she would have been > fascinated with our discovery. Now we have to plan a family trip to the > Hebrides and Scotland. > > Hopefully some of you will want to see if you have any surprise DNA > stories and try it yourselves. Gwenda Elin Gustafaon Malnati > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the > Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a > wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is > at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Helen, I know Mary Beirne married a Cunningham, I found an index with her birth date 1st May 1906, mother Susan and correct arrival date in Boston, the record is an index to her alien file held in Kentucky, Mary had a sister Margaret Josephine, there is a birth record 1929 in Lynn for a Margaret Josephine Cunningham. Mary was born 1st May 1905 The children of Mary or their issue are the sole entitled relatives to an estate £180,000 Brendan ---------------------------------------- From: "Helen" <hdipilato@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 2:47 PM To: brendan@researchireland.com, irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [IRL-KERRY] Mary Beirne Brendan, Here's the link for all MA vitals after 1921. http://www.mass.gov/eohhs/gov/departments/dph/programs/health-stats/vitals/o btaining-certified-copies-of-vital-records.html FYI if you happen to know an exact BMD the records can be obtained directly from any MA city/town hall much cheaper than ordering from the state. You are charged extra if they have to do your research. Ancestry.com just added new MA vital records index for more current records, you can get a page and volume number so when ordering directly from the city/town you'd save their research charge. Massachusetts city/town libraries also offer an "ask the librarian" service. You can obtain obituaries, wedding announcements etc. from any of the libraries if you have an exact date and place. MA residents are usually no charge. The Worcester Public Library charges $5.00 for the service for non- state residents for newspaper articles. Good luck, Helen -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of brendan@researchireland.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 8:05 AM To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Mary Beirne Hello all, I am working on a case at the moment, Mary Beirne was born in Roscommon 1st May 1905, she emigrated through Boston 1926. I have her full family in Ireland, she lived in Lynn, Essex, MA, she turns up in Naturalisation records after 1944 as Mary Cunningham, I believe she had a daughter Margaret Josephine Cunningham 1929 in Lynn. I can identify her in the 1940 census not in the 1930 census, I believe her husband was John, she turns up in MA directories living in 62, Neptune, I believe with her widowed mother in law Jean husband of William H How do I get a marriage record for her or a birth record for her child Margaret J Any help would be much appreciated. Brendan _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, I am working on a case at the moment, Mary Beirne was born in Roscommon 1st May 1905, she emigrated through Boston 1926. I have her full family in Ireland, she lived in Lynn, Essex, MA, she turns up in Naturalisation records after 1944 as Mary Cunningham, I believe she had a daughter Margaret Josephine Cunningham 1929 in Lynn. I can identify her in the 1940 census not in the 1930 census, I believe her husband was John, she turns up in MA directories living in 62, Neptune, I believe with her widowed mother in law Jean husband of William H How do I get a marriage record for her or a birth record for her child Margaret J Any help would be much appreciated. Brendan

I would like to thank all those who replied to my query - I really put it up to try and engender some discussion about the multitude who did NOT appear on these lists, just take a look on the data from the National Archives or askaboutireland.ie and compare the numbers with those who appear in the Parish records for the same place at the same time. While I realise that both these items are not to be considered as substitutes for a census, they do paint an interesting picture of a place - as much for the numbers left off as anything else. And I discovered from the National Archive information on the Tithes, that a person would only be listed if they had more that 5 acres of land, which I didn't know before. But I had been told of the practise of family members farming collectively, but of course not appearing anywhere in the existing records for a particular place. I had been watching a couple of repeats of " Who Do You Think You Are " from the BBC - and the US versions, and was getting very envious of the amount of data available to those outside Ireland, and wishing that we could have a little more to help break down some extremely giant brick walls, in pretty close relatives, i.e. great grandparents. Not asking to get back to the 15th century ( as my French son in law has, lucky thing ). Mary

Hi Brendan, I’d try the city of Lynn first, it may be quicker. I’m sure you know this but the birth for Mary Josephine is volume 441, page 150. Although that’s a state index the city clerk will probably know just where to look. I pay $14.00 for a BMD from the city of Worcester as opposed to $50 from the state. On the other hand the sum of money to be inherited is significant, a $50 fee is nothing compared to the worth of the entire estate! To other non- MA residents on the list looking for BMD’s it is always cheaper to go the local root. Some of the smaller towns charge as little as $7. Helen From: brendan@researchireland.com [mailto:brendan@researchireland.com] Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:06 AM To: Helen Cc: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [IRL-KERRY] Mary Beirne Hi Helen, I know Mary Beirne married a Cunningham, I found an index with her birth date 1st May 1906, mother Susan and correct arrival date in Boston, the record is an index to her alien file held in Kentucky, Mary had a sister Margaret Josephine, there is a birth record 1929 in Lynn for a Margaret Josephine Cunningham. Mary was born 1st May 1905 The children of Mary or their issue are the sole entitled relatives to an estate £180,000 Brendan _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brendan, Here's the link for all MA vitals after 1921. http://www.mass.gov/eohhs/gov/departments/dph/programs/health-stats/vitals/o btaining-certified-copies-of-vital-records.html FYI if you happen to know an exact BMD the records can be obtained directly from any MA city/town hall much cheaper than ordering from the state. You are charged extra if they have to do your research. Ancestry.com just added new MA vital records index for more current records, you can get a page and volume number so when ordering directly from the city/town you'd save their research charge. Massachusetts city/town libraries also offer an "ask the librarian" service. You can obtain obituaries, wedding announcements etc. from any of the libraries if you have an exact date and place. MA residents are usually no charge. The Worcester Public Library charges $5.00 for the service for non- state residents for newspaper articles. Good luck, Helen -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of brendan@researchireland.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 8:05 AM To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Mary Beirne Hello all, I am working on a case at the moment, Mary Beirne was born in Roscommon 1st May 1905, she emigrated through Boston 1926. I have her full family in Ireland, she lived in Lynn, Essex, MA, she turns up in Naturalisation records after 1944 as Mary Cunningham, I believe she had a daughter Margaret Josephine Cunningham 1929 in Lynn. I can identify her in the 1940 census not in the 1930 census, I believe her husband was John, she turns up in MA directories living in 62, Neptune, I believe with her widowed mother in law Jean husband of William H How do I get a marriage record for her or a birth record for her child Margaret J Any help would be much appreciated. Brendan _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, I agree. BUT . . . I have personally really appreciated the input from everyone! Perhaps a list is needed to discuss and evaluate these new and emerging tools. Even $99 is a lot for me to drop on faulty test results. Diane O'ConnorTiconderoga, NY USA From: irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 171 To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 01:00:02 -0600 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: wdromanski@hotmail.com To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:36:39 +0000 Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Those who know the least know it the loudest. The DNA Discussion. Let's love the DNA discussion to a more appropriate place, unless, of course, it has particular relevance to County Kerry genealogy. William D Romanski --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: bjmahon31@verizon.net To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:14:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 170 I also had problems with Ancestry DNA. They show a map but used my family tree to pinpoint the locations. They also gave me many matches. None of them had any of my family names. I even contacted several of them and they were also at a loss as to how we were connected. My DNA site is now down (has been since yesterday afternoon) so cannot access any new information. Waste of money. -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 3:00 AM To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 170 Today's Topics: 1. The continuing Ancestry DNA (Lois Casson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:10:20 -0500 From: Lois Casson <lcasson@cox.net> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] The continuing Ancestry DNA To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5260A69C.30908@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Okay, this one is hard to believe. Last week Ancestry told me I was 97% Scandinavian, 3% unknown. This week AncestryDNA made a big announcement that it has "evolved" and everyone gets new information. Today I am 36% Great Britain (still bogus), 25% Swedish, 23% Western European (also off), 5% Irish and 11% trace (made up of 5% Iberian Peninsula, 5% Eastern European, <1% European Jew). If they evolve enough they may get it right. I can't wait to see what FamilyTreeDNA comes up with. As far as I am concerned, Ancestry has absolutely no credibility. They gave me results in 3 weeks that they told me would take 6-8 and then change everyone's a week later. Lo in Flo ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 170 ***************************************** --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: marymcs@talktalk.net CC: irl-wexford@rootsweb.com; irl-cork@rootsweb.com To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 00:02:55 +0100 Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Names not appearing in 19th C documents I've been chewing over the non appearance of names in the Tithe Lists and the Griffiths. Would I be correct in thinking that a name would ONLY be recorded if that person held a lease on the land that he / rarely she lived and worked on? In other words, the head of the household / family's name would appear, but the sons who were working and living in the same place, would not appear. I am minded of the instructions given to the census data compilers about farmers and their children who would appear as ' farmer's sons and daughter ' - but only if living in the same house. If they were living next door, say married with their own family, yet working on the family farm, they would not be termed ' farmer's sons ' but agricultural labourers. Might a similar situation account for names not appearing in the Tithes and Griffiths - even when we know for certain that they were living in a particular town land and parish? A puzzled Mary

The DNA was used to find Kerry ancestors. My great grandfather Philip Mahony came from County Kerry. I have been unable to find his parents. Were they from Kerry or Cork? I thought DNA would help. Apparently William Romansky knows of a better way. On 10/19/13, irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Those who know the least know it the loudest. The DNA Discussion. (William Romanski) 2. Re: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 170 (Barbara Mahoney) 3. Names not appearing in 19th C documents (Mary Simpson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:36:39 +0000 From: William Romanski <[1]wdromanski@hotmail.com> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Those who know the least know it the loudest. The DNA Discussion. To: "[2]irl-kerry@rootsweb.com" <[3]irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BLU171-W1293DE11[4]B48496C61A24FB3D2060@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Let's love the DNA discussion to a more appropriate place, unless, of course, it has particular relevance to County Kerry genealogy. William D Romanski ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:14:34 -0400 From: "Barbara Mahoney" <[5]bjmahon31@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 170 To: <[6]irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001201cecc0c$5fbe1650$1f3a42f0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I also had problems with Ancestry DNA. They show a map but used my family tree to pinpoint the locations. They also gave me many matches. None of them had any of my family names. I even contacted several of them and they were also at a loss as to how we were connected. My DNA site is now down (has been since yesterday afternoon) so cannot access any new information. Waste of money. -----Original Message----- From: [7]irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [[8]mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of [9]irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 3:00 AM To: [10]irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 170 Today's Topics: 1. The continuing Ancestry DNA (Lois Casson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:10:20 -0500 From: Lois Casson <[11]lcasson@cox.net> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] The continuing Ancestry DNA To: [12]irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <[13]5260A69C.30908@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Okay, this one is hard to believe. Last week Ancestry told me I was 97% Scandinavian, 3% unknown. This week AncestryDNA made a big announcement that it has "evolved" and everyone gets new information. Today I am 36% Great Britain (still bogus), 25% Swedish, 23% Western European (also off), 5% Irish and 11% trace (made up of 5% Iberian Peninsula, 5% Eastern European, <1% European Jew). If they evolve enough they may get it right. I can't wait to see what FamilyTreeDNA comes up with. As far as I am concerned, Ancestry has absolutely no credibility. They gave me results in 3 weeks that they told me would take 6-8 and then change everyone's a week later. Lo in Flo ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [14]IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 170 ***************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 00:02:55 +0100 From: Mary Simpson <[15]marymcs@talktalk.net> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Names not appearing in 19th C documents To: "[16]irl-kerry@rootsweb.com" <[17]irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Cc: "[18]irl-wexford@rootsweb.com" <[19]irl-wexford@rootsweb.com>, "[20]irl-cork@rootsweb.com" <[21]irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <3F1E56C3-F146-4B[22]06-B4B3-67C89C280DE9@talktalk.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been chewing over the non appearance of names in the Tithe Lists and the Griffiths. Would I be correct in thinking that a name would ONLY be recorded if that person held a lease on the land that he / rarely she lived and worked on? In other words, the head of the household / family's name would appear, but the sons who were working and living in the same place, would not appear. I am minded of the instructions given to the census data compilers about farmers and their children who would appear as ' farmer's sons and daughter ' - but only if living in the same house. If they were living next door, say married with their own family, yet working on the family farm, they would not be termed ' farmer's sons ' but agricultural labourers. Might a similar situation account for names not appearing in the Tithes and Griffiths - even when we know for certain that they were living in a particular town land and parish? A puzzled Mary ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. 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William, I believe that the DNA discussion relates in part to County Kerry. For those of us that have done DNA testing it is important to understand the results in order to help find our family, some of which are in County Kerry, and some may be elsewhere, but to me it is all related. Liz just home from a wonderful ships reunion in Myrtle Beach, S.C. In a message dated 10/19/2013 3:02:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com writes: Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:36:39 +0000 From: William Romanski <wdromanski@hotmail.com> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Those who know the least know it the loudest. The DNA Discussion. To: "irl-kerry@rootsweb.com" <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BLU171-W1293DE11B48496C61A24FB3D2060@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Let's love the DNA discussion to a more appropriate place, unless, of course, it has particular relevance to County Kerry genealogy. William D Romanski

I've been chewing over the non appearance of names in the Tithe Lists and the Griffiths. Would I be correct in thinking that a name would ONLY be recorded if that person held a lease on the land that he / rarely she lived and worked on? In other words, the head of the household / family's name would appear, but the sons who were working and living in the same place, would not appear. I am minded of the instructions given to the census data compilers about farmers and their children who would appear as ' farmer's sons and daughter ' - but only if living in the same house. If they were living next door, say married with their own family, yet working on the family farm, they would not be termed ' farmer's sons ' but agricultural labourers. Might a similar situation account for names not appearing in the Tithes and Griffiths - even when we know for certain that they were living in a particular town land and parish? A puzzled Mary

Let's love the DNA discussion to a more appropriate place, unless, of course, it has particular relevance to County Kerry genealogy. William D Romanski

I also had problems with Ancestry DNA. They show a map but used my family tree to pinpoint the locations. They also gave me many matches. None of them had any of my family names. I even contacted several of them and they were also at a loss as to how we were connected. My DNA site is now down (has been since yesterday afternoon) so cannot access any new information. Waste of money. -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 3:00 AM To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 170 Today's Topics: 1. The continuing Ancestry DNA (Lois Casson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:10:20 -0500 From: Lois Casson <lcasson@cox.net> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] The continuing Ancestry DNA To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5260A69C.30908@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Okay, this one is hard to believe. Last week Ancestry told me I was 97% Scandinavian, 3% unknown. This week AncestryDNA made a big announcement that it has "evolved" and everyone gets new information. Today I am 36% Great Britain (still bogus), 25% Swedish, 23% Western European (also off), 5% Irish and 11% trace (made up of 5% Iberian Peninsula, 5% Eastern European, <1% European Jew). If they evolve enough they may get it right. I can't wait to see what FamilyTreeDNA comes up with. As far as I am concerned, Ancestry has absolutely no credibility. They gave me results in 3 weeks that they told me would take 6-8 and then change everyone's a week later. Lo in Flo ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 170 *****************************************

Okay, this one is hard to believe. Last week Ancestry told me I was 97% Scandinavian, 3% unknown. This week AncestryDNA made a big announcement that it has "evolved" and everyone gets new information. Today I am 36% Great Britain (still bogus), 25% Swedish, 23% Western European (also off), 5% Irish and 11% trace (made up of 5% Iberian Peninsula, 5% Eastern European, <1% European Jew). If they evolve enough they may get it right. I can't wait to see what FamilyTreeDNA comes up with. As far as I am concerned, Ancestry has absolutely no credibility. They gave me results in 3 weeks that they told me would take 6-8 and then change everyone's a week later. Lo in Flo

Looking for info on these family names from late 1700's to 1850. Lot's of Ashe info available - trying to fit my line into it. GGrandmother Elizabeth Ashe - orn 1845 d of Patrick Ashe/ Ellen Griffin. Patrick Ashe b around 1813 to James Ashe/Elizabeth Graham - were from Reenbeg. Other Graham's in the area Daniel - Elizabeth ASHE married Jeremiah O'Connor in 1861. He was the son of Jeremiah and Margaret Pierce.   Beth

I have taken the Y-DNA, mtDNA and Autosomal DNA tests from FamilytreeDNA. I have also taken the Autosomal DNA test from Ancestry.com (AncestryDNA). Y-DNA and mtDNA tests are very limited about what they can tell you about genealogy or ethnicity. They are interesting though. The Autosomal DNA tests have the potential to give you a broader look at both of those points. Both companies have their merits and expertise, but if your primary use for learning about your (statistically based) ethnicity, it doesn't matter which company you use. Furthermore, you have to be patient because population results are changing all the time. However, if you are looking for clues to relationships with distant branches (or even closer branches) of your documented genealogical tree, AncestryDNA is the way to go. It may be oversimplifying, but if one if testing with Ancestry, they are interested in genealogy. I've found that matches at FamilytreeDNA rarely accompany a family tree or any type of identifying information about the ancestry of the individual who took the test. For the researcher, this is no good. Too much to sift through with no clues. The AncestryDNA matches, though, most often have relevant trees attached to the results. I've confirmed several relationships and some of my other theories of ancestry have gained some credulity from the AncestryDNA results. This only works because people have taken the test and offered their trees for viewing. So I encourage everyone to take the test and upload a tree. Especially if you've got Kerry roots! Population results are a different story. FamilytreeDNA suggests that I am 100% Orcadian/British Isles. Although it is clear to me that this region is where many of my ancestors came from, it leaves out some pretty big chucks. This, of course, was disappointing. But it should be remembered that ethnincity predicted by DNA is not a cut and dried thing. It is based on statistical examinations of different populations across the planet. As these results are re-interpreted and new results emerge, this all changes. I haven't seen this happen at FamilytreeDNA yet, but AncestryDNA seems to be working hard. When I first took the AncestryDNA test, my results show that I am 88% British Isles 12% Finnish/Volga. This matches the documentation much better but I had hoped for some resolution. And a couple of weeks ago I got it. I was one of the lucky ones who got the preview of the new ethnicity results for AncestryDNA. Populations include: Ireland, Europe East, Great Britain, Scandinavia, Finnish/Northern Russia. I took the time to examine my ancestry from what I know, going back 7 generations (128 people) it was nice to see that the results were spot on. What value the results hold to you is a function of what you want to learn, what you know, and what is known about populations. All three will change indefinitely, so be patient and vigilant. William D Romanski

I would be interested in hearing some others concerning their experiences with the new Ancestry DNA test and whether they think it is worth it, especially females.

Hi Heather, The one big clue is that he was a miner, there were copper mines in Alihies on the Beara Peninsula. We used to have a person on this list who was an expert on mining in Ireland and Wales, he wrote a book on it. The small ships used to deliver coal to Castletownbere from Wales, the agents from the mines in Wales used to come over to Beara recruiting, the miners used to get free passage on the coal ships to act as ballast. A lot of the miners who lived in Beara were the same miners who ended up leaving Wales and emigrating to the US. Riobaird O'Dwyer is the world expert on the Sullivan's from Beara, he has donated all his research to Boston University. The Sullivans all had nicknames, when you discover the nickname you discover your Sullivans. Somewhere online is a 1821 parish census for the area. Brendan On 14 Oct 2013, at 14:23, Heather Hundt wrote: > Hello Peter, > > Thanks for the advice! On the Wales 1911 census both Jeremiah and > Hanora had Kenmare listed as birthplace, and early on in my search I > did focus on the town of Kenmare. But after finding no good > matches, I'm thinking that it could be the parish of Kenmare, with > its many townlands, that they may be referring to in the 1911 > Census. Also, I have regularly been checking the Irish parishes > website trying different combinations of parents names and birth > years to see if anything looks promising. while I have several > possibilities for each it's hard to say which one it might be > without a townland. > > Thank again, > -Heather > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email > to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with > the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to > reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her > contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message