Heather Possibly Rossacoosane in Templenoe Civil parish Dunkerron South Barony Clare On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Heather Hundt <hhundt@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hello All, > > I've been trying to locate the townland or placename of Roscossane, which > may either be located in the Tuosist or Kenmare Parish (at least according > to the Irish Genealogy website) . I've looked at maps for both parishes > but neither this name nor anything close to sounding like this name is > found on any of the maps. Does anyone have any idea where this townland > may be located or what area the website may be alluding to? > > Thanks a Bunch! > -Heather Hundt > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the > Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a > wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is > at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi ladies, I just stumbled on this site below last week, has been SO helpful to me: Census of Ireland 1871: Alphabetical index to Townlands and Towns of Ireland http://eppi.dippam.ac.uk/documents/16380/eppi_pages/434564 You can scroll through the entire "R" townlands and see if anything else sounds similar but Rossacoosane is listed there just as Clare said. Barbie McGrath Brueski Tracing in Kerry: Shea, Hallisy, Sugrue, Connor -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Clare Tuohy Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 1:17 PM To: Heather Hundt Cc: beara@rootsweb.com; IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Location of Roscossane Heather Possibly Rossacoosane in Templenoe Civil parish Dunkerron South Barony Clare On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Heather Hundt <hhundt@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hello All, > > I've been trying to locate the townland or placename of Roscossane, which > may either be located in the Tuosist or Kenmare Parish (at least according > to the Irish Genealogy website) . I've looked at maps for both parishes > but neither this name nor anything close to sounding like this name is > found on any of the maps. Does anyone have any idea where this townland > may be located or what area the website may be alluding to? > > Thanks a Bunch! > -Heather Hundt > _______________

Excellent! This is a great list. I'm always having problems trying to figure out the correct translation for various townlands. I often miss the obvious. Everyone's help is much appreciated! -Heather -----Original Message----- >From: "Brueski, Barbara" <bbrueski@mbi-inc.com> >Sent: Nov 1, 2013 12:35 PM >To: Clare Tuohy <clare.tuohy@gmail.com>, Heather Hundt <hhundt@earthlink.net> >Cc: beara@rootsweb.com, IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com >Subject: Location of Roscossane - Alphabetical Index to Townlands and Towns of Ireland > >Hi ladies, I just stumbled on this site below last week, has been SO >helpful to me: > >Census of Ireland 1871: Alphabetical index to Townlands and Towns of >Ireland >http://eppi.dippam.ac.uk/documents/16380/eppi_pages/434564 > >You can scroll through the entire "R" townlands and see if anything else >sounds similar but Rossacoosane is listed there just as Clare said. > >Barbie McGrath Brueski >Tracing in Kerry: Shea, Hallisy, Sugrue, Connor > >-----Original Message----- >From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Clare Tuohy >Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 1:17 PM >To: Heather Hundt >Cc: beara@rootsweb.com; IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Location of Roscossane > >Heather >Possibly Rossacoosane in Templenoe Civil parish Dunkerron South Barony > >Clare > > >On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Heather Hundt <hhundt@earthlink.net> >wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> I've been trying to locate the townland or placename of Roscossane, >which >> may either be located in the Tuosist or Kenmare Parish (at least >according >> to the Irish Genealogy website) . I've looked at maps for both >parishes >> but neither this name nor anything close to sounding like this name is >> found on any of the maps. Does anyone have any idea where this >townland >> may be located or what area the website may be alluding to? >> >> Thanks a Bunch! >> -Heather Hundt >> _______________ >

Hello All, I've been trying to locate the townland or placename of Roscossane, which may either be located in the Tuosist or Kenmare Parish (at least according to the Irish Genealogy website) . I've looked at maps for both parishes but neither this name nor anything close to sounding like this name is found on any of the maps. Does anyone have any idea where this townland may be located or what area the website may be alluding to? Thanks a Bunch! -Heather Hundt

A little late on the subject of baptism, but here is a story. My grandmother, Julia Dennehey Coakley, widowed in 1914; worked as a licensed practical nurse in Bridgeport CT area. She worked for upper middle class families, not of the Catholic faith. She loved those little ones, and to prevent them from going to hell, as was believed back then in USA, she would baptize the babes. It didn't matter the faith or lack thereof. There are more catholics in CT than there should be --sort of like democrats. On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Ray Marshall <ray.marshall@gmail.com>wrote: > > Actually, Mary, I once asked a professional genealogist how it is that if > someone is elected President of the US and claims to have Irish ancestry, > within three months there will be an article posted that gives the exact > location of the family in Ireland. Without fail. > > The professional genealogists said, that they get as close as they can and > just "assume." It's great PR for Ireland and for family history. > > With respect to baptismal records, I believe that baptisms often weren't > performed in the Church. The parish priest would go circuit riding every > so > often and carry the baptismal register in his pocket, especially during the > times when it was illegal for Catholics to keep records, in theory, before > 1829 or so. He would stop off at every home in the parish and baptize all > the new arrivals. I suppose sometimes the books got lost or burned. > > And when you do find a baptismal record, often the writing is so small and > cramped, in Latin of course, that it is almost impossible to read. > > I haven't found any baptisms of my people in Ireland at all. > > > Ray Marshall > Bright and Sunny today in Minneapolis. But not too humind. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Simpson [mailto:marymcs@talktalk.net] > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 5:40 PM > To: ray.marshall@gmail.com > Cc: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com; irl-cork@rootsweb.com > Subject: Knowing " where they were all from " > > > Hello Ray, > > despite always knowing where our great grandmama Catherine Callaghan, ( > whose father was Jerry Callaghan ) came from in Cork - down to the actual > fields - I STILL cannot find her baptismal record , which should be > Ballinhassig about 1840 ... and we have the names of brothers & sisters, > nephews & nieces etc. > > so perhaps it's all academic, and those who don't know what part of Ireland > their family came from can adopt whatever place they most fancy! It would > be a lot less hassle. At least the US, Australian and New Zealand listers > have the possible option of searching ship's registers and port documents, > something that British listers can only envy, as their families came with > no > paper trail to search at all. > > Mary= > > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the > Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a > wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is > at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Unfortunately Lily has left the states and is back in England before the 1880 census, and Margaretta is nowhere to be found. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 03:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 179 Today's Topics: 1. Re: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 177 (Maureen Gamble) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:31:56 -0600 From: Maureen Gamble <mgamble524@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 177 To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1D43A5F3-618F-4A84-81E9-3DE5BF56DFDC@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Re: lost child If the original Thomas was from Ireland, then I can give you some samples from my own family. Nearly every Catholic family named their first daughter Mary. Elizabeth was also a family name and all of my Elizabeths went by Lilly, Lil, Lizzie and Lillith. Children of Catholics often adopted using their confirmation name in place of their baptismal names. Your Lilly could have gone by Mary, Maggie, Maura, Mollie, Molly, or Mimi, any of the Elizabeth nicknames or by a sacramental name. I would check the 1880s census and the 1900 census for how she is listed there. Accurate first names never seemed to be requisite then. Just a thought. On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:00 AM, irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Lost one child (Patricia Jensen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:46:17 +1100 > From: Patricia Jensen <reachpatricia@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Lost one child > To: Irl-KERRY-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <9AFD50C3-1C1B-403A-956D-F0D47803243E@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I wonder could any one on the list help me find one of my grandfathers daughter's > Story is Thomas Jennings Fawkner arrived into Portland Maine 20 March 1863 aged 21 on Norwegian b 1841 Clovelly Devon > Some two years later he married Annie McBride from Ireland? married in Portland > > They had two daughters" Lilly" Mary Elizabeth Fawkner b 1872 all records for her state b Boston 1872 as yet no birth found?? > Then in 1875 Annie gave birth to another daughter Margaretta b 3 May 1875 in Portland Maine > I have this birth from Family Search > While in USA Thomas Fawkner became a deep sea diver before that a sea man > By 1878 Lilly {Mary E] is back in Falmouth Cornwall with Thomas parents Matthew a Coast Guard and Elizabeth Jennings Fawkner > Grand parents in FAlmouth died about two years later > > In next 5 years Lilly also arrives into Sydney Australia where her father Thomas had arrived 1879 after I presume going back to England with Lilly > I have never been able to get a birth certificate for" Lilly" Mary Elizabeth b Boston > > But I cannot really put the other girl Margaretta to bed as I can find nothing on her after her birth date > except with mother and sister entering entering Boston on ship "China" where Margaretta is listed as infant > > Where they had been I do not know Could have just come from Maine to Boston > > I have had a lot of help over the years from friend "The other Cheryl" on this list > Cheryl found records in Boston that Annie gave birth to a still born son James in Boston 1877 > > I do not know if mother Annie also died then or what happened to Margaretta Fawkner > On these records of the death of James a lot of children were dying at that time in Boston seemed like some thing was raging then > > So do not know if Margaretta died then or what happened to her > The child James is buried on Lovelly's Island in Boston Harbour all I can think is perhaps Tom was doing work there as a diver at that time > But what happened to Margaretta??Mother Annie McBride Fawkner > > Thank you all for reading this long long tale > Trish in Sydney where bush fires are burning in the Blue Mountains and on the Central Coast above Sydney > So many have lost their homes.Heart breaking > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to > IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 177 > ***************************************** ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. 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I wonder could any one on the list help me find one of my grandfathers daughter's Story is Thomas Jennings Fawkner arrived into Portland Maine 20 March 1863 aged 21 on Norwegian b 1841 Clovelly Devon Some two years later he married Annie McBride from Ireland? married in Portland They had two daughters" Lilly" Mary Elizabeth Fawkner b 1872 all records for her state b Boston 1872 as yet no birth found?? Then in 1875 Annie gave birth to another daughter Margaretta b 3 May 1875 in Portland Maine I have this birth from Family Search While in USA Thomas Fawkner became a deep sea diver before that a sea man By 1878 Lilly {Mary E] is back in Falmouth Cornwall with Thomas parents Matthew a Coast Guard and Elizabeth Jennings Fawkner Grand parents in FAlmouth died about two years later In next 5 years Lilly also arrives into Sydney Australia where her father Thomas had arrived 1879 after I presume going back to England with Lilly I have never been able to get a birth certificate for" Lilly" Mary Elizabeth b Boston But I cannot really put the other girl Margaretta to bed as I can find nothing on her after her birth date except with mother and sister entering entering Boston on ship "China" where Margaretta is listed as infant Where they had been I do not know Could have just come from Maine to Boston I have had a lot of help over the years from friend "The other Cheryl" on this list Cheryl found records in Boston that Annie gave birth to a still born son James in Boston 1877 I do not know if mother Annie also died then or what happened to Margaretta Fawkner On these records of the death of James a lot of children were dying at that time in Boston seemed like some thing was raging then So do not know if Margaretta died then or what happened to her The child James is buried on Lovelly's Island in Boston Harbour all I can think is perhaps Tom was doing work there as a diver at that time But what happened to Margaretta??Mother Annie McBride Fawkner Thank you all for reading this long long tale Trish in Sydney where bush fires are burning in the Blue Mountains and on the Central Coast above Sydney So many have lost their homes.Heart breaking

Re: lost child If the original Thomas was from Ireland, then I can give you some samples from my own family. Nearly every Catholic family named their first daughter Mary. Elizabeth was also a family name and all of my Elizabeths went by Lilly, Lil, Lizzie and Lillith. Children of Catholics often adopted using their confirmation name in place of their baptismal names. Your Lilly could have gone by Mary, Maggie, Maura, Mollie, Molly, or Mimi, any of the Elizabeth nicknames or by a sacramental name. I would check the 1880s census and the 1900 census for how she is listed there. Accurate first names never seemed to be requisite then. Just a thought. On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:00 AM, irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Lost one child (Patricia Jensen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:46:17 +1100 > From: Patricia Jensen <reachpatricia@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Lost one child > To: Irl-KERRY-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <9AFD50C3-1C1B-403A-956D-F0D47803243E@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I wonder could any one on the list help me find one of my grandfathers daughter's > Story is Thomas Jennings Fawkner arrived into Portland Maine 20 March 1863 aged 21 on Norwegian b 1841 Clovelly Devon > Some two years later he married Annie McBride from Ireland? married in Portland > > They had two daughters" Lilly" Mary Elizabeth Fawkner b 1872 all records for her state b Boston 1872 as yet no birth found?? > Then in 1875 Annie gave birth to another daughter Margaretta b 3 May 1875 in Portland Maine > I have this birth from Family Search > While in USA Thomas Fawkner became a deep sea diver before that a sea man > By 1878 Lilly {Mary E] is back in Falmouth Cornwall with Thomas parents Matthew a Coast Guard and Elizabeth Jennings Fawkner > Grand parents in FAlmouth died about two years later > > In next 5 years Lilly also arrives into Sydney Australia where her father Thomas had arrived 1879 after I presume going back to England with Lilly > I have never been able to get a birth certificate for" Lilly" Mary Elizabeth b Boston > > But I cannot really put the other girl Margaretta to bed as I can find nothing on her after her birth date > except with mother and sister entering entering Boston on ship "China" where Margaretta is listed as infant > > Where they had been I do not know Could have just come from Maine to Boston > > I have had a lot of help over the years from friend "The other Cheryl" on this list > Cheryl found records in Boston that Annie gave birth to a still born son James in Boston 1877 > > I do not know if mother Annie also died then or what happened to Margaretta Fawkner > On these records of the death of James a lot of children were dying at that time in Boston seemed like some thing was raging then > > So do not know if Margaretta died then or what happened to her > The child James is buried on Lovelly's Island in Boston Harbour all I can think is perhaps Tom was doing work there as a diver at that time > But what happened to Margaretta??Mother Annie McBride Fawkner > > Thank you all for reading this long long tale > Trish in Sydney where bush fires are burning in the Blue Mountains and on the Central Coast above Sydney > So many have lost their homes.Heart breaking > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to > IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 177 > *****************************************

Hi Trish, The correct spelling in Ireland was Faulkner Brendan On 23 Oct 2013, at 13:11, cdynan@rcn.com wrote: > Hi Trisha, > I remember this search well. I put the names through ancestry, > which has a lot more records, and New England Historical and > Genealogical Society and still have not come up anything for Lily > for a birth or for Margaretta for anything other then a birth. Maybe > someone else will. > Good luck! > Cheryl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com > To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 03:00:04 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 177 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Lost one child (Patricia Jensen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:46:17 +1100 > From: Patricia Jensen <reachpatricia@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Lost one child > To: Irl-KERRY-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <9AFD50C3-1C1B-403A-956D-F0D47803243E@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I wonder could any one on the list help me find one of my > grandfathers daughter's > Story is Thomas Jennings Fawkner arrived into Portland Maine 20 > March 1863 aged 21 on Norwegian b 1841 Clovelly Devon > Some two years later he married Annie McBride from Ireland? married > in Portland > > They had two daughters" Lilly" Mary Elizabeth Fawkner b 1872 all > records for her state b Boston 1872 as yet no birth found?? > Then in 1875 Annie gave birth to another daughter Margaretta b 3 May > 1875 in Portland Maine > I have this birth from Family Search > While in USA Thomas Fawkner became a deep sea diver before that a > sea man > By 1878 Lilly {Mary E] is back in Falmouth Cornwall with Thomas > parents Matthew a Coast Guard and Elizabeth Jennings Fawkner > Grand parents in FAlmouth died about two years later > > In next 5 years Lilly also arrives into Sydney Australia where her > father Thomas had arrived 1879 after I presume going back to England > with Lilly > I have never been able to get a birth certificate for" Lilly" Mary > Elizabeth b Boston > > But I cannot really put the other girl Margaretta to bed as I can > find nothing on her after her birth date > except with mother and sister entering entering Boston on ship > "China" where Margaretta is listed as infant > > Where they had been I do not know Could have just come from Maine to > Boston > > I have had a lot of help over the years from friend "The other > Cheryl" on this list > Cheryl found records in Boston that Annie gave birth to a still born > son James in Boston 1877 > > I do not know if mother Annie also died then or what happened to > Margaretta Fawkner > On these records of the death of James a lot of children were dying > at that time in Boston seemed like some thing was raging then > > So do not know if Margaretta died then or what happened to her > The child James is buried on Lovelly's Island in Boston Harbour all > I can think is perhaps Tom was doing work there as a diver at that > time > But what happened to Margaretta??Mother Annie McBride Fawkner > > Thank you all for reading this long long tale > Trish in Sydney where bush fires are burning in the Blue Mountains > and on the Central Coast above Sydney > So many have lost their homes.Heart breaking > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to > IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 177 > ***************************************** > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email > to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! 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Thanks for the reminder Brendan. All searches I have done on this family over the years have included all variants. Cheryl Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Brendan O'Donoghue <brendan@researchireland.com> wrote: >Hi Trish, > >The correct spelling in Ireland was Faulkner > >Brendan >On 23 Oct 2013, at 13:11, cdynan@rcn.com wrote: > >> Hi Trisha, >> I remember this search well. I put the names through ancestry, >> which has a lot more records, and New England Historical and >> Genealogical Society and still have not come up anything for Lily >> for a birth or for Margaretta for anything other then a birth. Maybe >> someone else will. >> Good luck! >> Cheryl >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com >> To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 03:00:04 -0400 (EDT) >> Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 177 >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Lost one child (Patricia Jensen) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:46:17 +1100 >> From: Patricia Jensen <reachpatricia@optusnet.com.au> >> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Lost one child >> To: Irl-KERRY-L@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <9AFD50C3-1C1B-403A-956D-F0D47803243E@optusnet.com.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> I wonder could any one on the list help me find one of my >> grandfathers daughter's >> Story is Thomas Jennings Fawkner arrived into Portland Maine 20 >> March 1863 aged 21 on Norwegian b 1841 Clovelly Devon >> Some two years later he married Annie McBride from Ireland? married >> in Portland >> >> They had two daughters" Lilly" Mary Elizabeth Fawkner b 1872 all >> records for her state b Boston 1872 as yet no birth found?? >> Then in 1875 Annie gave birth to another daughter Margaretta b 3 May >> 1875 in Portland Maine >> I have this birth from Family Search >> While in USA Thomas Fawkner became a deep sea diver before that a >> sea man >> By 1878 Lilly {Mary E] is back in Falmouth Cornwall with Thomas >> parents Matthew a Coast Guard and Elizabeth Jennings Fawkner >> Grand parents in FAlmouth died about two years later >> >> In next 5 years Lilly also arrives into Sydney Australia where her >> father Thomas had arrived 1879 after I presume going back to England >> with Lilly >> I have never been able to get a birth certificate for" Lilly" Mary >> Elizabeth b Boston >> >> But I cannot really put the other girl Margaretta to bed as I can >> find nothing on her after her birth date >> except with mother and sister entering entering Boston on ship >> "China" where Margaretta is listed as infant >> >> Where they had been I do not know Could have just come from Maine to >> Boston >> >> I have had a lot of help over the years from friend "The other >> Cheryl" on this list >> Cheryl found records in Boston that Annie gave birth to a still born >> son James in Boston 1877 >> >> I do not know if mother Annie also died then or what happened to >> Margaretta Fawkner >> On these records of the death of James a lot of children were dying >> at that time in Boston seemed like some thing was raging then >> >> So do not know if Margaretta died then or what happened to her >> The child James is buried on Lovelly's Island in Boston Harbour all >> I can think is perhaps Tom was doing work there as a diver at that >> time >> But what happened to Margaretta??Mother Annie McBride Fawkner >> >> Thank you all for reading this long long tale >> Trish in Sydney where bush fires are burning in the Blue Mountains >> and on the Central Coast above Sydney >> So many have lost their homes.Heart breaking >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to >> IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com >> . >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 177 >> ***************************************** >> >> _______________ >> --------------- >> >> Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message. >> >> To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email >> to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. >> >> To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ >> >> Share your stuff! 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-----Original Message----- From: Find Your Kerry Ancestors [mailto:donotreply@wordpress.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:28 AM To: ray.marshall@gmail.com Subject: [New post] Information Wanted - The Boston Pilot kaymoloney posted: "A sometimes untapped source of information on ancestors who emigrated to the United States, is the search facility, provided by Boston College on Information Wanted - The Boston Pilot. There was a tidal wave of Irish immigration to North America in the" New post on Find Your Kerry Ancestors <http://s.wordpress.com/i/emails/blavatar-default.png> <http://mykerryancestors.com/?author=1> Information <http://mykerryancestors.com/information-wanted-boston-pilot/> Wanted - The Boston Pilot by kaymoloney <http://mykerryancestors.com/?author=1> <http://mykerryancestors.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/MKA-Boston-Pilot-Nel igan.jpg> MKA Boston Pilot NeliganA sometimes untapped source of information on ancestors who emigrated to the United States, is the search facility, provided by Boston College on <http://infowanted.bc.edu/> I <http://infowanted.bc.edu/> nformation Wanted - The Boston Pilot. There was a tidal wave of Irish immigration to North America in the nineteenth and early twentieth century. Some came to escape political upheaval, famine, and poverty, while others simply hoped to start a better life in the new world. During this time, formal communication was by the written word, but an international postal system was only just emerging, making it difficult for those who had immigrated to keep in touch with those they had left behind. The result was that many of those in Ireland had no idea where their relatives and friends might be. Many new Irish Americans simply became "lost" to those who cared for them. >From October 1831 through October 1921, the Boston Pilot newspaper printed a "Missing Friends" column with advertisements from people looking for "lost" friends and relatives who had emigrated from Ireland to the United States. This extraordinary collection of 41,249 records is available here as a searchable online database, which contains a text record for each ad that appeared in the Pilot. <http://mykerryancestors.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/MKA-Search-McDermott -Oct-1831.gif> MKA Search McDermott Oct 1831The advertisements contain the ordinary but revealing details about the missing person's life: the county and parish of their birth, when they left Ireland, the believed port of arrival in North America, their occupation, and a range of other personal information. Some records may have as many as 50 different data fields, while others may offer only a few details. The people who placed ads were often anxious family members in Ireland, or the wives, siblings, or parents of men who followed construction jobs on railroads or canals In October 1831 an advertisement appeared in the Boston Pilot newspaper seeking a Patrick McDermott, whose wife and family, newly arrived from Ireland, would be returned by the Emigrant Commissioner if he was not located. This was the first ad in what became known as the "Missing Friends" column, which ran for ninety years (1831-1921). Almost immediately the ads became popular, were widely used, and increased the paper's circulation nationally and abroad, including Ireland and Australia. I am currently researching the arrival and whereabouts of three members of the Nelligan family of Aunascaul in the 1850s and I came across this record in my search - not the family I am looking for though. 17.5.1851 Patrick Neligan, Ballinacourty, Boston Pilot, 'within one mile of Auniscaul, wants to find his father John Neligan, who landed in Boston about 2 years since, with his daughter Johanna, and is now supposed to be in Lynchburg, VA. kaymoloney <http://mykerryancestors.com/?author=1> | October 23, 2013 at 10:25 am | URL: http://wp.me/p3wSgC-mF Comment <http://mykerryancestors.com/information-wanted-boston-pilot/#respond> See <http://mykerryancestors.com/information-wanted-boston-pilot/#comments> all comments Unsubscribe <https://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=2d0205a421eefec02f81e4bf7723c7c0&email =ray.marshall%40gmail.com&b=LC-%26vaSvDI5%26E5%254URW3r94YY.%5BU%5BysQVnvce% 5B%2C.c3Zv4LlNKY%25> to no longer receive posts from Find Your Kerry Ancestors. Change your email settings at Manage <https://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=2d0205a421eefec02f81e4bf7723c7c0&email =ray.marshall%40gmail.com> Subscriptions. Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://mykerryancestors.com/information-wanted-boston-pilot/ <http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=jetpack.wordpress.com&blog=52164110&p ost=1405&subd=mykerryancestors.com&ref=&email=1&email_o=jetpack>

Hi Trisha, I remember this search well. I put the names through ancestry, which has a lot more records, and New England Historical and Genealogical Society and still have not come up anything for Lily for a birth or for Margaretta for anything other then a birth. Maybe someone else will. Good luck! Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 03:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 177 Today's Topics: 1. Lost one child (Patricia Jensen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:46:17 +1100 From: Patricia Jensen <reachpatricia@optusnet.com.au> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Lost one child To: Irl-KERRY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <9AFD50C3-1C1B-403A-956D-F0D47803243E@optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wonder could any one on the list help me find one of my grandfathers daughter's Story is Thomas Jennings Fawkner arrived into Portland Maine 20 March 1863 aged 21 on Norwegian b 1841 Clovelly Devon Some two years later he married Annie McBride from Ireland? married in Portland They had two daughters" Lilly" Mary Elizabeth Fawkner b 1872 all records for her state b Boston 1872 as yet no birth found?? Then in 1875 Annie gave birth to another daughter Margaretta b 3 May 1875 in Portland Maine I have this birth from Family Search While in USA Thomas Fawkner became a deep sea diver before that a sea man By 1878 Lilly {Mary E] is back in Falmouth Cornwall with Thomas parents Matthew a Coast Guard and Elizabeth Jennings Fawkner Grand parents in FAlmouth died about two years later In next 5 years Lilly also arrives into Sydney Australia where her father Thomas had arrived 1879 after I presume going back to England with Lilly I have never been able to get a birth certificate for" Lilly" Mary Elizabeth b Boston But I cannot really put the other girl Margaretta to bed as I can find nothing on her after her birth date except with mother and sister entering entering Boston on ship "China" where Margaretta is listed as infant Where they had been I do not know Could have just come from Maine to Boston I have had a lot of help over the years from friend "The other Cheryl" on this list Cheryl found records in Boston that Annie gave birth to a still born son James in Boston 1877 I do not know if mother Annie also died then or what happened to Margaretta Fawkner On these records of the death of James a lot of children were dying at that time in Boston seemed like some thing was raging then So do not know if Margaretta died then or what happened to her The child James is buried on Lovelly's Island in Boston Harbour all I can think is perhaps Tom was doing work there as a diver at that time But what happened to Margaretta??Mother Annie McBride Fawkner Thank you all for reading this long long tale Trish in Sydney where bush fires are burning in the Blue Mountains and on the Central Coast above Sydney So many have lost their homes.Heart breaking ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 177 *****************************************

Trish We are seeing pictures of the burning fires in Australia here in Florida. I hope you are safe and they get them under control soon. Liz in sunny Florida In a message dated 10/23/2013 3:01:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com writes: Today's Topics: 1. Lost one child (Patricia Jensen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:46:17 +1100 From: Patricia Jensen <reachpatricia@optusnet.com.au> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Lost one child To: Irl-KERRY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <9AFD50C3-1C1B-403A-956D-F0D47803243E@optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wonder could any one on the list help me find one of my grandfathers daughter's Story is Thomas Jennings Fawkner arrived into Portland Maine 20 March 1863 aged 21 on Norwegian b 1841 Clovelly Devon Some two years later he married Annie McBride from Ireland? married in Portland They had two daughters" Lilly" Mary Elizabeth Fawkner b 1872 all records for her state b Boston 1872 as yet no birth found?? Then in 1875 Annie gave birth to another daughter Margaretta b 3 May 1875 in Portland Maine I have this birth from Family Search While in USA Thomas Fawkner became a deep sea diver before that a sea man By 1878 Lilly {Mary E] is back in Falmouth Cornwall with Thomas parents Matthew a Coast Guard and Elizabeth Jennings Fawkner Grand parents in FAlmouth died about two years later In next 5 years Lilly also arrives into Sydney Australia where her father Thomas had arrived 1879 after I presume going back to England with Lilly I have never been able to get a birth certificate for" Lilly" Mary Elizabeth b Boston But I cannot really put the other girl Margaretta to bed as I can find nothing on her after her birth date except with mother and sister entering entering Boston on ship "China" where Margaretta is listed as infant Where they had been I do not know Could have just come from Maine to Boston I have had a lot of help over the years from friend "The other Cheryl" on this list Cheryl found records in Boston that Annie gave birth to a still born son James in Boston 1877 I do not know if mother Annie also died then or what happened to Margaretta Fawkner On these records of the death of James a lot of children were dying at that time in Boston seemed like some thing was raging then So do not know if Margaretta died then or what happened to her The child James is buried on Lovelly's Island in Boston Harbour all I can think is perhaps Tom was doing work there as a diver at that time But what happened to Margaretta??Mother Annie McBride Fawkner Thank you all for reading this long long tale Trish in Sydney where bush fires are burning in the Blue Mountains and on the Central Coast above Sydney So many have lost their homes.Heart breaking ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 177 *****************************************

Hi All, I wondered who did you contact at the National Archive? I have been looking for a marriage between Cornelius Cunningham and Kathryn McDearmon who lived in Kansas City in the 30s. Thanks, Steve > Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 08:44:57 -0700 > From: frederick.raudat@att.net > To: brendan@researchireland.com; joannecalhoun@yahoo.com > CC: irl-KERRY@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Beirne/Cunningham in MA > > Looks like someone will get a surprise... > > > > ________________________________ > From: Brendan O'Donoghue <brendan@researchireland.com> > To: Calhoun Joanne <joannecalhoun@yahoo.com> > Cc: irl-KERRY@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Beirne/Cunningham in MA > > > Just a little update > > I sent an email to the National Archives in Kansas > > I received a lovely prompt reply from the archivest there. > > She confirmed that Mary did marry and had 3 children. > > $20 for the full record which includes a photo. > > Great service > > Brendan > On 21 Oct 2013, at 01:58, Calhoun Joanne wrote: > > > Hi Brendan, I was just reading your posts on IRL-Kerry list re: > > Mary Beirne. You mentioned that you could not find the family on the > > 1930 census but I checked on ancestry and the Cunningham Family was > > living on Elmwood Ave, Lynn in 1930 as they were in 1940. The > > difference is that in 1930 husband is listed as Peter J. and in 1940 > > he is John P. I'd bet that they are one in the same family. > > > > If you haven't found the marriage of Beirne/Cunningham or the birth > > record of Margaret Josephine, I can check the index on my next trip > > to the Mass. Archives on Friday. I did read that you had contacted > > Lynn Town Clerk so you may not still not need the info. Let me know. > > > > Take care, > > Joanne - > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a little update I sent an email to the National Archives in Kansas I received a lovely prompt reply from the archivest there. She confirmed that Mary did marry and had 3 children. $20 for the full record which includes a photo. Great service Brendan On 21 Oct 2013, at 01:58, Calhoun Joanne wrote: > Hi Brendan, I was just reading your posts on IRL-Kerry list re: > Mary Beirne. You mentioned that you could not find the family on the > 1930 census but I checked on ancestry and the Cunningham Family was > living on Elmwood Ave, Lynn in 1930 as they were in 1940. The > difference is that in 1930 husband is listed as Peter J. and in 1940 > he is John P. I'd bet that they are one in the same family. > > If you haven't found the marriage of Beirne/Cunningham or the birth > record of Margaret Josephine, I can check the index on my next trip > to the Mass. Archives on Friday. I did read that you had contacted > Lynn Town Clerk so you may not still not need the info. Let me know. > > Take care, > Joanne -

Lois, Thank you for the wonderful summation. Your comments are most helpful. Diane O'ConnorTiconderoga, NY, USA From: irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 175 To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 01:00:02 -0600 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: lcasson@cox.net To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 06:45:32 -0500 Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Conclusions about DNA testing The discussion related to DNA testing developed from someone asking what was the best lab/company to use. I have learned a whole lot in the last month and have reached some conclusions about DNA testing in general. Where you have testing done has less to do with where you have the testing done than which testing you have done, though there are fewer labs offering the more in-depth testing and it will cost you more. The tests being used to determine ethnic heritage are not the same as those used in criminal investigations and to prove paternity. And, I believe the most satisfying results for those who want to know more about their ethnicity are both the Y-DNA and mtDNA tests. Y-DNA can only be done on males, so a woman would have to get test results from her father or a male sibling. These tests will cost more than twice as much as the bargain testing currently being hawked. The $99 test is an autosomal test which is supposedly testing both the maternal and paternal lines of any individual. Currently these results are very general and aren't likely to give accurate answers related to unknowns in the genealogy, i.e. my husband does not know who his father was and would not likely get clear info on his father since his mother has a diverse heritage. With the autosomal test you get the conclusions of the labs, percentages of what your ethnicity is (currently ballpark figures generally that will like evolve over time) along with pages and pages of "raw data" that is unintelligible to the individual being tested. This is basically a long list of genomes?? or factors found in the testing. They also, currently, only pin point regions, i.e. Great Britain, Scandinavia, Easter Europe, Western Europe, Iberian Peninsula, etc. The Y-DNA and mtDNA give you a written analysis and explanation of what it all means as well as pin-pointing locations (actual countries and regions within those countries). Ancestry gives the impression that you are being matched genetically but I have spent a whole lot of time studying those matches and know for a fact they are matching names on AncestyTrees. I believe that Y-DNA and mtDNA can actually lead to genetic matches. I, personally, will go no further. My family tree is quite large and I could make contact with a very large group of cousins if that is what I chose to do. Over time the autosomal test may become more refined, with more accurate percentages as well as more well-defined locations. Right now I believe the companies doing the autosomal testing are currently getting $99 for very general result and not what the majority want or expect. I know of one woman who has had two tests done by the Ancestry labs with absolutely no results. Lois Casson --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: brendan@researchireland.com CC: irl-KERRY@rootsweb.com To: joannecalhoun@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:22:59 +0100 Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Beirne/Cunningham in MA Hi Joanne, Fran, Helen, I discovered this morning that I was on the wrong track. The Mary in Lynn was Mary Jordan according to her daughters obit. Back to the drawing board. Brendan On 21 Oct 2013, at 01:58, Calhoun Joanne wrote: > Hi Brendan, I was just reading your posts on IRL-Kerry list re: > Mary Beirne. You mentioned that you could not find the family on the > 1930 census but I checked on ancestry and the Cunningham Family was > living on Elmwood Ave, Lynn in 1930 as they were in 1940. The > difference is that in 1930 husband is listed as Peter J. and in 1940 > he is John P. I'd bet that they are one in the same family. > > If you haven't found the marriage of Beirne/Cunningham or the birth > record of Margaret Josephine, I can check the index on my next trip > to the Mass. Archives on Friday. I did read that you had contacted > Lynn Town Clerk so you may not still not need the info. Let me know. > > Take care, > Joanne -

My thanks to Lois Casson on a very informative conclusion on DNA testing. It has helped my understanding. -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:00 AM To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 175 Today's Topics: 1. Conclusions about DNA testing (Lois Casson) 2. Re: Beirne/Cunningham in MA (Brendan O'Donoghue) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 06:45:32 -0500 From: Lois Casson <lcasson@cox.net> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Conclusions about DNA testing To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <526513DC.8060906@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The discussion related to DNA testing developed from someone asking what was the best lab/company to use. I have learned a whole lot in the last month and have reached some conclusions about DNA testing in general. Where you have testing done has less to do with where you have the testing done than which testing you have done, though there are fewer labs offering the more in-depth testing and it will cost you more. The tests being used to determine ethnic heritage are not the same as those used in criminal investigations and to prove paternity. And, I believe the most satisfying results for those who want to know more about their ethnicity are both the Y-DNA and mtDNA tests. Y-DNA can only be done on males, so a woman would have to get test results from her father or a male sibling. These tests will cost more than twice as much as the bargain testing currently being hawked. The $99 test is an autosomal test which is supposedly testing both the maternal and paternal lines of any individual. Currently these results are very general and aren't likely to give accurate answers related to unknowns in the genealogy, i.e. my husband does not know who his father was and would not likely get clear info on his father since his mother has a diverse heritage. With the autosomal test you get the conclusions of the labs, percentages of what your ethnicity is (currently ballpark figures generally that will like evolve over time) along with pages and pages of "raw data" that is unintelligible to the individual being tested. This is basically a long list of genomes?? or factors found in the testing. They also, currently, only pin point regions, i.e. Great Britain, Scandinavia, Easter Europe, Western Europe, Iberian Peninsula, etc. The Y-DNA and mtDNA give you a written analysis and explanation of what it all means as well as pin-pointing locations (actual countries and regions within those countries). Ancestry gives the impression that you are being matched genetically but I have spent a whole lot of time studying those matches and know for a fact they are matching names on AncestyTrees. I believe that Y-DNA and mtDNA can actually lead to genetic matches. I, personally, will go no further. My family tree is quite large and I could make contact with a very large group of cousins if that is what I chose to do. Over time the autosomal test may become more refined, with more accurate percentages as well as more well-defined locations. Right now I believe the companies doing the autosomal testing are currently getting $99 for very general result and not what the majority want or expect. I know of one woman who has had two tests done by the Ancestry labs with absolutely no results. Lois Casson ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:22:59 +0100 From: "Brendan O'Donoghue" <brendan@researchireland.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Beirne/Cunningham in MA To: Calhoun Joanne <joannecalhoun@yahoo.com> Cc: irl-KERRY@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <97805ED6-1C97-4B2F-8BA7-AC70A7E65F4B@researchireland.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi Joanne, Fran, Helen, I discovered this morning that I was on the wrong track. The Mary in Lynn was Mary Jordan according to her daughters obit. Back to the drawing board. Brendan On 21 Oct 2013, at 01:58, Calhoun Joanne wrote: > Hi Brendan, I was just reading your posts on IRL-Kerry list re: > Mary Beirne. You mentioned that you could not find the family on the > 1930 census but I checked on ancestry and the Cunningham Family was > living on Elmwood Ave, Lynn in 1930 as they were in 1940. The > difference is that in 1930 husband is listed as Peter J. and in 1940 > he is John P. I'd bet that they are one in the same family. > > If you haven't found the marriage of Beirne/Cunningham or the birth > record of Margaret Josephine, I can check the index on my next trip to > the Mass. Archives on Friday. I did read that you had contacted Lynn > Town Clerk so you may not still not need the info. Let me know. > > Take care, > Joanne - ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 175 *****************************************

Looks like someone will get a surprise... ________________________________ From: Brendan O'Donoghue <brendan@researchireland.com> To: Calhoun Joanne <joannecalhoun@yahoo.com> Cc: irl-KERRY@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Beirne/Cunningham in MA Just a little update I sent an email to the National Archives in Kansas I received a lovely prompt reply from the archivest there. She confirmed that Mary did marry and had 3 children. $20 for the full record which includes a photo. Great service Brendan On 21 Oct 2013, at 01:58, Calhoun Joanne wrote: > Hi Brendan, I was just reading your posts on IRL-Kerry list re:  > Mary Beirne. You mentioned that you could not find the family on the  > 1930 census but I checked on ancestry and the Cunningham Family was  > living on Elmwood Ave, Lynn in 1930 as they were in 1940. The  > difference is that in 1930 husband is listed as Peter J. and in 1940  > he is John P. I'd bet that they are one in the same family. > > If you haven't found the marriage of Beirne/Cunningham or the birth  > record of Margaret Josephine, I can check the index on my next trip  > to the Mass. Archives on Friday. I did read that you had contacted  > Lynn Town Clerk so you may not still not need the info. Let me know. > > Take care, > Joanne - _______________ ---------------        Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html                                                To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff!  If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance.  Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joanne, Fran, Helen, I discovered this morning that I was on the wrong track. The Mary in Lynn was Mary Jordan according to her daughters obit. Back to the drawing board. Brendan On 21 Oct 2013, at 01:58, Calhoun Joanne wrote: > Hi Brendan, I was just reading your posts on IRL-Kerry list re: > Mary Beirne. You mentioned that you could not find the family on the > 1930 census but I checked on ancestry and the Cunningham Family was > living on Elmwood Ave, Lynn in 1930 as they were in 1940. The > difference is that in 1930 husband is listed as Peter J. and in 1940 > he is John P. I'd bet that they are one in the same family. > > If you haven't found the marriage of Beirne/Cunningham or the birth > record of Margaret Josephine, I can check the index on my next trip > to the Mass. Archives on Friday. I did read that you had contacted > Lynn Town Clerk so you may not still not need the info. Let me know. > > Take care, > Joanne -

The discussion related to DNA testing developed from someone asking what was the best lab/company to use. I have learned a whole lot in the last month and have reached some conclusions about DNA testing in general. Where you have testing done has less to do with where you have the testing done than which testing you have done, though there are fewer labs offering the more in-depth testing and it will cost you more. The tests being used to determine ethnic heritage are not the same as those used in criminal investigations and to prove paternity. And, I believe the most satisfying results for those who want to know more about their ethnicity are both the Y-DNA and mtDNA tests. Y-DNA can only be done on males, so a woman would have to get test results from her father or a male sibling. These tests will cost more than twice as much as the bargain testing currently being hawked. The $99 test is an autosomal test which is supposedly testing both the maternal and paternal lines of any individual. Currently these results are very general and aren't likely to give accurate answers related to unknowns in the genealogy, i.e. my husband does not know who his father was and would not likely get clear info on his father since his mother has a diverse heritage. With the autosomal test you get the conclusions of the labs, percentages of what your ethnicity is (currently ballpark figures generally that will like evolve over time) along with pages and pages of "raw data" that is unintelligible to the individual being tested. This is basically a long list of genomes?? or factors found in the testing. They also, currently, only pin point regions, i.e. Great Britain, Scandinavia, Easter Europe, Western Europe, Iberian Peninsula, etc. The Y-DNA and mtDNA give you a written analysis and explanation of what it all means as well as pin-pointing locations (actual countries and regions within those countries). Ancestry gives the impression that you are being matched genetically but I have spent a whole lot of time studying those matches and know for a fact they are matching names on AncestyTrees. I believe that Y-DNA and mtDNA can actually lead to genetic matches. I, personally, will go no further. My family tree is quite large and I could make contact with a very large group of cousins if that is what I chose to do. Over time the autosomal test may become more refined, with more accurate percentages as well as more well-defined locations. Right now I believe the companies doing the autosomal testing are currently getting $99 for very general result and not what the majority want or expect. I know of one woman who has had two tests done by the Ancestry labs with absolutely no results. Lois Casson