Amanda, Ya better get in touch with Dan O'Leary (_olearydan531@aol.com_ (mailto:olearydan531@aol.com) ) because he has Cliffords in Glenbeigh too. Don ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

In a message dated 5/16/2007 5:17:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com writes: What about Dan Dwyer in Medford Mass who is not ashamed to say that he is 81 and drove 1400miles in co Kerry last Sept. What did it cost old Dan at age 81? I thought the rental companies had put some kind of restriction on renting cars to anyone over 75. I'd like to know old Dan's secret because I'l be 76 my next trip over in 2008 I've been driving all over Ireland in my five trips there since 1996 and had to pay a surcharge because of my age in 2005. Age discrimination I sez!! Old Don, but a young 75. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

May I float a few queries to the experts out there? I now have amassed a large amount of data about our family in Cork, including the names and place where most of them lived. But NOT ALL of the data is certain..... My questions are; When considering lists of baptismal sponsors or Godparents - is it safe to assume that these would all be relations? Or might they be neighbours? If one is considering a family name where, say, there were only a handful of people with the same surname in a parish of only 400 people, how likely are these same-name families to be related to each other? The places that I am researching are very small and rural, did most of the inhabitants stay put around the parish - or did they travel? I am talking about the 1830 - 1900 period. If there is an occurrence of one person ( male ) leasing land and buildings in the Griffith's Valuation, and another person ( female ) renting say, a house and garden from them on the same plot, how likely would it be that they were in some way related? I have been told that this is very likely. Your thoughts on these matters would be very welcome, Mary

Hi to all My husband was born out of wedlock in the 60's at the time his mother was shipped of to Cork and the father of the child didn't want to know anything. His mother had a hard time which as we all know was very common especially in Ireland. What is so sad is that my husband managed to trace his father abt 10yrs ago, but sadly his father didn't want to know him unless he met in secret away from the family home. He never married so had no family to consider which might have been a different issue. I just wonder how many other families went through similar things in Kerry. Kind regards Caroline

In seeing the name Kissane, I am prompted to write again about my greatgrandfather Michael Kissane. Here is what I think I know: I am looking for my Kissane family from Co. Kerry. I know only that Michael Kissane said that he was from Co.Kerry. In the Tithe Applotment and Griffith’s I have found many Kissanes in the Civil Parishes of Lisselton, Knockane, and Killarney. Michael said he was 29 years old on the 1860 Tennessee Census. He was married to Nancy/ Anne (whose name probably was Finucane) on April 23, 1853 in Montpelier, Vermont in the missionary RC church by a French Canadian priest. I believe that she had a sister named Margaret who married a Martin Neylon. I have no idea how and why he was in Vermont except that there was a migration route from Canada through Vermont. I do not know the names of his parents or any siblings he may have had. The family story was that he came over with his parents when he was 2 or 3 but I now believe that this might not be true based upon his reputation for embroidering the truth. I am open to any advice or suggestions from all of you who have hit brick walls. When I traveled to Ireland in 2004, I found only one Michael Kissane who was born/christened (4 Dec 1825) within 10 years of the date I think he might have been born. This was in the Killarney parish. Parents names were given as Joseph Kissane and Mary Donnoghue. This same Mary and Joseph were married 25 April 1825 in Killarney. The townland of Lackavane was given (which I thought was a misprint on the printout at the Cathedral because Lackabane is only a few miles from there. Now I find that a Lackavane is in Co. Cork.). Also present were John and Ellen Cronin as witnesses. I also was given permission to look in the printout at Ballybunion but didn’t find any Michael close enough in time. If anyone has any help for me, I’d appreciate it. It would be wonderful to break through my brick wall but I’m not betting the farm on it. Thanks for any help given. Helen

a cousin recently visited Ireland, and while looking at records in county Kerry/ Movane found that our family menbers listed their place of berth as Bridge on baptism records--could some one list directions to Bridge???? Thanks for your help

What about Dan Dwyer in Medford Mass who is not ashamed to say that he is 81 and drove 1400miles in co Kerry last Sept.

I can believe 81, Dan! Good for you! 1,400 miles in Kerry? You must have gotten kinda dizzy! Kerry's not that big. And considering every time you slow down someone invites you in for a cuppa, it might be hard to put 1,400 miles on a car in a month in Kerry. Ray Marshall Still fixated on the storks in Poland, but Mama won't stand up so I can see the first baby! -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of daniel j dwyer Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:27 PM To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 143LIz What about Dan Dwyer in Medford Mass who is not ashamed to say that he is 81 and drove 1400miles in co Kerry last Sept. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/805 - Release Date: 5/15/2007 10:47 AM

Mary, I went to a national genealogy conference a couple of years ago. The most significant fact that I learned was, "People married someone close enough to walk to their house after a day's work." Joan Griffin Rusk -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Mary Simpson Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:00 AM To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com; IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com; IRL-WEXFORD@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Family research If one is considering a family name where, say, there were only a handful of people with the same surname in a parish of only 400 people, how likely are these same-name families to be related to each other? The places that I am researching are very small and rural, did most of the inhabitants stay put around the parish - or did they travel? I am talking about the 1830 - 1900 period. Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My father's given name was Maurice. His nickname was Moss. When you heard his Kerry born ma pronounce Maurice (Mar-iss, it was easy to hear how that nickname had stuck. I never knew that anyone else said Thomas a tatamus. My mother used to recite a poem, "Thomas a tatamus took 2 t's to tie to the top of 2 tall trees, now how many t's in that? (2 of course) Ray, You brought back many memories with the names we called our siblings. Also my late eldest brother was named Thomas but what was I told...he was Thomas-a-titamus. And poor late Maurice was always called Moggie!! My poor Irish mum would only shake her head at Dads jokes. I remember Mum calling her brother Maurice, "Mossie." Mention that word around here and we look for the spray!! > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carlene, I am looking for any information on my O'Meara clan from Gap of Dunloe. Where are your O'Meara relatives from? Kay ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I think my husband is cheating on me. He gets these letters from 'Medicare', whoever she is. Last one I saw says she's available to him on June 1st. My husband is elated and says he's happy that he lived to see the day.. Does this mean our marriage is in trouble? Pat beautiful PBG, Florida ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

That's one of the best that I have heard along that line, Margaret. When folks think of "sayings" like that, think what you call your brothers and sisters, things that are "private jokes" that nobody would ever understand from outside the family. Not that they are bad, but they are intimate expressions in the best sense of the word. My brother in California always calls our brother here "Beans" or "Beansie." I can't even remember why but it might have had something to do with what Brian (who I call "Bri") did with or to beans as a tyke. The same goes for things like Shanty Irish. The other day I was talking to a guy whose last name, McGrath, is the same as that of a friend of mine in a town near here. We had never talked before, but his response to my question "Are you related to the Bayport McGraths?" was what I would have said: "If they have money, no." Most of us Irish are very proud of being "Shanty Irish." And we're prouder of how far we have come given those obstacles. Ray -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of mrcarmean@sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:08 PM To: IRL-KERRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] expressions I remember being in about 3rd grade or so and one of the Sisters of Mercy stating that we were either Shanty Irish or Lace Curtain Irish. Not familiar with the terms I immediately went to see my grandfather to let me know which we were. Grama was the daughter of 2 Kerry parents and knew her place in life. Grampa informed me that Grama said we were Lace Curtain Irish though on his side the lace was made of cobwebs. I was most proud to be able to return to school the next day and report back on my research. I couldn't understand why the good Sister not known for her sense of humor started laughing. I was then wondering if Grampa had set me up. So that night at supper I shared my story at the supper table. My father laughed even harder then my teacher while my poor mother (who was half German and half shanty Irish) was just horrified. I now proudly use my grandfathers description of my roots. lol Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/804 - Release Date: 5/14/2007 4:46 PM

Ray, I am surprised at you. Have you never tried Clusty? It is so much more helpful than Google. It sorts the numerous results into Clusters, and gives you a total in each cluster. Since a picture is worth a thousand words, check it out for yourselves: <A HREF="http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&v%3Asources=webplus&query=%22black+Irish%22"> http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&v%3Asources=webplus&query=%22black+Irish%22</A> Marge in Southern California Searching: Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stacpoole, Garvey/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan in Kildare Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry </HTML>

Ray I think they are all burning in the wild fires down there - more then one way to get rid of snakes, and other critter too! Liz, Hunting Cemeteries in Connecticut and family,dead and/or alive. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I remember being in about 3rd grade or so and one of the Sisters of Mercy stating that we were either Shanty Irish or Lace Curtain Irish. Not familiar with the terms I immediately went to see my grandfather to let me know which we were. Grama was the daughter of 2 Kerry parents and knew her place in life. Grampa informed me that Grama said we were Lace Curtain Irish though on his side the lace was made of cobwebs. I was most proud to be able to return to school the next day and report back on my research. I couldn't understand why the good Sister not known for her sense of humor started laughing. I was then wondering if Grampa had set me up. So that night at supper I shared my story at the supper table. My father laughed even harder then my teacher while my poor mother (who was half German and half shanty Irish) was just horrified. I now proudly use my grandfathers description of my roots. lol Margaret

Liz We've got big fires up here on the MN - Canadian border, but they aren't much compared to what you seem to have down there. But 50 people have lost their homes and losing a home is a big deal, I would bet. We had a big windstorm up there maybe five years or so ago and there are millions of dead tries just waiting for a fire. And this year, the snow cover was minimal so we got the fire. Ray -----Original Message----- From: Lizziems@aol.com [mailto:Lizziems@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 6:28 PM To: raymarsh@mninter.net; Noreen910@aol.com; cw736@wideopenwest.com; irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRISH EXPRESSIONS Ray I think they are all burning in the wild fires down there - more then one way to get rid of snakes, and other critter too! Liz, Hunting Cemeteries in Connecticut and family,dead and/or alive. _____ See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .

Ray Senior and Numbers don't mean anything to me except discount. I will gladly say Senior Discount. I lived long and hard to get here and I want to enjoy every minute of it. Liz, Whom I know is a whole lot older then Ray in Minneapolis and Jack in Palmer, Pa. and proud to still be here to say it! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Thanks Marge. Clusty is terrific and I'd forgotten about it. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: <KerryKuzzin@cs.com> To: <IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Google vs. Clusty > Ray, > I am surprised at you. Have you never tried Clusty? It is so much more > helpful than Google. It sorts the numerous results into Clusters, and > gives you > a total in each cluster. > Since a picture is worth a thousand words, check it out for yourselves: > > <A > HREF="http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&v%3Asources=webplus&query=%22black+Irish%22"> > http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&v%3Asources=webplus&query=%22black+Irish%22</A> > > Marge in Southern California > > Searching: > Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut > Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut > Walsh, Stacpoole, Garvey/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan in Kildare > Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut > O'Connor in Kerry </HTML> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And we're thrilled to have you, Liz, as long as you leave the pythons at home. I like that: "Senior Discount, please!" It has a nice ring to it. Ray -----Original Message----- From: Lizziems@aol.com [mailto:Lizziems@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:36 PM To: raymarsh@mninter.net; Noreen910@aol.com; cw736@wideopenwest.com; irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRISH EXPRESSIONS Ray Senior and Numbers don't mean anything to me except discount. I will gladly say Senior Discount. I lived long and hard to get here and I want to enjoy every minute of it. Liz, Whom I know is a whole lot older then Ray in Minneapolis and Jack in Palmer, Pa. and proud to still be here to say it! _____ See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .