> My history may be a bit rusty but I remember guides telling me as I went > through Ireland (esp in Waterford and Galway - but other places might have > same history) that there was a thriving trade - both legal and illegal - > with the continent - especially Spain and France for wine in the 18th > century and beyond. Might this account for some intermarriage between > Spanish and Irish? Also when the Catholics were not allowed to get > educated people of means would send their sons to both France and Spain > for education. Some married and stayed on to be the local representative > of their merchant father who was in the import business. But might more > lowly participants in the trade business - such as sailors - also have > married Spanish wives? (and vice versa) >

In regard to car rentals in Ireland, I remember my dad, age 50, (in 1970) was critically injured in a car accident caused by a drunk driver who was killed. After a long recovery which left him with a slight limp, he celebrated by arranging a trip to Ireland with my mother and some of the younger children in my family. At the car rental at Shannon, he was told they didn't rent to "cripples". Well, if you knew my dad, you would know that he loved all thing Irish AND that he had an "Irish" temper that flared up only occasionally and this was one occasion...............! The car rental company would not be swayed and in the end, my mother (who hated to drive and only did so sparingly) had to sign the papers and drive off from the airport. It has been a source of amusement in our family our dad's strong reaction to this, and hopefully they have improved their policies since that time. Susan -----Original Message----- From: DBJOLEARY@aol.com To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 19 May 2007 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 147 In a message dated 5/19/2007 3:07:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com writes: old Dan Didn't say he rented a car over there, My nephew rented it. I drove it .Maybe illegal , I don't know!! Dan Dwyer Me thinks Old Dan pulled a slickey on the car rental company. Atta boy Dan!! I may try that next time but I hear that Hertz still rents out cars to anyone between 75 & 80 and I'm a gold card member. Young at heart old Don in Chattanooga, TN for grand-dtr. Kelsi's high school graduation. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

In a message dated 5/19/2007 3:07:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com writes: old Dan Didn't say he rented a car over there, My nephew rented it. I drove it .Maybe illegal , I don't know!! Dan Dwyer Me thinks Old Dan pulled a slickey on the car rental company. Atta boy Dan!! I may try that next time but I hear that Hertz still rents out cars to anyone between 75 & 80 and I'm a gold card member. Young at heart old Don in Chattanooga, TN for grand-dtr. Kelsi's high school graduation. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi listers. Just real quick on these Grand Army of the Republic (GAR) lookups. This is not based on where the person was living when they signed up for the war as it is where they ended up living. For instance, my William Sheehy (Shehea, Shehee, McSheehy) was living in Holyoke, Mass. when he signed up for a unit in N.Y, much to my surprise. And he lived in Holyoke for almost ten years after he left the military. Yet I found him on the GAR list in Whitinsville, Mass. Whitinsville is a small section in the town of Northbridge that he and all of his other brothers and their families moved to (and are buried in). He also was listed in the GAR as William McSheey. And when I went to find him in his unit on the Soldiers and Sailors site, I found him listed as William Shehea. So..................I can search this stuff by name or by town. If you do not know the name of the town, any different spelling that you can give me would help. You will have to do the Soldiers and Sailors site yourselves. Sometimes this GAR list gives different info on different people, i.e., sometimes a birth date, sometimes a death date, sometimes a birth place or a death place, etc. The town that is listed next to the GAR Post # is the town that GAR Post was in. Sometimes that is where the person lives and sometimes it isn't. But it almost always gives the regiment and the unit. There are complete records for these people, as I have said before, but they will not be available until sometime in 2009 because they have been put in storage while the library in Cambridge, Mass. is being renovated. Just saying this so that I will not have to repeat myself over and over. We wouldn't want that, would we? And..........if you have any other questions pertaining to how this works, put those questions to the list so that I only have to answer it once and everyone can get it. Thanks. Monica ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Yes I am very interested in this new entry for people to Boston M.A I can find no trace of my grandfather entering Boston or NY , but then I find he had a daughter born 1872 in Boston AME. Is there a web site for entry. Trish in Sydney

old Dan Didn't say he rented a car over there, My nephew rented it. I drove it .Maybe illegal , I don't know!! Dan Dwyer

Hi list , As you must all know now Pete cannot post to the list , I think rootsweb is working on it But they are very slow with this , so I am forwarding Pete's answer to my question re Ardabrane So, if I had suspected Ardasbaun was really Ardabaun, I would have gone to the Discovery and TI maps....... which would have shown me that the townland is actually Ardabaun. Two out of three is usually enough for me . But I'm still not happy about the extra "r" in there (the ane vs. aun is not a problem). I couldn't see how it could a transcription error (an extra letter) or an oral mis-hearing - although the latter might be more likely Anyway, excuses aside, Ardabaun is just 3 miles due west of Castlemaine village/town, right along the north shore of the River Maine estuary. I've been near there (the old Keel church, in the next townland to the north), but never had reason to visit the townland. There are only 5 or 6 housed in the townland at the current time. Pete **************************************

Hi Kerry listers. I thought I would mention that I have now downloaded on my computer: "Grand Army of the Republic: Civil War Veterans, Department of Massachusetts, 1866-1947". This is a list of over 40,000 names of Civil War veterans who joined this group in Massachusetts or their sons who joined Sons Of.............or the Wives of.................... I have found an ancestor through this list. I knew that William McSheehy had been a Civil War veteran but had been unable to find out where he had enlisted or anything. I have still not been able to find any pension record at the Nat. Archives. But I found him on this list. He joined the Volunteer Army in New York. Big surprise to me. But this GAR list gives his regiment, rank, etc. Everything that I needed to send to Washington, D.C. for his service record. Which I am now waiting for. The interesting thing was the spelling of his name. Back then, my family had not "returned" the Mc to its name and most of the time the spelling was Sheehy. But William enlisted as Shehea. I had tried every other spelling that I could think of to find him but that one. (Trust me on this one. I grew up a McSheehy and you would be amazed at what people can do to this name. Or maybe you wouldn't.) William has been the one brother who seemed to give the most info when he filled out forms when they first came over from Co. Kerry. Maybe this will lead me somewhere else. I also found a Maurice Lynch who served with him and could be part of my Lynch family but there were quite a few Maurice Lynches around, I have found. I do know that my family does have a Maurice Lynch in its tree. Who knows? Might be coincidence. Might not. The complete files of the GAR members is in the Cambridge, Mass. library but they have all been put in storage until 2009, I was told, due to renovations being done on the building. Sigh. So I must try to be patient. The point is, if any of you think your ancestors might have been in the Civil War and settled after the war in Massachusetts, I am more than happy to look it up for you. It seems most Civil War vets signed up with the GAR. I have also found William's son John who joined the Sons of.................. The search continues.................... Monica ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

While I see CLIFFORD of Glenbeigh I will add my interest- Bridget GRIFFIN (born circa 1827), the daughter of James GRIFFIN and Catherine CLIFFORD. Bridget's New Zealand Death Certificate (1902 aged 75) records Bridget - First married in Glenbeigh at age 20 (circa 1847) to GULDAN. Second marriage in Tralee at age 27 (circa 1854) to CULLOTY. No proof Bridget was born in Glenbeigh - her first marriage was there. Bridget was recorded as having one son aged 43 at the time of her death (1902) who I can not account for - I suspect he may have been a CULLOTY. Bridget also had a daughter Catherine CULLOTY born at Currovough about 1864. I would be pleased to make contact with any person with connection to these families. Jenny ---- Original Message ----- From: <DBJOLEARY@aol.com> To: <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 144 > Amanda, Ya better get in touch with Dan O'Leary (_olearydan531@aol.com_ > (mailto:olearydan531@aol.com) ) because he has Cliffords in Glenbeigh > too. > > Don > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > >

I have never heard of Clusty but now that I have checked it out, it is also on my favorites list, which seems to be just filling up with great sites found through the Kerry list! Thanks Marge. Monica ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Ray. Yes, the memories that sometimes come flooding back can be quite sweet. On another note, Thanks so much for that link to the storks in Poland! Just another "Ray site" to add to my favorites list. You have been a huge source of educational information and interesting web sites for me and my favorites list is mostly from you........................ Monica ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I will tell you this much, Hertz are the only car company that will rent to 75 and over. Trish Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 144 In a message dated 5/16/2007 5:17:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com writes: What about Dan Dwyer in Medford Mass who is not ashamed to say that he is 81 and drove 1400miles in co Kerry last Sept. What did it cost old Dan at age 81? I thought the rental companies had put some kind of restriction on renting cars to anyone over 75. I'd like to know old Dan's secret because I'l be 76 my next trip over in 2008 I've been driving all over Ireland in my five trips there since 1996 and had to pay a surcharge because of my age in 2005. Age discrimination I sez!! Old Don, but a young 75. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/804 - Release Date: 14/05/2007 4:46 PM

Joan, those were my thoughts also ( people marrying within a close region ) and when I said 400 people in a parish, I meant just that and not merely the townland, although when you do find the same name families in different townlands, they often turn out to be very close by - a couple of miles at most. But then I was thinking of the marriage broker or arranger used so much in Ireland in the 19th century, they may have introduced couples from different areas altogether. My grandfather, from Cork, married my grandmother from Wexford Town in 1904 in Wexford, and he was working and living in Longford at the time ( although for a cousin, so perhaps that doesn't count ). Its all very perplexing. Mary

MCCANN, DANIEL from Kilmuty Castle, Castle Island, County Kerry, emigrated via Pennsylvania to Carolina in 1783 sought by his cousin Daniel McCann late from Ireland in August 1802 (Raleigh Register: 8.8.1802) Source: Irish Emigrants in North America, 1670-1830, Part Six David Dobson, 2003, Clearfield Company Inc. Baltimore, Md.

Hi, I forgot to add that Patrick CLIFFORD Jr.'s mother's name was probably Catherine or Bridget - since based on Irish naming patterns, he only had two daugthers - and that's what he named them. I can't say for sure though because with his first two sons, they switched the naming patterns - first son named after mother's father etc. So I don't know if they did that with the daugthers as well. But either way, I"m guessing that Patrick CLIFFORD born approx 1837 was the son of Patrick CLIFFORD and either Catherine or Bridget CLIFFORD. Thanks. -Amanda Clifford

Hi, I need some help with my Co. Kerry CLIFFORDs. All I know is that they were from Co. Kerry. My great-great grandfather, Patrick CLIFFORD was born in approx. 1837 and migrated to Wales sometime prior to 1863 when he married Ellen MURPHY. Patrick's father was Patrick CLIFFORD. Based on Irish naming patterns, I think that Patrick Jr.'s grandfather would be Michael CLIFFORD. I checked Griffith's Valuations - there were only 21 Patrick CLIFFORDS in all of Kerry. Of those 21 CLIFFORDs, 11 were from Killorglin. I was in Killorglin in January and checked out the parish records - and my Patrick CLIFFORD was not in there. I had a genealogist check Glenbeigh, and he said Patrick wasn't there either. The remaining areas are: Aghadoe Ballincuslane Dromod Kilcrohane Killinane Knocknane Molahiffe Prior >From what I understand, parish records don't go back as far as 1837 in those areas - but I'm not sure. Does anyone know? Or can anyone point me in another possible direction to pinpoint a town/placename? Thank you. Amanda Clifford

I've never heard about folks going to Newfoundland and then to Boston. I have been trying to trace my Salem, Mass. ancestor's arrival in the US and they did not come through NYC, or any other U.S. port whose information is on-line. Is there a site that lists arrivals in Newfoundland?? All the best, Mary Ellen Researching the Wheltons from Clonakilty, the Horrigans from Killorglin and the McCarthys from Killarney --- "John E. Mansfield" <JMANSFIE@DNFSB.GOV> wrote: > Another expression for immigrant Irish around Boston > was "two-boater". > If you had the cash for a ticket to NY or Boston, > you were pretty well > off: you were a one-boater.. If you were poor as > dirt, or your landlord > was trying to get rid of you, you got a ticket as > far as St. John's, > Newfoundland, then worked on the fishing boats till > you had money for > the fare to Boston or NYC: you were a two-boater. > It was a badge of > honor to have had the gumption to be a two-boater. > > Jack > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz

Since this list is so active right now, thought I'd post my Kerry interests once again.

I can't help except in a general way. Research of my Dingle Peninsula, Kerry ancestors has led to the Brattleboro, VT area and the Kerry names in the census records in the mid to late 1800's showed them working in factory jobs. I don't know specifically where they landed in "America" but Canada is high on the list of probabilities. Back then "America" was USA or Canada. Susan -----Original Message----- From: h.templeton@insightbb.com To: MAHuntley@dow.com Cc: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] KISSANE In seeing the name Kissane, I am prompted to write again about my greatgrandfather Michael Kissane. Here is what I think I know: I am looking for my Kissane family from Co. Kerry. I know only that Michael Kissane said that he was from Co.Kerry. In the Tithe Applotment and Griffith’s I have found many Kissanes in the Civil Parishes of Lisselton, Knockane, and Killarney. Michael said he was 29 years old on the 1860 Tennessee Census. He was married to Nancy/ Anne (whose name probably was Finucane) on April 23, 1853 in Montpelier, Vermont in the missionary RC church by a French Canadian priest. I believe that she had a sister named Margaret who married a Martin Neylon. I have no idea how and why he was in Vermont except that there was a migration route from Canada through Vermont. I do not know the names of his parents or any siblings he may have had. The family story was that he came over with his parents when he was 2 or 3 but I now believe that this might not be true based upon his reputation for embroidering the truth. I am open to any advice or suggestions from all of you who have hit brick walls. When I traveled to Ireland in 2004, I found only one Michael Kissane who was born/christened (4 Dec 1825) within 10 years of the date I think he might have been born. This was in the Killarney parish. Parents names were given as Joseph Kissane and Mary Donnoghue. This same Mary and Joseph were married 25 April 1825 in Killarney. The townland of Lackavane was given (which I thought was a misprint on the printout at the Cathedral because Lackabane is only a few miles from there. Now I find that a Lackavane is in Co. Cork.). Also present were John and Ellen Cronin as witnesses. I also was given permission to look in the printout at Ballybunion but didn’t find any Michael close enough in time. If anyone has any help for me, I’d appreciate it. It would be wonderful to break through my brick wall but I’m not betting the farm on it. Thanks for any help given. Helen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Ray, You brought back many memories with the names we called our siblings. I was only 5 when I started school and of course,repeated everything, my wag of a Welsh father told me. I was feeling very pleased with myself when the "big girls" came over and ask me my brothers name. Poor Billy went red with shame when I blurted out "Willum the Conkra" which was supposed to be William the Conqueror. When I told Dad about it, he was rolling with laughter. Yes he was the one who told me that was Billys real name. Also my late eldest brother was named Thomas but what was I told...he was Thomas-a-titamus. And poor late Maurice was always called Moggie!! My poor Irish mum would only shake her head at Dads jokes. I remember Mum calling her brother Maurice, "Mossie." Mention that word around here and we look for the spray!! Nice to hear from you-all again. Mary in Nth Queensland where we are still waiting for winter to start and still wearing shorts and tee shirts when we should be in our tracksuits.! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Marshall" <raymarsh@mninter.net> To: <mrcarmean@sbcglobal.net>; <IRL-KERRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] expressions > That's one of the best that I have heard along that line, Margaret. > > When folks think of "sayings" like that, think what you call your brothers > and sisters, things that are "private jokes" that nobody would ever > understand from outside the family. Not that they are bad, but they are > intimate expressions in the best sense of the word. > > My brother in California always calls our brother here "Beans" or > "Beansie." > I can't even remember why but it might have had something to do with what > Brian (who I call "Bri") did with or to beans as a tyke. > >