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    1. [IRL-KERRY] Caherciveen Parish
    2. Trish Jensen
    3. Hi all. I have been trying now three times to send an email to Father Dennehy at O'Connell Memorial Church. I did get the email address from the Cathlic Church web site but it has been returned three times .Anyone out there know the new email address I have caherciveenparish@hotmail.com Trish O'Connors and Teahans from Ballfinnane and Currow,son Maurice went to New Zealand also Cournane and Bowler from Cahersiveen ,daughter Mary Frances married Maurice in NZ 1881

    06/10/2007 11:51:30
    1. [IRL-KERRY] Liftiing of 1825 Insurrection Act ('Martial Law') in Kerry
    2. Ray Marshall
    3. The defeat of Napoleon and the redrawing of the boundaries of Europe in 1815 led to a mass demobilization of the English army and a huge depression of farm prices. This was followed in the 1820s by much discontent in Ireland ("Whiteboy" activity) and the imposition of Martial Law (the "Insurrection Act") in most of Ireland. Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 07:02:17 -0500 From: "Cathy Joynt Labath" <labaths@celticcousins.net> Subject: [IRELAND] Connaught Journal; Jan 31, 1825; Provincial News To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, Monday, January 31, 1825 PROVINCIAL NEWS LIMERICK, JAN. 22 - Captain O'Grady, M.P., John Thomas Walter, jun. Esq of Castletown; and other county gentlemen, came into town yesterday in expectation of meeting Mr. Blackburne. His presence, however, was totally unnecessary; and Mr. Vokes and another Magistrate in the County Court-House, and read his Excellency the Lord Lieutenant's Proclamation, withdrawing the provisions of the Insurrection Act from this County, the entire of which is now relieved from its operation. It is ardently to be wished that the peasantry will evince a due sense of this indulgence, and refrain from any further violations of the law, which must ever terminate to their disadvantage. Since the restrictions of the Insurrection Act have been withdrawn from Kerry, that County continues in a peaceable state; and it is earnestly hoped that Government will encourage the good disposition of the peasantry, by affording aid to the agricultural and commercial interests in that quarter.--Chronicle.

    06/10/2007 05:21:54
    1. [IRL-KERRY] Tralee Kerry
    2. I learned Maurice Flynn was born in Tralee before 1820 from the 1861 census in Holborn England. I am trying to find his bapt. record or his marriage. I have an old notation that he married Bridget Flaherty in 1833 but don't remember where I got that info.I knew his wife was Honora but just learned her last name was Flaherty.I would appreciate any help or assistance. He did have a brother Patrick born in Tralee. Dolores .

    06/08/2007 05:13:38
    1. Re: [IRL-KERRY] Edward SHEA/ birth: Kerry Ireland about 1821
    2. Ray Marshall
    3. I was born in Duluth and know a bit about genealogy research there and in Minnesota. I don't recall "Shea" names when I was growing up in the 50s. Ray Marshall Minneapolis -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of N. Schmitz Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:42 PM To: IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Edward SHEA/ birth: Kerry Ireland about 1821 Edward Shea was my great grandfather, born in Kerry, Ireland. He went to Nova Scotia, Canada by about 1847 where his children, Mary Ellen, John, Edward and Bridget were born. Edward, his wife (my great grandmother) and family were found on the 1881 Canadian census in Georgetown Royal, Kings County, Prince Edward Island, Canada. He married Mary Diggens either in Kerry or Nova Scotia. Edward and his sons were coopers. After 1881 Edward and Mary's children moved to Duluth, Minnesota, United States of America. It is uncertain whether Edward and Mary followed them or remained in Prince Edward Island. Any suggestions or information about this family and other family relatives would be much appreciated! N. Schmitz smile@execpc.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 2:03 PM

    06/08/2007 03:03:41
    1. Re: [IRL-KERRY] Edward SHEA/ birth: Kerry Ireland about 1821
    2. Donal O'Kelly
    3. Many still called themselves O'Shey. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Marshall" <raymarsh@mninter.net> To: "N. Schmitz" <smile@execpc.com>; <IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Edward SHEA/ birth: Kerry Ireland about 1821 >I was born in Duluth and know a bit about genealogy research there and > in Minnesota. I don't recall "Shea" names when I was growing up in the > 50s. > > > Ray Marshall > Minneapolis > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of N. Schmitz > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:42 PM > To: IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Edward SHEA/ birth: Kerry Ireland about 1821 > > Edward Shea was my great grandfather, born in Kerry, Ireland. He > went to Nova Scotia, Canada by about 1847 where his children, Mary > Ellen, John, Edward and Bridget were born. Edward, his wife (my great > grandmother) and family were found on the 1881 Canadian census in > Georgetown Royal, Kings County, Prince Edward Island, Canada. He > married Mary Diggens either in Kerry or Nova Scotia. Edward and his > sons were coopers. After 1881 Edward and Mary's children moved to > Duluth, Minnesota, United States of America. It is uncertain whether > Edward and Mary followed them or remained in Prince Edward Island. > Any suggestions or information about this family and other family > relatives would be much appreciated! > N. Schmitz > smile@execpc.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 > 2:03 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 6/7/2007 > 2:21 PM > >

    06/08/2007 01:34:35
    1. [IRL-KERRY] The conunrum
    2. Mary Simpson
    3. Ray, I think that you have probably the most likely explanation. In 1830, the Protestant population of the parish was 58, out of a gross population of 764. By 1860, the Protestant population had fallen to 18, out of a gross population of 470. After the 1880s the parish was combined with that of Leighmoney, and then Inishannon, so possibly the Protestant community had shrunk hugely. My g.g. grandfather was definitely renting the church as well as the other buildings. It states this categorically in the Rate Books and the Cancellation Books. At one time, up to the 1980s, the foundations of the church could be seen, but now it is very, very overgrown with nettles and brambles, and only the taller headstones of the graves in the surrounding churchyard can be seen, although the stone wall around the whole site is in a pretty good state. A neighbouring family offered to clear the site and make it approachable but were refused by the local authorities on the grounds that there are Catholic AND Protestant graves sharing the churchyard, I don't quite understand the reasoning in this, but then local authorities are always a mystery unto themselves..... What I am really wishing is that someone would read my postings, and come on-line and say " Oh, you want to read So-and-So's local history of Templemichael, it has all the information in there "........ There are so many local histories here in England, and I am sure in many other countries also, but I don't know of any for this area in Cork. The nearest Heritage Centre is a few miles west in Bandon, and apparently that only really covers the history of Bandon Town. Sigh!! So I will keep on digging..... Mary

    06/08/2007 11:29:22
    1. Re: [IRL-KERRY] The conundrum
    2. Ray Marshall
    3. Mary: "What I am really wishing is that someone would read my postings, and come on-line and say " Oh, you want to read So-and-So's local history of Templemichael, it has all the information in there "........" Wouldn't we all love to have those definitive histories of our ancestors' home parishes and townlands? But you know what would happen? We would read them once, put them back on the bookshelf and cease doing our research and missing out on the frustrations, tedium and joy of genealogical research. <GR> And we wouldn't have friends from around the world with whom we can share those frustrations, tedium and joy. Ray In summertime Minneapolis -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Mary Simpson Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 11:29 AM To: IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com; Irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-KERRY] The conunrum Ray, I think that you have probably the most likely explanation. In 1830, the Protestant population of the parish was 58, out of a gross population of 764. By 1860, the Protestant population had fallen to 18, out of a gross population of 470. After the 1880s the parish was combined with that of Leighmoney, and then Inishannon, so possibly the Protestant community had shrunk hugely. My g.g. grandfather was definitely renting the church as well as the other buildings. It states this categorically in the Rate Books and the Cancellation Books. At one time, up to the 1980s, the foundations of the church could be seen, but now it is very, very overgrown with nettles and brambles, and only the taller headstones of the graves in the surrounding churchyard can be seen, although the stone wall around the whole site is in a pretty good state. A neighbouring family offered to clear the site and make it approachable but were refused by the local authorities on the grounds that there are Catholic AND Protestant graves sharing the churchyard, I don't quite understand the reasoning in this, but then local authorities are always a mystery unto themselves..... What I am really wishing is that someone would read my postings, and come on-line and say " Oh, you want to read So-and-So's local history of Templemichael, it has all the information in there "........ There are so many local histories here in England, and I am sure in many other countries also, but I don't know of any for this area in Cork. The nearest Heritage Centre is a few miles west in Bandon, and apparently that only really covers the history of Bandon Town. Sigh!! So I will keep on digging..... Mary

    06/08/2007 05:45:30
    1. [IRL-KERRY] A conundrum
    2. Mary Simpson
    3. Could anybody out there with some specialist knowledge give some help on an interesting puzzle that has had me wondering for some time? It concerns a very small township in the parish of Ballinhassig / Templemichael just south west of Cork city off the road to Inishannon. In 1812 a church was built ( Church of Ireland ) and a couple of years later a glebe house for the Rector, J.R. Meade, plus a school and schoolhouse. By 1860 the glebe house was " in a state of decay" and in 1884 the church " was taken down and it's glebe was sold". And in the Rate books it states that in 1885 " the old glebehouse was burned". In 1880, my g.g. grandfather is listed in the Rate Books in the Valuation Office in Dublin as renting from the incumbent Rev J Grant in fee, 5 acres of glebe, plus the dilapidated glebe house plus the schoolhouse - plus the church!!!??? By 1885 his son, my g. grandfather was listed as renting in fee the 5 acres of glebe only, later a house was added. My questions are these; 1 - How could my g.g. grandfather be renting the church? I can understand perhaps renting the land, and even maybe the schoolhouse ( his daughter in law, my g. grandmother was meant to have been a teacher ) but how could the church be rented by him? Especially as it was still in use. 2 - Is it at all possible, given the period ( 1884 - 1885 ) that the Land Wars could have come into it? I can find no hard evidence, but there is a family story of "land trouble and dispossession" at this period. Does anybody have any idea of further sources of information covering this period of time and place ( Cork )? I have looked at the Church of Ireland sources for the parish, but they only state the bare facts, and not the history behind it. By the way, my family were Catholic, although they were buried in the little churchyard along with their Protestant neighbours. Mary

    06/08/2007 04:47:51
    1. Re: [IRL-KERRY] Renting a Church?
    2. Ray Marshall
    3. Mary: I have no knowledge, but I am never without opinions and guesses. By 1885 there may have been no parishioners left in at that CofI parish near Cork City. But parishes were always deemed to be sources of income for pastors and bishops. So it probably would have been permissible for a pastor to rent out the church building if it was not needed any longer. Ray Marshall Minneapolis -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Mary Simpson Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 4:48 AM To: IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com; Irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-KERRY] A conundrum Could anybody out there with some specialist knowledge give some help on an interesting puzzle that has had me wondering for some time? It concerns a very small township in the parish of Ballinhassig / Templemichael just south west of Cork city off the road to Inishannon. In 1812 a church was built ( Church of Ireland ) and a couple of years later a glebe house for the Rector, J.R. Meade, plus a school and schoolhouse. By 1860 the glebe house was " in a state of decay" and in 1884 the church " was taken down and it's glebe was sold". And in the Rate books it states that in 1885 " the old glebehouse was burned". In 1880, my g.g. grandfather is listed in the Rate Books in the Valuation Office in Dublin as renting from the incumbent Rev J Grant in fee, 5 acres of glebe, plus the dilapidated glebe house plus the schoolhouse - plus the church!!!??? By 1885 his son, my g. grandfather was listed as renting in fee the 5 acres of glebe only, later a house was added. My questions are these; 1 - How could my g.g. grandfather be renting the church? I can understand perhaps renting the land, and even maybe the schoolhouse ( his daughter in law, my g. grandmother was meant to have been a teacher ) but how could the church be rented by him? Especially as it was still in use. 2 - Is it at all possible, given the period ( 1884 - 1885 ) that the Land Wars could have come into it? I can find no hard evidence, but there is a family story of "land trouble and dispossession" at this period. Does anybody have any idea of further sources of information covering this period of time and place ( Cork )? I have looked at the Church of Ireland sources for the parish, but they only state the bare facts, and not the history behind it. By the way, my family were Catholic, although they were buried in the little churchyard along with their Protestant neighbours. Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 6/7/2007 2:21 PM

    06/07/2007 11:13:19
    1. [IRL-KERRY] Edward SHEA/ birth: Kerry Ireland about 1821
    2. N. Schmitz
    3. Edward Shea was my great grandfather, born in Kerry, Ireland. He went to Nova Scotia, Canada by about 1847 where his children, Mary Ellen, John, Edward and Bridget were born. Edward, his wife (my great grandmother) and family were found on the 1881 Canadian census in Georgetown Royal, Kings County, Prince Edward Island, Canada. He married Mary Diggens either in Kerry or Nova Scotia. Edward and his sons were coopers. After 1881 Edward and Mary's children moved to Duluth, Minnesota, United States of America. It is uncertain whether Edward and Mary followed them or remained in Prince Edward Island. Any suggestions or information about this family and other family relatives would be much appreciated! N. Schmitz smile@execpc.com

    06/07/2007 01:41:56
    1. [IRL-KERRY] FW: [IRELAND] Dress in Ireland - Earliest Times
    2. Ray Marshall
    3. Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:32:20 -0700 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: [IRELAND] Dress in Ireland - Earliest Times To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> SNIPPET: "A sandstone weight of spindle-whorl form, found in Ballyalton, Co. Down, suggests that, from neolithic time, wool was spun and woven in Ireland. The earliest clothing fragments extant are pieces of woollen cloth of about 1000 BC found in Killymoon, Co. Tyrone, in 1995, and wool cloth and a horsehair belt found in Cromagh, Co. Antrim, in 1904 and dated to about 750 BC. These pieces show that in the late Bronze Age vertical weighted looms, as well as looms for braid, were in use to weave fabrics in plain and sophisticated designs. According to the 'Annals of the Four Masters,' Tighearmas, king of Ireland, was the first person, in 1538 BC, to dye clothes purple, blue, and green, while eight years later Eochaid Eadghadach (Eochaid the cloth designer) ordered that the colours of clothes should denote the wearer's rank in society. The dating is suspect, but the substance carries weight, as in early Ireland the colour and length of the brat (mantle) worn was related to a person's rank in society. Status was also suggested through embroidery and the application of decorative braids, particularly to the colourful brat. The white or gel (bright or unbleached) tunic worth throughout the early historical period suggests a Roman or classical influence, as does the introduction and development of fibulae which indicate the use of fine cloth, possibly linen. The Roman code of hygiene may also have influenced the dictate that certain classes in society had their clothes washed every day. Class rather than gender was thus the main distinguishing feature in dress styles in early Ireland. The less well-off workers wore short tunics and skimpy mantles or tight trews with a small jacket, all dyed in less expensive colours. As elsewhere throughout Europe, from about the 8th century women in Ireland began to wear layers of tunics and married women started to cover their heads. Men of all ranks changed to favour the styles worn throughout the Viking world: trews with about knee-length tunics. Irishmen also wore a cochallo or hooded mantle and a large mantle overall. By the 10th century the regular supply of Andalusian and Byzantine silks, satins, and gold braids added luxury to the homespun and locally dyed woollens and linens. In the late 12th century the Anglo-Normans introduced technical improvements such as horizontal loom and probably the fulling mill, spinning wheel, and carding, much of the machinery known to this day. They also introduced a new dress style. The wealthy followed the modes of London and western Europe: men wore breeches, kirtles (a sleeved full-length garment worn over the smock and under the surcoat), and surcoats (a long, loose outer garment), while women wore a chemise under a kirtle of fine wool. Mantles, tied with a lace on the chest, were worn by both sexes, although of different lengths for each. The clothes worn by both sexes were colorful and the belts were frequently heavy, ornate, and expensive. The clean-shaven, short-hair appearance of the male contrasted with the native Irish who favoured facial hair and a culan hairstyle in which the front of the head was shaved and the hair left long at the back. The adoption by the colonists or their descendants of native styles in dress and hair was condemned in the Statute of Kilkenny and other medieval enactments." -- Excerpt, Mairead DUNLEVY, "Dress in Ireland" (1989).

    06/07/2007 01:00:34
    1. [IRL-KERRY] Killarney marriage records
    2. Mary Simpson
    3. Thank you to everybody who replied to my query about mid 19th century Marriage records in Killarney, it's always an encouragement to hear from others in what can be a long, long, frustrating slog! But..... I have found loads of cousins in Ireland, England, and Australia that I never knew existed. And also the sadness of a great grandmother and great great grandmother from Kerry and Cork, dying of TB and exhaustion in the workhouse. Mary

    06/06/2007 05:58:01
    1. [IRL-KERRY] Reidys from the Castleisland Area
    2. Ray Marshall
    3. Ann I'm pretty sure that Reid and Reidy are two different names. All of my Reidys came from the Castleisland, County Kerry, area and there are a bunch of us searching and trying to make contacts with each other. This is a pretty up-to-date list as far as I know. Ray Marshall Minneapolis Castleisland, County Kerry, Reidys My ggf, Jeremiah Reidy, emigrated from Kerry in 1872. I was fortunate in that I had two great aunts who were able to tell me exactly where he was born. I have been engaged in researching the family since the 1970s and have discovered a whole raft of Reidys from Castleisland and vicinity - 31 families or branches of families, to be exact. There were over 100 families with the name Reidy in County Kerry on the 1901 or 1911 Census. Other major concentrations of Reidys are found in County Clare and County Tipperary. I have read that there were many in County Derry (Londonderry) back in the days before the Scottish Plantations in 1600. My Jeremiah came from Meenleitrim North townland just north of Castleisland in Castleisland Civil Parish. Meenleitrim North and South were located in Brosna Catholic Parish until 1916 until the western, Castleisland portion of that parish split off from Brosna and formed Knocknagoshel Catholic parish. If you can't find them in Castleisland, numbers of Reidy families are found in Griffiths Valuation in the following County Kerry Civil Parishes: Castleisland (72); Ballincuslane (13); O'Brennan (8); Ballymacelligott (5); Killeentierna (5); (Novahal 5); Currans (4); Dysert (2); Duagh (1); and Brosna (1). These are all near Castleisland. Other Kerry Civil Parishes with a Significant number of Reidy families can be found in the following Civil Parishes: Ballyduff (9); Tralee (7); Killarney (6) and Kilmoyly (5). Here is a list of what I have found on the Kerry list and the people researching them. Unfortunately, as many as there are, we haven't been able to put much together. Castleisland Researchers Index Ray Marshall 1 - 2 - 3 - 24 - 28 - 31 John Woestman 1. Mary Woestman 1. Dan Sullivan 4 Fran (efensea) 4 David Brosnahan 5 Anne Fenwick 6 Michael Reidy 7 James Laveque 9 - 14 Susan Gibbons 9 - 14 John Handley 10 Barbara Wright 11 Janet Lyons 11 Ann Brown-Javier 12 - 2 Rosemary Buettner 13 Tom Lane 15 Dolores O'Keeffe 16 - 20 Pam Finnegan Boice 17 Margaret O'Brien 18 Diane Dickie 19 Charles Sheard 20 Dorothy Reidy Conti 21 Mike Bresnehan 22 David John Reidy 23 Billy Marshall 24 Michael Cullinane 25 John/Siobhan Mulhern 26 Mary Blanche Sullivan 28 George Ready 28 Jane Dowling 29 Thorburn 30 Ray Curtis 31 - 1 Colleen Ann (Reidy) Cross 32 1). Denis Reidy, Meenleitrim, Knocknagoshel b. c. 1810 married Catherine Aherne (Hartnett?) (Ray Marshall in Minneapolis, MN, raymarsh@mninter.net searching) Maurice, b. c. 1835, married Nora Gaeney, remained in Ireland Catherine 1860 married Brian O'Rourke in NY c. 1902 (John Woestman jwwoest@juno.com and Mary Woestman marywoes@epix.net searching) Johanna 1866 Margaret 1872, married John O'Connor Maurice 1879 Hannah married Paddy O'Sullivan Change 2005: Mary C. Woestman: (email:marywoes@epix.net) Catherine Reidy (b. c 1880 in Castleisland or Knocknagoshel, Co Kerry), emigrated to New York City c 1900, m. Brian O'Rourke, formerly of Brosna, in 1902. They lived at 209 E. 93rd and had seven children. Catherine had a sister, Margaret, who mar. John O'Conner. They also lived in NYC at 76th and 3rd Ave. Margaret and Catherine had a brother named either James or Edward who was killed in the great earthquake in San Francisco. ------------ Denis 1840 married Catherine Murphy 1847, d. of Edmund, Meenganear, emigrated 1872 to Negaunee, Michigan Jeremiah 1841 emigrated 1872 to Negaunee, Michigan. Married Mary Ann Laughlin, d. of Daniel Loughnane? of Scartaglin, Castleisland and Hanora Flynn, d. of Maurice Flynn, of Duagh, Kerry, about 1875 in Negaunee, Michigan. Catherine 1847 married Michael Murphy s. of Edmund Murphy, Meenganear. Catherine Murphy married to Denis Reidy and Michael Murphy were siblings. 2). Ellen Reidy c. 1810 married Dennis McAuliffe c. 1810 (Ray Marshall raymarsh@mninter.net searching) (See No. 12 below for a possible match) John McAuliffe b 1843 Meenleitrim married Mary Reidy b 1849 dau. Of John Thomas Reidy (No. III below); emigrated 1872 to Negaunee, Michigan. 3). John Thomas Reidy b. c. 1810 married Catherine Dillion (Ray Marshall raymarsh@mninter.net searching) 1. Andrew b. 1836 emigrated 1870s to Negaunee, Michigan. 2. Patrick b. 1846 emigrated 1870s to Negaunee, Michigan. 3. Mary b 1849 married John McAuliffe b 1843 Meenleitrim (see No. II above). 4. Johanna Reidy, b.1856, d. 1883, St. Ignace, Michigan married John Murphy (1846-1933) (Michael Harty searching) (Jack Izzard Searching) The 4 Murphy children were raised by John & Mary Reidy McAuliffe (See II above) in Negaunee after the death from TB of Johanna Reidy Murphy. John James Murphy 1875-1927 Patrick Murphy 1879-1931 Catherine Murphy 1881- Johanna Murphy 1877-1953 4). Thomas Reidy b 1835, Crinnie, married Helen Brosnan b 1840 (Dan Sullivan, Chicago, searching; email address no longer works). Thomas b 1866 married Abbey O'Connell. David b 1867 Jeremiah b 1868 Michael b 1869 Mary b 1871 married Michael J. O'Sullivan, Crinnie Eileen b 1876 Cornelius b 1878, resided Mien, father Thomas, farmer, married on 27 Feb 1900, Knocknagoshel Chapel, Nora Brosnan, of full age, resided, Brouchane, father Cornelius, farmer. (Fran efensea@optusnet.com.au searching) Patrick married Catherine Crimmons 5). David Michael Reidy b 1840 married Mary Sheehan), emigrated to Washington, D.C. (David Brosnahan go2ireland@aol.com searching 6). James Reidy b 1840, married Elizabeth Walsh (Anne Fenwick mfenwick@es.co.nz searching) emigrated to New Zealand. Email not working. Margaret Reidy b. 18 Aug 1867 Mary Reidy 7). Joseph Reidy b c 1810, Castleisland (Michael Reidy Michael@mfreidy.com searching). John Reidy b. c. 1840, Castleisland, married Mary O'Brien (emigrated to Worcester, MA ca. 1860). Margaret Reidy, remained in Ireland, never found Michael John (Jack) Reidy Maurice Francis Reidy, Worcester, MA 8). David Reidy b. c.1855 Castleisland married Joanna Lawlor (unknown searching) emigrated to Chicago. 9). Daniel Reidy b. c. 1910 and Margaret Sharp OR Henry Reidy b. c. 1810 and Catherine Barrett (James LaVeque jim040@hotmail.com searching). See No. 14. (Susan Gibbons sagibbons917@earthlink.net searching). See No. 14. Johanna Reidy b. 1833 or 1838 married Timothy Downey, Meenyvoughan, Brosna Emigrated to Preston, NY Catherine Reidy b. c. 1840 married James Mahony b. c. 1832. Daniel Reidy Edward Reidy Hanora Reidy, lived in Valparaiso, IN 10). John Reidy b. c. 1815 mar. Margaret Sullivan 9 Feb 1839 Castleisland, emig, to Sedalia, MO. (John Handley pjhjr@juno.com searching) Hanora Reidy b. 22 Dec 1839 mar Michael Sullivan, b. 1832, Curragh ----- 11). Hanora Reidy b. c. 1785 married Patrick Mahony (Barbara Wright wrightb@caves.net searching) John b 1815 (Janet Lyons lyonsjanet@mcleodusa.net searching 8 known children: John Mahony, b. 1810, Currans, Kerry, Ireland, married Margaret unknown. Children born in Ireland, Vermont, New York, Canada and Oxford, IA Patrick Mahony, married Hanora unknown Ellen Mahony b 1823 married Thomas O'Rourke 2 children Ireland (died young), 2 in NY and 5 in Oxford, IA ------------------------------- Change: 2005 Barbara Wright: (email:wrightb@caves.net) Hanora Reidy, Castleisland, Co. Kerry, m. John Mahoney. Children: John,b.1815, Parish of Currans, County Kerry, Patrick, b.1816, Hanora,b.1817, Ellen,b.1823. Children settled in Oxford,Iowa USA around 1859. Ellen m. Thomas O'Rourke. Hanora Reidy and John Mahoney are my ggggrandparents. ----- 12). Lawrence Reidy b. c. 1770 married Mary Daly (Ann Brown-Javier asbj56@aol.com searching). Lawrence possibly son of William Ready and Margaret O'Neill Aileen/Ellen Reidy b.c. 1800 married Denis McAuliffe, Knocknagoshel ca 1830 (possible match with No. II above). Timothy (Tade) b. c. 1836 Knockbrack ----- 13). Reidy b. c. 1800 (Rosemary Buettner rosemarybuettner@cs.com searching). Hanora b.c. 1824 married John Dillon, emigrated to Syracuse, NY. Patrick b. 1833 married Margaret O'Brien, emigrated to Syracuse. Andrew b. 1838 married Ellen (Nell) Reidy, non-relative, emigrated to Syracuse. Michael married Kate Sullivan Kate married William McDonough Ellen married Patrick Bresnihan ----- 14. Edward Reidy b. ca. 1800, Ireland, d. Ireland, married Mary Kelly, in 1830 in the Parish of Currow. Mary was born ca. 1810 in Gloundaeigh. She emigrated between 1880-94 and died in Preston, NY, in 1898. (Susan Gibbons sagibbons917@earthlink.net searching). See No. 9. (James LaVeque jim040@hotmail.com searching). See No. 9. Children: (1) Hanora (1832-1917) m. Michael Prindiville, lived in Valparaiso, IN. (2) Daniel (1833-1894) m. Margaret Redden, lived in Preston, NY. (3) Catharine (1837-1920) m. John Mahoney, lived in Valparaiso and Fort Wayne, IN. (4) Johanna (1838-1919) m. Timothy Downey, these are my ggrandparents. Timothy died in Ireland, Johanna came to Preston, NY with five of her children in 1884. Her three oldest boys had come over earlier. (5) Edward (1842-bet. 1904/15) m. Johanna Healy, lived in Chicago, IL. (6) Margaret (b. 1846) - no other information. (7) Patrick (b. 1847) - no other information. Except for Margaret and Patrick, I have many more details on the families of Edward and Mary's children that I'm happy to share. I'd also love to compare notes with anyone else who has been chasing this Reidy line. 15). John Reidy married Hanora unknown (Tom Lane lanesfarm1888@yahoo.com searching). Hanna Reidy married Denis Graney, emigrated to Lowell, MA. Hanna married unknown Gleason. Mary married unknown Lane. Kate. John. 16). Maurice Reidy married Hanna Rooney. (Dolores O'Keeffe Doll414@aol.com searching) (See 20) Minnie Teresa Reidy b. 1874 emig. 1892, married Charles Clark, Mass. Margaret Reidy b. 1876, emig. 1892, married Michael Walsh, Brooklyn Ellen Reidy b. 1878 Thomas Maurice Reidy b. 1881, d. 1933, emm. 1895 Nora Reidy b. 1893 Michael Reidy b. 1894 17). Maurice Reidy married Hanora O'Sullivan (Honora Sullivan) 26 Feb 1876, Castleisland. (Pam Finnegan Boice boice@attbi.net searching) Margaret b. 1878, mar. Joseph Finnegan of Killarney in Boston 17 Jul 1910 Noreen Kathleen Cecilia Maurice 18). Michael Reidy married Nora Donoghue from Lackfuder, Knocknagoshel (Margaret O'Brien in London, UK Annette.obrien78@btopenworld.com searching) Tom Reidy b. Dec 1909 Knockachur mar. Margaret Lane, Brosna in Feb 1936 Jack Mortimer (Mot) Kit Nell May emigrated to America Nora emigrated to England 19). David Reidy, born ca.1810, was a tailor. Children: James Reidy, b. Feb 1839, Tralee, served in English Army, discharged Portsmouth, d. 3 Jul 1902, Portsmouth, mar. Mary Ann Smith of Portsea, Hampshire, in Portsea, 21 Jul 1879. (Diane Dickie dondiane@sympatico.ca searching) also: [Not sure which one is most current] Searching for connections to James Reidy b. 1839, County Kerry, Ireland, d. Dec 21, 1900 in Glossop, England. He married Mary A. Burgess b. abt 1853 in Portsmouth, England. Their children were: 1) Mary Ann Eliza Reidy, b. Sep 6 1885 in Portsmouth, England, d. Dec 29, 1969 in British Columbia, m. Arnold Wilkinson 2) Fanny Reidy m. Jock Scott 3) Louise Reidy 4) Elizabeth m. Henry Ernest Kimber. Children: Elizabeth Lillian Reidy, b. 27 Dec 1881, Portsmouth, mar. Henry W.E. Kimber (No surviving offspring) Fanny Ellen Reidy, b. 21 Sep 1883, Portsmouth, mar. George Scott, emig. Canada, descendents living in Victoria, B.C. Mary Ann Eliza Reidy, b. 8 Sep 1885, Portsmouth, mar. Arnold Wilkinson, emig. Canada, many descendents living in Canada. 20). Maurice Reidy, Castleisland, mar. Hanora Rooney, ca. 1875 (Charles R. Sheard sheardc@gtlaw.com ) searching) (Dolores O'Keeffe doll414@aol.com searching) (See 16) Children: Margaret Reidy, b. ca. 1876, mar. Michael Walsh Children: James, Nora, Michael, Margaret, Katherine Ellen Reidy, b. ca. 1878, mar. Eugene McGillicuddy Children: Maurice, Eugene, Nora Dora Reidy, b. Ca. 1883, mar. Brian Sweeney Children: Nora/Noreen, Julia, Marie Mary Theresa (Minnie) Reidy, b. ca. 1887, emig. To Boston, mar. 25 Jan 1901, Charles E. Clark in Taunton, MA. Children: Mary/Mae, Anna, Irene Esther, Margaret/Marjorie, Charles, Lillian Thomas Reidy, mar. Della Sullivan Children: Eugene, Joseph, Nora Michael Reidy, b. 1894, mar. Mary Murphy Children: Nora, Julia, Maurice 21). John Reidy, Castleisland, mar. Bridgett O'Connor (Dorothy Reidy Conti drconti1@aol.com searching) Children Michael John Reidy, b. ca. 1880, Castleisland, emig. USA 1900-10 David Reidy 22). Daniel Reidy mar. Anna Rae (Honora, Nora) unknown (Mike Bresnehan irish@ncia.net searching) Children Catherine, bap. 25 Mar 1849, Curraheen Townland Maurice, bap. 3 July 1854 John, bap. 14 Sep 1856, Dulargue Townland Ellen (Ready), 14 Oct 1861, Castleisland, Glenlauren Townland, d. 1936, Manchester, NH, married Richard Prendeville in Ireland Children: Elizabeth R. Ready, b. 1894, emig. To US in Lawrence, MA in 1905 and Manchester, NH in 1909 where she mar. Michael J. Bresnehan on Jan. 11. Josephine Ready, b. 1886, died 1951, Manchester, NH, married unk. Lupien. 23. Edmund Reidy, Castleisland, mar. Katherine Heffernan, moved to London, Eng. ca. 1899. (David John Reidy david@dreidy.freeserve.co.uk searching) 24). Jeremiah Reidy, Lackfuader? (Lackbrooder), Ballincuslane, b. ca. 1830 (Ray Marshall in Minneapolis, MN, raymarsh@mninter.net and Billy Marshall (our relationship is through the Reidy name only) in Binfield, Berkshire, forum@cwcom.net searching) See I, Above. Children Mary Reidy, b. ca. 1860, married James Marshall, "Knockacharain" (Knockafreaghaun, Brosna?) 12 April 1883 in Knocknagoshel Chapel. 25), John Cullinane married Catherine Reidy. Michael Cullinane (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ccfgpw/lds-0093.htm ) searching. * Denis Cullinane (bap 25 May, 1828 at Castleisland, County Kerry). * Mary Cullinane (bap 4 June, 1831 at Castleisland, County Kerry). * Daniel Cullinane (bap 12 February, 1837 at Castleisland, County Kerry). * Michael Cullinane (bap 4 August, 1840 at Castleisland, County Kerry). * Catherine Cullinane (bap 13 May, 1846 at Castleisland, County Kerry). * Margaret Cullinane (bap 30 April, 1849 at Castleisland, County Kerry). Daniel Cullinane married Elizabeth Reidy. * Catherine Cullinane (bap 7 October, 1827 at Castleisland, County Kerry). John Cullinane. Married Catherine Reidy on 10 December, 1826 at Castleisland, County Kerry. Catherine Cullinane. Married Denis Reidy on 4 February, 1860 at Castleisland, County Kerry. 26). Dennis Reidy, b. c 1865, married Ellen? McElligott John & Siobhan Mulhern ( ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mulhern/ ) searching. Hannah Reidy, b. ca. 1895, Co. Kerry, d. Gortatlea, Ballymcelligott, Kerry, married Thomas McQuinn ca 1915 in County Kerry. Children: Margaret Daniel Thomas Denis Mary Christina b. 1933 Gortatlea Terrance Helen Nora Patrick Michael Julia 27). ST. PATRICK CATHOLIC CEMETERY Maple Grove Township, Manitowoc Co., Wisconsin http://www.2manitowoc.com/55.html REIDY: Elizabeth/1892- (b. 7 Apr. 1892/d. July 1981/SSDI), ossw: Jeremiah/1878-1959 Timothy Reidy/1888-1917, next to: Katherine Reidy/born in Ireland 1843/died Oct. 15, 1908, next to: Jeremiah Reidy/born in County/Kerry, Ireland/Aug. 6, 1837/died Oct. 6, 1905 Daniel/1879-1936, ossw: Elizabeth H./1892-1954 Ellen/wife of/James/Reidy/born/County Kerry, Ireland/died/Jan. 13, 1899/aged 88 years, next to: My Celia see BURKE Martin Reidy/native of Co. Kerry/Ireland/died Oct. 25, 1914/aged 80 years, ossw: Anastasia MURPHY/Wife of/Martin Reidy/native of Co. Carlow/Ireland/ died/Nov. 5, 1913/aged 70 years 28). Uknown "General" Reidy, British Army George Ready ( georgeready@hotmail.com ) searching Ray Marshall ( raymarsh@mninter.net ) searching Mary Blanche Sullivan ( auntlahlee@comcast.net ) searching Mary Reidy, b. 1842, Meenleitrim, Brosna RC Parish, Castleisland Civil Parish, d. St. Louis, MO, 1922 Married Dennis Sullivan, 1856, Pittsburgh John Reidy Note: there is a John Reidy living in Meenlietrim North in the year 2004. My great-great grandmother was Mary Ready, married to Dennis Sullivan also of County Kerry. Mary Ready Sullivan was born in Benlietrum (Meenlietrum). According to her death certificate, her father's name was John. We have two different dates of birth for her. According to family lore, she was born on Good Friday, 1842. According to her death certificate, she was born on January 10, 1836. Family lore also has that her father served in the British military - possibly Royal Navy. Mary had a brother John. According to the 1900 census, Mary came to the United States in 1854. According to the 1910 census, it was 1850. Dennis Sullivan came later in 1855. Mary Ready and Dennis Sullivan were married in Pittsburgh, PA in March of 1856. Witnesses to the marriage were Michael Mulvohil and Helena Costello. According to records that were in my great-aunt's attic, Mary's mother's name could possibly had been Sarah Albina or Alvina. However, on her death certificate, her mother's name was not listed. Mary died in St. Louis in October of 1922 at her daughter-in-law's home. [Also] My Great-great grandmother was Mary Reidy (also spelled Ready), born in Benleitrim aka Meenleitrim Good Friday, 1842. She married Dennis Sullivan in Pittsburgh, PA in 1856, and the family was in Missouri by 1860 (Hi John). She died October 22, 1922 in St. Louis, and was taken back to be buried in Sedalia, Missouri. She had two brothers that we know of, John Joseph Ready of Meridian, Mississippi and a brother Maurice that was in Vicksburg, MS. (Hi George). The family story that helped George and my sister and I to connect was about my great-uncle John Berchman Sullivan. John B. was a U.S. Representative for Missouri in the 1940's. He died in D.C. in January of 1951. His wife, Lenore Kretzer Sullivan later ran for and won his seat. She served for 24 years (we can blame child safety caps on asprin on her). George's family story had them as being Mary's son and daughter-in-law. John B was actually her grandson. On the 1880 census for Kelly Twp. Cooper County, Missouri,! there was a Daniel Reidy (also looks like Rudy) that lived on the farm next door to Dennis and Mary. He and his wife had several daughters and two boys listed as others, last name Murphy. Only time we have seen them, not sure if related. Mary Sullivan Pittsburgh Change 2005: Mary Sullivan: (email:auntlahlee@comcast.net) My great-great grandmother, Mary Ready was born in Benlietrum (Meenlietrum),County Kerry. Her father's name was John. Mary married Dennis Sullivan,also of County Kerry, in Pittsburgh, PA in 1856. They settled in Missouri by 1860. Mary died in St. Louis in October of 1922, and was buried in Sedalia, MO. Mary had a brother John, an ancestor of George Ready, who settled in Mississippi. _________________ 29). Michael Reidy m. Barbara O'Connor Jane Dowling ( keto1@earthlink.net ) searching Simon Reidy, b. 23 May 1870 30). Mary Reidy, b. 1849, married John Brosnan, b. 1846, both in Castleisland area. [ ] thorburn@q-net.net.au searching 31). Dennis McAuliffe married Ellen Reidy ca 1840. Ray Curtis (wormseryankee@aol.com) searching She was b ca 1815 and was supposedly the dau. of Maurice Reidy b ca 1775 in Meenleitrim, Knocknagashel, Kerry, Ireland. (See 1 above) 32). Patrick Reidy married Johanna Cotter, ca. 1875, in Kerry Denis Reidy married Mary Tangney, ca 1871, in Kerry Colleen Ann (Reidy) Cross: (GrampysGurl@aol.com)searching I am in search of two Reidy families from Co. Kerry who immigrated to the U.S. in the later part of the 1800's possibly through Pennsylvania. Patrick and Johanna Cotter Reidy their children Maurice F. or Morris b. 22 Sep 1876 in Kerry d. Feb 1961 Manchester NH, Timothy 24/25 Dec 1877 in Kerry d. Jan 1963 in New Hampshire , and Johanna 21 Jul 1879 in Gortroe Ireland. My second family would consist of Denis and Mary Tangney Reidy who's children were Margaret b. 6 Dec 1872 in Kerry d. 29 Dec 1934 in Manchester NH, Michael b. 15 May 1867 in Kerry Ireland d. 8 Feb 1935 in Manchester NH, Honora 31 Aug 1865 Castleisland Kerry Ireland, and Johanna b. 5 Mar 1870. Only possible immigration records I have found are for Michael and Margaret 19 Jul 1886 into Pennsylvania on the ship the Illinois. Maurice F from the first family mentioned married Margaret of the second family sometime around 1900 in or around New Jersey. They later moved to Manchester NH by way of a short stay in Massachusetts around 1912. Their children were Mary J. b. in NJ around 1910 d. Oct 1974 in Manchester NH, Geraldine 19 Apr 1911 in Mass and d. 19 Sep 2004 in NH, Maurice Charles or Charles Maurice b. 8 Jun 1912 in NH d. 15 Feb 2001 in CT, Dorothy in NH around 1913 and Edward Lester b. around 1914 in NH. d. 1984 Endicott NY if my memory serves me correctly. If anybody has an email or other contact address for any of the following on this list, please contact me: Anne Fenwick, New Zealand, formerly at mfenwick@ihug.co.nz mfenwick@es.co.nz Brendan Reidy, UK, formerly at breidy@hackney.gov.uk Pam Finnegan Boice, formerly at boice@attbi.net Edwin O'Flynn, formerly at egsuper@hotmail.net.au Dorothy Reidy Conti, formerly at drconti1@ncia.net drconti1@aol.com Dan Sullivan, Chicago, formerly at dsull86011@aol.com Margaret O'Brien, London, UK, formerly at Annette.obrien78@btopenworld.com (The astute observer will note that it is not nice to not tell your RELATIVES when you change email addresses)! Compiled by: Ray Marshall 4052 Minnehaha Ave S. Minneapolis, MN 55406 612-721-7593 (h) raymarsh@mninter.net -----Original Message----- From: Ann W [mailto:annw659@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:03 AM To: Ray Marshall; Fintan Sheehan; carole_watts@talk21.com; IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] LOVETT James b. c. 1817 Killarney Hi, Ray, I have a Reed/Reid family that came from Ireland in 1849. We are not sure where they came from. Could you share what you have on your Reidy bunch? If you already have , I apologize for being asleep at the switch! My family settled in Washington County, NY -(Cambridge, White Creek, and Jackson). They farmed there until 1870, when they moved to Cohoes (Albany County) to work in the mills. The crowd that came from Ireland in 1849, consisted of: Thomas, b. 1789 Catherine, (wife), b. 1800 Thomas, b. @1825 (son) (my ggrandfather) Catherine, b.@ 1827(daug) Simon, b. 1836 - (son) -Simon went west to make his fortune, and died in Helena, Montana in 1881. He was a foreman at the Comet Mine. Censuses indicate that the elder Thomas and his wife had nine children -what happened to the other six is unknown -they may have died young, or chosen not to come to the U.S. Thomas (1825) m Catherine Pendergast, b. Ireland 1830 to Wm. Pendergast and Catherine O'Rourke. They married in NY state. There were 13 children. Names and spouses can be sent if any of this sounds familiar. Thanks, Ann

    06/06/2007 02:46:45
    1. Re: [IRL-KERRY] FW: Something for you Kerry Bog-Trotters!
    2. Mary Ellen Murphy
    3. My husband and I recently returned from Sneem. As we were driving to Cahirciveen one morning, 2 tour buses were stopped on the side of the road outside Waterville. The "tourists" were taking pix of 2 reeks of turf on the side of the road as well as the bog where the turf was cut by machine. My husband's sister in Kenmare had bought a tractor of turf from Waterville and gave us a couple of bags of it. There is something about the smell of turf - I remember when I first went to Ireland in the 1970s, everyone burned turf. Now in Sneem there is only 1 man who cuts the bog. MEM --- Noreen910@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 6/1/2007 9:48:31 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > raymarsh@mninter.net writes: > > Soon they will be spending millions (of other > people's money) establishing > turf cutting demonstrations so folk will be able to > learn how it was done in > the "olden days." > > Our equivalent geniuses live in New York City and > Washington, D.C. > > > Ray > > > > You know, this summer will be the first that my > husband and I will be able > to stay in our own refurbished house in Kerry and > one of the things we really > looked forward to was finding out if we had our own > section of bog to cut > turf - not that we were actually planning to, but > it's nice to know and we have > a solid fuel burning stove for heat. It's really > quite a shame that the old > ways are being phased out, the smell of turf > burning is just wonderful. I > suppose I'll be able to find some, since some of the > old timers still heat with > it, but it's sad that something so wonderful is now > frowned upon. Just wait > twenty years or so and they'll be telling everyone > that the fuel used in lieu > of turf (for the environment) is causing some new > dread disease! Lord, I do > sound cranky - sorry! > Noreen in NY > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front

    06/06/2007 11:07:40
    1. Re: [IRL-KERRY] Marriages in or near Killarney 1858-60
    2. Bernie Donaghey
    3. Hi Fintan, I got my permission faxed to the National Library, it was fairly simple. I was given a number to phone which I did (from a public phone in the Library), went off somewhere for a couple of hours and when I came back again I was able to view the films for the two parishes I had requested, I am not sure whether I would need to contact them again if I wanted to view any additional films. My feeling though is for people traveling long distances it might be best to get the permission in advance in case of any hiccups like an Eircom strike or something. Civil records for non Catholic marriages do start in 1845 but not the births as far as I am aware. I think all births (and deaths) start in 1864, although I have a few that weren't registered at all. Thanks for the will info, very interesting that some may have escaped the Four Courts fire. Bernie -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fintan Sheehan Sent: 06 June 2007 09:18 To: Mary Simpson; IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Marriages in or near Killarney 1858-60 >Would anyone know if records exist for marriages in or around Killarney >in the years 1858-60? You could write to church and ask them to search for marriage cert. Failing that National Library in Dublin have microfilms of catholic church births and marriages up to 1880. U need permission from Bishop to view them but that can be done on day by fax as far as I am aware.

    06/06/2007 07:57:53
    1. Re: [IRL-KERRY] LOVETT James b. c. 1817 Killarney
    2. Trish Jensen
    3. Hi I think Church of Ireland records date back quite a way . I seaarched at the head office in Dublin for my ggrandfather Matthew Fawkner's birth in Balbriggan Co Dublin and found it in 1797. So that is going back much further in time . I can not remember exactly where in Dublin it was ,but a short bus ride. Look on the web for the address. Trish in Sydney Hi, birth certs werent destroyed in Four Courts fire afaik,just census returns. However dont think official registration of births began by time James left for England. You could try church records. National library in Dublin have microfilm of catholic church records. Not sure about Church of Ireland or presbeterian records. Best bet is to write or phone local church to see if they have any clues. Regards, Fintan ----- Original Message ---- From: carole_ watts <carole_watts@talk21.com> To: IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 5 June, 2007 1:14:15 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] LOVETT James b. c. 1817 Killarney James LOVETT was my GGGrandfather. He was a tailor and came to London sometime before 1838 because in that year he married in St Mary's Church, St Marylebone. He married a Lucy Moncrieffe from Cork b.c.1814. James signed with a mark and his name on marriage is recorded as LOVAT but thereafter he, his wife and all the offspring used the spelling LOVETT. I can track his life in England by census returns - he lived first in Somers Town [St Pancras], later in South London and died in a workhouse infirmary in Mile End New Town aged 75 years in 1892. Lucy died in 1859 aged 45 in Somers Town and James remarried and had more children. I've recently visited Killarney in the hopes of finding some information about James' family of origin and earlier life but I have drawn a blank so far, partly because the centrally held birth records for kerry were destroyed in Dublin in 1922 and partly because I don't know in which parish he was born. Since he was a tailor, I guess he likely lived in or near Killarney Town. I'm also not sure about his religion. At that time in Kerry almost everyone will have been Roman Catholic, but James married in a Church of England Church. His father is recorded on the marriage certificate as John LOVAT[sic], labourer. I've comissioned a search but will not hear anything until later in June. Any help would be much appreciated. I asked, while in Kerry, at Tourist Information Centres and Registrars and tried the advertised Genealogical Record Centre in Killarney which proved to be entirely inaccessible. Kerry is so beautiful and the people were so friendly and welcoming, I feel proud that my ancestors came from this part of the world. Surely they have left a mark somewhere? Carole --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 3/06/2007 12:47 PM

    06/06/2007 04:29:55
    1. Re: [IRL-KERRY] Marriages in or near Killarney 1858-60
    2. Fintan Sheehan
    3. >Would anyone know if records exist for marriages in or around Killarney >in the years 1858-60? You could write to church and ask them to search for marriage cert. Failing that National Library in Dublin have microfilms of catholic church births and marriages up to 1880. U need permission from Bishop to view them but that can be done on day by fax as far as I am aware. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

    06/06/2007 02:17:52
    1. Re: [IRL-KERRY] LOVETT James b. c. 1817 Killarney
    2. Fintan Sheehan
    3. >FYI to all on the list, in case some are unsure of the year that official registration of births in Ireland, it was 1864. Hope this helps anyone who may >have had any questions. Hi, I think it was 1864 for catholic births but church of Ireland(anglican) and presbeterian births were offically registered starting since 1845 I think Fintan http://www.myirishancestry.com ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

    06/06/2007 02:14:58
    1. Re: [IRL-KERRY] LOVETT James b. c. 1817 Killarney
    2. Fintan Sheehan
    3. >I believe most of the Wills of Ireland were also destroyed in the Four >Courts incident, Fintan. The National Archives in Kevin Street have index books for wills. Spotted a will from my great-grandfather from Keel-Kilgarrylander from 1860's (near castlemaine) and retrieved it with help from a professional. It was lodged in Limerick office in 1800's so just wondering if other Kerry wills survived? Initially when I filled out a 'seach request' in National Archives they couldnt find it but decided to hire a professional for one and only time for an hour and she found it. AFAIK kerry wills would have been deposited in Limerick or Cork. They may have been moved to four courts but some must have survived. In index books in National Archives cover all 'perogative'? wills for whole country. They are quite easy to search through from what I remember but just give a name and area. Regards Fintan http://www.myirishancestry.com ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html

    06/06/2007 02:11:32
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