Welcome back Jack - nice to see you enjoyed your vacation and back with your charming wit. Liz ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Gout can be a "man who's enjoying life too much disease". Too much good food and good drink, sir! I suggest a month in a monastery on a diet of potatoes and bog water, with absolutely no Chianti. There does seem to be a boom in Irish cider, if it is any consolation....until such time as the full effects of global warming kick in and they're growing Chianti on the slopes of South Kerry... Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Marshall" <raymarsh@mninter.net> To: "John L. Sweeney" <sweelab@enter.net>; <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes > When I heard that I had "gout", I was really depressed because I thought > it > was an "old man's disease. > > But then I learned that it was most common in women and young men. O > Happy > Day! > > That was after the pain went away. > > > Ray > Looking forward to some chianti (cheap) later, in Minneapolis > How come there are no Irish wines? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John L. Sweeney > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:43 PM > To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church > Parishes > > Good Evening All: > > > > I usually pick Ray Marshall, he's got nothing to do but pop pills and > drink > cheap Italian wine for his gout. It's like trying to hold back the tide. > Pity that. > > Love, Jack Sweeney, in very wet and noisey Palmer, Pennsylvania where > there's one hell of a thunder storm going on right now. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

A the old civil parish of Aglish is in the Catholic parish of Firies, they have births and marriages from about 1830, and some births and marriages from the 1880-90s listed in volume 8 of the O'Kiefe, Coshe Mang, Slieve Loughter and Upper Blackwater in Ireland, by Dr A.E.Casey, Mary

Jack, Thank the lord! You're back. You were gone so long I thought you were a 'goner'. Glad to hear you and your sense of humor are still intact. Welcome home! Pat in sunny, hot but breezy South Florida .In a message dated 7/10/2007 6:43:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sweelab@enter.net writes: Back from a well earned vacation and roaring to get back to the Kerry List and be of some help or at least pointing guidance towards someone who can actually be of assistance. I usually pick Ray Marshall, he's got nothing to do but pop pills and drink cheap Italian wine for his gout. It's like trying to hold back the tide. Pity that. Love, Jack Sweeney, in very wet and noisey Palmer, Pennsylvania where there's one hell of a thunder storm going on right now. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Actually, I think it's 'time' the Church started thinking (seriously) about married priests. Otherwise there will come a time when we won't have any. If I was a man I wouldn't be a priest because I couldn't get married. What a lonely life! And I can't blame them either. (And a married priest would understand the problems of a family better, too, because he'd have a family himself). What do you think? Pat In a message dated 7/10/2007 12:24:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, raymarsh@mninter.net writes: Priest shortage crisis as five clergy retire By: Eve Kelliher THE Bishop of Kerry has announced a major reshuffle of clergy in the diocese with five senior priests retiring from service. The changes will take effect from Wednesday, July 18 and they further highlight a serious shortage of priests in the diocese, with five retiring and just one ordination forthcoming. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Dear Paul and Ray and anyone else who is curious: What, pray tell, are "oenophiles"? There are many swamps in Minnesota, due to an overabundance of lakes, but "bogs" no. However, it is much more magical to speak of swamps as bogs. Also, grape vines will not grow at all in excessively damp earth, thus no possibility of grapes and by default, no wine either. Good night all, love, Jack Sweeney, Palmer, Pennsylvania which has no earth or climate needed by grape vines, thus no grapes and no wine. However, gin is something else.

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A very kind woman noticed that I was researching my KELLY family from Utah, and sent me a link to Utah newspapers online. It is free to search digital copies of articles, see the available papers at : http://www.lib.utah.edu/digital/unews/ My great-great uncle, JOHN P. KELLY, emigrated from Co. Kerry, Ireland, abt. 1879. He was naturalized in Utah, and worked in the silver and lead mines in Park City for nearly 40 years. He married Elizabeth HEALY, who was from Burlington, VT. Starting in 1879, they had 7 children, John C. KELLY, May, Florence, Irene Lulu, James, William, and Stewart (William and Stewart may be the same person, I found a Park City marriage for William Stewart KELLY). I found Park City newspaper articles in The Park Record for John P., his wife, and many of their children. It was so exciting to see these articles and get a feel for the personalities of my ancestors, as well as getting some facts for them. I hope those of you with Utah ancestors can find use of these newspaper articles. (As far as a New England connection goes, John P. Kelly's brother, Patrick, also worked in the Utah mines for a time, but later settled in Hadley, Massachusetts in 1886.) Hope this helps someone! ~Patsy~

Do you suppose, Paul, that growing chianti grapes in bogs might give the wine a smoky flavor that might be deemed quite desirable by oenophiles? Just wondering. The famine historians say that praties and milk was a quite adequate diet (if boring) for our ancestors. I don't know about praties and bogwater. Ray Marshall In Minnesota, where we have lots of bogs, too. We've even got commercial vineyards; so why doesn't Kerry? -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Paul Leahy Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:31 PM To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parish Gout can be a "man who's enjoying life too much disease". Too much good food and good drink, sir! I suggest a month in a monastery on a diet of potatoes and bog water, with absolutely no Chianti. There does seem to be a boom in Irish cider, if it is any consolation....until such time as the full effects of global warming kick in and they're growing Chianti on the slopes of South Kerry... Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Marshall" <raymarsh@mninter.net> To: "John L. Sweeney" <sweelab@enter.net>; <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes > When I heard that I had "gout", I was really depressed because I thought > it > was an "old man's disease. > > But then I learned that it was most common in women and young men. O > Happy > Day! > > That was after the pain went away. > > > Ray > Looking forward to some chianti (cheap) later, in Minneapolis > How come there are no Irish wines? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John L. Sweeney > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:43 PM > To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church > Parishes > > Good Evening All: > > > > I usually pick Ray Marshall, he's got nothing to do but pop pills and > drink > cheap Italian wine for his gout. It's like trying to hold back the tide. > Pity that. > > Love, Jack Sweeney, in very wet and noisey Palmer, Pennsylvania where > there's one hell of a thunder storm going on right now. > > >

Good Evening All: Does anyone know who this is? == biermajw@notes.udayton.edu I noticed the University of Dayton, that's in Ohio I think, it's right next to Pennsylvania and has a large Amish population too. Back from a well earned vacation and roaring to get back to the Kerry List and be of some help or at least pointing guidance towards someone who can actually be of assistance. I usually pick Ray Marshall, he's got nothing to do but pop pills and drink cheap Italian wine for his gout. It's like trying to hold back the tide. Pity that. Love, Jack Sweeney, in very wet and noisey Palmer, Pennsylvania where there's one hell of a thunder storm going on right now.

When I heard that I had "gout", I was really depressed because I thought it was an "old man's disease. But then I learned that it was most common in women and young men. O Happy Day! That was after the pain went away. Ray Looking forward to some chianti (cheap) later, in Minneapolis How come there are no Irish wines? -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John L. Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:43 PM To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes Good Evening All: I usually pick Ray Marshall, he's got nothing to do but pop pills and drink cheap Italian wine for his gout. It's like trying to hold back the tide. Pity that. Love, Jack Sweeney, in very wet and noisey Palmer, Pennsylvania where there's one hell of a thunder storm going on right now.

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Hi, I'm thoroughly confused about civil parishes and church parishes - If I have a list of civil parishes, and I'd like to find out which church parish covers each, how do I go about this? I've been googling it and searching it for the last half hour to no avail. i.e. The civil Parish of Aglish - which Roman Catholic church or parish will have the records? Thank you. -A

The Civil Parishes roughly have the borders that the church parishes did when the Church of Ireland was established in the 1530s or so. They were the primary government subdivisions in the 19th century, along with Baronies and Townlands I believe that they also served as the parishes for the Church of Ireland but inasmuch as most CofI adherents moved away, surely there must have been some consolidation. The Roman Catholic Parishes have changed many times over the years as the Catholic population increased, and then fell after the Great Famine of the late 1840s. You can find small maps of the Kerry Civil Parishes and Roman Catholic Parishes on the Kerry Web Page (where else?). http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/civparlist.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/towna.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/kerrypar.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/parishx2.html The only townland location maps that I have ever seen, other than the occasional effort by a volunteer, are those found on the microfiche copies of Griffiths Valuation. The definitive source for determining where your records are located and what years are available probably would be "Irish Records, Sources for Family & Local History" by James G. Ryan. The book is now in its second edition (1997) which is greatly revised from the first (1988) and has about 100 more pages. It is expensive, so try to find it at a library or inter-library loan. Ray Marshall Minneapolis, where we're having a loverly Summer, awaiting the results on the prognosis for one J. Sweeney who returned from vacation much the worse for the wear. I think the man still thinks he is a youth. -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of mave77@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:58 AM To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Civil Parishes: Where to figure out Church Parishes Hi, I'm thoroughly confused about civil parishes and church parishes - If I have a list of civil parishes, and I'd like to find out which church parish covers each, how do I go about this? I've been googling it and searching it for the last half hour to no avail. i.e. The civil Parish of Aglish - which Roman Catholic church or parish will have the records? Thank you. -A

http://www.the-kingdom.ie/news/story.asp?j=24538 Priest shortage crisis as five clergy retire By: Eve Kelliher THE Bishop of Kerry has announced a major reshuffle of clergy in the diocese with five senior priests retiring from service. The changes will take effect from Wednesday, July 18 and they further highlight a serious shortage of priests in the diocese, with five retiring and just one ordination forthcoming. Parishioners will bid farewell to five popular and long-serving clergymen who will retire in July. These include Dingle PP Monsignor P·draig " Fiannachta, Ballyheigue PP Fr Tom Pierse and Canon Patrick Horgan who has served in Rathmore for many years. Also retiring are Glenflesk native Fr Roger Kelleher, who was parish priest in Firies and Fr Michael O'Leary, the Ballymacelligott priest who was seriously injured in a dastardly late night attack near his home last year. Canon Patrick Horgan will become an assistant priest at St Mary's Cathedral in Killarney, while Fr O'Leary will help out with parish duties at St John's in Tralee. Popular Kilcummin parish priest, Fr Tom Looney, moves to Dingle while Fr Tom Leane, parish priest of Our Lady and St Brendan's, Tralee, transfers to take the helm of the parish in Ballyheigue. Fr Larry Kelly moves from Milltown to Rathmore and he will be replaced in Milltown by Fr Pat O'Donnell who had been chaplain at the Institute of Technology in Tralee. Fr Danny Broderick, who has been parish priest in PP, Dromid, Waterville, now becomes parish priest of Our Lady and St Brendan's, Tralee, while Fr Joseph Begley, leaves the teaching staff at St Brendan's College to become parish priest in Kilcummin. Fr Noel Spring, who has served as administrator in Firies, now becomes parish priest there, while Fr Pat Crean-Lynch, a curate in Ken-mare, has been appointed parish priest of Ballymacel-Fr Kevin Sullivan, a curate who had been attached to Our Lady and St Brendan's, Tralee, becomes chaplain of the Institute of Technology, Tralee, while Fr John Kerin, a curate in Rathmore, has been elevated to the post of parish priest in Dromid, Waterville. Fr Padraig Kennelly, a long-time curate in Castleis-land, becomes a curate in St John's parish in Tralee. Fr Jerry Keane, who has been a curate at St John's, transfers to Kenmare, while Fr Michael Moynihan, a curate at St John's, Tralee, has been appointed to the same position in Castleisland. Fr Con Buckley, a curate in Listowel, moves to Rathmore as curate and Fr Patsy Lynch of the Society of African Missions (SMA) becomes a curate in Our Lady and St. Brendan's, Tralee. Meanwhile, Fr Bernard Healy, currently a deacon, will continue post-graduate studies in Rome and will be ordained a priest of the Diocese of Kerry at a ceremony in Our Lady and St Brendan's Church, Tralee, on Sunday next.

Hi I have many times been looking at the Kew site but have not seen where you can get records online , Do you then have to send off for what you find or can you print out the record . I needed my ggrandfathers Coast Guard Record and it cost a lot to get a researcher for that. Would love to have details of the site you used. Trish in Sydney What I know about official british records is that many are kept at Kew Gardens, the British Records office. This office has a well developed online service for retrieving photocopies of all their materials, which in my case included military service records for a Michael DANAHY from Kerry. Michael DANAHY http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/d/a/n/Michael-C-Danahy/index.html RESEARCHING IN MA (Hopkinton), IRE, ENG ALDRICH http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~aldrichnaa/ (one m SMITH, earlier ones m CASAVANT, COMEE, http://www.familyorigins.com/users/e/v/a/Jeanne-C-Evans LOVELL, PRAY, PRENTICE, RAWSON, SEALD, THAYER); http://members.xoom.com/jaldrich/Lines/Michael.htm Aldrich Family biographies, go to http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/AldrichBios or go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aldrich/ CASAVANT (who m MORAN); CURRAN (who m DANAHY) DANAHY (b. in Hopkinton and who m LENAN, siblings m. TOLAN, JOHNSON, O'CONNOR) LENAN (who m O"BRIEN); SMITH (who m CASEY); PRENTICE (who m ALDRICH) http://www.prenticenet.com/roots/prentice/robert/#R4 RAWSON (one m ALLEN, later one TORREY) http://www.rawsonfamilyassoc.org/ THAYER (Thomas m WHEELER, son Ferdinando m HAYWARD); http://members.aol.com/Sadie476/Thayer.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 9/07/2007 5:22 PM

For information about medals awarded by Queen Victoria - an individual whom my great grandfather had to renounce by name - I would start at www.royal.gov.uk Otherwise Google will supply all sorts of official historical government websites. Have you tried buying the medal back from the church? Michael DANAHY http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/d/a/n/Michael-C-Danahy/index.html RESEARCHING IN MA (Hopkinton), IRE, ENG ALDRICH http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~aldrichnaa/ (one m SMITH, earlier ones m CASAVANT, COMEE, http://www.familyorigins.com/users/e/v/a/Jeanne-C-Evans LOVELL, PRAY, PRENTICE, RAWSON, SEALD, THAYER); http://members.xoom.com/jaldrich/Lines/Michael.htm Aldrich Family biographies, go to http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/AldrichBios or go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aldrich/ CASAVANT (who m MORAN); CURRAN (who m DANAHY) DANAHY (b. in Hopkinton and who m LENAN, siblings m. TOLAN, JOHNSON, O'CONNOR) LENAN (who m O"BRIEN); SMITH (who m CASEY); PRENTICE (who m ALDRICH) http://www.prenticenet.com/roots/prentice/robert/#R4 RAWSON (one m ALLEN, later one TORREY) http://www.rawsonfamilyassoc.org/ THAYER (Thomas m WHEELER, son Ferdinando m HAYWARD); http://members.aol.com/Sadie476/Thayer.html

Please come sign the petition To: Mr John Gormley, Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, Ireland http://www.petitiononline.com/taram3/petition.html Petition to Minister Gormley, Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, to Declare the Entire Hill of Tara Archaeological Complex a National Monument and Re-route the M3 Motorway. Published, 8 July 2007 by TaraWatch.org The Hill of Tara archaeological complex, Ireland's premier national monument and most sacred landscape, is under dire threat from imminent bisection by construction of the M3 motorway. As Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, you have a constitutional imperative to give the highest level of statutory protection possible to the national monument. That includes all its individual components, many of which lie in the pathway of the M3, and are national monuments in their own right. You were aware that the Director of the National Museum had stated that the massive enclosure at Baronstown should have been declared a national monument. Yet, it was demolished on your watch, after you ignored calls to place a Temporary Preservation Order on the site. You have stated that you cannot alter the route of the M3, unless there is a "material change in circumstances", from those considered by Minister Dick Roche, who ordered the demolition of the newly discovered national monument; the Lismullin henge. There have in fact been many material changes, beyond the scope of the Lismullin file, including: 1. The inclusion of the Hill of Tara on the World Monuments Fund's List of 100 Most Endangered Sites is a material change in circumstances that was no considered by Minister Roche. 2. The fact that the EU has stated that the National Development Plan, as well as its M3 project, may be in breach of EU law constitutes a material change in circumstances. A report will issue in September 2007 from the Petitions Committee, and you should use the precautionary principle here, and halt the works in question, to prevent more irreversible damage to the delicate ancient remains. 3. The fact that an underground or 'souterrain' complex in Lismullin has been discovered is a material change in circumstances. It has been described as a "very significant" site by leading expert Professor George Eogan and should be declared a national monument. 4. The fact that you have been put on notice that the legal definition of a national monument is not being applied to these sites, or all monuments in Ireland, is a material change in circumstances. You have been advised by Conor Newman of a systemic flaw in the methodology for classification of national monuments currently being employed by the Chief State Archaeologist. 5. The Stern Report on the Economic Effects of Climate Change is a material change in circumstances that was not considered by Minister Roche, as it should have been. The M3 motorway was planned and approved in 2003, using radically outdated analysis. Due to the above material changes in circumstances you now have the legal power under the National Monuments Act to protect the Tara complex and to re-route the M3 motorway. We demand that you immediately halt all works within the Tara complex and declare the entire complex, as well as all the monuments within it, to be national monuments. Stop the Tara scandal now

Thanks Michael I've had a look at the National Archives site and can find no mention of records of court proceedings. I may approach them for guidance, but if anybody else has any ideas.... Cheers Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: <mldanahy@olemiss.edu> To: <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Jail records > > What I know about official british records is that many are > kept at Kew Gardens, the British Records office. This > office has a well developed online service for retrieving > photocopies of all their materials, which in my case > included military service records for a Michael DANAHY from > Kerry. > > Michael DANAHY