Women have been denied in the church for too long. Look around! They are the heart and soul of the church and what keeps it running. They shouldn't have to be considered only when the church is desperate. They actually deserve the priesthood and we would be blessed to have them. Peace, Dennis in Connecticut ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fintan Sheehan" <fintansheehan@yahoo.ie> To: <PMcH532@aol.com>; <IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 4:18 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Married Priests > Hi, I would have thought that very few young men are willing to become > priests whether they have the option of marriage or not. If so arent women > priests the obvious answer? Probably same recruitment problems but > potiential to double numbers at the very least. > > Regards, > Fintan > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "PMcH532@aol.com" <PMcH532@aol.com> > To: IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, 13 July, 2007 3:29:23 AM > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Married Priests > > > HOOORAY! to Pat Delaney and Pat McKenna. Well said! > > Pat > in sunny, hot and beautiful South Florida > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out > more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. > http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am afraid I would have to agree with Cara. I find it very difficult to get help yet I am helping people from these lists every day. Come on everyone. !!!!!!! We were all beginners once and only got the knowledge that we have now from a lot of trial and error. So to all those who have been helped how about trying to help with one question even if you do not publish the results. Also you new ones have a lot over we oldies as you are more likely to use the internet where as we all started in the dingy rooms of repositories - which was a great place to be. I can tell you all there is nothing more gratifying than helping others. You can almost feel their joy across the water. So lets all hold hands in this big genealogy circle. Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney. -----Original Message----- From: irl-wexford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-wexford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cara_Links Sent: Thursday, 12 July 2007 6:38 PM To: irl-wexford@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-WEXFORD] BEATTY NAME IN WEXFORD I am looking for anyone doing the Wexford Beatty family, and I only want to talk to those willing to share, not take everything I have done and run as this seems to be the general rul of late. I do have one or two others doing Beatty and we have been in touch and I will continue to share with those persons. Cara ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-WEXFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good one Jack. Sounds feasible. Your wonderful Irish sense of humor keeps us all smiling. Please keep it going. And any other wags in our list, lets hear your stories. Mary still laughing.(: - 0 ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John L. Sweeney" <sweelab@enter.net> To: <PMcH532@aol.com>; <IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Married Priests > Good Afternoon: > > A bit of reality and explanation is merited with the "Married Priests" > subject. > > At the time when those dedicated monk-clerks were "illuminating" > [a.k.a. copying] the Bible and other really, really important things the > Xerox copier, Printing Press, etc. were still on the drawing boards > waiting for things like iron-steel-electricity, etc. > So, all the copying had to be one letter at a time. > > I was told that a young monk-clerk, with a beautiful Palmer Method > handwriting skill had asked his boss, the Abbot, if anybody had checked > on the accuracy of the stuff being copied, it was afterall a copy itself. > > Actually, the original copy was locked away in a strong wooden chest > in the attic along with many pounds of mothballs and a > small bottle of Irish whiskey which was constantly refilled > by [yep] the Abbot when he had occasion to open the box > to replenish the moth balls. > > Anyway, the Abbot decided to "humor" the young monk-clerk and > take him up to the attic and get the original book every monk-clerk > in the place was well into copying. So, off the two of them went, > got to the box, had a bit of the good stuff and read THE ORIGINAL. > > Low and behold the young monk-clerk found a word that had > been mis-copied for many years by hundreds of monk-clerks all over > the country and broke into tears as he explained to his mentor; > > The 'R'! The 'R' is missing! IT SHOULD BE CELIBRATE! > > Love, Jack Sweeney, in calm, pleasant and peaceful Palmer, Pennsylvania > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I would have thought that very few young men are willing to become priests whether they have the option of marriage or not. If so arent women priests the obvious answer? Probably same recruitment problems but potiential to double numbers at the very least. Regards, Fintan ----- Original Message ---- From: "PMcH532@aol.com" <PMcH532@aol.com> To: IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 13 July, 2007 3:29:23 AM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Married Priests HOOORAY! to Pat Delaney and Pat McKenna. Well said! Pat in sunny, hot and beautiful South Florida ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk

Hi Folks, I lurk quietly in the background these days, just clicking on anything relating to Mc Kennas or Prendivilles (various spellings) from Tralee. The thoughtful comments regarding Married Priests caught my eye and prompted the spirit within me to wake up and have a quick rant and rave. There is a little bit of a theological dilemma which needs to be addressed here. As Pat Delaney points out, the married Anglican priests who joined the Roman branch and became ordained RC priests did so because the Anglican Church started to ordain women priests. They jumped ship and came to us because we don't ordain women. They felt that it was a safe bet they would live out their lives as priests in the Roman branch without the threat of women being presented for ordination. In order to accommodate this highly valued mass conversion, the Catholic Church waived its rule regarding a celibate priesthood - but only for the Anglican converts. Fathers Tom, Dick and Harry were told in no uncertain terms that they were to remain celibate.The richness and intimacy of a married priesthood was only there for the clergy who were so conservative in their own church they couldn't face working with women on equal terms. In the face of a huge shortage of priests, the Catholic Church firmly declares that celibacy is a must and women priests are not on the agenda. What's the theological dilemma? The Cahtolic Hierarchy ditches the traditional teaching on celibacy (for the few) in order to win the public relations prize of high profile Anglican conversions. By ordaining them, the hierarchy re-inforce the message that the converts have come home to the safe haven of a men-only clergy. Pat Delaney makes the point that many of these married priests do a wonderful job. Of course they do. In other branches of the Christian faith, women priests do a wonderful job. Many ordinary Catholics share my frustration that ours is a celibate priesthood and that women are refused ordination. In case it hasn't occured to anyone here, there will be married priests in the mainstream Catholic Church and there will be women priests saying Mass. It's just going to take a little longer than it should because the Church is doing what it does best - smothering and dampening the work of the Holy Spirit, protecting its own powerbase and burying its hierarchial head in the sand. There you are now. All sorted. All I need to do is stay alive for the next two hundred years... Be good Pat Mc Kenna ----- Original Message ---- From: Pat Delaney <pat.delaney@virgin.net> To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 12 July, 2007 9:19:01 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Married Priests Having read various comments on this subject I feel I am qualified to add to the debate as our Parish Priest is married with four sons. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html

I read with interest the pleas to help each other with research. I am more than willing to help any way I can from here in central Ohio, USA. One never knows who might benefit until you offer. I once was doing research on a Scottish site and it turns out there was someone over there who needed records from here in Ohio and I was able to be helpful. It's almost as much fun to know you helped someone get past their "brick wall" as it is to be successful in your own search. Maureen Dublin, Ohio, USA

HOOORAY! to Pat Delaney and Pat McKenna. Well said! Pat in sunny, hot and beautiful South Florida ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Having read various comments on this subject I feel I am qualified to add to the debate as our Parish Priest is married with four sons. In the last decade some 239 Anglican priests have been ordained into the Catholic Church after the Church of England decision to ordain women in1992. Of this number some 110 were married. In deciding to be received into the Catholic Church was a momentous decision for all. Unlike their celibate counterparts, they risked not only their own livlihood but that of every member of their family, not knowing whether they would ever be allowed to enter the Catholic priesthood. All were aware that their decision would cost them the very roof over their heads, their job, financial security and their very identity as Anglican-Catholic priests.Yet they all did this without knowing whether anything awaited them on the other side. Many were helped out by the St Barnabas Society. For many the Soiciety's gifts meant the difference between financial survival and ruin. For the wives of former Anglican priests there was the gradual process of being accepted into Catholic parish life. Our priest's wife (Kate) said that she was filled with trepidation when she and her husband (Fr David) moved into the presbytery. The parish had never had a family in the presbytery before and she did not know what to expect. She could not envisage what the reaction would be - whether her husband would get a strange reaction and people would boycott the parish or whether they would be ok with her husband but not with her. The news that our new incoming priest was married with children awakened our congregation from its long slumber and long debates followed. There was only one dissenter and people did not pass judgement. As the due day approached, there was a mixture of excitement and stepping into the unknown. I well remember my first meeting with our new priest at the Saturday evening Mass. I politely informed him how things had been carried out in the past (eg collections, lay Ministers and other minute matters) and that if he wished to change anything he should let all concerned know. His response was that he intended to fall in line with current practices. Shortly after the Mass had ended a 92 year old parishioner commented that she had seen everything now but really liked what she saw. This was the seal of approval all were after. It is now just over 10 years since our priest was ordained a Catholic priest and a few weeks ago we celebrated this occasion with a wonderful mass and celebration and many fine words from other priests. Even his wife said a few words. The church was packed to the rafters. The real highlight of the evening was when he approached his wife and gave her a big hug and kiss. The congregation was longing him to do so and had he failed he would have been in trouble. Its not often you see a priest kissing a woman in church. How have we taken to Fr David and Kate. Well the recent announcemet by our Bishop that he was not intending to move them on brought a standing ovation from the congregation. We would not swap them for the world. I could go on for ages about the positive benefits a married priests bring to a Parish but I will not. Trust me there are no negatives. Our church is called the Holy Family and all Saints and we really do have a family atmosphere from priest to congregation. By the way our church was once a Protestant church. The congregation fell away and it was abandoned. We took it over - ours was too small - and turned it into a wonderful place of worship but this is another story. I well remember having a serious conversation with a previous Priest who said that being a priest can be a very lonely life. He said that although he had thousand of acquaintances he had few close friends. When he closed his door at night his only company was his dog. Here in England we are experiencing a shortage of priests and we feel so lucky that so many Anglican priests have come along to fill the void. They say that God works in mysterious ways. All I would say to any doubters out there is give it a go. We did and it has been a wonderful experience. Pat Delaney

I know it's Summer and it's slow, but I think that we have gone as far on this issue as we need to. Genealogy is our game; I consider history, culture, recipes, goats, and the like, part of genealogy. Religion is an important part of Irish History, but we're veering into Theology. Sadly, theology has been huge problem in Irish History. Unless if furthers our interest in Irish History, let's call it a day on this issue. Ray Marshall Semi-official Kerry List watchdog with plastic choppers

I, too believe that priests should be able to marry, although I don't see it happening any time soon. But, isn't a decline in parishioners also a big problem? I know in western Massachusetts, where I live, we have had many churches close and merge with another local church. There weren't enough parishioners to sustain two churches, even though there is an increase in local population. (Of course, that doesn't mean the newer residents were all Catholic). Patsy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Delaney" <pat.delaney@virgin.net> To: <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Married Priests Having read various comments on this subject I feel I am qualified to add to the debate as our Parish Priest is married with four sons. In the last decade some 239 Anglican priests have been ordained into the Catholic Church after the Church of England decision to ordain women in1992. Of this number some 110 were married. In deciding to be received into the Catholic Church was a momentous decision for all. Unlike their celibate counterparts, they risked not only their own livlihood but that of every member of their family, not knowing whether they would ever be allowed to enter the Catholic priesthood. All were aware that their decision would cost them the very roof over their heads, their job, financial security and their very identity as Anglican-Catholic priests.Yet they all did this without knowing whether anything awaited them on the other side. Many were helped out by the St Barnabas Society. For many the Soiciety's gifts meant the difference between financial survival and ruin. For the wives of former Anglican priests there was the gradual process of being accepted into Catholic parish life. Our priest's wife (Kate) said that she was filled with trepidation when she and her husband (Fr David) moved into the presbytery. The parish had never had a family in the presbytery before and she did not know what to expect. She could not envisage what the reaction would be - whether her husband would get a strange reaction and people would boycott the parish or whether they would be ok with her husband but not with her. The news that our new incoming priest was married with children awakened our congregation from its long slumber and long debates followed. There was only one dissenter and people did not pass judgement. As the due day approached, there was a mixture of excitement and stepping into the unknown. I well remember my first meeting with our new priest at the Saturday evening Mass. I politely informed him how things had been carried out in the past (eg collections, lay Ministers and other minute matters) and that if he wished to change anything he should let all concerned know. His response was that he intended to fall in line with current practices. Shortly after the Mass had ended a 92 year old parishioner commented that she had seen everything now but really liked what she saw. This was the seal of approval all were after. It is now just over 10 years since our priest was ordained a Catholic priest and a few weeks ago we celebrated this occasion with a wonderful mass and celebration and many fine words from other priests. Even his wife said a few words. The church was packed to the rafters. The real highlight of the evening was when he approached his wife and gave her a big hug and kiss. The congregation was longing him to do so and had he failed he would have been in trouble. Its not often you see a priest kissing a woman in church. How have we taken to Fr David and Kate. Well the recent announcemet by our Bishop that he was not intending to move them on brought a standing ovation from the congregation. We would not swap them for the world. I could go on for ages about the positive benefits a married priests bring to a Parish but I will not. Trust me there are no negatives. Our church is called the Holy Family and all Saints and we really do have a family atmosphere from priest to congregation. By the way our church was once a Protestant church. The congregation fell away and it was abandoned. We took it over - ours was too small - and turned it into a wonderful place of worship but this is another story. I well remember having a serious conversation with a previous Priest who said that being a priest can be a very lonely life. He said that although he had thousand of acquaintances he had few close friends. When he closed his door at night his only company was his dog. Here in England we are experiencing a shortage of priests and we feel so lucky that so many Anglican priests have come along to fill the void. They say that God works in mysterious ways. All I would say to any doubters out there is give it a go. We did and it has been a wonderful experience. Pat Delaney

Very interesting facts and analysis, Pat. Nan On Jul 12, 2007, at 5:56 PM, Pat McKenna wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I lurk quietly in the background these days, just clicking on > anything relating to Mc Kennas or Prendivilles (various spellings) > from Tralee. > > The thoughtful comments regarding Married Priests caught my eye and > prompted the spirit within me to wake up and have a quick rant and > rave. > > There is a little bit of a theological dilemma which needs to be > addressed here. As Pat Delaney points out, the married Anglican > priests who joined the Roman branch and became ordained RC priests > did so because the Anglican Church started to ordain women priests. > They jumped ship and came to us because we don't ordain women. They > felt that it was a safe bet they would live out their lives as > priests in the Roman branch without the threat of women being > presented for ordination. > > In order to accommodate this highly valued mass conversion, the > Catholic Church waived its rule regarding a celibate priesthood - > but only for the Anglican converts. Fathers Tom, Dick and Harry > were told in no uncertain terms that they were to remain > celibate.The richness and intimacy of a married priesthood was only > there for the clergy who were so conservative in their own church > they couldn't face working with women on equal terms. In the face > of a huge shortage of priests, the Catholic Church firmly declares > that celibacy is a must and women priests are not on the agenda. > > What's the theological dilemma? The Cahtolic Hierarchy ditches the > traditional teaching on celibacy (for the few) in order to win the > public relations prize of high profile Anglican conversions. By > ordaining them, the hierarchy re-inforce the message that the > converts have come home to the safe haven of a men-only clergy. > > Pat Delaney makes the point that many of these married priests do a > wonderful job. Of course they do. In other branches of the > Christian faith, women priests do a wonderful job. Many ordinary > Catholics share my frustration that ours is a celibate priesthood > and that women are refused ordination. In case it hasn't occured to > anyone here, there will be married priests in the mainstream > Catholic Church and there will be women priests saying Mass. It's > just going to take a little longer than it should because the > Church is doing what it does best - smothering and dampening the > work of the Holy Spirit, protecting its own powerbase and burying > its hierarchial head in the sand. > > There you are now. All sorted. All I need to do is stay alive for > the next two hundred years... > > Be good > > Pat Mc Kenna > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Pat Delaney <pat.delaney@virgin.net> > To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, 12 July, 2007 9:19:01 PM > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Married Priests > > > Having read various comments on this subject I feel I am qualified > to add to the debate as our Parish Priest is married with four sons. > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, > sign up for > your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http:// > uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Remarkable Story, Pat, I really appreciate your sharing it with us. Nan in Chicago where my old Catholic parish was standing room only (1400 capacity I think) growing up and now ghostly with maybe 50-60 people at Mass on Sunday. On Jul 12, 2007, at 3:19 PM, Pat Delaney wrote: > Having read various comments on this subject I feel I am qualified > to add to the debate as our Parish Priest is married with four sons. > > In the last decade some 239 Anglican priests have been ordained > into the Catholic Church after the Church of England decision to > ordain women in1992. Of this number some 110 were married. In > deciding to be received into the Catholic Church was a momentous > decision for all. Unlike their celibate counterparts, they risked > not only their own livlihood but that of every member of their > family, not knowing whether they would ever be allowed to enter the > Catholic priesthood. All were aware that their decision would cost > them the very roof over their heads, their job, financial security > and their very identity as Anglican-Catholic priests.Yet they all > did this without knowing whether anything awaited them on the other > side. Many were helped out by the St Barnabas Society. For many the > Soiciety's gifts meant the difference between financial survival > and ruin. > > For the wives of former Anglican priests there was the gradual > process of being accepted into Catholic parish life. Our priest's > wife (Kate) said that she was filled with trepidation when she and > her husband (Fr David) moved into the presbytery. The parish had > never had a family in the presbytery before and she did not know > what to expect. She could not envisage what the reaction would be - > whether her husband would get a strange reaction and people would > boycott the parish or whether they would be ok with her husband but > not with her. > > The news that our new incoming priest was married with children > awakened our congregation from its long slumber and long debates > followed. There was only one dissenter and people did not pass > judgement. As the due day approached, there was a mixture of > excitement and stepping into the unknown. > > I well remember my first meeting with our new priest at the > Saturday evening Mass. I politely informed him how things had been > carried out in the past (eg collections, lay Ministers and other > minute matters) and that if he wished to change anything he should > let all concerned know. His response was that he intended to fall > in line with current practices. Shortly after the Mass had ended a > 92 year old parishioner commented that she had seen everything now > but really liked what she saw. This was the seal of approval all > were after. > > It is now just over 10 years since our priest was ordained a > Catholic priest and a few weeks ago we celebrated this occasion > with a wonderful mass and celebration and many fine words from > other priests. Even his wife said a few words. The church was > packed to the rafters. The real highlight of the evening was when > he approached his wife and gave her a big hug and kiss. The > congregation was longing him to do so and had he failed he would > have been in trouble. Its not often you see a priest kissing a > woman in church. > > How have we taken to Fr David and Kate. Well the recent announcemet > by our Bishop that he was not intending to move them on brought a > standing ovation from the congregation. We would not swap them for > the world. I could go on for ages about the positive benefits a > married priests bring to a Parish but I will not. Trust me there > are no negatives. Our church is called the Holy Family and all > Saints and we really do have a family atmosphere from priest to > congregation. By the way our church was once a Protestant church. > The congregation fell away and it was abandoned. We took it over - > ours was too small - and turned it into a wonderful place of > worship but this is another story. > > I well remember having a serious conversation with a previous > Priest who said that being a priest can be a very lonely life. He > said that although he had thousand of acquaintances he had few > close friends. When he closed his door at night his only company > was his dog. > > Here in England we are experiencing a shortage of priests and we > feel so lucky that so many Anglican priests have come along to fill > the void. They say that God works in mysterious ways. > > All I would say to any doubters out there is give it a go. We did > and it has been a wonderful experience. > > > Pat Delaney > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hey all As part of my research into the Stack family from Ardfert, Co Kerry, I have compiled a spreadsheet showing Stack births/baptisms between 1859 and 1879 (70+ entries). If this would be of any use to anybody, send me your email address and I'll send you a copy. Cheers Neil Murus aeneus virtus - Virtue is a wall of brass

Good Afternoon: A bit of reality and explanation is merited with the "Married Priests" subject. At the time when those dedicated monk-clerks were "illuminating" [a.k.a. copying] the Bible and other really, really important things the Xerox copier, Printing Press, etc. were still on the drawing boards waiting for things like iron-steel-electricity, etc. So, all the copying had to be one letter at a time. I was told that a young monk-clerk, with a beautiful Palmer Method handwriting skill had asked his boss, the Abbot, if anybody had checked on the accuracy of the stuff being copied, it was afterall a copy itself. Actually, the original copy was locked away in a strong wooden chest in the attic along with many pounds of mothballs and a small bottle of Irish whiskey which was constantly refilled by [yep] the Abbot when he had occasion to open the box to replenish the moth balls. Anyway, the Abbot decided to "humor" the young monk-clerk and take him up to the attic and get the original book every monk-clerk in the place was well into copying. So, off the two of them went, got to the box, had a bit of the good stuff and read THE ORIGINAL. Low and behold the young monk-clerk found a word that had been mis-copied for many years by hundreds of monk-clerks all over the country and broke into tears as he explained to his mentor; The 'R'! The 'R' is missing! IT SHOULD BE CELIBRATE! Love, Jack Sweeney, in calm, pleasant and peaceful Palmer, Pennsylvania

Trish I dad a similar dilemma with one of my g-grandfathers but resolved the problem when I had traced him down in the Griffiths' lists and placed him on the map - three parishes met at the place he was living, and where his son farmed a couple of decades later. So the fact that the family seemed to have been in three places at once was explained. It meant paying out, but was worth it. If you contact Irish Origins you can look up where they were in Griffiths, and although they do have maps, they do not always show the plot numbers that correspond to the Griffiths' lists, But if you contact the Valuation Office in Dublin, they will send out, again for a fee ( but they are very speedy and helpful ) photocopies of the maps with the plot numbers written on. Just remember to get the correct number of the map that you are referring to! So - info from Irish Origins, maps from Valuation Office! Irish Origins website is www.eneclann.ie/ Valuation Office is www.valoff.ie/ Good hunting, Slan Mary

John, You're right about that. The rule that priests can't marry was made by man not God. Pat in very sunny and very hot South Florida ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Ann-Marie -- I see your older posting ---- the details are helpful. Does Canada issue death certs? Would they have asked parents' names? Living to such a ripe old age, did the local paper run a story on his passing? (Kate in Chicago) "[M]y gggrandfather Thomas Finucan(e) was born bet. 1806-1807. He died May 24, 1893 in Toronto, Ontario. He married an Anne Riordan in January 1834. It is registered in Ballylongford. I have no idea of any siblings of Thomas. Their children were Mary Jane born circa 1838 and died Dec. 14, 1861 in Toronto and John born 1840 - 1841 and died Sept. 29, 1865 in Toronto. My ggrandfather Thomas was born on Dec. 25, 1848. I don't know of any other siblings as I presume some or any may have died during the famine. They came to Canada on the Jane Black in 1855. I know my ggrandfather was born in Tarbert, County Kerry."

Hello, Looking for info on a Thomas Finucan m Ann Riordan from Tarbert County Kerry Ann-Marie

Yes I agree Pat. So many married men I know of, who are very devout Catholics and doing such a lot for charity and the poor, would make fine priests. Man was never meant to live alone I think....just my thoughts. Hey Jack...nice to hear from you again. We are experiencing a very cold winter here in Nth Queensland that I have never felt since I was a child. So...is the climate change just a cycle I wonder. Big T.V. special on tonight about 20 minutes say that climate change is a gigantic hoax. So I will be watching for fure. Talking about wines....we tried a nice wine called Dolchetta by Brown Bros, an Aussie wine...very nice for the cold nights. Keep happy, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <PMcH532@aol.com> To: <IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:03 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Priest Assignments and Retirements in Kerry in 2007 > > Actually, I think it's 'time' the Church started thinking (seriously) > about > married priests. Otherwise there will come a time when we won't have > any. > If I was a man I wouldn't be a priest because I couldn't get married. > What a > lonely life! And I can't blame them either. (And a married priest would > understand the problems of a family better, too, because he'd have a > family > himself). What do you think? > > Pat > > > In a message dated 7/10/2007 12:24:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > raymarsh@mninter.net writes: > > Priest shortage crisis as five clergy retire > By: Eve Kelliher > > THE Bishop of Kerry has announced a major reshuffle of clergy in > the diocese with five senior priests retiring from service. > > The changes will take effect from Wednesday, July 18 and they > further highlight a serious shortage of priests in the diocese, with five > retiring and just one ordination forthcoming. > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Ray, thank you for the correction of #-3: I didn't know MN was a Blue Law State. I do know that if there is a "deal" anywhere in MN, for whatever pleases your fancy, certainly you would know about it. I must, MUST, point out that my #'s 1 and 2 still bear as correct. [See below for precise quote]. Love, Jack Sweeney, in cooler, wet, Palmer, Pennsylvania. > > It would seem Ray's tastes in wines are governed by a few musts; > 1-the wine bottle must have a screw top, > 2-there must be a volume price consideration, > 3-it must be sold in a supermarket.