Good Morning Margaret: Let the "truth be known", there are no "other Sweeney's". It must be genetic but we are all alike, a pleasant rabble. The "pleasant" is most important, it sort of softens the impact of the other reality. Love, Jack Sweeney, looking out the window at a beautiful morning in Palmer, Pennsylvania.

In a message dated 7/15/2007 10:15:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, merossi1@yahoo.com writes: Gee folks, it seems to me there is a very simple solution to deal with reading about married priests if you don't want to...or any other topic...its called the "DELETE" button. I use it often and it saves me much aggravation. I open up my inbox and check all of the mail that looks uninteresting and delete and read the rest. Its not so difficult.... All the best Mary Ellen Rossi ----------------------------------- I totally agree that this kind of strident action is not called for. I thought I was done with parochial school a long long time ago! But, I guess not! What's even MORE interesting is that off-topic topics are still entertained like boating or over-rated Irish poets. Guess the rules just apply to some. Tolerance seems to be a highly selective thing here lately. Btw, lively discussion has always been a hallmark of the other Irish lists I belong to. Maybe way off topic for this list but neither should it give some delicate souls 'the vapors.' Just my 2 cents; ought to be yours. LOL. Eileen ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hi Jack, It is an incredibly expensive race to enter. I am sure there are many Irish crew on board a lot of the boats. Maybe there are not enough multi millionairs yet Trish Good Morning All: Last night I learned that the Swiss had won the America's Cup a few whiles back. I can understand Australia, New Zealand, England, Canada doing well in that most prestigious sailboat event, but Switzerland! There are thousands of Kerry folk involved with "boating", sail boating included but I've never heard of Ireland as an entry in such a regatta. Has Ireland ever competed in such a race? Love, Jack Sweeney, above the Lehigh River in Palmer, Pennsylvania. [The Swiss?]. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 10/07/2007 5:44 PM

There is a story about Kerrymen on the run who became Indian Chiefs in colonial era America. I'll attach that story to private email if anyone is interested. Don Kelly

TB came from many sources, which people never gave thought to. Back before milk was pastureized, cows could carry the TB germ and then whomever drank the milk from the infected cow, got the desease. We had neighbors when I was growing up that had that happen to them. First the eldest brother was admitted to a sanitarium for TB. No one knew where he got it from. Then the younger brother got TB and was admitted with his older brother. Then the mother got TB, by this time, the two boys had died, and the local authorities stepped in to find out what was causing the problem. They discovered the cow. There were two young girls that for some reason escaped the problem. I grew up with them and they had to get checked every year and was always free of the germ. The father on the other hand was not so lucky, and he died of TB when the girls were in grade school, around the seventh or eights grades. They were sent to live with an Aunt. Last week, the oldest daughter died at age 74 from a heart attack and the younger daughter is still alive and well. - They must have had a natural amunity or were just lucky????? I know they drank the milk!! Liz ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hi, AFAIK Kerry had a higher incidence of TB than other counties. Edenburn was a TB hospital outside Tralee. Think its closed and not sure if they have any records for genealogy research. My dad and his sister moved from Kerry to Longford for a period when they were teenagers IN 1920's to avoid TB. Regards, Fintan ----- Original Message ---- From: "MonicaBOS@aol.com" <MonicaBOS@aol.com> To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 15 July, 2007 10:09:10 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] TB Patients Early 1900s Ireland My father had TB three times, lost a kidney to it and is now 87 years young. His father William McSheehy and William's identical twin Francis, both died of TB the same year my father was born, 1920. As I have done my family search, I keep finding family that died of TB all on my father's side, not my mother's. So I am wondering, and I know this is a "reach", if my mother's folk (Co. Mayo) not having TB was just luck or is there a susceptibility among the Kerry folk to TB. Just curious. I do know that because of my father, I have been told that I need to be screened for it for the rest of my life and the last time he had it was around 1959. Monica ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk

lol Must of been the other Sweeney's in that case Jack. Sadly the name of those who died under fire weren't recorded. Just more Irish riff-raff. I was amazed to see that while this town filled with Irish it was still run by the old WASP gentry. That is until the County Kerry bunch got a foot hold. The first group of Irish to break into city government were all Kerrymen. That wasn't until the latter part of the century. I have a letter written by my great grandfather James Walsh b. 1849 which is quite amazing. He was very well educated back in Kerry even though they didn't have the proverbial pot. Margaret

you need to unsub yourself..... to the request list, not the main mailing list I am not sick of it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valeris Garton" <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> To: <IRL-Kerry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] I am sick of it - please unsubscribe me > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Evening All: About to go to bed this night and there's a message from the guy in MN that just HAS to be responded to. Perhaps a clarification is in order to settle this matter; the Sweeney's are not rabble-rousers, they are rabble. I.e. no reason to rouse anybody, they [the Sweeney's] are already there, just doing what they are paid to do, "rouse!". Sorry for the fate of that Sweeney in Illinois, but, he was the only one of us in the bunch that caused any difficulty for the "powers that be". They were not only outnumbered considerably but there were none of them bearing any relationship with "Sweeney's". Pity that. Love, Jack Sweeney, Palmer, Pennsylvania.

Gee folks, it seems to me there is a very simple solution to deal with reading about married priests if you don't want to...or any other topic...its called the "DELETE" button. I use it often and it saves me much aggravation. I open up my inbox and check all of the mail that looks uninteresting and delete and read the rest. Its not so difficult.... All the best Mary Ellen Rossi You don't have to read...AND Catholicism is our Irish heritage. If you don't think The Catholic Church is our Irish Culture...??? I am confused. ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I have warned two list members that I will take action if they continue to post on "off-topic issues." "Action" means that I will remove them from the list. Others who continue to make off-topic posts may find themselves in the same situation. Ray Marshall Kerry List

I've heard that those Sweeneys have always been rabble-rousers, Margaret. Some of them are even interested in sailboats, I hear. Ray -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of mrcarmean@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:59 PM To: IRL-KERRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRELAND Digest, Vol 2, Issue 273 How very true Ray. I live in Ottawa, Illinois a few blocks from the Illinois-Michigan Canal and some of my ancestors ended up here as canal workers. The government was no better then now in managing money and soon ran out of funds. They then decided to pay the local workers in Canal Script. Save enough and you could buy canal land or use in local businesses for food and refreshment. But that meant no cash to send back home. It didn't take long before the workers had a bellful of this nonsense and a mob was formed with a fellow named Sweeney from County Kerry leading the pack. A local posse was formed by the Sheriff where they trapped them outside this town and unloaded their guns into them. Those that survived returned to work but it caught the governments attention. Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.6/900 - Release Date: 7/14/2007 3:36 PM

_____ From: roy smith [mailto:roycsmith07@windstream.net] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 7:07 PM To: 'roy smith' Subject: RE: Hinde family of Ireland 16-17-1800,s _____ From: roy smith [mailto:roycsmith07@windstream.net] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:46 PM To: 'irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: Hinde family of Ireland 16-17-1800,s I am once again back trying to locate my family in Ireland, My grandfather, Benjamine Hugh Hinde was born in Tarbert,county Kerry 15 July 1862. He attended Trinity College, joined the British Navy and served aboard several men of war as Paymaster till 1888 when he resigned and came to America. Here he served in the US Army twice, once in the Mexican war as a Lt. and during ww1 where rose to the rank of Lt.Col. and retired as a Major after the war. His father was Dr. Benjamine J. Hinde and mother Bessie Lydia Owen of Bristol, England. They had seven children, Benjamine Hugh-1862-Tarbert, George D'Arcy - 1864- Tarbert, Jessie Elizabeth Owen Hinde -1865 -T arbert, Douglas Gordon - 1867 -Rothfornham ,Doublin, Frank Langford- 1869- Dublin, Kathleen . L. Hinde- 1872- Plumbstead,England, Ida E. L. Hinde, England. My gggrandfather was Att. Benjamine J. Hinde, Esq. of Tarbert, b. 1783, Tarbert. He married Ann Elizabeth Standish,3dr daughter of Reverand Richard Joseph LangfordStandish,Esq Of Glinn,Limerick on 17 April 1812.They had seven children (that lived), Richard HInde-1814-Glinn Kerry,Francis Elizabeth - 1815- Tarbert, Jane A - 1816 , Anna 1820 .George Langford Hinde(surgeon Major General,CB) 1831, Kerry, Benjamine J Hinde (Brigade Surgeon Major).1832, Tarbert. Mary Cathrine Hinde- 1835- Tarbert.Mary Cathrine HInde married William Garver Harris, Esq., 24 Feb. 1861. They had three children, Henry 1864, Ann 1866, Edward - 1868,. All in Tarbert.Richard Hinde, Esq., b.1814 d. 10 May 1869, married Jane Henn, Daughter of Pool Henn, Esq.,of England. They had four children. Florence Maude, 14 Dec. 1864., William Henn - 24 April 1867, Ethel Georgina, 2 Oct. 1868 and Richard Hinde,Jr. 1869. All born in Tarbert except Richard,Jr. who was born in Malahide, Dublin. Surgeon George Langford Hinde (41st Foot Welch Reg.) married Harrietta Tudo Rayner , daughter of Edward Charles Rayner, Esq. of England at St. James Cath.,Westmenster England on 23 Nov. 1861. They Had Two children, Sidney Langford Hinde,-1864- 1939.,Rhoda Hinde, 1865.,both born in Canada. George secondly married Francis M. Hinde of Dublin. He spent many years in India as a Army surgeon where one of thier children was born. My ggggrandfather Benjamine J. Hinde,Esq. Att. Of Dublin,Freeman of Dublin married Frances Bomford daughter of William Bomford of Cushinstown.Frances born in 1763.Benjamine and Frances later moved to Anglesea to educate their children Benjamine J. Hinde,Surgeon served in Bathhurst , Africa in 1865 as well as other places during his military carrer. Gen. George Langford Hinde served in India for a number of years. How do I find where they may have served during their military years. . Roycsmith07@windstream.net

How very true Ray. I live in Ottawa, Illinois a few blocks from the Illinois-Michigan Canal and some of my ancestors ended up here as canal workers. The government was no better then now in managing money and soon ran out of funds. They then decided to pay the local workers in Canal Script. Save enough and you could buy canal land or use in local businesses for food and refreshment. But that meant no cash to send back home. It didn't take long before the workers had a bellful of this nonsense and a mob was formed with a fellow named Sweeney from County Kerry leading the pack. A local posse was formed by the Sheriff where they trapped them outside this town and unloaded their guns into them. Those that survived returned to work but it caught the governments attention. Margaret

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My father had TB three times, lost a kidney to it and is now 87 years young. His father William McSheehy and William's identical twin Francis, both died of TB the same year my father was born, 1920. As I have done my family search, I keep finding family that died of TB all on my father's side, not my mother's. So I am wondering, and I know this is a "reach", if my mother's folk (Co. Mayo) not having TB was just luck or is there a susceptibility among the Kerry folk to TB. Just curious. I do know that because of my father, I have been told that I need to be screened for it for the rest of my life and the last time he had it was around 1959. Monica ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:27:14 -0700 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: [IRELAND] Women's National Health Assoc./Ireland - Guidelines/TB patients early 1900s To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> SNIPPET: Where government had nothing to offer, and charity was both insufficient and cold-hearted, the people at the bottom of the heap had to rely on one another. Areas like the Lanes of Limerick or the Liberties of Dublin were looked on with horror by people who lived elsewhere as the abodes of dirt and crime. Within these close-packed streets, however, there was often an enduring spirit of community and mutual help despite all the frictions and hardships. A particularly grim reality for the poorer populations of cities like Limerick, Cork and Dublin were diseases such as tuberculosis and diphtheria, which continued to take their toll in the 1930s, as they had at the turn of the century. By the time someone was admitted to the hospital, it might well be too late. There were many diseases considered incurable. Especially, in the tuberculosis wards, many people, old and young, were admitted in the expectation that they would die there. The ever-present fear of death helped to create the chilly, brooding atmosphere that sometimes also seemed reflected in the architecture of the hospital itself. "When I saw her first reclining Her lips were mov'd in prayer, And the setting sun was shining On her loosen'd golden hair. When our kindly glances met her Deadly brilliant was her eye; And she said that she was better, While we knew that she would die." - Richard d'Alton Williams, extract, "The Dying Girl." The Women's National Health Association of Ireland published guidelines for the treatment of T.B. patients in Ireland in the early 1900s which read: RULES FOR CONSUMPTIVE PATIENTS Consumption is a catching disease. It may pass from person to person. The chief source of infection is to be found in the phlegm of the consumptive. The great danger lies in the drying of the spits, and the blowing about of the dried infectious material. The spread of consumption can be largely prevented. When at home, the patient should spit into a jar or cup containing some fluid. The vessel should be changed once in twelve hours, or oftener. It should be cleansed by being filled up with BOILING water. The combined contents should be poured down the w. c. The vessel should then be washed with BOILING water. When the patient is out of doors he should carry a pocket flask. The flask should be used and cleansed like a jar. The patient should never spit in the streets, or on floors. The phlegm should on no account be swallowed. Consumptive mothers should not suckle. Patients with advanced disease should have special table utensils if possible. Rooms which have been occupied by a consumptive patient should, before occupation by someone else, be carefully disinfected, as after any other infectious disease. FRESH AIR IS THE FOOD OF THE LUNGS. Therefore see that the lungs are not starved. A.-- By Day.-- The patient should occupy an airy a room as possible. THE WINDOW SHOULD BE FREELY OPEN. When able the patient should be out of doors during the day. He must AVOID OVER-EFFORT and chill. B.--By Night.-- He should sleep alone. The bedroom should be large and airy. The WINDOW SHOULD BE KEPT FREELY OPEN in all weathers.

Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:03:51 -0700 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: [IRELAND] Irish Canal Diggers, America (1817-1830s) - Irish vs. Irish - Secret Societies To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> SNIPPET: Many of the poor and unskilled Irish who arrived before the Famine found work building the earliest links in the emerging American transportation network. The greatest of these projects the Erie Canal (itself the brainchild of De Witt CLINTON, a descendant of Longford immigrants), was constructed largely using Irish labor between 1817 and 1825. It was a stupendous undertaking for any era - a massive trench 363 miles long across upstate NY connecting the Hudson River with Lake Erie. As this was the era before steam power, all of it was dug using manual and animal labor. The work was dangerous and poorly paid and conditions in the camps along the canal zone atrocious. One English visitor to the canal camps near Troy, NY, wrote that the shacks of the diggers were "more like dog-kennels than the habitations of men." Hundreds died from injury or disease in the making of the Erie and other canals such as Chesapeake and Ohio and the Illinois and Michigan, giving rise to the oft-repeated statement that the banks of America's canals are lined with the bones of stricken Irishmen. Perhaps the most extreme evidence of this raw exploitation occurred in New Orleans in the 1830s. There, the builders of the city's New Basin Canal expressed a preference for Irish over slave labor for the simple reason that a dead Irishman could be replaced in minutes at no cost while a dead slave resulted in the loss of more than one thousand dollars. An old song, likely exaggerating, put the death toll at twenty thousand: "Ten thousand Micks, they swung their picks/To dig the New Canal/But the choleray was stronger 'n they/An' twice it killed them all." Together, canal and road building, like the later railroad construction, explain why the Irish spread out so quickly across the country. Because few unions existed in the 1830s and none for unskilled construction workers, Irish immigrants often formed secret fraternal societies to militantly protest their welfare. Along the Chesapeake and Ohio Canal in MD, for example, Irish laborers from Co. Cork drove away workers who refused to join their association. When Co. Longford workers were brought in to undercut the Corkmen, fierce battles broke out and President Andrew JACKSON sent in the army to restore order. Years later when the company refused to pay them, they destroyed their work! In the long run this spirit of collective action and solidarity among Irish worker in the 1830s provided the foundation for their successful efforts to organize into unions in the decades to come. In the short term, however, it usually did little to relieve the world of hard and poorly paid work. -- Excerpts, "1001 Things Everyone Should Know About Irish American History," Edward T. O'Donnell (2002)