Hi, I'm wondering if anyone out there has any information concerning the history of Valencia/Valentia Island? When I was in Ireland this past January, many of the locals told me that pre-famine, the population was in the thousands (4,000 seems to stand out for some reason) but that after the famine, the population dropped to about 400 - and was, in 1991, about 680. I have tried googling a history of the island, but really to no avail in terms of specific famine history - mostly I find information on the laying of the first trans-Atlantic cable (which is, in and of itself, very interesting, but not what I am looking for) :-). In any event, I'm wondering if anyone can verify the above claim about the population decrease, as well as any other information pertinent to the history of the island (particularly pre-famine to famine and slightly afterwards). Thanks. -A

Hello, When trying research ancestors whose birth year may not fit into how far the parish records go back, I just received information today from another researcher that he was told Griffiths Valuation isn't always the best to rely upon due to the fact that it was taken after the famine - that is to say, that by 1852, many folks had scattered across Kerry and so therefore Griffiths might not paint the most accurate of pictures. The person went on to say that sometimes the Tithe Appointment books give a better indication of where families were since they were taken pre-famine. Trouble is I find tons of my surname all over the place in Griffiths (because records are available for more parishes) and hardly any references in the available Tithes (because hardly any are available for Kerry). I am wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this theory? Thanks! -A

I am searching for genealogy on Patrick Ahern early to mid 1800-he married Margaret Moore I think in the area morvane or new town sandes--Margaret migrated with her 4 children in about 1850--Patrick was not with her so I assume he was deceased at that time. Thank you for any info or direction you can extend to me jgolden12@juno.com

Hi I'm trying to locate any family of O Riordan from Rangue area of Killorglin for my husband's family tree his grandfather Daniel Riordan was married to Abbie Foley. Thanks Caroline

A friend coincdentally just sent this to me. http://www.startribune.com/slideshows/rich_media/1344505.html

Thank you, Patsy. I will be seeing hime tomorrow evening for a couple of hours after his return from the funeral. I am in a class he teaches on Gregorian Chant. I will be sure to pass the care and concern that many of you, some privately, have passed on to me. Ray -----Original Message----- From: PatsiGen [mailto:n2genealogy@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 11:43 AM To: Ray Marshall; Donna Russell; Kerry List Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Checking In Ray, please tell your friend, and I'm sure I can speak for all of us, that we on the Kerry list are full of sorrow on the loss of her cousin. I remember that Julia Blackhawk was one of the missing and I had heard that she had two daughters. I prayed for her, now I will pray for her children and their extended family. ~Patsy~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Marshall" <raymarsh@mninter.net> To: "Donna Russell" <donnarussell5@comcast.net>; "Kerry List" <IRL-Kerry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Checking In > > I'm here, Donna. > > A cousin of a friend, Julia Blackhawk, a mother of two, was one of the > dead. > > It was a bridge I use at least normally three times a week. But I have > been > avoiding it this Summer because of the road construction project. > > Thanks for your concern. > > > Ray > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Donna Russell > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:30 AM > To: IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Checking In > > > Hi, > I've been away from my emails for a few days and i'm wondering if Ray > Marshall has checked in and is a-ok. I've been following the story of the > bridge collapse--horrific. I hope that all is well and pray that no > friends > or family members were on the bridge. > Best regards, > Donna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 > 5:46 PM > > > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/2007 2:42 PM

Sorry to hear of this terrible bridge accident . Am thinking and praying for all. Trish in Sydney

Ray, please tell your friend, and I'm sure I can speak for all of us, that we on the Kerry list are full of sorrow on the loss of her cousin. I remember that Julia Blackhawk was one of the missing and I had heard that she had two daughters. I prayed for her, now I will pray for her children and their extended family. ~Patsy~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Marshall" <raymarsh@mninter.net> To: "Donna Russell" <donnarussell5@comcast.net>; "Kerry List" <IRL-Kerry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Checking In > > I'm here, Donna. > > A cousin of a friend, Julia Blackhawk, a mother of two, was one of the > dead. > > It was a bridge I use at least normally three times a week. But I have > been > avoiding it this Summer because of the road construction project. > > Thanks for your concern. > > > Ray > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Donna Russell > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:30 AM > To: IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Checking In > > > Hi, > I've been away from my emails for a few days and i'm wondering if Ray > Marshall has checked in and is a-ok. I've been following the story of the > bridge collapse--horrific. I hope that all is well and pray that no > friends > or family members were on the bridge. > Best regards, > Donna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 > 5:46 PM > > > >

Hi Ray, I'm glad to hear you are safe but sorry to hear about your friend's cousin. There was a story about some of the people who died and I remember reading about her. She sounded like a very special person and well loved. It is such a terrible loss. Thanks for letting us know. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Marshall" <raymarsh@mninter.net> To: "Donna Russell" <donnarussell5@comcast.net>; "Kerry List" <IRL-Kerry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 3:13 PM Subject: RE: [IRL-KERRY] Checking In > > I'm here, Donna. > > A cousin of a friend, Julia Blackhawk, a mother of two, was one of the > dead. > > It was a bridge I use at least normally three times a week. But I have > been > avoiding it this Summer because of the road construction project. > > Thanks for your concern. > > > Ray > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Donna Russell > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:30 AM > To: IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Checking In > > > Hi, > I've been away from my emails for a few days and i'm wondering if Ray > Marshall has checked in and is a-ok. I've been following the story of the > bridge collapse--horrific. I hope that all is well and pray that no > friends > or family members were on the bridge. > Best regards, > Donna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 > 5:46 PM > >

Thanks for checking in Ray - we have been concerned and thinking of you. Liz ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Thanks for your concern, Liz Normally I do use that bridge three or more times a week, but because of the road construction and lane closures this Summer, I have been taking alternate routes where possible. We are very fortunate that the death toll will probably be less than 15. This was due to the slow speeds they were driving becuase it was a real traffic tie up and the fact that the bridge fell straight down, most cars landed on their tires and occupants of the cars probably were wearing seat belts. But over 100 were treated at various hospitals with a dozen or so still in serious condition. Thanks again. Ray -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lizziems@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 12:28 PM To: donnarussell5@comcast.net; IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Checking In Thanks Donna - I have been silently watching up here for the same thing, hoping, he will come forward to announce that he was no where near the bridge that day. Terrible tradigy!! Liz ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 5:46 PM

I'm here, Donna. A cousin of a friend, Julia Blackhawk, a mother of two, was one of the dead. It was a bridge I use at least normally three times a week. But I have been avoiding it this Summer because of the road construction project. Thanks for your concern. Ray -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Donna Russell Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:30 AM To: IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Checking In Hi, I've been away from my emails for a few days and i'm wondering if Ray Marshall has checked in and is a-ok. I've been following the story of the bridge collapse--horrific. I hope that all is well and pray that no friends or family members were on the bridge. Best regards, Donna ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 5:46 PM

Thanks Donna - I have been silently watching up here for the same thing, hoping, he will come forward to announce that he was no where near the bridge that day. Terrible tradigy!! Liz ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Bart, Your query about the McCues in Jan Kerry website { Comp problems A john McCue lived and owned A Green-house and business in Woburn Mass. His son and grand daughter now run the business Son is also John and g-daughter is Meghan. Hope this helps. Dan Dwyer in Medford Mass

http://www.nd.gov/hist/sal/photo/imagepages/mapstampseal/B0204-Upper-half-of-Dakota-.htm I hope this helps. Don Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret" <mrcarmean@sbcglobal.net> To: <IRL-KERRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 10:48 AM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] old map? > While not Kerry related I figured between the bunch of us we know > everything ;-) > I'm looking for an old map that would show a route to the opening of the > Dakota Territory. I can't google one for the life of me here. > Thanks, > Margaret > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 > 5:46 PM > >

While not Kerry related I figured between the bunch of us we know everything ;-) I'm looking for an old map that would show a route to the opening of the Dakota Territory. I can't google one for the life of me here. Thanks, Margaret

Hi, I've been away from my emails for a few days and i'm wondering if Ray Marshall has checked in and is a-ok. I've been following the story of the bridge collapse--horrific. I hope that all is well and pray that no friends or family members were on the bridge. Best regards, Donna

In a message dated 8/1/2007 3:07:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com writes: Does anyone know if there were any ironworks or iron quarries in or near any of the following towns in the mid 1840s to 1850s? Interesting inquiry!! Did your ancestors migrate to Wales to work in the iron mills there? Mine did (from Kerry) during or just after the famine years before coming to America between 1880 & 1890 where they worked in the steel mills of western PA. Don ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Does anyone know if there were any ironworks or iron quarries in or near any of the following towns in the mid 1840s to 1850s? Ardmore Ballybane Coolgarriv Coomnahincha Derreen Drom Dungeagan Garryglass Keeas Killurly East Reacaslagh Shronaloughane Strandsend Thank you. -Amanda

Interesting. My grandfather, Daniel Webster McCARTHY (3/17/1847 Kenmare -- now wouldn't you think his name would have been 'Patrick', like his father's?) came to the U.S. with his parents in 1854 where he became a tinsmith. He was always enumerated in Terre Haute, IN, but he did move his family at times around about a 100 miles radius of Terre Haute. He also worked off and on for a tin shop in Terre Haute (perhaps the traveling was in conjunction with this employer). I don't know what type of 'smithing' he did, I imagine all kinds. My Dad said Dan could cut out a tin cup that was just one piece before doing the bending, etc to make the cup shape .. must have been something to see. What I wouldn't give to have one of his cups or such (have no idea what his 'mark' looked like). Mac McCARTHY -----Original Message----- From: dolard54@optonline.net [mailto:dolard54@optonline.net] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:48 AM To: IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-KERRY] occupations I found the various comments on education very interesting.Occupation may be another worthy of comments. My gr grandfather Brian Flynn was a tinsmith from 1860 in Whitechapel until his death in Brooklyn,NY 1896.In my many inquires to Ireland I was always told a tinsmith was the same as a tinker, a traveler a gypsy they never settled in one place. Yet Brian immigrated in 1865 and in 1870 bought two pieces of property in Brooklyn ,one with a house and lived there until his death 26 years later. I eventually learned he worked on tin ceilings and tin roofs so he was tinsmith. Dolores Flynn and O'Brien