G'Evening I have been searching for any information about EDWARD O'SULLIVAN who married BRIDGET O'SULLIVAN (nee O'SULLIVAN). The only clues to my quest: They had a son THOMAS J. O'SULLIVAN born 1894. Thomas was married in Montreal, Canada and moved to NY. A family member recalls that THOMAS J. O'SULLIVAN would send money home to a brother for the Irish lottery. Due to a gap of 17 years between daughters (born 1923 and 1940) and learning that there was another child, was able to find 2 sons THOMAS O'SULLIVAN Abt. May 1926 died December 16, 1927 EDWARD O'SULLIVAN April 02, 1930 died April 19, 1930 Any leads or information would be wonderful. Thanks, Clanny ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Hi, My ggrandfather, Edward O'Shea was born in Kerry (place unknown according to family) about 1821. He married Mary Ann Diggens (place unknown) by about 1847. Their four children, Edward, Mary Ellen, Bridget, and John were born in Nova Scotia. The 1881 Prince Edward Island census placed them in Georgetown Royal, Kings County. That census listed the childrens' birth place as Nova Scotia. The family was Roman Catholic. Mary Diggins surname was obtained from the death record of another family member in Duluth. The census gave Edward's age as sixty at that time and indicated Edward and his oldest son were coopers. Daughter Mary Ellen was listed as a widow (of Asa Lyons) with two small children. They all lived at the same address in Georgetown. Bridget first, then Mary Ellen and her sons, and then Edward and Mary's, sons Edward and John, moved to Duluth, Minnesota (U. S. A.) by 1888. Any information about this family and their emmigration from Kerry to Nova Scotia would be truely appreciated. The backward trail has been very elusive! N. Schmitz smile@execpc.com
Just a note on Father McGivney, since he was mentioned in Ray Marshall's post - he was born in Waterbury CT, though his priestly service in New Haven is what he is well known for. There was a recent biography published on his life. "Parish priest," by Douglas Brinkley and Julie Fenster, was published in 2006. It is an interesting read and includes much material on several Irish American families of New Haven who were involved with McGivney in the founding of the K of C. I was invited to submit some research I had prepared on one of these families (Downes), which is included in the book. This family, at least, was literate and enterpreneurial so there was no difficulty finding documentary evidence for them. Paul Keroack Ray Marshall <raymarsh@mninter.net> wrote: Virtually all of us have wondered why virtually none of us have been able to find documents in the possession of our ancestors that one might have expected: emigration papers, passenger ship tickets, immigration papers, naturalization papers, insurance documents marriage certificates, etc. Well, and you're not going to like this, but I just learned what happened to them. I'm watching EWTN Catholic Television and they are interviewing the priest who is responsible for collecting the information on Father Michael McGivney, founder of the Knights of Columbus, Catholic men's fraternal order. The KCs would love to see him canonized as a saint of the Catholic Church. But much research needs to be done on his life before that can happen. The priest being interviewed said that he discovered that it was the habit of the Irish in Connecticut (Father McGivney was from New Haven) to keep all their important family papers beneath the upholstery of their family furniture. But he never did discover what happened to the McGivney family furniture.
It's been told to me a couple of times that my Sullivans were the Fele Sullivans from Glencar. Seems like it would be easy? Glencar isn't a townland. But it's on the map. It's clearly in Glenbeigh; that's where the church is. * It's not in " General Alphabetical Index to the Townlands and Towns, Parishes, and Baronies of Ireland," 1861. * It's not described in the 1901 or 1911 censuses. So is it like the town of Killorglin...not quite a official designation but a real place? If so what townlands are considered Glencar? If I'm searching parish records, should I be searching Glenbeigh? William D Romanski Always want to hear from Moriartys in Killorglin, Griffins from Glenbeigh and Doonas the world around. _________________________________________________________________ See what youre getting into before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507
Amanda The population of Ireland in 1840, before the famine, was over 8,000,000. Mostly through emigration, the population decreased to less than 3,000,000 by 1971. Economic good fortune has finally reversed that long term decline and the population is pushing 4,000,000 now. The figures you have for Valentia don't sound particularly unusual. Many townlands lost all their population during the famine. Ray -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Amanda Clifford Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:58 PM To: IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Valencia/Valentia Hi, I'm wondering if anyone out there has any information concerning the history of Valencia/Valentia Island? When I was in Ireland this past January, many of the locals told me that pre-famine, the population was in the thousands (4,000 seems to stand out for some reason) but that after the famine, the population dropped to about 400 - and was, in 1991, about 680. I have tried googling a history of the island, but really to no avail in terms of specific famine history - mostly I find information on the laying of the first trans-Atlantic cable (which is, in and of itself, very interesting, but not what I am looking for) :-). In any event, I'm wondering if anyone can verify the above claim about the population decrease, as well as any other information pertinent to the history of the island (particularly pre-famine to famine and slightly afterwards). Thanks. -A ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.10/943 - Release Date: 8/8/2007 5:38 PM
HI all, My mum as a child was in a Catholic Home .So growing up she had very little information to pass on For as long as I can remember she told us all her papers were in the back of the TV. After her funeral everyone was thinking, now we will find out at last about her parents . Can you imagine all of us trying to take the TV apart. What was there !!!! Nothing. But from my Kerry search I have found her youngest brother here in OZ [he never knew she existed] and her nieces and nephews. Trish in Sydney O'Connor's and Teahans from Ballfinnane and Currow,son Maurice went to New Zealand also Cournane and Bowler from Cahersiveen ,daughter Mary Frances married Maurice in NZ 1881
Good morning! Speaking of the Emigrant Savings Bank records I have Volume I which covers 1850 - 1853. I'd be happy to do a look up for anyone who thinks their ancestors might have had an account there. For some of these depositors there is lots of personal and/or family information entered in their account record. Unfortunately, I've never found any of my relatives with accounts there so I guess there's no 'family fortune' that I missed out on. (Then again, I haven't checked in the rafters .......... Hmmmmm!) Pat in very warm and quiet South Florida In a message dated 8/11/2007 12:00:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, raymarsh@mninter.net writes: But for those of you who aren't familiar with the Emigrant Savings Bank records, if you have relatives that lived for a time in New York City, they might be something for you to check out. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
In a message dated 8/11/2007 12:00:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, raymarsh@mninter.net writes: But for those of you who aren't familiar with the Emigrant Savings Bank records, if you have relatives that lived for a time in New York City, they might be something for you to check out. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
I don't know why - The good Rev. was getting his supply every Sunday Morning. It is not sinful to have a drink of the spirits, It may be sinful to appear drunk in front of the Good Father. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Do I see my friend Jack picking on us Connecticut Yankees???? Good heavens, I don't know where this story originated from, about storing important papers in the furniture. True, them Connecticut Yankees didn't trust those slick City Bankers, but from my recollection of storing valuable papers, I can tell you that the best place was in the rafters in the basement, and a far cry better then a can buried in the back yard. Hard to find those buried cans in the winter under a foot of snow. And always a pint on the rafter covering the papers with only a corner left in it. Liz in warm and sunny Florida ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
It came from a man of the cloth, Liz! I'd agree that a buried can probably wasn't such a good idea. I'm wondering about the "pint on the rafters", though. Wouldn't Father Mathew, the Temperance Preacher take a strong dislike to pints hidden up in the rafters? Just wondering. Ray In Minneapolis, secure in the knowledge that the green tackle box is probably safe -----Original Message----- From: Lizziems@aol.com [mailto:Lizziems@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 5:43 PM To: sweelab@enter.net; raymarsh@mninter.net Cc: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Bad news, Kerry researchers! Do I see my friend Jack picking on us Connecticut Yankees???? Good heavens, I don't know where this story originated from, about storing important papers in the furniture. True, them Connecticut Yankees didn't trust those slick City Bankers, but from my recollection of storing valuable papers, I can tell you that the best place was in the rafters in the basement, and a far cry better then a can buried in the back yard. Hard to find those buried cans in the winter under a foot of snow. And always a pint on the rafter covering the papers with only a corner left in it. Liz in warm and sunny Florida ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Marshall" <raymarsh@mninter.net> To: "Joan W." <jwhitney@pacifier.com> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 11:52 AM Subject: RE: [IRL-KERRY] Bad news, Kerry researchers! > > Joan. > > You just sent that to me. > > You have to send it to the list, too: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com > > > Ray > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joan W. [mailto:jwhitney@pacifier.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:21 PM > To: Ray Marshall > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Bad news, Kerry researchers! > > > Hey guys, I have been singing the praises of the Emmigrant Savings Bank of > NY for several weeks now. Records also, in my case, anyway, have date of > immigration, name of ship, name of family members, and in one case, "and > one > brother, George, in California". It is a great site and is on Ancestry. > Go > to NY. Go to Immigration, Naturalization, and it is about 13 sites from > the > bottom. Good luck. Joan on the Sunny (finally, 70 degrees) Washington > State coast. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Marshall" <raymarsh@mninter.net> > To: "John L. Sweeney" <sweelab@enter.net> > Cc: <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 8:48 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Bad news, Kerry researchers! > > >> >> The shanty Irish from which I'm descended, Jack, probably couldn't afford >> a >> safety deposit box. And they probably didn't have them in the small >> towns >> on the western frontier where the adventuresome settled. >> >> But for those of you who aren't familiar with the Emigrant Savings Bank >> records, if you have relatives that lived for a time in New York City, >> they >> might be something for you to check out. >> >> Their records are on microfilm of the transactions between depositors who >> wanted to send money to Ireland to relatives so that they might be able >> to >> emigrate. The records often include the U.S. and Irish addresses. >> >> >> Ray Marshall >> in hot, humid, sticky and sweltering Minneapolis >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John L. Sweeney [mailto:sweelab@enter.net] >> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:26 AM >> To: Ray Marshall >> Cc: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Bad news, Kerry researchers! >> >> >> Good Morning Ray et al: >> >> The EWTN program presented [evidently] part of the explanation >> for the difficulties of contemporary family history searchers. >> >> Of course the behavior of our ancestors were influenced by >> the personalities and character of the original residents of the places >> those Kerryfolk made their "American home". >> >> Connecticut's original residents were solid Yankees [not The Bronx sort] >> and >> they originated the use of flammable storage places that must be >> esthetically >> pleasing to the eye and indicative of superior status. >> >> Wanting to "fit in" the Kerryfolk adopted the impractical habits >> and timeless delusions of their new Connecticut neighbors. >> >> Of course the Kerryfolk who settled in New York City had the >> example of resident New Yorkers who used various bank services. >> Thus, The Emigrant Savings Bank's safety deposit box vaults was >> the repository of matter deemed to be important to save, safely. >> >> It seemed apt to throw in a bit of clarification for our "AU & NZ" >> brothers and sisters. >> >> Love, Jack Sweeney in bright & cool Palmer, Pennsylvania. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/946 - Release Date: 8/10/2007 > 3:50 PM > >
The shanty Irish from which I'm descended, Jack, probably couldn't afford a safety deposit box. And they probably didn't have them in the small towns on the western frontier where the adventuresome settled. But for those of you who aren't familiar with the Emigrant Savings Bank records, if you have relatives that lived for a time in New York City, they might be something for you to check out. Their records are on microfilm of the transactions between depositors who wanted to send money to Ireland to relatives so that they might be able to emigrate. The records often include the U.S. and Irish addresses. Ray Marshall in hot, humid, sticky and sweltering Minneapolis -----Original Message----- From: John L. Sweeney [mailto:sweelab@enter.net] Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:26 AM To: Ray Marshall Cc: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Bad news, Kerry researchers! Good Morning Ray et al: The EWTN program presented [evidently] part of the explanation for the difficulties of contemporary family history searchers. Of course the behavior of our ancestors were influenced by the personalities and character of the original residents of the places those Kerryfolk made their "American home". Connecticut's original residents were solid Yankees [not The Bronx sort] and they originated the use of flammable storage places that must be esthetically pleasing to the eye and indicative of superior status. Wanting to "fit in" the Kerryfolk adopted the impractical habits and timeless delusions of their new Connecticut neighbors. Of course the Kerryfolk who settled in New York City had the example of resident New Yorkers who used various bank services. Thus, The Emigrant Savings Bank's safety deposit box vaults was the repository of matter deemed to be important to save, safely. It seemed apt to throw in a bit of clarification for our "AU & NZ" brothers and sisters. Love, Jack Sweeney in bright & cool Palmer, Pennsylvania.
Good Morning Ray et al: The EWTN program presented [evidently] part of the explanation for the difficulties of contemporary family history searchers. Of course the behavior of our ancestors were influenced by the personalities and character of the original residents of the places those Kerryfolk made their "American home". Connecticut's original residents were solid Yankees [not The Bronx sort] and they originated the use of flammable storage places that must be esthetically pleasing to the eye and indicative of superior status. Wanting to "fit in" the Kerryfolk adopted the impractical habits and timeless delusions of their new Connecticut neighbors. Of course the Kerryfolk who settled in New York City had the example of resident New Yorkers who used various bank services. Thus, The Emigrant Savings Bank's safety deposit box vaults was the repository of matter deemed to be important to save, safely. It seemed apt to throw in a bit of clarification for our "AU & NZ" brothers and sisters. Love, Jack Sweeney in bright & cool Palmer, Pennsylvania.
Virtually all of us have wondered why virtually none of us have been able to find documents in the possession of our ancestors that one might have expected: emigration papers, passenger ship tickets, immigration papers, naturalization papers, insurance documents marriage certificates, etc. Well, and you're not going to like this, but I just learned what happened to them. I'm watching EWTN Catholic Television and they are interviewing the priest who is responsible for collecting the information on Father Michael McGivney, founder of the Knights of Columbus, Catholic men's fraternal order. The KCs would love to see him canonized as a saint of the Catholic Church. But much research needs to be done on his life before that can happen. The priest being interviewed said that he discovered that it was the habit of the Irish in Connecticut (Father McGivney was from New Haven) to keep all their important family papers beneath the upholstery of their family furniture. But he never did discover what happened to the McGivney family furniture. Now, put down that hatchet if you are heading into your dining room. Use a sharp knife and be careful as you disassemble those 140 year old chairs. And good luck. I don't know what happened to my grandparent's dining room furniture. We got their kitchen table, Zenith console radio and 17" TV set, I know. My dad who was Polish and had different traditions, kept all of our important papers in a green fishing tackle box in the cupboard over the kitchen sink. They were treated like gold. And now my sister has it. Or, she better have it!
We have a Godmother to one of our great aunts who was a COAKELY. Supposing that if she was a Godmother she must almost certainly have been kith if not kin, I have searched around the south Cork registers ( Templemichael, Dunderrow, Inishannon, Ballymartle ) for this name and only found a few - but was then informed that it could be written as COCHLAN / COGHLAN / COUGHLY....... or even COLCLOUGH! There were a few in and around, it certainly wasn't a common name. But were all these names related?? In other words, are all these names referring to the same " family " groups in the same way as, say all the O BRIEN are of the same family? And speaking of family ( or " Clan " ) surnames, one thing has always puzzled me. Surely not all those sharing the same surname can be of the same family? If your name is O SULLIVAN, could it mean that somewhere back your family was a either 1) related by blood 2) a servant, slave, retainer etc 3) just came from the area over which the O SULLIVAN'S had control And if they WERE all actually related, how come some names ( i.e. MURPHY, McCARTHY, O SULLIVAN etc etc ) have trillions of members, and others only a handful? Were some families just more pushy than others? Slan, Mary
Amanda, I remember a lot of discussion on this list about Valencia. It was maybe three years ago. I don't recall whether the discussion specifically addressed population and history, but you may want to check the list's archives. Genie Flahie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Clifford" <mave77@comcast.net> To: <IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Valencia/Valentia > Hi, > > > > I'm wondering if anyone out there has any information concerning the > history > of Valencia/Valentia Island? > > > > When I was in Ireland this past January, many of the locals told me that > pre-famine, the population was in the thousands (4,000 seems to stand out > for some reason) but that after the famine, the population dropped to > about > 400 - and was, in 1991, about 680. > > > > I have tried googling a history of the island, but really to no avail in > terms of specific famine history - mostly I find information on the laying > of the first trans-Atlantic cable (which is, in and of itself, very > interesting, but not what I am looking for) :-). > > > > In any event, I'm wondering if anyone can verify the above claim about the > population decrease, as well as any other information pertinent to the > history of the island (particularly pre-famine to famine and slightly > afterwards). > > > > Thanks. > > > > -A > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Castlemaine is in a different area than the area you mention but the following are 2 baptisms from the Castlemaine registers in case they help. 28 May 1815 Thomas, baptized Catholic, Kiltallagh ,Castlemaine, son of Patrick Ahern and _______, of Anna/Annagh, sponsors- John ____ and Mary______ 26 March 1817 Patrick, baptized Catholic, Castlemaine, son of ____ Ahern (cannot read given name of father) and Mary Gavane, sponsors- Michael and Helena/Ellen Fitzgerald Mary tmlein@insightbb.com http://groups.msn.com/BeautifulOldIrishPhotographs ----- Original Message ----- From: "John E Golden" <jgolden12@juno.com> To: <IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Patrick Ahern >I am searching for genealogy on Patrick Ahern early to mid 1800-he > married Margaret Moore I think in the area morvane or new town > sandes--Margaret migrated with her 4 children in about 1850--Patrick was > not with her so I assume he was deceased at that time. > Thank you for any info or direction you can extend to me > jgolden12@juno.com
Hi, We have added the FLAX GROWERS OF IRELAND, 1796 - for Kerry to the IGP Archives. You can view the list at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlarchive/ Click on Kerry and Census Substitutes. Regards, Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives