HI all. Some where along the way I have copied a list of marriages in Currow . There are a few Sullivans and O'Connor's on it 15 feb 1808 Jeremiah Connor married Nora Sullivan, Feb 1810 Patrick Connor married Cath Sullivan My input for today . And I might add a few Sweeny's appear also married to O'Connors. Trish O'Connors and Teahans from Ballfinnane and Currow,son Maurice went to New Zealand also Cournane and Bowler from Cahersiveen ,daughter Mary Frances married Maurice in NZ 1881

Worcester Hibernian Cultural Center 19 Temple St. Worcester Thursday Night Lecture Series The Tatnuck Burial Ground A PowerPoint presentation by local amateur historians John Canavan, Thomas Canavan and Mary Ellen Radziewicz Nov. 1, 2007 7:00 pm 2007 marks the one hundredth anniversary of the re-internment of some of Worcester’s earliest Catholic settlers. Moved from the “Tatnuck Burial Ground” to the St. John’s Cemetery in 1907, little was known of the some two thousand or so people that once rested there, until now. Local researchers John and Thomas Canavan, and Mary Ellen Radziewicz will talk at the Hibernian Cultural Centre on Thursday, November 1st at 7:00pm about their efforts to learn more about what was once the area’s oldest Catholic cemetery. When was it established, when was it moved? Where was the burial ground? Where are they now? Why was it moved, and what were the stipulations placed on the diocese and were they met? Were there records (no, which made meeting the state's stipulations difficult)? And of course, Who was buried there? In 1876, Irish-born, local historian, Richard O'Flynn, and his son Thomas, transcribed the legible epitaphs from some 81 markers in the small, neglected burial ground that was Tatnuck during the last half of the 19th century. O’ Flynn’s work is less than 100 names, and some wonderful epitaphs. In 2005, John and Tom Canavan searched the Worcester death records and found over 800 Tatnuck burials. Most of the entries contained name, date of deaths, age, causes of death, spouse or parents etc., however the records kept prior to 1845 were less comprehensive. This information was used to create a large database that now includes information from Worcester’s birth, death and marriage records, as well as from vital records for some other Worcester County towns. The database also contains information from church records, naturalization records, census returns, Worcester directories and two St. John’s Cemetery epitaph transcription projects; one by O’Flynn in 1886, one by Mary Ellen Radziewicz and Frank and Marion Conery in the 21st century. Ms. Radziewicz’s contributions to the database also include much “place of origin” information gleaned through her work with O’Flynn’s notebooks and the “Search for Missing Friends” columns published in the Catholic newspaper of the day, The Pilot. The database enables us to examine Catholics in Worcester County to 1850. With it we see the individuals and the larger immigrant community. Come to Hibernian Cultural Centre on Thursday, November 1st at 7:00pm to learn where they were from; where they lived; who they married (and at what age); what they did for work; what was killing them; and was that common back then? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Fran, I know we have spoke before about Sheas. I'm not finding parishes easily around Waterville but one of the comments given to me by the official from St John's in Tralee who notified me about my great-grandparents marriage record, was that Michael Shea had relatives listed in the parish. With his mother and sisters gone to America and I believe his father was dead, I don't know about any brothers, It could have been why they went there to be married. I would have thought they would have been married in Kildare where Bridget Dunn was from. But in reference to your query, John Joseph Shea goes back several generations in my family. Rick Shea

I would agree that there is never a completely smooth changeover from one program to another. I have often kept my backups on both gedcom and FTM files in hopes of having one or the other available. But twice the installation of a new version of FTM failed to pick up all the data or data correctly, most often the notes and/or references were not transferred. I tended to keep paper copies of the data, notes and references so I could at least re-enter if necessary. Rick Shea

Good Evening Kerry Folk: I'm hoping for "any" contact with a Breen from Lahard, Kerry. My [possible] granduncle lived with a Breen family in Lahard at the time of the 1901 Census. There weren't many Breen's in Lahard at the time and I assusme any Breen will probably know of other Breen's living in the place at the same time. Love, Jack Sweeney, in duskish Palmer, Pennsylvania.

Hello...In reply to Fran Weeks' question about the Sullivans and O'Connors, I have a Hannah sullivan whom my ggg grandather, James O'Connor, married around 1822(?). She was born in 1799, and he born in 1801; not quite sure where in Ireland, but believe it was in the Roscommon/Kerry area. Any connections here? I've found numerous mentions of O'Connors and Suolivans marrying, so it's been quite hard to trace my particular line. SallyAnn (O'Connor) McChesney irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Dan Keating (Mary Simpson) 2. Re: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 280 (Christina Hunt) 3. 19th century names (Mary Simpson) 4. Re: 19th century names (Gilbertrme@aol.com) 5. Re: 19th century names (~Vet*Nurse~) 6. Fw: Sullivans, Sheas & Connors in Tralee (Fran Weeks) From: Mary Simpson <mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk> To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:26:12 +0100 Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Dan Keating Perhaps the manner of the treatment to poor Dan Keating by his some of his fellow countrymen gives some idea of how the Brits were able to occupy and subjugate the country for over 700 years..... Mary From: Christina Hunt <filidh@carolina.rr.com> To: <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:46:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 280 I have never had a perfect changeover from one program to another. You are likely to lose the way things were done in your current program. The creator of Family Origins has a newer program called Rootsmagic. It is very nice and similar in format to Family Origins. You can download a trial from the website. You should not have the compatibility issues other than sentence wording which you will have to tweak. http://www.rootsmagic.com/ Good luck! Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlarchive/ | This is an appeal to the collective wisdom of the List. | | In trying to transfer my data from "Family Origins" which I have | been using for some years, over to "Family Tree Maker", I appear to | have successfully got the main data into GEDCOM format and copied | to a CD ready to install on FTM on a different machine. | | | Background data such as Notes and Sources applying to individual | family members, however, does not seem to have made the transfer. | | Does anyone know if there is a particular method or trick for | achieving From: Mary Simpson <mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk> To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com, IRL-WEXFORD@rootsweb.com, irL-CORK@rootsweb.com, irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:39:29 +0100 Subject: [IRL-KERRY] 19th century names Think that I may well have asked this question before - but still have not resolved the puzzle. According to family - father, uncles, aunts, cousins etc etc, one of our Cork g.grandmothers went by the name of " Lily ". But I can find no trace of this name in the records - so it must, of course, be a pet name or nickname, so what would the " real " name be??? This would have been about early to mid 1800s. The only contenders in the parish records would have been a Catherine or Norry , would Catherine have transmogrified Catherine - Caitlin - Lily? I would have thought that " Lily " may have been Ellen or Elizabeth, but these names don't fit with the records. And the children only had the usual Cork names - Johanna, Mary, Margaret, Norah etc. Anybody got any ideas? Has anyone else had this problem? Mary From: Gilbertrme@aol.com To: mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk, irl-kerry@rootsweb.com, IRL-WEXFORD@rootsweb.com, irL-CORK@rootsweb.com, irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:25:02 EDT Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] 19th century names Hello Here is a great web site that deal with the meanings of first names. --Mary Ellen _http://www.behindthename.com/name/li10le_ (http://www.behindthename.com/name/li10le) LÍLE Gender: Feminine Usage: _Irish_ (http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/iri.php) Irish form of _LILY_ (http://www.behindthename.com/name/lily) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From: GenDigger@comcast.net (~Vet*Nurse~) To: Mary Simpson <mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk>; irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:26:07 +0000 Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] 19th century names Mary, I too have a "Lilly" in my family and her Christian name was "Lillian", so that is an option also. Good luck. Terrae -------------- Original message -------------- From: Mary Simpson > Think that I may well have asked this question before - but still > have not resolved the puzzle. According to family - father, uncles, > aunts, cousins etc etc, one of our Cork g.grandmothers went by the name > of " Lily ". But I can find no trace of this name in the records - > so it must, of course, be a pet name or nickname, so what would the " > real " name be??? This would have been about early to mid 1800s. > > The only contenders in the parish records would have been a Catherine > or Norry , would Catherine have transmogrified Catherine - Caitlin - > Lily? > > I would have thought that " Lily " may have been Ellen or Elizabeth, > but these names don't fit with the records. And the children only had > the usual Cork names - Johanna, Mary, Margaret, Norah etc. > > Anybody got any ideas? Has anyone else had this problem? > > Mary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message From: "Fran Weeks" <fifi36@comcast.net> To: <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:28:05 -0400 Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Fw: Sullivans, Sheas & Connors in Tralee Hello to the List. I have recently discovered within my Sullivan roots other families from the surrounding area and thought I'd mention them here just in case anyone's interested. Have a look! Baptisms of children of Jeremiah and Catherine (O'CONNOR) SULLIVAN: 06/10/1807 - Ellen, WITNESSES: Jeremiah CONNOR & Margaret SAVAGE 11/20/1809 - Catherine, WITNESSES: Thomas COLLINS & Margaret STACK 04/04/1812 - Daniel, WITNESSES: John SULLIVAN & Catherine SULLIVAN 01/16/1817 - John, WITNESSES: John SHEA & Bridget CONNOR 09/09/1821 - Dermot, WITNESSES: Denis SHEA & Joanna CONNOR Jeremiah's father was also named John SULLIVAN. His wife may have been Julia SHEA. It appears that these births, which were in the townland of Tralee, barony of Trughanacmy, took place in different parishes, several of which I haven't been able to locate. These include: Curraheen, Diriquay(?) or Derryquay(?), Ratass, Curraghleha (East or West?) and Tralee. Fran Weeks To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Hello to the List. I have recently discovered within my Sullivan roots other families from the surrounding area and thought I'd mention them here just in case anyone's interested. Have a look! Baptisms of children of Jeremiah and Catherine (O'CONNOR) SULLIVAN: 06/10/1807 - Ellen, WITNESSES: Jeremiah CONNOR & Margaret SAVAGE 11/20/1809 - Catherine, WITNESSES: Thomas COLLINS & Margaret STACK 04/04/1812 - Daniel, WITNESSES: John SULLIVAN & Catherine SULLIVAN 01/16/1817 - John, WITNESSES: John SHEA & Bridget CONNOR 09/09/1821 - Dermot, WITNESSES: Denis SHEA & Joanna CONNOR Jeremiah's father was also named John SULLIVAN. His wife may have been Julia SHEA. It appears that these births, which were in the townland of Tralee, barony of Trughanacmy, took place in different parishes, several of which I haven't been able to locate. These include: Curraheen, Diriquay(?) or Derryquay(?), Ratass, Curraghleha (East or West?) and Tralee. Fran Weeks

Mary, I too have a "Lilly" in my family and her Christian name was "Lillian", so that is an option also. Good luck. Terrae -------------- Original message -------------- From: Mary Simpson <mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk> > Think that I may well have asked this question before - but still > have not resolved the puzzle. According to family - father, uncles, > aunts, cousins etc etc, one of our Cork g.grandmothers went by the name > of " Lily ". But I can find no trace of this name in the records - > so it must, of course, be a pet name or nickname, so what would the " > real " name be??? This would have been about early to mid 1800s. > > The only contenders in the parish records would have been a Catherine > or Norry , would Catherine have transmogrified Catherine - Caitlin - > Lily? > > I would have thought that " Lily " may have been Ellen or Elizabeth, > but these names don't fit with the records. And the children only had > the usual Cork names - Johanna, Mary, Margaret, Norah etc. > > Anybody got any ideas? Has anyone else had this problem? > > Mary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Think that I may well have asked this question before - but still have not resolved the puzzle. According to family - father, uncles, aunts, cousins etc etc, one of our Cork g.grandmothers went by the name of " Lily ". But I can find no trace of this name in the records - so it must, of course, be a pet name or nickname, so what would the " real " name be??? This would have been about early to mid 1800s. The only contenders in the parish records would have been a Catherine or Norry , would Catherine have transmogrified Catherine - Caitlin - Lily? I would have thought that " Lily " may have been Ellen or Elizabeth, but these names don't fit with the records. And the children only had the usual Cork names - Johanna, Mary, Margaret, Norah etc. Anybody got any ideas? Has anyone else had this problem? Mary

Hello Here is a great web site that deal with the meanings of first names. --Mary Ellen _http://www.behindthename.com/name/li10le_ (http://www.behindthename.com/name/li10le) LÍLE Gender: Feminine Usage: _Irish_ (http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/iri.php) Irish form of _LILY_ (http://www.behindthename.com/name/lily) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Perhaps the manner of the treatment to poor Dan Keating by his some of his fellow countrymen gives some idea of how the Brits were able to occupy and subjugate the country for over 700 years..... Mary

I have never had a perfect changeover from one program to another. You are likely to lose the way things were done in your current program. The creator of Family Origins has a newer program called Rootsmagic. It is very nice and similar in format to Family Origins. You can download a trial from the website. You should not have the compatibility issues other than sentence wording which you will have to tweak. http://www.rootsmagic.com/ Good luck! Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlarchive/ | This is an appeal to the collective wisdom of the List. | | In trying to transfer my data from "Family Origins" which I have | been using for some years, over to "Family Tree Maker", I appear to | have successfully got the main data into GEDCOM format and copied | to a CD ready to install on FTM on a different machine. | | | Background data such as Notes and Sources applying to individual | family members, however, does not seem to have made the transfer. | | Does anyone know if there is a particular method or trick for | achieving

This is an appeal to the collective wisdom of the List. In trying to transfer my data from "Family Origins" which I have been using for some years, over to "Family Tree Maker", I appear to have successfully got the main data into GEDCOM format and copied to a CD ready to install on FTM on a different machine. Background data such as Notes and Sources applying to individual family members, however, does not seem to have made the transfer. Does anyone know if there is a particular method or trick for achieving this? Thanks anyone for any help you can give, Terry Heffernan Christchurch New Zealand

My father never forgot the brutality perpertrated by his former comrades it stayed with him until his death. Kerry people don't forget. TOM & PEG -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:04 AM To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 279 Today's Topics: 1. Old Wounds never heal in County Kerry (Ray Marshall) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:36:15 -0500 From: "Ray Marshall" <raymarsh@mninter.net> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Old Wounds never heal in County Kerry To: "Kerry List" <IRL-Kerry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <JDEMLDCBLONGAEDEIEFOMEEHEIAA.raymarsh@mninter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >From this week's Kerry's Eye on line **************************************************************************** *** Civil War Politics alive in Kerry? There has been shock and dismay in Kerry this week at the failure of most Kerry politicians to pay their respects to 105-year-old Dan Keating who died last week. Dan Keating was the last surviving veteran of Ireland?s War of Independence. Normally thick on the ground at Kerry funerals and tripping over themselves to be noticed, their absence was visibly noticed at Keating? s funeral. Kerry?s public representatives, which includes over 50 town and county councillors, and eight of the nine Oireachtas members, stayed away from the requiem mass of the county?s oldest person. Newly elected Senator Mark Daly was the only Kerry public representative at the requiem Mass. Mayor of Kerry Michael Healy-Rae, Fine Gael councillor Michael O'Connor Scarteen and Tom Fleming (FF) attended the removal on Thursday night. Are Civil War politics still alive in Kerry? What a shame our politicians could not have put their political differences aside and attended the funeral to bid farewell to one of Ireland?s oldest and best known citizens. ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 279 *****************************************

I say "AMEN" to your comment Ray. I just read about this event on the Kerry Eye website, where I'm always looking for the O'Leary surname and finding one in the obits of Kathleen O'Leary of Nohovaldaly, age 91, who loved to reminisce about the Black & Tans. Don, in gray & chilly Indianapolis, IN where the leaves are starting to fall even before turning color. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

It seems Ray is correct--Civil War politics still alive in Kerry? Shameful lack of respect. That even old enemies can't say so long. God Bless All, Walt McElligott POB 452, Beecher, IL USA, 60401, Editor of Chicago Writers Association (http://chicagowrites.org) CLARION Newsletter (quarterly) January 1, 2008

You have to specify that you want all files, messages etc. to be included when you make the gedcom. Once they are there, they should import to your new program with everything included. Sometimes the files are not compatable and you may have to go into the program to see how it is set up to transfer notes, and messages. I am not familiar with FTM so cannot help you there. Paf is a free software program from FHC and if you download that and import your gedcom - and if all files, notes and messages are imported, then perhaps it is a conflict with FTM and your old program Those are suggestions - perhaps someone familiar with FTM can help you with that problem better. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

In re, the old wounds article, what exactly is the removal when it comes to burying the dead? Michael DANAHY http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/d/a/n/Michael-C-Danahy/index.html RESEARCHING IN MA (Hopkinton), IRE, ENG ALDRICH http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~aldrichnaa/ (one m SMITH, earlier ones m CASAVANT, COMEE, http://www.familyorigins.com/users/e/v/a/Jeanne-C-Evans LOVELL, PRAY, PRENTICE, RAWSON, SEALD, THAYER); http://members.xoom.com/jaldrich/Lines/Michael.htm Aldrich Family biographies, go to http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssociation/AldrichBios or go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aldrich/ CASAVANT (who m MORAN); CURRAN (who m DANAHY) DANAHY (b. in Hopkinton and who m LENAN, siblings m. TOLAN, JOHNSON, O'CONNOR) LENAN (who m O"BRIEN); SMITH (who m CASEY); PRENTICE (who m ALDRICH) http://www.prenticenet.com/roots/prentice/robert/#R4 RAWSON (one m ALLEN, later one TORREY) http://www.rawsonfamilyassoc.org/ THAYER (Thomas m WHEELER, son Ferdinando m HAYWARD); http://members.aol.com/Sadie476/Thayer.html

>From this week's Kerry's Eye on line **************************************************************************** *** Civil War Politics alive in Kerry? There has been shock and dismay in Kerry this week at the failure of most Kerry politicians to pay their respects to 105-year-old Dan Keating who died last week. Dan Keating was the last surviving veteran of Ireland’s War of Independence. Normally thick on the ground at Kerry funerals and tripping over themselves to be noticed, their absence was visibly noticed at Keating’ s funeral. Kerry’s public representatives, which includes over 50 town and county councillors, and eight of the nine Oireachtas members, stayed away from the requiem mass of the county’s oldest person. Newly elected Senator Mark Daly was the only Kerry public representative at the requiem Mass. Mayor of Kerry Michael Healy-Rae, Fine Gael councillor Michael O'Connor Scarteen and Tom Fleming (FF) attended the removal on Thursday night. Are Civil War politics still alive in Kerry? What a shame our politicians could not have put their political differences aside and attended the funeral to bid farewell to one of Ireland’s oldest and best known citizens.