Clifford, This topic came up recently on the Allegheny Co. PA list - this is what I posted in answer to someone else's question. Hope this helps!: It is my understanding that young immigrant men were able to file for > naturalization if they were in the US when they were 18 years or > younger, upon turning 21, with five years of residency. Women and > children automatically received naturalization upon the husband or > father's naturalization. Therefore, a child at the age of say, 6 would have received naturalization at the time his father did. > > As for women's citizenship regulations - there was an act in 1855 > which allowed alien women to be eligible/acquire citizenhip by > marrying a US citizen, or upon the naturalization of her alien born > husband. > > Thus, in the case of Johanna, since she was 19 when she arrived, she > was probably missed the mark on being considered a "child" and falling > under her father's naturalization - she probably received naturalization through whomever she married - whether they were a natural born citizen or an immigrant who received his own naturalization. > > See this site for reference: > > > http://www.sdhistory.org/arc/naturalizationarchives/naturalization_records.h tm > > -A > P.S. > > No one needed citizenship papers or any other papers to travel to and > to enter the country (the US) - in fact, immigrants were not allowed > to obtain citizenship until they had fulfilled a 5 year residency > requirement - and after that, they had to file the petition of intent > first - and then wait I > believe 3 years (but I am not certain of this) before becoming > naturalized. > > Actually, now that I think about it - perhaps they were able to file > the petition of intent immediately but then had to wait out the 5 year > residency requirement before becoming naturalized. > > But the bottom line is that no naturalization papers or other papers > aside from their tickets were needed to travel or to enter the country > - > > Most, if not all immigrants (because I am not sure if an immigrant > sailing directly to Philadelphia stopped and did this first) would > have passed through Castle Gardens in NY first - and gone through an > examination and processing department - > > Your John most certainly would have done this if he stayed in NY for a > bit. > > This is a brief account, according to The New York Times Marine > Intelligence Column published December 23, 1866 of what he would have > gone through > there: > > "Each emigrant, man, woman and child, passes up in rotation to the > Bureau, and gives to the registrar his or her name and destination, as > a check upon the return of the Captain of the vessel, who gives the > name, place of birth, > age and occupation. One of the leading officers connected with the Bureau > of > Information then mounts a rostrum, and addressing the assembled emigrants, > tells them that such as are not otherwise provided for, or prepared to pay > for their accommodation, can find shelter under the roof of that building; > that advice and information of the best and most reliable kind can be had > relative to tickets for railway and steamer to take them East, West, North > or South; as to the best means of obtaining employment, for which a > register > is kept in the Intelligence Department of the Institution; also as to the > best and most expeditious routes to take, with facilities for > corresponding > with friends, and of changing money at the Bureau of Exchange. The > Intelligence Department is largely resorted to by emigrants, inasmuch as > there they can obtain information as to probable situations without fee, > for > which outside they are asked $2 by the employment agents. A careful > supervision is exercised by the office as to the suitability and > respectability of the parties on both sides. All this is well and wisely > done for the protection of the emigrant, who would otherwise, if let to > himself, become the prey of sharpers, boarding-house "runners", > "scalpers", > leafers, et id genus omne. Such as are ill or invalid are at once sent to > the State Hospital, where they receive the best of medical treatment and > general attention. A tolerable estimate may be formed of the work and > labor > devolving on the establishment, when it is remembered that during the past > month of November, 17,280 emigrants had arrived at Castle Garden, or a > grand > total of 219,830 to that date since the beginning of the year, while > according to the latest return made up to Thursday last, the total number > of > arrivals from January to Dec. 5, had reached the enormous number of > 222,494, > being an increase of 26,142 over the corresponding period of the preceding > year--all permeating and passing through the great artery of life and > labor > at Castle Garden. The advantages conferred by the regulations of the > institution are developed every day in the shield of protection that, by > means of its advice, information and police, it confers on the > unsuspecting > emigrant and on the unprotected female, the friendless, the orphan and the > widow." > > More information can be found at: > > http://members.tripod.com/~L_Alfano/immig.htm > > -A > -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Clifford Smith Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:22 PM To: Ireland Clare; IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb. Com; IRL-KERRY Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Naturalization Records Fellow Listers I am trying to learn what and when Naturalization or Loyalty records were required. I have records of my immigrant grandparents from 1700s to late 1890s. Prior to Ellis Island how where minors handled? But what about those who were underage at entry into US and not with parents? Did they have to have a sponsor - of age - here sign for them? Or, did they (the Minors) sign something for themselves? Did they pay something? For citizenship? Were they just admitted - period. When they became of age did they then have to do some form of registration? Prior to Ellis Island were the immigration requirements different by port and state? As near as I can determine I have several relatives who came to this country as minors unescorted -especially from Ireland. Can someone steer me in the right direction. Much love Clifford Smith Researching Akey, Conway, Hastings, Clymer, McCallister, Mann, Schmidt. >From wild and wonderful AND COLORFUL WEST VIRGINIA. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fellow Listers I am trying to learn what and when Naturalization or Loyalty records were required. I have records of my immigrant grandparents from 1700s to late 1890s. Prior to Ellis Island how where minors handled? But what about those who were underage at entry into US and not with parents? Did they have to have a sponsor - of age - here sign for them? Or, did they (the Minors) sign something for themselves? Did they pay something? For citizenship? Were they just admitted - period. When they became of age did they then have to do some form of registration? Prior to Ellis Island were the immigration requirements different by port and state? As near as I can determine I have several relatives who came to this country as minors unescorted -especially from Ireland. Can someone steer me in the right direction. Much love Clifford Smith Researching Akey, Conway, Hastings, Clymer, McCallister, Mann, Schmidt. >From wild and wonderful AND COLORFUL WEST VIRGINIA.

Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:19:51 -0700 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: [IRELAND] Ordnance Survey Memoirs -- "Irish Emigration Lists 1833-1839, " ed. Brian MITCHELLl To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> SNIPPET: In Ireland as a prelude to a nationwide valuation of land and buildings, i.e., the so-called Griffith's Valuation, the Ordnance Survey was directed to map the whole country at a scale of six inches to one mile. It was originally intended to accompany each map with written topographical descriptions for every civil parish. The field officers of the Ordnance Survey gathered a wealth of historical and socio-economic information for many parishes in their notebooks before the idea was abandoned in 1840. All the original manuscripts are deposited in 52 boxes in the Royal Irish Academy in Dublin. They cover 19 of Ireland's counties: Cos. Antrim and Londonderry contain by far the most detailed information with 17 and 20 boxes, respectively, of work papers. Cos. Donegal, Down, Fermanagh and Tyrone consist of 2-3 boxes, whereas the remainder, Cos. Armagh, Cavan, Cork, Galway, Leitrim, Leix, Longford, Mayo, Meath, Monaghan, Roscommon, Sligo and Tipperary have only one or part of a box each. Although these memoirs were complied a decade before the Great Famine, emigration was already a very significant demographic feature which was commented on and recorded by the compilers of the memoirs. The memoirs for Cos. Antrim and Londonderry are unique in that for many of their parishes lists of emigrants were compiled for a brief period in the mid-to-late 1830s. As emigration records these lists are unparalleled. These list identify both the destination of the emigrant and the place of emigration, and religious denomination is given for each emigrant named in the memoir. Published in "Irish Emigration Lists 1833-1839," ed. Brian Mitchell, Genealogical Pub. Co., Baltimore, MD, 1989. You should be able to find a copy in your genealogy library. http://books.google.com/books?id=MqAYwjPXVngC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=%22ordnance+ survey+memoirs%22+kerry&source=web&ots=0h_SKfi8qr&sig=OGRsnCBq8T218eAczPuNGx 9SjB0#PPA13,M1 http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5344572/An-epic-journey-into-Ireland .html http://www.newberry.org/genealogy/irish.html http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/magazine/articles/iha_placenames2.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:27:07 -0700 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: [IRELAND] Recent Trip to Ireland - Cobh, Cork's marvelous "Queenstown Story" Museum To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> SNIPPET: One of the most moving experiences my sister and I shared on our summer 2006 trip to Ireland was a visit to "The Queenstown Story" museum, Cobh's major sightseeing attraction that fills its harborside Victorian station. The topics and displays - the famine, Irish emigration, Australia-bound prison ships, the sinking of the "Lusitania," and the ill-fated voyage of the Belfast-built "Titanic," are fascinating in themselves. What set it apart for us was the heart-stopping multi-media experience. In a large, darkened room, dramatic film footage of heaving old ships, monstrous, pounding waves, the deafening cries of frightened passengers assail you on all sides. By the time we left we felt "half-drowned," having been at the mercy of a ship on the high seas. It effectively brought history and the emigrant experience home to us. Cobh (pron. "cove") in Co. Cork was the last Irish soil a great many emigrants had under their feet. It was the major port of emigration in the 19th century. Of the six million Irish who have emigrated to America, Canada and Australia since 1815, nearly half have left from Cobh. The first steam-powered ship to make a transatlantic crossing departed from Cobh in 1838, cutting the journey time from 50 days to 18. When Queen Victoria of England came to Ireland for the first time in 1849, Cobh was the first Irish ground she set foot on. The town renamed it "Queenstown" in her honor. It was still going by that name in 1912, when the Titanic" made its final fateful stop before heading out on his maiden (and only) voyage. To celebrate their new independence from British royalty in 1922, locals changed its name back to its original name, Cobh. The harborside has gaily painted houses, St. Colman's towering neo-Gothic cathedral is impressive, and the beautifully-sculpted emigration statue just outside the "Queenstown Story" set the mood for the experience to come. We were there on a gorgeous, sunny day, and the blue sky and sea were stunning. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:38:02 -0700 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: [IRELAND] Impressions - Emigrants & Travellers To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> EMIGRATION: "I was called on deck to smell the land -- and truly the change was very sensible ... It was the breath of youth and hope and love." -- Diary of Mary GAPPER. Regarding immigration to Quebec in 1847: "I spent a considerable part of the day watching a shark that followed in our wake with great constancy .. the mate said it was a certain forerunner of death." -- Robert WHYTE, "The Ocean Plague, or A Voyage to Quebec in an Irish Emigrant Vessel, Embracing a Quarantine at Grosse Isle in 1847, with notes Illustrative of the Ship Pestilence of that Fatal Year," pub. Boston 1848, copy in Library of Congress. "... If any class deserves to be protected and assisted by the government, it is that class who are banished from their native land in search of the bare means of subsistence ... The law is bound, at least on the English side ... to put an end to that system by which a firm of traders in emigrants purchase of the owners the whole 'tween decks of a ship, and send on board as many wretched people as they can get hold of on any terms they can get, without the smallest reference to the convenience of the steerage..or anything but their own immediate profit -- Author Charles DICKENS, "American Notes." "You have stated that, after getting to sea, the two privies on deck were destroyed?" "Yes ... they were only put up temporarily ... the day before she sailed ..." "And that there were none below?" "Yes. None below." "What was the remedy?" "There was no remedy ...." "In consequence of that there was a very bad smell below?" "You could not stand below." -- Testimony of Mr. Delany FINCH, Minutes of Evidence Taken Before the Select Committee on Emigrant Ships," 1854. "New York is a very brilliant city. To give the best idea of it I should describe it as something of a fusion between Liverpool and Paris -- crowded quays, long perspectives of vessels and masts, bustling streets, gay shops, tall white houses, and a clear brilliant sky overhead." -- Earl of Carlisle, "Travels in America." If a family could raise only enough money for one passage, the ticket would be bought in the name of the eldest son or daughter. When that son or daughter arrived in America and got a job, money would be sent back to Ireland to help the family pay the rent and eventually to buy another passage ticket for a younger brother or sister. This remittance system of "one bringing another" was to become so firmly rooted on both sides of the Atlantic that sister would follow brother, and brother sister, until the children of an entire family were reunited in America. As the "Cork Examiner," 22 June 1871 revealed, the emigrant's "chain" or link to Ireland does not draw him back despite the peculiar strength of Irish relationships, "but pulls forward those he has left behind." -- Excerpt, "Paddy's Lament, Ireland 1846-47," Thomas & Michael GALLAGHER (1982) "All during my life people kept going to America and there's not a family in this parish but has somebody living in the States. There was always a big night for anybody going away. Neily McCOLGAN, the blind fiddler, would be sent for, and they would dance till day-clearing. Then, too, for anybody coming home there was always a bottle-drink; but these led to so much drinking that Fr. FOX put down the bottle drinks entirely ... Times at home were bad, and they all left home with nothing but the clothes on their backs. The old people said that good health and the grace of God were fortunes enough for any young man or woman." -- Charles McGLINCHY, "The Last of the Name." ".... It was just like a big funeral ... and the last parting ... was indeed sad to see ... The parents especially were so sad, as if the person leaving were really dead ... You would rather not be there at all if you would be any way soft yourself." Manuscript 1411, Irish Folklore Department, University College, Dublin. The Irishman's love of his homeland and of the Irish way of life, despite the hardships imposed by the misbegotten union with Britain in 1800, had always, until the famine, limited emigration. The peasant's desperate hold upon his land, his passion for survival at home, his love of the Gaelic language, and his fear of puritan America's hostility to Catholicism had created a kind of psychological moat confining him to Ireland. But emigration had been used in the past as a remedy for hard times by adventurous Irishmen whose imagination had been fired by stories of America, by letters from emigrants who rode their own horses and spoke of being so far west in America that they had to crouch to let the sun go down. Per letter that appeared in the "Tipperary Vindicator" 5 Jan 1848 -- "I wish to heaven all our countrymen were here," wrote one such emigrant from the Chicago area. "... The labourer can earn as much in one day as will support him for a week. The richest land in the world may be purchased here or in Wisconsin for $1.25 an acre - equal to 5s 3d sterling - pure alluvial soil, for 30 feet of surface ... If I could show them the splendid prairie I am looking on, extending in wild luxuriant verdure far as the eye can reach -- virgin soil that will stand the wear and tear of ages without requiring a shovel full of manure -- how different would their situation be from what it is! How gladly they would fly with their families." -- Excerpt, "Through Irish Eyes," Smithmark Publishers (1998).

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Thanks Cheryl! I wondered who this person was and how they received my email. I hope this book can help someone. It is dated too late for my Kelly line :) Thanks gigi CLabre1068@aol.com wrote: Hello GiGi, I hope you're mending well. I have seen Noel Farrell's book. It contains just as it states. Cheryl --------------------------------- See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who do nothing about them" Albert Einstein __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hello Kerry family I received this mail yesterday. Has anyone heard of this person or book? I am not sure how they got my name so if someone knows anything - whether it's a good thing or not, please feel free to let us know. Many thanks GiGi still in cast in Virginia :) noel farrell <exploringfamilyorigins@hotmail.com> wrote: From: "noel farrell" <exploringfamilyorigins@hotmail.com> To: snoopy8u@yahoo.com Subject: Killarney Roots Book Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:48:33 +0000 Check out the KILLARNEY ROOTS BOOK available at www.exploringfamilyorigins.com As reviewed in the 'Irish Roots' magazine and the 'Family Tree' magazine The book contains: The complete 1901 census for the town. The complete 1911 census for the town. The 1850 Griffiths Valuation with a corresponding 1850 town map. An entire Electors Register from the 1940's for the town. Old photographs, a brief history of the Limerick Palatines, Townland map, brief histories, commercial directories, pub lists, and mentions other sources of genealogical information concerning the town. you can buy these Irish genealogical books on website above, on E-BAY by typing into 'search', Killarney Roots book, or else by posting a cheque to the address on the website. "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who do nothing about them" Albert Einstein __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi, it looks like you were confused by the address repeated in the parentheses. Try _SStaford@sticc.edu_ (mailto:SStaford@sticc.edu) Ed Callahan ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Message #3 on Tue 9 Oct 2007 - Subject Johanna Kane was from Stafford, Sherry A. _SStaford@sticc.edu_ (mailto:SStaford@sticc.edu) I was very interested as I think there might be a connection with my grandfather James Cornelius O'Kane. I sent an email to _SStaford@sticc.edu_ (mailto:SStaford@sticc.edu) but it was returned. What am I doing wrong? Is there another way of contacting her? Would appreciate someone telling me what to do next. Thank you. Lucile M Kane KML6313@aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Dear James, Wonderful to find another person with the surname Cantillon in their family. Your Julia is too young to have been a sister of my Catherine and her brother Patrick. They were born around the 1830's and Catherine stated their names in 1853. I have heard that Patrick had a son Patrick, so perhaps she is a niece, or even one more generation further on.. Do you have any connection to anyone there you write too, or have extra knowledge of any of your Julia's extended. family? Regards, Wynnette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James J. Bunyan" <jjbunyan@iol.ie> To: <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 285 > My grand mother was Julia Cantillon. She was born in the townland of > Cleandries, which is very near Causeway. > > Her brother was Patrick Cantillon and to my knowledge, she had no sister. > She may be related to your grandmother. > > Julia Cantillon married James Bunyan, a native of Aghamore, Causeway after > he returned home from Australia in 1910. > > He missed Shacleton's expedition to the South Pole from New Zealand. He > witnessed the last public hanging of a woman in Dunedin. My son visited > New > Zealand in 2005 and he discovered that the woman's name was Minnie Deane. > > Sincerely, > > James J. Bunyan. > Email jjbunyan@iol.ie >

Seeking help with the origins and the family of my GGGrandmother, Catherine/Katherine? CANTILLON. Catherine CANTILLON was convicted as CANTULON at Kerry County in 1852 for larceny and transported for seven years as CANTILEN. She arrived on the third last convict boat to Tasmania, Australia, the "Midlothian", on 22 February, 1853. Convicted for stealing "clothes from Connor in Kerry", with a goose and some potatoes taken into consideration. On her convict record, her father was stated as PATRICK, with siblings PATRICK, JOHN, HONORA, BRIDGET, MARY ELLEN and MARGARET. Catherine was born circa 1833 and died in 1906. She had a relatively more comfortable life in Tasmania as the wife of a farmer, than she may have got if she stayed in Ireland. She had nine children and at least 18 grandchildren, with numerous living descendants. Some years ago, a cousin of mine had correspondence with a descendant of BRIDGET, who confirmed the surname was CANTILLON and that Catherine was born in CASTLESHANNON, CAUSEWAY. (I thought these were two distinct towns.) Some photos were kindly sent of the old home and a mausoleum, plus Bridget and another living CANTILLON descendant, but no other details of the family were given. Does anyone know of this family with more details on them? I would be extremely grateful for any information on them. Regards, Wynnette Ford Born in Tasmania, now residing in Queensland, Australia.

My grand mother was Julia Cantillon. She was born in the townland of Cleandries, which is very near Causeway. Her brother was Patrick Cantillon and to my knowledge, she had no sister. She may be related to your grandmother. Julia Cantillon married James Bunyan, a native of Aghamore, Causeway after he returned home from Australia in 1910. He missed Shacleton's expedition to the South Pole from New Zealand. He witnessed the last public hanging of a woman in Dunedin. My son visited New Zealand in 2005 and he discovered that the woman's name was Minnie Deane. Sincerely, James J. Bunyan. Email jjbunyan@iol.ie -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 19 October 2007 08:05 To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 285 Today's Topics: 1. CANTILLON (Graeme Ford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:58:26 +1000 >From: "Graeme Ford" <graycoin@tadaust.org.au> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] CANTILLON To: <IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <004501c811eb$29ecca30$f944fe7c@goffice> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Seeking help with the origins and the family of my GGGrandmother, Catherine/Katherine? CANTILLON. Catherine CANTILLON was convicted as CANTULON at Kerry County in 1852 for larceny and transported for seven years as CANTILEN. She arrived on the third last convict boat to Tasmania, Australia, the "Midlothian", on 22 February, 1853. Convicted for stealing "clothes from Connor in Kerry", with a goose and some potatoes taken into consideration. On her convict record, her father was stated as PATRICK, with siblings PATRICK, JOHN, HONORA, BRIDGET, MARY ELLEN and MARGARET. Catherine was born circa 1833 and died in 1906. She had a relatively more comfortable life in Tasmania as the wife of a farmer, than she may have got if she stayed in Ireland. She had nine children and at least 18 grandchildren, with numerous living descendants. Some years ago, a cousin of mine had correspondence with a descendant of BRIDGET, who confirmed the surname was CANTILLON and that Catherine was born in CASTLESHANNON, CAUSEWAY. (I thought these were two distinct towns.) Some photos were kindly sent of the old home and a mausoleum, plus Bridget and another living CANTILLON descendant, but no other details of the family were given. Does anyone know of this family with more details on them? I would be extremely grateful for any information on them. Regards, Wynnette Ford Born in Tasmania, now residing in Queensland, Australia. ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 285 *****************************************

This post by Riobard O'Dwyer who is the expert on everything that one could possibly want to know about the Beara Peninsula in extreme southeast Kerry (and Cork, too) (and everybody who ever lived there, too) has some interesting information on occupations that people might have pursued if/when they weren't engaged in farming themselves to make a few odd shillings and pence. Ray Marshall -----Original Message----- From: pmlbounce@rootsweb.com [mailto:pmlbounce@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Riobard O'Dwyer Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:10 PM Source: BEARA@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BEARA] Occupations Apart from the copper miners and the seine (mackerel by night) fishermen, you had the stone mason, the carpenter/boat builder/common cart maker/harnessmaker, the blacksmith. The shoemakers were numerous (one left in Beara now). The butter makers and the butter carriers were very important as well. The local people drank plenty buttermilk(drank plenty of it myself from the churn as a young lad, and it didn't do me any harm !!), made fine healthy home-made bread with it, and there was no shortage of home-made butter. In fact two O'Sullivan families from the Eyeries Parish got their Branch-Names from the butter. One were the "Shandons" (the original man used boast that his horse was the only one from home that was able to carry a full load of butter all the steep way up to the top of Shandon Street, Cork City, to the butter market); the others were the "Shamrocks". The drivers of the butter carts from home here used stop for the night about half way to Cork City. One man brought a mixture of grass and shamrock in a bag for his horse, but when the driver got up in the morning to feed his horse for the remainder of the journey, his bag of grass and shamrock was "gone". He went around the place shouting "Who stole my shamrock ?" And he was duly "christened". Also you had people who spent their time going around mowing hay with scythes. There was fierce competition for the honor/honour of champion mower. There was a competition in Gortnabulliga, Eyeries Parish, one time. One of the mowers managed to slip a strong dose of salts into the liquid container of his rival. About half way through the competition, the salts started to take effect, and by the time the "salted" rival had spent the most of an hour running back and forth behind the furze bushes, the mower who had strong faith in the power of "salts" had proven his point. He obviously was a man who used his head as well as his scythe !! ----- Riobard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McAuliffe" <jmcauliffe@parmeko.co.uk> To: <Beara-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: [BEARA] Occupations >I suppose this is a silly question about SW Ireland in the 19th century, >but was there any other industry other than the copper mining at Allihies and > fishing > > I research family history and in England the occupations were numerous. > > With my ancestors from Beara I have always assumed from what I have read > that 90% plus had a hard life trying to get by on farming their small > plots of land, > > with the odd blacksmith, miller etc (agricultural tradesmen). > > Would this be a correct assumption as I have seen very little information > on trades. > > Regards > John

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Hi All, I am packing tonight and leave for my trip tomorrow. I will check in when I get back next week. Wish me luck! Best, Donna- Searching for long lost Sullivan's and Coffey's in Killarney

Hi, you could write to church in Killorglin. Church of Ireland, Iveragh Road, Killorglin should get there. Presume they were married in old protestant church. This was in use up until about 10 years ago but new church was built in 1997. Old church has been converted into a Spanish Tapas bar. http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/index.asp?locID=492&docID=1139 http://www.ireland.anglican.org/archives/pressreleases/prarchive1997/pr9756.html Regards, Fintan ----- Original Message ---- From: "Marjene1460@aol.com" <Marjene1460@aol.com> To: IRL-KERRY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 15 October, 2007 9:09:06 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Sylvester Murphy-Anne Huggard marriage Sylvester Murphy-Anne Huggard married Apr 11, 1850. St Michael's Church, County Kerry, Killorglin. Found in Kilcoman Parish records. Looking for Sylvester's age at time of marriage and name of father. Any other pertinent info such as witnesses. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________________ You're not bound to your email address, it's a snitch to switch. Give Yahoo! Mail a try. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/isp_targeting2.html

Just sent message re above. Forget to say they were Protestant. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Hi, generally I think the leasor and leasee (person/body who owned land and person who was leasing land) were listed. Remember these were land valuation records so their focus wasnt on recording people but land valuations. They are only important as all census records from 1800's were destroyed in civil war. There could also be cases where one family member was leasing land to another family member so both names could show on a record. If u have a Griffiths Valuation record you can trace the 'land' as it went through changes in ownership after person dying, eviction etc . Valuations office in Dublin have 'cancellation books' which contain valuation records after initial Griffiths Valuation records were carried out in 1850s/60s. You can work forwards through cancellation book to see who had land at various stages. Regards, Fintan ----- Original Message ---- From: Lorri <phillylorri@comcast.net> To: KERRY IRELAND <irl-kerry-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 15 October, 2007 4:59:24 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Griffiths val. Would the husband an wife be listed on Griffiths val ? I found a Mary carroll an Patrick Carroll together same town. also where do I go from here if this is my Carrolls? Thanks for any help. Lorri searching- ALLEN-BARNETT-CARROLL-BURNS GEIGER-Veach -GEARIN-KANE-SMITH-MOYLAN DONAHUE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html

Sylvester Murphy-Anne Huggard married Apr 11, 1850. St Michael's Church, County Kerry, Killorglin. Found in Kilcoman Parish records. Looking for Sylvester's age at time of marriage and name of father. Any other pertinent info such as witnesses. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

It is too bad Thursdays are one of my days with my 88 year old father or I would be at that meeting. Would you happen to know where that database is and is it accessible to the public? I have been told that one of my McSheehy family was buried either at Tatnuck or St. John's Cemetery. Monica ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Would the husband an wife be listed on Griffiths val ? I found a Mary carroll an Patrick Carroll together same town. also where do I go from here if this is my Carrolls? Thanks for any help. Lorri searching- ALLEN-BARNETT-CARROLL-BURNS GEIGER-Veach -GEARIN-KANE-SMITH-MOYLAN DONAHUE