Hi Cheryl. Yes, that is a good link but it only discusses how women and m inors can automatically become naturalized without going through the process. I was told by a very nice man at the Nat. Archives in Waltham, Massachusetts that women could apply for their own naturalizations and go through the process themselves but that very few did that. That is why I looked for Hanora McSheehy. Alas, she is not there and I can only assume she did not bother to apply on her own. But here is a link, also from the Archives that goes into further detail. What is most interesting to me in this discussion is how this access to naturalization differed from state to state, and how early some states "emancipated" women. This has all sent me off on a completely different tangent. _www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1998/summer/women-and-naturalization-1 .html_ (http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1998/summer/women-and-naturalization-1.html) Monica ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Patsy You are requesting information on the correct document. The Declaration of Intent is usually the only document that has valuable genealogical information on it. Naturalization is the process by which an alien becomes an American citizen. It is a voluntary act; naturalization is not required. Of the foreign-born persons listed on the 1890 through 1930 censuses, 25 percent had not become naturalized or filed their "first papers." (U.S. Archive information) In the 19th century, the responsibility for processing Intent Applications was in the hands of the various states. Generally they were filed with the local district/state courts. Most often, all they would tell you is the country where they had emigrated (generally it was the country where they had been born). Now and then you might see one with a city on it. Most often the most valuable piece of information is the date and the place they arrived in the U.S. That is useful for then going to the passenger lists for that location. New York City is generally not indexed, so that presents a big problem in itself. There are problems with dates. First of all, if the record is filed a long time after the arrival in the U.S., the filer may not know the actual date. I have one that says another ancestor arrived July 4, 1869. I am exceedingly suspicious of that date, but not the year. (For Patsy: July 4 is our "Independence Day"). Or, in the case of my g-greatgrandfather, John Marszalkiewicz, he very specifically says on his Intent (that he signed with an "X") that he arrived in the United States on July 24, 1872. Wonderful! A relatively short period between the arrival in the U.S. and the Naturalization filing date of November 4, 1872 (a date suspiciously close to Election Day, indicating to me that some political party volunteer accompanied John up to the court to get the Intent filed so John could vote. Except that his brother, Andrew, with whom he traveled from German occupied Poland, arrived on 15 May 1872 and John's name is on the May 15 passenger list. July 24 might be the day he arrived in Duluth, Minnesota. So be careful of dates. Fortunately, in my case, I discovered the May 15 arrival long before I found the July 24th date. http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/oc/usa/naturl.html http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/naturalization/naturalization.html Most court systems have turned over the copies of their naturalization records to a state archive or historical society. You would need to contact some genealogist in the state in which you believe that your relative filed to see where to get access to the naturalization records. Mine were in Michigan (Irish) and Minnesota (Polish). I don't know how much help that information I just provided will be to you in your particular case, Patsy. Your James Faulkner may have stayed in Philadelphia or caught a train west from there to any of a number of places, to include California. But I guess since the coal and steel industries were huge employers of unskilled laborers in Pennsylvania in those days, I'd at least try the Pennsylvania naturalizations as long as you are in the mood. Faulkner is probably not a real common name. If it was Sullivan or Murphy, I'd say to go to another project. Maybe one Jack Sweeney of Palmer, PA, might be able to help you with the question as to how to access the Naturalization papers there. He's the one that sicced me on to this, anyway, so I should pay him back with some work. -----Original Message----- From: Patsy McMillan [mailto:patsym@inet.net.nz] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:55 PM To: raymarsh@mninter.net Cc: IRL-Kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: declarations of intent Hello Ray & listers Reading your message about declarations of Intent. Where does someone search for these and for naturalizations for USA please? 19th century timewise Have James Faulkner leaving Ireland c1875 and going to the US but cant find him. I have no idea where he went in the States and the only one I can find that MIGHT be him I found on Passenger and Immigration Index arriving in Philidelphia in 1875. The census of course only give Ireland as place of birth which isnt any help when you have a number of people with the same name. Appreciate any help from you or the listers thanks cheers from downunder Patsy www.genebug.net

Dear Ray et al, Per your statement: "The issue of citizenship became important when women received the right to vote in national elections by virtue of the 19th Amendment to the Constitution in 1920. They had been able to vote in school elections for 20 or more years in some states by that time and in Wyoming and other states in local and state elections for a lesser number of years. But that didn't require U.S. citizenship, only local residence." In reality, Wyoming gave full sufferage to women in 1869, followed by Utah in 1870. By the time of the 19th Amendment in 1920 only 8 states had absolutely no votes for women and the great majority of the remaining 40 states allowed women to vote in US Presidential elections. Best, John Bierman Dayton, OH

Jack, Here is a link detailing naturalizations. I am always happy to furnish my sources! Scroll down to the section titled "Exceptions to the General Rule" and it explains about woman and children. Cheryl The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/naturalization/naturalization.html Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John L. Sweeney [mailto:sweelab@enter.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:34 PM > To: Ray Marshall > Subject: Fw: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 295 > > > Ray: > > Is this statement correct? Do you know? It doesn't sound right to me. > " If she was born here and married an alien she lost her citizenship." > > Jack > ______________________________________________________ >> Just an interesting note that you may or may not be aware of -- Woman did >> not become citizens on their own until 1922. Prior to that she became a >> citizen automatically when her husband did - 'derivative citizenship'.. >> She also became a citizen automatically when she married a US citizen. > > If she was born here and married an alien she lost her citizenship. > > >> Cheryl > > >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:46:53 EDT >>> From: MonicaBOS@aol.com >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Naturalization Records >>> >>> Clifford, I have the naturalization records of 4 Sheehy brothers who were >>> minors when they came to the US in 1850 - 1852. Their father did not come >>> but their mother did come. They all filed for naturalization at older > ages. >>> Daniel's and Bartholomew's papers are both dated on the same day (1862) >>> and they were witnesses for each other. Daniel was 27 and Bartholomew > was 25. >>> John's papers are dated 1871 and he was 31. William's papers are dated > 1876 and >>> he was 32. I was told at the National Archives that if their father had > come >>> and gotten his naturalization, the sons would have automatically gotten >>> theirs when they were minors. As for their mother, Hanora, I was told > that she could >>> have become a citizen automatically through marriage but she never > remarried >>> and I have no record of her becoming a US citizen. I found all of these >>> records at the National Archives and the people there are very helpful > and will >> give >>> you any help or information that they can. >>> >>> Monica > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to > IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________

Jack, and others: I'm pretty sure that is the case as I recall it. I thought about it for a few minutes when I saw Monica's message. But I think it was pretty accurate. The only distinction I would have made would be that if a woman was born in Ireland and came to the U.S., she would become a citizen when her husband became a citizen and if she got divorced and remarried a non citizen, she would lose her citizenship, just like a nativeborn person would. Since women had virtually no rights under the law in those days, I'm not sure what her status would have been if she didn't remarry after a divorce or the death of her husband. The only thing that a woman would have needed citizenship papers for in those days would be to vote and to run for office. I don't know if it was specifically written that you had to be a man to run for office, but I suppose most laws were written with the masculine nouns. I don't think countries issued visas and passports in those days (only exit permits) so a non-citizen woman probably wouldn't have had any problem returning to Ireland for a visit and coming back to the U.S. I suppose if she happened to be captured by pirates during her voyage, that might have been an issue as to whether or not to mobilize the fleet and send the Marines out after her. The issue of citizenship became important when women received the right to vote in national elections by virtue of the 19th Amendment to the Constitution in 1920. They had been able to vote in school elections for 20 or more years in some states by that time and in Wyoming and other states in local and state elections for a lesser number of years. But that didn't require U.S. citizenship, only local residence. If you look at the "Declarations of Intent" to become a citizen that our ancestors filed upon first arriving in the U.S., you will see that it required that you forswore allegiance to the Queen of England (in our Irish case) and intended to become a U.S. Citizen. But I think it took seven or more years residence to become a citizen and many never bothered. (The political parties were aggressive with the voter registration drives and they made sure all the newcomers (men only) filed that "intent" and then voted. In those days, you didn't have to be a citizen to vote, you only had to have filed that "intent." In looking through old newspapers, regularly there were campaign issues in local elections as to whether or not a candidate really was a citizen. You could vote having signed the intent, but you did have to be a citizen to hold office. In the early days, the political parties even printed the ballots in their own color paper so that their poll watchers could be sure that the newcomers were voting for the correct party. Some are lobbying for that type of a policy today so that immigrants can vote immediately after arriving in the U.S., long before they become citizens. As you might imagine, that is a controversial issue. Ray -----Original Message----- From: John L. Sweeney [mailto:sweelab@enter.net] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:34 PM To: Ray Marshall Subject: Fw: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 295 Ray: Is this statement correct? Do you know? It doesn't sound right to me. " If she was born here and married an alien she lost her citizenship." Jack ______________________________________________________ > Just an interesting note that you may or may not be aware of -- Woman did > not become citizens on their own until 1922. Prior to that she became a > citizen automatically when her husband did - 'derivative citizenship'.. > She also became a citizen automatically when she married a US citizen. If she was born here and married an alien she lost her citizenship. > Cheryl >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:46:53 EDT >> From: MonicaBOS@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Naturalization Records >> >> Clifford, I have the naturalization records of 4 Sheehy brothers who were >> minors when they came to the US in 1850 - 1852. Their father did not come >> but their mother did come. They all filed for naturalization at older ages. >> Daniel's and Bartholomew's papers are both dated on the same day (1862) >> and they were witnesses for each other. Daniel was 27 and Bartholomew was 25. >> John's papers are dated 1871 and he was 31. William's papers are dated 1876 and >> he was 32. I was told at the National Archives that if their father had come >> and gotten his naturalization, the sons would have automatically gotten >> theirs when they were minors. As for their mother, Hanora, I was told that she could >> have become a citizen automatically through marriage but she never remarried >> and I have no record of her becoming a US citizen. I found all of these >> records at the National Archives and the people there are very helpful and will >> give >> you any help or information that they can. >> >> Monica

Bridget Deen, born 10 July 1888 in Castlegregory, Ireland, moved to Australia where she married Thomas Flynn (from Cashel) on 20 November 1928. Bridget's father was John Deen and mother Deborah McCarthy. the 1901 census for County Kerry lists Bridget and 4 siblings (Mary, John, Patrick and Hannah) living with their parents at Fahamore, Castlegregory, Ireland, but in 1911 (census) she was not at home. If anyone has come across any information that might further our search on this family we'd love to hear from you. regards Bernadette Flynn

Bernie Dowling can be reached at castlepres@eircom.net. It will take her a while, but she answers all requests. She workds only part-time for the parish and gets many inquiries. I was fortunate to meet with her last month and found her to be gracious and very helpful.

Hello This is information on our Eugene Dean from Castlegregory and what the Priest said about the Parish record. Dean/Deen same family I am sure. Bell Wood Cemetery Marshan Township, Dakota County, Minnesota: T114N - R17W, section 22 Ann Dean - no dates Ellen M. Dean - no dates Eugene Dean, born in Castle Gregory, County Kerry, Ireland in 1823, died 11 April 1893 Mary Ann Dean 27 July 1858 - 28 January 1889 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Here is the results of a query in Ireland,Castlegregory. Dear Mary Ellen, thank you for your email. Unfortunately, the records in the parish only go back to 1828 therefore we do not have a record of Eugene Dean born 1823/1825. Sorry, I cannot be of assistance to you. Kind regards, Bernie Dowling ( Parish Secretary) The Parish has e-mail and takes awhile to answer. The e-mail I used was years ago so check the Diocese. ---Mary Ellen Gilbert Family History is a Grave Subject ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

>The Genealogy Center in Killarney is not a research facility. It is a place >where you can apply for a birth, death or marriage certificate if you have >all the names and dates. They will take the application and the fee there and >send you the certificate in the mail. They told me they were backed up. It >is a small office on the grounds of the St. Columbanus Home (Nursing home) >and it's located off the N22 at the top of Rock Street in Killarney. I would >try and contact them from here and even apply for the certificates and save >yourself a trip. Hi, I think u may be mixing up 2 different places above. The Killarney Genealogy centre was setup to transcribe parish records in early 90's I think. Not sure if it was ever open to the public and its operations have ceased AFAIK. The birth deaths and marriages office in St. Columbanus Home is kerry office of http://www.gro.ie/ . Anyone who needs a certificate for driving licience passport etc gets it there. Its not setup specifically for genealogy but as they have all state registered births deaths and marriages from 1850's it is a useful place to get info. Fintan ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html

Hi Karen, The Genealogy Center in Killarney is not a research facility. It is a place where you can apply for a birth, death or marriage certificate if you have all the names and dates. They will take the application and the fee there and send you the certificate in the mail. They told me they were backed up. It is a small office on the grounds of the St. Columbanus Home (Nursing home) and it's located off the N22 at the top of Rock Street in Killarney. I would try and contact them from here and even apply for the certificates and save yourself a trip. I went to the Kerry County Library in Tralee in September and found the Catholic church records for Knocknagoshel and Currow, County Kerry which is where my O'Connor ancestors are from. They were freely available to me. If you go to the parish priests you will need a letter of permission from the Bishop of Kerry to view the records and you will have to set up an appointment with the parish priest. I'd get in touch with the Library first and find out if the records you are looking for are available there and if so, go there and view them. The people are very nice and very helpful. However, the library is hard to find but well worth it when you get there. I think their hours are 10:30 -1:00 and 2:00 to 5:00. Tralee Library (Kerry County Library) Moyderwell Tralee, County Kerry (Tel. when in Ireland) - 066-71-21200 Email: _tralee@kerrycolib.ie_ (mailto:tralee@kerrycolib.ie) Hope this helps. Pat McHale ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Whoops, I meant we were using SMI tours through AAA. SMI tours ceased operations, not AAA!!! Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Blyth" <eblyth@telus.net> To: <cdynan@rcn.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DONEGAL] slightly off topic > can't help you but good luck in your search > what fun > if you come across any McKenzie's (William,Daniel, ?)in Donegal or Waters > (Grace, ?) also Donegal > would pay you for any info > Hope you find lots of Info > Elaine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheryl Dynan" <cdynan@rcn.com> > To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <IRL-DONEGAL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:43 PM > Subject: [IRL-DONEGAL] slightly off topic > > >>I know my request is off topic so if anyone has a response feel free to >>email me off list. >> I have been planning a trip to Ireland for next summer with a group of >> 14. My 2 sisters + families, mine, my MIL and my sisters brother and >> sister in law. I had looked into renting a mini coach with a driver and >> was in the process of finalizing our personalized itinerary. I was using >> AAA and was told today that they ceased operations yesterday. Has anyone >> done anything similar? If anyone can point me towards a reliable company >> that might be able to do this please let me know. Due to time constraints >> we were going to spend the bulk of our time in Kerry, Galway and Donegal. >> Thanks, Cheryl >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-DONEGAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

-----Original Message----- From: irishnewsletter@ireland-information.com [mailto:irishnewsletter@ireland-information.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: Ireland Newsletter - October 2007 ================================================= The Information about Ireland Site Newsletter October 2007 The Newsletter for people interested in Ireland Now received by over 50,000 people worldwide http://www.ireland-information.com http://www.irishnation.com Copyright (C) 2007 ================================================= NEW FREE RESOURCES AT THE SITE ============================== FREE KIDS HALLOWEEN PICTURE TO PRINT AND COLOR Get a free picture of Halloween in Ireland to color as well as more great coloring pictures for kids: http://www.ireland-information.com/freegames.htm <a href="http://www.ireland-information.com/freegames.htm"> A-O-L USERS GO HERE</a> NEW COATS OF ARMS ADDED TO THE GALLERY: The following 4 coats of arms images and family history details have been added to the Gallery: N: Nash I: Innes, Ivers R: Reidy ================================================= IRISH HALLOWEEN TRADITIONS ========================== The Celts celebrated Halloween as Samhain, 'All Hallowtide' - the 'Feast of the Dead', when the dead revisited the mortal world. The celebration marked the end of Summer and the start of the Winter months. During the eighth century the Catholic Church designated the first day of November as 'All Saints Day' ('All Hallows') - a day of commemoration for those Saints that did not have a specific day of remembrance. The night before was known as 'All Hallows Eve' which, over time, became known as Halloween. Here are the most notable Irish Halloween Traditions: Colcannon for Dinner: Boiled Potato, Curly Kale (a cabbage) and raw Onions are provided as the traditional Irish Halloween dinner. Clean coins are wrapped in baking paper and placed in the potato for children to find and keep. The Barnbrack Cake: The traditional Halloween cake in Ireland is the barnbrack which is a fruit bread. Each member of the family gets a slice. Great interest is taken in the outcome as there is a piece of rag, a coin and a ring in each cake. If you get the rag then your financial future is doubtful. If you get the coin then you can look forward to a prosperous year. Getting the ring is a sure sign of impending romance or continued happiness. The Ivy Leaf: Each member of the family places a perfect ivy leaf into a cup of water and it is then left undisturbed overnight. If, in the morning, a leaf is still perfect and has not developed any spots then the person who placed the leaf in the cup can be sure of 12 months health until the following Halloween. If not..... The Pumpkin: Carving Pumpkins dates back to the eighteenth century and to an Irish blacksmith named Jack who colluded with the Devil and was denied entry to Heaven. He was condemned to wander the earth but asked the Devil for some light. He was given a burning coal ember which he placed inside a turnip that he had gouged out. Thus, the tradition of Jack O'Lanterns was born - the bearer being the wandering blacksmith - a damned soul. Villagers in Ireland hoped that the lantern in their window would keep the wanderer away. When the Irish emigrated in their m.illions to America there was not a great supply of turnips so pumpkins were used instead. Halloween Costumes: On Halloween night children would dress up in scary costumes and go house to house. 'Help the Halloween Party' and 'Trick or Treat' were the cries to be heard at each door. This tradition of wearing costumes also dates back to Celtic times. On the special night when the living and the dead were at their closest the Celtic Druids would dress up in elaborate costumes to disguise themselves as spirits and devils in case they encountered other devils and spirits during the night. By disguising they hoped that they would be able to avoid being carried away at the end of the night. This explains why witches, goblins and ghosts remain the most popular choices for the costumes. Snap Apple: After the visits to the neighbours the Halloween games begin, the most popular of which is Snap Apple. 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Thanks for the great info...very interesting Larry in warm & sunny 67F Wisconsin

I'm seeking info on my great grandfather, John M (O')Sullivan, who was born in the Tralee area. Here are the details: Born: 6 Jun 1840 in/near Tralee Baptized: in Ardfert parish c. SEP 1840 Known siblings: Ellen and Michael Arrived in Rome, New York: 1863. Married: Sarah Dagen in late 1860s Residence: from abt 1870 on, lived near Blue Earth MN Died: 28 Oct 1907 in Blue Earth, MN, USA (I have requested his death cert) Here's my question: I am travelling to Ireland for a short trip in December. Are there records I can only get access to in Ireland either at the NLI in Dublin or at the Geneaology Centre in Killarney as opposed to writing to the parish priests/local libraries for info? I'm a bit loath to spend the scant daylight hours available for sightseeing in the dead of winter holed up in a library, but might do so if that's the only way to see these records. (Thanks for your patience; I'm new to this.)

Just an interesting note that you may or may not be aware of -- Woman did not become citizens on their own until 1922. Prior to that she became a citizen automatically when her husband did - 'derivative citizenship'.. She also became a citizen automatically when she married a US citizen. If she was born here and married an alien she lost her citizenship. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: <irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:05 AM Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 295 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Naturalization Records (MonicaBOS@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:46:53 EDT > From: MonicaBOS@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Naturalization Records > To: ccpsmith@suddenlink.net, IRL-KERRY-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d6b.113cbc7b.3457a0bd@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > Clifford, I have the naturalization records of 4 Sheehy brothers who were > minors when they came to the US in 1850 - 1852. Their father did not come > but > their mother did come. They all filed for naturalization at older ages. > Daniel's and Bartholomew's papers are both dated on the same day (1862) > and they > were witnesses for each other. Daniel was 27 and Bartholomew was 25. > John's > papers are dated 1871 and he was 31. William's papers are dated 1876 and > he was > 32. I was told at the National Archives that if their father had come and > gotten his naturalization, the sons would have automatically gotten > theirs when > they were minors. As for their mother, Hanora, I was told that she could > have > become a citizen automatically through marriage but she never remarried > and I > have no record of her becoming a US citizen. I found all of these records > at > the National Archives and the people there are very helpful and will give > you any help or information that they can. > > Monica > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to > IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to > IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 295 > ***************************************** >

Clifford, I have the naturalization records of 4 Sheehy brothers who were minors when they came to the US in 1850 - 1852. Their father did not come but their mother did come. They all filed for naturalization at older ages. Daniel's and Bartholomew's papers are both dated on the same day (1862) and they were witnesses for each other. Daniel was 27 and Bartholomew was 25. John's papers are dated 1871 and he was 31. William's papers are dated 1876 and he was 32. I was told at the National Archives that if their father had come and gotten his naturalization, the sons would have automatically gotten theirs when they were minors. As for their mother, Hanora, I was told that she could have become a citizen automatically through marriage but she never remarried and I have no record of her becoming a US citizen. I found all of these records at the National Archives and the people there are very helpful and will give you any help or information that they can. Monica ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Kerry folk, I currently have, borrowed from my library, a copy of "American Clipper Ships 1833-1858 Volume 2". In it I found some interesting information on the ship that my Kerry family probably sailed on. I need to return the book soon but for now if anyone would like me to look up a ship I'd be happy to do so. Please remember that these are American ships only and, since I only have volume 2, can only look up ships whose name begins with M or further on in the alphabet. Let me know if this is of use. --Patrick p.s. My recent to trip to Ireland was moderately successful on the genealogy front and I'll be posting transcripts of the information I've gathered soon in case it is of interest. _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline

Hi everyone, I am looking for this Sullivan family's roots. The information I have listed below is from the 1891 England census from the St. Nicholas, Greenwich, Deptford, London area. I don't know where in Kerry they came from but it is believed that Mary (Simon's wife) may have come from the Dingle area. I realize that it's not much to go on but any little bit would help at this point. If anyone knows about some of the Sullivan's from that area or recognizes the names, please contact me. Suggestions on how to narrow the search are definitely welcome as well. Simon Sullivan 38 Ireland, Kerry (Simon's middle name is James b. abt. 1853) Mary Sullivan 32 Ireland, Kerry (b. abt. 1859) Mary Sullivan 9 Deptford (b. abt. 1881) Margaret Sullivan 8 Deptford (b. abt. 1882) Johanna Sullivan 7 Deptford (b. abt. 1884) Helen Sullivan 5 Deptford (b. abt. 1886) Abby Sullivan 1mo. Deptford (b. abt. 1891) Thank you for you attention. Shannon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1095 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 7:54 PM

Try this email for sstaffird@ix.netcom.com> From: irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 288> To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:05:36 -0600> > > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Johanna Kane (Kml6313@aol.com)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:51:39 EDT> From: Kml6313@aol.com> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Johanna Kane> To: IRL-KERRY-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <be1.21b64521.344d23eb@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > Message #3 on Tue 9 Oct 2007 - Subject Johanna Kane was from Stafford, > Sherry A. > _SStaford@sticc.edu_ (mailto:SStaford@sticc.edu) > > I was very interested as I think there might be a connection with my > grandfather James Cornelius O'Kane.> I sent an email to _SStaford@sticc.edu_ (mailto:SStaford@sticc.edu) but it > was returned. What am I doing wrong? Is there another way of contacting > her? Would appreciate someone telling me what to do next. Thank you. Lucile > M Kane> KML6313@aol.com> > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com> > > ------------------------------> > To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to> IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com.> > To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com.> > __________________________________________________________> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the> email with no additional text.> > > End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 288> ***************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last.  Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033

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