Dearest Jack , Please be assured with regard to the population of that cemetery that none of the original inhabitants has moved.

My husband and I are travelling to Kerry April 18th thru April 27and I wanted to get some advice as to how we should dress for that time of the year. Also has anyone had any experience renting a cell phone for use while traveling in Ireland. Thank you. Jeanne

I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has connections too or can help with locating a marriage for Jane/Jenny McCARTHY and Thomas DUGGAN possibly during the 1830s, and baptisms for a Cornelius and Mary DUGGAN - late 1830s, also any other children of the above mentioned marriage which could have taken place in parishes around the Limerick border. Three children from the family were baptised in Abbeyfeale, Limerick (Daniel, Joanna and Honora) but there seems a strong possibility that Jane and Thomas originated from Kerry and at least two children (Mary and Cornelius) could have been born there. Any help greatly appreciated. -- Anne Picketts, Waipu, Northland, NZ Researching: DUGGAN, McCARTHY and RYAN in Limerick and surrounding Counties; KANE And looking for Sarah Jane WILSON in Sydney - 1833-1846 NZSG: #5331

Anne, I, too, am interested in that area. I have a relative whose obit says she was born in Abbeyfeale, County Kerry. That leads me to believe she was probably born in Kerry near the Limerick border. So I want to look for her baptism in parishes in that area. Would you please let me know if you get any information directly, instead of info that goes to the whole list? Thanks. Genie Flahie Virginia, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Picketts" <GlenGarioch@xtra.co.nz> To: <IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] DUGGAN - McCARTHY >I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has connections too or can help > with locating a marriage for Jane/Jenny McCARTHY and Thomas DUGGAN > possibly during the 1830s, and baptisms for a Cornelius and Mary DUGGAN - > late 1830s, also any other children of the above mentioned marriage which > could > have taken place in parishes around the Limerick border. > Three children from the family were baptised in Abbeyfeale, Limerick > (Daniel, > Joanna and Honora) but there seems a strong possibility that Jane and > Thomas > originated from Kerry and at least two children (Mary and Cornelius) could > have > been born there. > Any help greatly appreciated. > > -- > Anne Picketts, Waipu, Northland, NZ > Researching: DUGGAN, McCARTHY and RYAN in Limerick and surrounding > Counties; > KANE > And looking for Sarah Jane WILSON in Sydney - 1833-1846 > NZSG: #5331 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: > 1/26/2008 3:45 PM > >

Good Afternoon All: I'm curious if there is any population record for the Knockane Cemetery in Kerry, near Knocknagoshel? AND the information is On-Line? Love, Jack Sweeney, still breathing and taking nourishment in Palmer, Pennsylvania.

Hi Barbara, I'm not sure what you mean when you say "new files added" to Kerry. I'm interested in the Dingle Churchyard for the name Day or Daye or Dea. Do you have something about any of those names? Or is there somewhere that I can find out about those names? Thanks in advance, Kerry <<There were new files recently added to Kerry: Under Cemetery ... Ballnahaglish Churchyard & Dingle Churchyard Dunkerron Castle Mural Tablet & Tralee ~ Barbara Eyre>>

Hi everyone! I am the new file manager for Kerry, Kildare, and Kilkenny. I'm so glad to be working on the Ireland Genealogy Archive project! There were new files recently added to Kerry: Under Cemetery ... Ballnahaglish Churchyard & Dingle Churchyard Dunkerron Castle Mural Tablet & Tralee I hope these files are helpful to those researching County Kerry! ~ Barbara Eyre

Hey all I've added a few more spreadsheets to my family page (http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/w/a/l/Neil-A-Walton/), viz: Stack births, Tralee 1864-1877 Stack births, Tralee 1883-1887 Stack deaths, Tralee 1866-1875 Stack deaths, Tralee 1883-1887 These are extracts from the indices held at the GRO in Dublin. If anybody wants copies of these, or the other, spreadsheets email me and I'll send them Cheers Neil -- Murus aeneus virtus - Virtue is a wall of brass http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~waltonfamily/ http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/w/a/l/Neil-A-Walton/

Why not? With Ireland's history of huge emigration to the four corners, no doubt it's right that the country should be sympathetic to people seeking to work to try to better the lives of themselves and their families. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ray Marshall" <raymarsh@mninter.net> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 5:26 PM To: "Kerry List" <IRL-Kerry@rootsweb.com> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] County Ignores 'Killarney House' > > Maybe they could make it into a shelter for Polish and other Eastern > European immigrants! > > > > > "The Kingdom" > http://www.the-kingdom.ie/news/story/?trs=cwgbcwidgb > > Thursday, January 24, 2008 > > Turning their backs on Kerry's priceless gem > By: Mary Murphy > > THE government has been accused of turning its back on the people of > Kerry by neglecting one of the hidden gems of the county's tourism > industry. > > Eight years after the state pledged to provide the finance to give the > historic Killarney House a new lease of life, the once proud building > has been left to rot in the centre of Killarney town. > > The former residence of the McShain family, which was willed to the > people, is now in a deplorable condition and the government has been > accused of gross negligence for allowing the property to slip further > into disrepair. > > Kerry senator, Paul Coghlan, said the building, which has enormous > potential, has been left to crumble and it has been neglected to such an > extent that the structure is now "seriously weakened." > > Demanding immediate action, Senator Coghlan said it is now 11 years > since the state took possession of Killarney House and the longer work > on its restoration and refurbishment is postponed, the more the costs > increase. > > In August 2000 the then minister for justice, John O'Donoghue, > officiated at a photocall at Killarney House and pledged that once the > necessary safety measures had been completed and planning permission > obtained, the landmark building would be fully re-opened as an > information centre for Killarney National Park. > > The plan was for the landmark building - once the home of Lord Kenmare - > to double up as an exhibition centre dealing exclusively with local > history and it would also serve as a research centre and library for the > benefit of those with an interest in local history. > > But, eight years on, the government and the National Parks and Wildlife > Service, have failed to deliver on the promise made to the people of > Kerry. > > Senator Coghlan has slated the government for wasting time and missing a > valuable opportunity to add significantly to Killarney's tourism and > cultural product. > > "Killarney House is situated in the town centre and it is a very > prominent feature. It has enormous potential for the town and the region > and it would be a useful cultural tourism asset in the south west," he > said. > > The Killarney-based senator said he fails to understand why work has > been deferred on the project year after year and he urged those > responsible to make a full and frank statement on the matter. > > "The government has been guilty of gross negligence in allowing the > property to slip further into disrepair," Senator Coghlan remarked. > > "Earlier estimates put the cost of the repair work at ¤5 million and it > is now likely to be much higher. I cannot understand why restoration > work has not got underway as the longer the house is left to rot the > more expensive it will be to restore it," he added. > > Early last year the Department of the Environment revealed that > estimates indicated that infrastructure work on the house would cost up > to ¤5 million but the government has failed to commit itself to this > work and the project is still awaiting capital funding. > > "It was particularly disturbing to hear that Killarney House was not > considered for any funding from the ¤137 million awarded to Fáilte > Ireland under the National Development Plan to stimulate development of > tourism projects," Senator Coghlan maintained. > > "This is in spite of the fact that a comprehensive proposal was put > forward by Killarney Chamber of Commerce and Tourism which had the > approval of the Killarney National Park Liaison Committee," he added. > > "When the house was given to the state it was clearly envisaged that it > would be restored as a visitor and information centre," Senator Coghlan > insisted. > > "If the Department of the Environment is not prepared to advance matters > it should immediately consult with the local authorities in Kerry and > other interests to explore the possibility of setting up a > public-private part-nership to redevelop the house," he added. > > According to Senator Coghlan, possible uses for the house could include > a significant arts venue for Killarney or an audio-visual facility for > the national park. It would also easily facilitate large-scale civic and > other town receptions. > > The Fine Gael senator has vowed to continue piling pressure on the > Environment Minister, John Gormley, to take action on Killarney House to > ensure it is properly restored and open to the public, in some guise, as > soon as possible. > > The expansive gardens surrounding the house and the spectacular Cherry > Drive walkway which leads to Knockeeer have been opened to the public > since the summer of 2000 but the doors to the house itself remain firmly > bolted. > > Eight years ago Minister O'Donoghue divulged that a liaison committee > would be formed to plan the future of Killarney House and that body > would represent the interests of the local community who had an interest > in the future of such an important facility. > > The solid wood doors of Killarney House, he vowed, would swing open to > the public as an integral part of Killarney National Park and that would > occur, the minister indicated, as soon as safety works were completed > and permission for change of use was obtained. > > Mr O'Donoghue further indicated that the valuable and feature artwork > and furniture of Killarney House, which had been secured from the > McShain family, would be conserved and placed on display in reception > rooms in the building when it was opened to the public. > > Eight years on the contents remain in cold storage along with plans to > restore Killarney House to all of its former glory. > > As far back as three years ago concern was expressed at a meeting of > Killarney Town Council that Killarney House was being seriously > neglected by the state. > > "We're leaving it fall derelict. No attempt is being made to deliver on > what they promised at the very start," said Cllr Donal Grady. > > "We were told it was going to be the jewel in the crown but at the way > it is going at the moment, they will have to get a JCB and knock it," he > added. > > Cllr Grady said Killarney Town Council was determined to keep the issue > at the top of its agenda and he criticised government politicians for > breaking promises on Killarney House. > > "What they promised some years ago has totally fallen. They have totally > forgotten about what they promised to do," he said. > > Killarney House is set on five acres of prime land in the centre of > Killarney town. It commands spectacular views of Lough Leane and the > surrounding mountains and the property is adorned by magnificent and > mature beech, lime, chestnut and walnut trees. > > Killarney House was initially the outhouses of an 18th century classical > French style chateau and in years gone by the gardens were ten times > their current size, extending to the right and left. > > The lawns are extremely popular with locals during the summer months but > they remain one of Killarney's hidden gems as the magic of Killarney > House is seldom referred to in the mainstream tourist brochures. > > There have been suggestions that Killarney House would make an ideal > civic headquarters for Killarney, incorporating a town hall, a library > of local history and an information centre while the sprawling and > carefully crafted lawns would provide the perfect venue for open air > civic receptions, when weather permitted. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 1/25/2008 12:09:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, raymarsh@mninter.net writes: This is a link to a new web site for Kilcummin parish. Some on the list might want to check it out. I have family from Kilcummin and some years ago purchased the book advertised on their website, "Kilcummin Glimpses of the Past". It has the heads of households for 1901 census, Griffiths and Tithe Applotments, if anyone has an ancestor from the parish and needs a look up. The book is wonderful and I would recommend it. In a personal side note, it included a picture of my great aunt outside the Coolick School in 1924 and an article about the Kilcummin Cemetery given by my long lost cousin Jerry Lyne. **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Maybe they could make it into a shelter for Polish and other Eastern European immigrants! "The Kingdom" http://www.the-kingdom.ie/news/story/?trs=cwgbcwidgb Thursday, January 24, 2008 Turning their backs on Kerry’s priceless gem By: Mary Murphy THE government has been accused of turning its back on the people of Kerry by neglecting one of the hidden gems of the county’s tourism industry. Eight years after the state pledged to provide the finance to give the historic Killarney House a new lease of life, the once proud building has been left to rot in the centre of Killarney town. The former residence of the McShain family, which was willed to the people, is now in a deplorable condition and the government has been accused of gross negligence for allowing the property to slip further into disrepair. Kerry senator, Paul Coghlan, said the building, which has enormous potential, has been left to crumble and it has been neglected to such an extent that the structure is now “seriously weakened.” Demanding immediate action, Senator Coghlan said it is now 11 years since the state took possession of Killarney House and the longer work on its restoration and refurbishment is postponed, the more the costs increase. In August 2000 the then minister for justice, John O’Donoghue, officiated at a photocall at Killarney House and pledged that once the necessary safety measures had been completed and planning permission obtained, the landmark building would be fully re-opened as an information centre for Killarney National Park. The plan was for the landmark building - once the home of Lord Kenmare - to double up as an exhibition centre dealing exclusively with local history and it would also serve as a research centre and library for the benefit of those with an interest in local history. But, eight years on, the government and the National Parks and Wildlife Service, have failed to deliver on the promise made to the people of Kerry. Senator Coghlan has slated the government for wasting time and missing a valuable opportunity to add significantly to Killarney’s tourism and cultural product. “Killarney House is situated in the town centre and it is a very prominent feature. It has enormous potential for the town and the region and it would be a useful cultural tourism asset in the south west,” he said. The Killarney-based senator said he fails to understand why work has been deferred on the project year after year and he urged those responsible to make a full and frank statement on the matter. “The government has been guilty of gross negligence in allowing the property to slip further into disrepair,” Senator Coghlan remarked. “Earlier estimates put the cost of the repair work at ¤5 million and it is now likely to be much higher. I cannot understand why restoration work has not got underway as the longer the house is left to rot the more expensive it will be to restore it,” he added. Early last year the Department of the Environment revealed that estimates indicated that infrastructure work on the house would cost up to ¤5 million but the government has failed to commit itself to this work and the project is still awaiting capital funding. “It was particularly disturbing to hear that Killarney House was not considered for any funding from the ¤137 million awarded to Fáilte Ireland under the National Development Plan to stimulate development of tourism projects,” Senator Coghlan maintained. “This is in spite of the fact that a comprehensive proposal was put forward by Killarney Chamber of Commerce and Tourism which had the approval of the Killarney National Park Liaison Committee,” he added. “When the house was given to the state it was clearly envisaged that it would be restored as a visitor and information centre,” Senator Coghlan insisted. “If the Department of the Environment is not prepared to advance matters it should immediately consult with the local authorities in Kerry and other interests to explore the possibility of setting up a public-private part-nership to redevelop the house,” he added. According to Senator Coghlan, possible uses for the house could include a significant arts venue for Killarney or an audio-visual facility for the national park. It would also easily facilitate large-scale civic and other town receptions. The Fine Gael senator has vowed to continue piling pressure on the Environment Minister, John Gormley, to take action on Killarney House to ensure it is properly restored and open to the public, in some guise, as soon as possible. The expansive gardens surrounding the house and the spectacular Cherry Drive walkway which leads to Knockeeer have been opened to the public since the summer of 2000 but the doors to the house itself remain firmly bolted. Eight years ago Minister O’Donoghue divulged that a liaison committee would be formed to plan the future of Killarney House and that body would represent the interests of the local community who had an interest in the future of such an important facility. The solid wood doors of Killarney House, he vowed, would swing open to the public as an integral part of Killarney National Park and that would occur, the minister indicated, as soon as safety works were completed and permission for change of use was obtained. Mr O’Donoghue further indicated that the valuable and feature artwork and furniture of Killarney House, which had been secured from the McShain family, would be conserved and placed on display in reception rooms in the building when it was opened to the public. Eight years on the contents remain in cold storage along with plans to restore Killarney House to all of its former glory. As far back as three years ago concern was expressed at a meeting of Killarney Town Council that Killarney House was being seriously neglected by the state. “We’re leaving it fall derelict. No attempt is being made to deliver on what they promised at the very start,” said Cllr Donal Grady. “We were told it was going to be the jewel in the crown but at the way it is going at the moment, they will have to get a JCB and knock it,” he added. Cllr Grady said Killarney Town Council was determined to keep the issue at the top of its agenda and he criticised government politicians for breaking promises on Killarney House. “What they promised some years ago has totally fallen. They have totally forgotten about what they promised to do,” he said. Killarney House is set on five acres of prime land in the centre of Killarney town. It commands spectacular views of Lough Leane and the surrounding mountains and the property is adorned by magnificent and mature beech, lime, chestnut and walnut trees. Killarney House was initially the outhouses of an 18th century classical French style chateau and in years gone by the gardens were ten times their current size, extending to the right and left. The lawns are extremely popular with locals during the summer months but they remain one of Killarney’s hidden gems as the magic of Killarney House is seldom referred to in the mainstream tourist brochures. There have been suggestions that Killarney House would make an ideal civic headquarters for Killarney, incorporating a town hall, a library of local history and an information centre while the sprawling and carefully crafted lawns would provide the perfect venue for open air civic receptions, when weather permitted.

Wouldn't it be nice if all the Kerry parishes had one of these! This is a link to a new web site for Kilcummin parish. Some on the list might want to check it out. http://www.kilcumminparish.com/home.htm I would imagine that this is the Kilcummin RC parish. The old Civil Parishes that we depend o so much because of Griffiths, aren't used any more. The Diocese of Kerry home page has a map that shows the location of Kilcummin RC parish: Killarney on the south, Rathmore on the east, Killeentierna and Castleisland on the north and Firies on the west. http://www.dioceseofkerry.ie/ Kilcummin Civil Parish was much larger and to the east of today's RC parish. It is north of Killarney and bracketed by the three part Aghadoe civil parish in purple on this map: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/civparlist.html

Bob Ahern and list, Are you aware of the great irish genealogy source, known as Dennis Ahearn, who researchs the old irish newspapers constantly? Also if I amnot mistaken, draft registration copies of are available from the NARA or the army of the federal gov. Michael DANAHY http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/d/a/n/Michael-C-Danahy/index.html RESEARCHING IN MA (Hopkinton), IRE, ENG ALDRICH http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~aldrichnaa/ (one m SMITH, earlier ones m CASAVANT, COMEE, http://www.familyorigins.com/users/e/v/a/Jeanne-C-Evans LOVELL, PRAY, PRENTICE, RAWSON, SEALD, THAYER); http://members.xoom.com/jaldrich/Lines/Michael.htm Aldrich Family biographies, go to http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssociation/AldrichBios or go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aldrich/ CASAVANT (who m MORAN); CURRAN (who m DANAHY) DANAHY (b. in Hopkinton and who m LENAN, siblings m. TOLAN, JOHNSON, O'CONNOR) LENAN (who m O"BRIEN); SMITH (who m CASEY); PRENTICE (who m ALDRICH) http://www.prenticenet.com/roots/prentice/robert/#R4 RAWSON (one m ALLEN, later one TORREY) http://www.rawsonfamilyassoc.org/ THAYER (Thomas m WHEELER, son Ferdinando m HAYWARD); http://members.aol.com/Sadie476/Thayer.html

  Requesting assistance locating any information on Maternal great Grandmother Mary Ann Manning and her family, from area over looking Lakes of Killarney.  Her parents were Michael Manning and Catherine (Jane) Prindiville. Her brother was Cornelius Manning. Her cousin was Maurice Andrew Prindiville, believed to be from Fossa, Kerry                                                                                        Maternal Ancestors / Relatives COLLONAN / MANNING Irish spelling – Callonen, Cullinane, etc.     My Great Grand Parents were:   William J. Collonan (b @ 1842  in Clonmel, (Old Irish Town; St Mary’s Parish) County Tipperary and d 11/20/1894 San Francisco, CA) and Mary Ann Manning (b 1842 County Kerry “… we could see the Lakes of Kilarney from our home” … d 1912 San Francisco, CA). They were married in St. Mary’s Church, San Francisco, CA in 1874.   The 1870 US Census, ED 53: file 2 of 22, Microfilm # M593-84, for San Francisco, CA, lists the occupation of Mary Manning as: “keeping house”. The 1880 US Census, District 184, in San Francisco, CA, lists the occupation of William J. Collonan, as “saloon keeper”. They reportedly lived on Minna Street in San Francisco about this time.   Mary Ann Manning had a brother, Cornelius Manning, S.J. (b 11/6/1834 County Kerry d 1911 Los Gatos, CA) who entered the Jesuit Noviate in Santa Clara, CA, on 8/17/1863 and pronounced his final vows on 8/17/1875 becoming a Jesuit Brother, in Los Gatos, CA Brother Manning listed the names of his parents, in the Jesuit Register, at the time he was accepted into the Noviate, as: Michael and Catherine Manning. He was baptized in the local parish and his father was a farmer. The information from the Jesuit Register was translated from the original Latin entry. He had obtained citizenship in San Francisco in 1860. The 1867 Great Register of San Francisco, CA, listed him as a 34 year old laborer, living at Mason and Vallejo Streets and gave his Naturalization date as, 7/30/1866, in San Francisco. The 1910 US census showed him to be residing at the Sacred Heart Noviate, Redwood Township, Santa Clara County. His occupation was listed a “tailor” and it has been confirmed that he made the cassocks for the Seminarians. Records from the Jesuit Noviate indicated he assisted a cousin by the name of Maurice Andrew Prindiville, who worked as a stone mason in San Francisco before moving to San Jose, CA, (mother’s maiden name).   At the time of the death of Mary Ann manning Collonan, her son, Michael Collonan, listed her parents as: Michael Manning and Jane Prindiville, both born in Ireland. On her death certificate it was also indicated that she had resided in California for 44 years and for 34 years at 61 Valley St., the family home. Doing the math, Mary Ann manning was probably in San Francisco about 1868, at age 26, six full years before she married William J. Collonan.   Their children included:   Michael William Collonan (b 7/15/1875 d 1/23/1958) William Joseph Collonan (b 5/30/1877 d 6/2/1949) Alice Collonan (b 1880 d 6/8/1948) Cornelius Francis Collonan (b 7/51884 d 1/13/1941) Julia Estelle Collonan (b 8/2/1882 d 9/28/1961) John Collonan (b 1886 d 1917)   My Grandmother was Alice Collonan and she married my Grandfather, George Washington Kyte in 1906.   Their only child was my Mother, Estelle Marie Kyte (b 1906 d 1980) who married my Father, Andrew Patrick Ahern (b 1911 d 1988) in San Francisco in the year 1937.   Thank you, Robert Patrick Ahern           ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

TUE 1/22/08 I am presently conducting a search for my Paternal Grandfather, Patrick Brown Ahern and his brother, Andrew B. Ahern. The Kerry Registration Office, St. Columbanus house, Killarney, was only able to give me names of John Ahern and Mary Burns, as possible parents. For reasons given below and other information obtained to date, I believe that information is incorrect. The following was mailed back in December, to Parish Priests near Listowel and best summarizes my search. No responses from PP's to date.     Parish Priest St. Brigid’s Church Daugh, Listowel County Kerry, Ireland   Dear Father:   In July and August, 2007, my wife and I vacationed in Ireland, for the very first time. We looked for records in Listowel relating to my Grandfather, Patrick Brown Ahern, but were unsuccessful. Prior to arriving my knowledge about my Grandfather was as follows:             Patrick Brown Ahern, born about 1881, Listowel, Kerry, Ireland, immigrated to the USA about 1901;   Another brother, Andrew B. Ahern, born about 1886, Listowel, Kerry, Ireland, immigrated to the USA about 1904;   A third brother, name unknown, remained in Listowel, to tend the family farm near “Knocknaglaugh”. That brother purportedly had a son who in turn had five children. Two of those children were Esther Ahern (who married Conner last name unknown and may have moved to England) and Mary Ahern Stark (a nurse).   We were looking for “Knocknaglaugh” but nobody knew where it was located. We met a lady, near Moyvane who translated it to mean “Hill of the Ducks”. Later we would learn a more correct translation was “Hill of the Rocks”.   I purchased a book in Moyvane, “Logainmneacha”, Place names of North Kerry including Tralee and Ballymacelligot, by Dan Keane, also of Moyvane.  We had to continue on out trip and were not able to closely examine the contents of the book until arriving home.   The book, on page 43, under the heading LYREACROMPANE, lists “Knocknaglough” (which has a one letter difference in the spelling we had). In the book it is translated as “The hill of the stones”. With this new information I went back on the computer after returning home and refined the search for my Grandfather and his brother, Andrew.   My latest computer search has revealed, in part, the following two possibilities for the parents of my Grandfather:   Husband: John Ahern, b @ 1854, Lyreacrompane, Daugh, Listowel, Kerry, Ireland, married 11 FEB 1873, Lyreacrompane, Daugh, Listowel, Kerry   Wife: Mary Burns, b @ 1854, Lyreacrompane, Daugh, Listowel, Kerry, Ireland, married 11 FEB 1873, Lyreacrompane, Daugh, Listowel, Kerry   OR   Husband: Patrick Ahern   Wife: Johanna Brown     Ironically, each set of parents shown above had sons WITH THE SAME FIRST NAMES, born about the time (depending of which parents) of my Grandfather and his brother, as follows: PATRICK (BROWN) AHERN, born (@ 1881) Lyreacrompane, Daugh, Listowel, Kerry, Ireland, and   ANDREW B. AHERN, born (27 June 1886) (approximately 6 years after my Grandfather), Lyreacrompane, Daugh, Listowel, Kerry, Ireland   This conforms to dates of birth and geographical data already in my possession. It is simply more refined. With this new information, garnered from my conversations, and research, I now believe records may be found at either of the following Churches:               St. Brigid’s Church             Daugh, County Kerry, or               Church of the Sacred Heart             Lyreacrompane, County Kerry   Because of the common middle name of Brown, my suspicion is that the parents were Patrick Ahern and Johanna Brown. Accordingly, I am writing to the Parish Priest, at each Church, to ask for your assistance. From records in your possession, can you verify the birth and Baptism of Patrick Brown Ahern and Andrew B. Ahern? I would also be very interested as to whether you can provide any date for marriage, birth or death of the parents Patrick Ahern and Johanna Brown.   My wife and I plan on returning to Ireland in September, 2008. Our plans include several days in the Listowel area. Depending on the information you might provide now, our ancestry search, in the Listowel area, would be greatly enhanced.   Thank you for your consideration and cooperation. Your patience and courtesy is greatly appreciated. Sincerely, /s/ Bob Ahern ADDITIONALLY, I have been able to determine ther following, from various Internet searches: My GRANDFATHER, Patrick Brown Ahern (b JAN 1, 1881, as listed on his WWI Registration) and d May 3, 1928 in San Francisco, CA) departed from Queenstown, Ireland, and arrived in the USA about 1901;   A younger brother, always affectionately known as “Uncle Andrew”, my GREAT UNCLE, Andrew Bartelman Ahern (as listed on his WWI Draft Registration), (b DEC 18, 1886  in  Lyreacrompane, Daugh, Listowel, County Kerry, Ireland also immigrated to San Francisco, about 1906 and d 1980, in San Mateo County, CA). Andrew married Della Ahern (b 1893 d @ 1954 who was not related) a nurse and had immigrated to the US about the same period of time.   On the death certificate of Patrick Brown Ahern, “Uncle Andrew” attested to the information provided and gave the names of Patrick Ahern’s parents as follows: Father-Patrick Ahern and Mother-Johanna Ahern What I am hoping is that you might be able to provide me some assistance in deteming the "true names" of the parents of Patrick and Andrew Ahern. And, also the correct townland and parish, so that I may obtain baptismal records for them as well as their parents. Thank you. Sincerely, Bob Ahern   My GRANDFATHER, Patrick Brown Ahern (b JAN 1, 1881, as listed on his WWI Registration) and d May 3, 1928 in San Francisco, CA) departed from Queenstown, Ireland, and arrived in the USA about 1901;   A younger brother, always affectionately known as “Uncle Andrew”, my GREAT UNCLE, Andrew Bartelman Ahern (as listed on his WWI Draft Registration), (b DEC 18, 1886  in  Lyreacrompane, Daugh, Listowel, County Kerry, Ireland also immigrated to San Francisco, about 1906 and d 1980, in San Mateo County, CA). Andrew married Della Ahern (b 1893 d @ 1954 who was not related) a nurse and had immigrated to the US about the same period of time.   On the death certificate of Patrick Brown Ahern, “Uncle Andrew” attested to the information provided and gave the names of Patrick Ahern’s parents as follows: Father-Patrick Ahern and Mother-Johanna Ahern What I am hoping is that you might be able to provide me some assistance in deteming the "true names" of the parents of Patrick and Andrew Ahern. And, also the correct townland and parish, so that I may obtain baptismal records for them as well as their parents. Thank you. Sincerely, Bob Ahern                 ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Thank you for the suggestion, Sean. I will try checking the baptismal records there. Margaret Mary may have been born in the parish of Brosna ,in Kerry.My ggrandmother was a Sheehan and she came from there.Check the Brosna parish records. Good luck, Sean

I have been following the discussion by Margaret and others regarding Sheehan family with some interest. My great grandmother was a MARGARET SHEEHAN who married Daniel Spillane from Glen Flesk sometime before 1860, as she came to London and appears in the 1861 census aged 20, with Daniel and baby son Thomas, aged 1. I do not know where she was from, but supposing that she lived not too far away from where Daniel was from in Lough Guitane ( Dromdiralough ), it would be most likely from the parishes of Killarney, Aghadoe, or Kilcummin. I have looked on IGI ( with a bit of scepticism ) and only found two possibilities; One in Killarney to a William S. and Margaret Sullivan, one in Currow to Patrick S. and Mary Connor. There was another Margaret listed but she was born in 1845 - too late to be our Margaret. I cannot believe that there were not rafts more Margaret Sheehans born around 1840/1841, it's such a common name, but where to look??? Also, it's rather difficult using the names of her children as a guide to her parent's names as unfortunately most of them died as infants, and I suspect that the gaps when there were no children, she may have had miscarriages ( I have checked the deaths in the registers ) There were - Thomas 1859/60, Daniel, Mary Anne ( both died ), Patrick 1871, Michael 1873, Denis, Maurice, John, all died, and Stephen 1882. There may also have been children born after Thomas who also died - Catherine, John, Honora, Ellen. So it is all a bit tricky....... Thomas was the name not of Daniel's father, who was Edmund, but his grandfather. Anybody have any bright ideas? Mary

Hi I have recently discovered a new branch of my Slatteries when I found some obituaries in the Tralee Library. So just in case there are connections out there. Patrick SLATTERY (about 1835 - after 1911) m Margaret Sullivan (about 1838 - 1905) Patrick was a cattle dealer and pig buyer in Tralee according to the 1901 and 1911 census Children Eugene (b1865) m Kathleen in 1906 Ellen (b1866) m Michael SCANNELL in 1888 Edmond (b1871) Elizabeth (b1875) m Patrick POWER Cornelius (b1879) Maurice Patrick had 2 brothers Maurice of Kilflyn (my g grandfather) and Michael of Abbeydorney and 2 sisters Mary and Sister Angela (a nun). I do not know Sr Angela's Christian name or what order she was in. Their father was Edmond Slattery of Sackville Ardfert Margaret Sullivan had brothers Michael and Maurice and sisters Urseline and Katty (this from her obituary) By the way, I found this information in the Tralee Library by looking up the index cards that index the old newspapers on film so if you go there it is worthwhile looking at the index cards. Thanks Anne Searching for SLATTERY in Abbeydorney, Ardfert, Kilflyn and Tralee, O'DONNELL in Slieve and Glanmore, O'CONNELL in Deerpark Lixnaw and GAUGHAN, LOFTUS, REILLY, NOONE in Gladree Mayo

Hi Marge I know we have compared Sullivans before - it just seems a coincidence that I have a Eugene Sullivan that lived in Bridgeport also. But my Eugene's father was Michael Sullivan. He was born around 1861 and was married to a Ann Moran. Mine lived in Colchester and later moved to Bridgeport where his son - also named Eugene was born. He ran a grocery store. Must be related somewhere - same names. Liz in stormy Florida **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Hello Looking for any links to Mary MURPHY, born 1867 in Coolnaleen, Listowel, Co Kerry. In c1888 Mary married Michael Daly in Coolnaleen. Thanks, Mark