Hello Marge, and all, When I read this message, I was immediately touched by 2 words - Multiple Sclerosis. I am going on 49 years old, and I have lived with MS for the past 19 years. At the 'young' age of 30 years old, with a whole world before me, I learned of this diagnosis, "my diagnosis" of those frightening words. I have long believed, and have deepened this belief, over the course of the past 19 years, that God above does indeed 'carry' His children, through all their tribulations, their fears, their worries, and all that troubles us. I have come to believe this 'fact' through so many different chapters of my life, that in fact had nothing to do with MS. The long and short of it is .. because of His infinite power, wisdom, and might, all things are possible. We have only to belief, to ask, and to leave the results to faith and gratitude for all we are and have. Multiple Sclerosis, from my own experience, is in fact not the terrible thing I feared it would be. I know there are some who are a lot worse off than me with MS, and with other health issues in life (physical, emotional, spiritual, and so on....). But, because we take care of our brothers and sisters, our Father takes care of us. Your co-worker, and you, are in my special prayers, Marge. Have faith, have willingness to believe, be there as the caring person that you seem to be, and leave the rest to the Father. I, too, knew a living saint in my life. She was my paternal grandmother, a strong, loving woman of County Cork stock!! It can be such a comfort, sometimes, to silently have a chat with those 'living saints' of our lives, who may no longer be with us, of this world, but who still continue to be so special to us. Have a few words with that priest from Tralee - it can bring some ease and comfort. God Bless, Brian Dore Franklin, Indiana (searching Dore from Kerry - possibly from Duagh, circa 1860-70) KerryKuzzin@cs.com wrote: Hi Friends (on my lists), I have a very important favor to ask. I am asking for your prayers for a girl that I work with who was just given a diagnosis of Multiple Sclerosis. She has had a very great deal of misfortune lately and this may be the straw that breaks the camels back, so to speak. I know that God does not give us more than we can handle, but this is just so much for her to have to bear that I must at least ask God to reconsider this load. AND I am not just asking for prayers BUT for a MIRACLE - AND not just any old miracle but a SPECIAL ONE (I know they are all special). I had a very dear friend who passed away nine years ago this month and I believe that he was/is a saint. He is my favorite priest of all time and he was from Tralee. He built my home parish here in the states from the ground up. I would like to use this occasion to start him on the road to sainthood. If you are willing to pray for this girl, email me privately and I will give you the details. Thank you to all who even took the time to read this, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garvey/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan in Kildare ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

Hi Friends (on my lists), I have a very important favor to ask. I am asking for your prayers for a girl that I work with who was just given a diagnosis of Multiple Sclerosis. She has had a very great deal of misfortune lately and this may be the straw that breaks the camels back, so to speak. I know that God does not give us more than we can handle, but this is just so much for her to have to bear that I must at least ask God to reconsider this load. AND I am not just asking for prayers BUT for a MIRACLE - AND not just any old miracle but a SPECIAL ONE (I know they are all special). I had a very dear friend who passed away nine years ago this month and I believe that he was/is a saint. He is my favorite priest of all time and he was from Tralee. He built my home parish here in the states from the ground up. I would like to use this occasion to start him on the road to sainthood. If you are willing to pray for this girl, email me privately and I will give you the details. Thank you to all who even took the time to read this, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garvey/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan in Kildare </HTML>

A likely location is ...THE IRISH LAND COMMISSION. This body has technically been abolished by statute. The Department of Agriculture and Food now holds all of its vast records. The Land Commission was the Government body which purchased the Ventry ( and other landlords' estates ) for ultimate distribution and sale to the existing estate tenants ( my family,and hundreds more ). It would have required the estate records for the necessary investigative legal research and 'paperwork' generally....DEC

An Irishman moves into a tiny village in Kerry, near Knocknagoshel, walks into the pub and promptly orders three beers. The bartender raises his eyebrows, but serves the man three beers, which he drinks quietly at a table, alone. An hour later, the man has finished the three beers and orders three more. This happens yet again. The next evening the man again orders and drinks three beers at a time, several times. Soon the entire town is whispering about the "Man Who Orders Three Beers." Finally, a week later, the bartender broaches the subject on behalf of the town. "I don't mean to pry, but folks around here are wondering why you always order three beers?" "Tis odd, isn't it?" the man replies, "You see, I have two brothers, and one went to America, and the other to Australia. We promised each other that we would always order an extra two beers whenever we drank as a way of keeping up the family bond." The bartender and the whole town were pleased with this answer, and soon the "Man Who Orders Three Beers" became a local celebrity and source of pride to the village, even to the extent that out-of-towners would come to watch him drink. Then, one day, the man comes in and orders only two beers. The bartender pours them with a heavy heart. This continues for the rest of the evening: he orders only two beers. The word flies around town. Prayers are offered for the soul of one of the brothers. The next day, the bartender says to the man, "Folks around here, me first of all, want to offer condolences to you for the death of your brother. You know-the two beers and all...." The man ponders this for a moment, then replies, "You'll be happy to hear that my two brothers are alive and well. It's just that I, myself, have decided to give up drinking for Lent.

Google tells us that the IGSI has an excellent paper written by Kyle Betit, an extremely knowledgeable research genealogist, on the Irish Estate Papers here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/igsi_published/cens-sub/betit.htm You might contact the IGSI also and inquire about the status of their Estate Paper indexing project that ten years ago began to finance work being by Trinity College or someone with access to index those Estate Papers whose locations were known. I don't see any reference to it on the IGSI home page (which is finally joining the Internet). -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Declan O'Connor Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:39 PM To: IRL-KERRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Lord Ventry's estate papers A likely location is ...THE IRISH LAND COMMISSION. This body has technically been abolished by statute. The Department of Agriculture and Food now holds all of its vast records. The Land Commission was the Government body which purchased the Ventry ( and other landlords' estates ) for ultimate distribution and sale to the existing estate tenants ( my family,and hundreds more ). It would have required the estate records for the necessary investigative legal research and 'paperwork' generally....DEC ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1272 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 5:28 PM

Would anybody on the list have information about any families with the names; SHEEHAN LAWLOR ( or variants ), and perhaps SPILLANE living in and around the parish of Aghadoe, next to Killarney? Mary

Kathleen, I will surf for you. Is Kilcoleman KERRY or Limerick? Ellen was b ~ 1851-58. Looking at the 1910 census in Chicago, there looks to be only ONE? possibility. The other 2 candidates in 1910 are too young? Nellie Butler, b 1886, Bridget b. 1875 -- both in IRE. Chicago Ward 5, Cook Co, IL William Butler, 44, IRE Mary, 44 (1866), IRE, arrived 1887 Jennie 23, IL (all kids IL) Mae, 18 Wm 16 Cassie 15 Pierce 12 Helen 8 Joe 6 Margery 11 mos.

For those who are looking for info. about Lord Ventry, or other Irish subjects, I hope the following information is helpful. (However,before we get into that, there is something that I must tell you right up front. Please DO NOT write to me if it doesn't work for you. I can not handle the email) The Google book site has over 600 references to Lord Ventry. Here is how to get to the site. 1. Go to http://books.google.com/ 2. Type in Lord Ventry as the subject 3. Press Search Books 4. When the page comes up, further refine your search by selecting the "full view" which can be found via the drop-down menu right next to where it says "Books showing". 5. Press Search Books 6. You should now be at the list of books available. 7. Click on any of the books which interests you, and read away. As stated earlier, I can not respond to any follow-up requests that you may have. Please do not email me.

I have found the following information about my gr-grandmother, Ellen Enright Flavin. Is there any way I can find more information about her sister, first name unknown, who is listed as Mrs. William Butler from Chicago, and also their parents, Dennis Enright and Nora Fee. Ellen Enright emigrated from Kilcoleman on the Campania from Queenstown, Ireland with husband Edward Flavin and daughter Nora. She arrived at Ellis Island on 31 August 1901 and was aged 50 years according to the Ellis Island web site. Information from death certificate NYS Dept. of Health dated May 28, 1912 Ellen Enright Flavin date of death May 28, 1912 503 Wilkinson St. Syracuse NY age: 54 years dob about 1858 in Ireland Spouse: Edward Flavin Father: Dennis Enright Mother: Nora Fee both born in Ireland (Although death certs are notoriously unreliable this information supplied by husband Edward Flavin who died in 1937 and was therefore probably healthy and alert in 1912) Syracuse Post Standard Thursday, May 27, 1912 The funeral of Mrs. Ellen Flavin, whose death occurred yesterday at her home after a short illness, will be held Friday morning at 8:15 o'clock from the framily home and half an hour later at St. John the Evangelist Church. Mrs. Flavin was well known in the West end, having lived there for a number of years. Besides her husband Edward Flavin, Mrs. Flavin is survived by four sons, Mathew, Thomas, John and Edward, jr.; one daughter Mrs. J. Phillips of this city and a sister Mrs. William Butler of Chicago. Kathleen Timmons

Russnacarten beg & more; Rosnacartan beg & more parish Kilbonane _http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/tithetrugm.html_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/tithetrugm.html) In a message dated 2/11/2008 1:02:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, DBJOLEARY@aol.com writes: Does anyone know where the townland of Rossnacarton is in Co. Kerry? The spelling may be a bit off but that's what I deciphered from one of the Casey Volumes. I think I may have found the birthplace of my g.g.grm. Ellen Moriarity, b. 03/28/1812. Thanks. Don O'Leary **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000 025 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Does anyone know where the townland of Rossnacarton is in Co. Kerry? The spelling may be a bit off but that's what I deciphered from one of the Casey Volumes. I think I may have found the birthplace of my g.g.grm. Ellen Moriarity, b. 03/28/1812. Thanks. Don O'Leary **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Although there seems to be no access to Lord Ventry's papers, I wonder if anyone can tell me anything about the man and his life? Thanks, Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Fitzgerald" <sleahead@roadrunner.com> To: <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Lord Ventry Papers >A couple of years ago I asked at the National Library in Dublin and they > said they do not have any of Lord Ventry's papers. They were kind enough > to > check with a Library in Kerry, I think Tralee, and were told that they did > not have any either. > > > > Both Libraries said that they thought they may have been destroyed or > could > still be held privately by someone. > > > > > > Kathleen > > > > > > _____ > > From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:05 AM > To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com > Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 37 > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A couple of years ago I asked at the National Library in Dublin and they said they do not have any of Lord Ventry's papers. They were kind enough to check with a Library in Kerry, I think Tralee, and were told that they did not have any either. Both Libraries said that they thought they may have been destroyed or could still be held privately by someone. Kathleen _____ From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:05 AM To: irl-kerry@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 37

I believe that Lord Ventry's estate papers are not in any public registry in Ireland...Dec... I

Message: 2 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:20:08 -0800 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: [IRELAND] "Preparing For The Station" -- Mary GUCKIAN b. Kiltoghert, Co. Leitrim (contemp.) To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> PREPARING FOR THE STATION During March and October Mass was celebrated in each townland; much painting and cleaning took up the time beforehand. Each piece of wood had to be prepared; poor chimney draughts made the drying of paint difficult. Everyone worried that the neighbours might get their clothes ruined, or that the priest's wide cloak might blow against the door post. China dishes were washed and scoured. Old white tablecloths with silvery designs were washed and starched; the ironing brought up the pattern. The towels edged with heavy lace were used for the small tables, where the priest laid his particles before saying Mass. Bedspreads never seen before came out of old trunks, the Sacred Heart Lamp was polished along with brass candlesticks. The priest gave a sermon telling us to love our neighbour. If a family from the townland was missing it was assumed a row was brewing, or it could be that they wanted to avoid the next turn for Mass. The priest never left without a volunteer promising to take the next Station. Lots of food was served for breakfast in the parlour. -- Mary Guckian

Hi, I also see your Dennis Kelley (with an e) death record is listed as 1898, vol 482, page 27 in Hadley. This one does not have an image available however. Take care Ed Callahan **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

I see that you have found the information that you were seeking. You can view it for yourself by going to the New England Historical Genealogical Society website. Under the records from 1840 to 1910, if you type in a search for Kelly, with the town of Hadley listed, with the dates from 1887 to 1889, you will be able to view the actual record for Lizzie Kelly. (Record number) date of birth date of record name sex place of birth names of parents 14 June 20 (1888) Feb 8, 1889 Lizzie Kelly Female Hadley Dennis + Emma (McCarty) Residence of parents Occupation Pob father pob mother Hadley Farmer Ireland Ireland Take care, Ed Callahan **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Patsy, You should post your new-found information. You never know who it may help down the road! Kate in Chicago

I'd like to thank all the wonderful people on the Rootsweb lists that I belong to. With your help, a birth record for my Lizzie Kelley was found for Hadley, MA (thanks Monica!), and I got some good information on other records to search for. I guess most of us know that the US censuses aren't perfect, but they sure are pretty important. Good luck to all of you. ~Patsy~ ----- Original Message ----- From: PatsiGen To: Kelly List ; kelley@rootsweb.com Cc: Kerry List Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: NY Birth Records Hi all. I'm hoping someone could help me on the next step I should take to try to find a birth record. My KELLY ancestors all emigrated from Glenflesk, Co. Kerry between the years of 1870 and 1883. I believe one of the first ones to arrive in America was DENNIS KELLY (also went by KELLEY). He married Ellen McCARTHY from Mineville, NY, and their only daughter, Lizzie, was born in June 1888, according to the 1900 US Census. This census also says she was born in New York. So, I believe Dennis was in New York, and met his wife in NY. Dennis and his family eventually moved to Hadley, Massachusetts. Dennis died in June 1898, and his will stated that his daughter would be sent to Mineville, NY and be under guardianship of her uncle, Rev. FLORENCE MCCARTHY. Sure enough, Mineville is where I found his wife and daughter in the 1900 census mentioned above. Ellen and Lizzie were living with the Rev. Florence McCarthy. Lizzie's birth year was confirmed to be around 1888 by the fact that her father died in June 1898, and she was "11" in the June 1900 census. I had sent a request for her birth certificate copy to the New York State Department of Health Vital Records Section early in 2007. I paid for a 3-year search. I've just received word that they could not find her birth record. One of my questions is, would it be unusual for a child not to have registered birth record? I realize that the census information is not always accurate, but because Ellen McCarthy can be found in Mineville, NY in the 1880 and 1900 censuses, I am sure Dennis must have met her in NY. I found a Dennis Kelley in NY in the 1880 census, but he lived in another county. The 1890 census records burned in a fire, so I cannot track Dennis' whereabouts after 1880, except that I know he lived in Hadley, MA next to my great-grandfather, his brother. Dennis was buried in Hadley, but Ellen and Lizzie's names are not mentioned on his headstone. I do plan to ask the Town of Hadley to do a search for Lizzie's (Elizabeth Ann) birth record, but I don't expect to find it there. I do not know what happened to Ellen and Lizzie after they were in the 1900 census (or when they went to Mineville in 1898). So, does anyone know of another way to go about this? Any ideas on how to find a birth record for Lizzie? Thanks, ~Patsy~ Researching KELLY and O'DONOGHUE of the Iron Mills (aka Old Forge) area of Glen Flesk. (Patrick KELLY married Ellen O'DONOGHUE of Rusheenmore in 1834.)

I would PHONE the cemetery where Denis is buried and ask who/how many are buried with him. Not exact, but worth noting: SSDI Elizabeth Kelly 12956 Mineville, Essex, New York, United States of America DOB 3 APR 1886 DOD Sept 1967