I am also researching the Collins line....I'm looking for the marriage of Denis COLLINS and Bridget ENRIGHT, that took place about 1838. Their marriage is not in the Limerick archives, but they Christened their children in Abbeyfeale, and I've been told to look over the border in Kerry. Barb Lewis Gillon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Kinsey" <sueandgareth@msn.com> To: <irl-kerry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] COLLINS I am researching the Collins family . My great great grandfather was Michael Collins born in Kerry c 1836. He married a Catherine Gorman in London in 1856. Michael's father was John Collins also born in Kerry. I do not know what part of Kerry they came from and have never found actual parish records. All the info I have is from a wedding certificate that I had from Catherine Gorman who married Michael Collins.Catherine was orinally from Charleville in County Cork. Any help appreciated. Sue Kinsey _________________________________________________________________ Win 100’s of Virgin Experience days with BigSnapSearch.com http://www.bigsnapsearch.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, If the following quote from the Journal of the Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland interests you, then check it out via google books at the Url listed below it. "The Fitz Geralds, of Deelis, are buried in the lower room of the tower, the entrance to which is barred up by a monumental slab. ..." http://books.google.com/books?id=FL8CAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA499&dq=deelis#PPA499,M1 Please note,this comes from a book which was published in the 1800's. I have no connection to this family and am unable to answer any questions about it. I just thought that it may help someone on the list.

Still searching for the Weston family in Killarney et al. parents are John Whiston and Ellen Ryan. Looking at Griffiths I have located a John Whitstone in Ballynahoulort, Tralee and several Ryan families (Caher Anne Rd, Abbey St, Lower and Milk Market Lane) Tralee. I am beginning to think they may be the connection I'm seeking. I also know there were some Whiston's in Farmer's Bridge who were related. Does anyone recognize any of this, I sure hope so!!! ********Marge, I thought I'd come up for some connect the dots before I have to go into hibernation again. LOL Carol

Hello Listers Would anyone have any information on my Grandmother Elizabeth Downey born c 1871 Kenmare Co Kerry. Her father was Timothy Downey - Mother Johanna (could have been Maybury- Mayberry). Thanking you. June Brisbane Australia

Below are Downeys and Mayberrys from Griffiths Valuation records. Not sure of exact date these records were taken in Kenmare but initial valuation records(griffiths) were carried out for whole of Ireland in 1850's 60's. If u want to search records further just register on www.myirishancestry.com and goto griffiths valuations link. Regards, Fintan SurnameForenameTownlandParishCounty DowneyCharlesCaher EastKenmareKerry DowneyCorneliusDromatoukKenmareKerry DowneyMauriceDromatoukKenmareKerry DowneyDenisDromneavaneKenmareKerry DowneyThomasDromneavaneKenmareKerry DowneyJeremiahGortalinny NorthKenmareKerry DowneyThomasKilmurryKenmareKerry DowneyDenisLissyclearig LowerKenmareKerry DowneyThomasLissyclearig LowerKenmareKerry DowneyThomasLissyclearig UpperKenmareKerry SurnameForenameTownlandParishCounty MayberryAugustusCaher EastKenmareKerry MayberryRichardCaher EastKenmareKerry MayberryWilliamCaher EastKenmareKerry MayberryAugustusCaher WestKenmareKerry MayberryRichardCooragweanishKenmareKerry MayberryGeorge, M.D.DromatoukKenmareKerry MayberryCharlesGortagassKenmareKerry MayberryJamesGortagassKenmareKerry MayberryMargaretGortagassKenmareKerry MayberryGeorge, M.D.Gortalinny NorthKenmareKerry MayberryJohnGortnadullaghKenmareKerry MayberrySamuelGortnadullaghKenmareKerry MayberryWilliamHenry St.KenmareKerry MayberryGeorge, M.D.Islands No. 10KenmareKerry MayberryGeorge, M.D.Kenmare OldKenmareKerry MayberrySamuel K.Kenmare OldKenmareKerry MayberryDuckettLackaroeKenmareKerry MayberryDuckettMucksnaKenmareKerry MayberryGeorge, M.D.MucksnaKenmareKerry MayberryJamesMucksnaKenmareKerry MayberryJohnMucksnaKenmareKerry MayberryWilliamMucksnaKenmareKerry MayberryRichardTulligKenmareKerry MayberrySamuel K.William St.,Main St.KenmareKerry Regards, Fintan ___________________________________________________________ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/

June: Would this Downey have any ties to Kilcumin? I have a Timothy Downey dad of Ellen Downey (b. 1853 in Knocklibade) dad of Margaret Weston ( b. 1886 Ballydribeen) mom of Lillian Harlow ( b. 1915 Charlestown, Ma) mom of John Fiske (b. 1954 Hanover, NH) could this have been your Elizabeth's dad or perhaps brother? I sure hope so as I can't seem to get anywheres on this brick wall Carol from a very wet Orlando irl-kerry-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Downey- Maybury (June) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:30:00 +1000 From: June Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Downey- Maybury To: Irl-Kerry@Rootsweb.com Message-ID: <47E1BE18.1040800@bigpond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello Listers Would anyone have any information on my Grandmother Elizabeth Downey born c 1871 Kenmare Co Kerry. Her father was Timothy Downey - Mother Johanna (could have been Maybury- Mayberry). Thanking you. June Brisbane Australia ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to IRL-KERRY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 68 ****************************************

LOL I love it!!!!! Liz - LMAO in still dark but warm Space Coast Florida. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Oh! There you are Mr. Marshall: It's called consistency, I have never done other than ignored, neglected, dismissed, etc. your advice. Now, maybe, rarely, I might have paid attention to your counsel. Heeding it is another matter and not to be published on the Kerry List, it is afterall somewhat a private matter. You must brush up on the quality of the dictionary you use, the word is DYE not DIE, there is a substantial difference between the words, don't you know. And NO, nothing would possibly harm your feet, pinkies included, beyond their initial creation which was a full measure of "harm".. Time for bed now, I'm exhausted from the day's goings on. Love, Jack Sweeney in very dark and cold Palmer, Pennsylvania. _________________________________________________________________ > > I must say that you have your nerve ignoring my sage advice, I must say! > > I must ask, do you, Mr. Sweeney, guarantee that RIT dies, of Kerry > Green, or any other hue, won't harm my lovely pinkies? > > > Mr. Marshall > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John L. Sweeney [mailto:sweelab@enter.net] > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:20 PM > To: Ray Marshall; 'Kerry List' > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] St. Patrick's Day Regards > > > Hi Ray: > > Missed your instructions to those on the Kerry List for some time. > Not that they weren't there just that I completely ignored your > advice and counsel But this business over your damn socks > got my fingers going and mind spinning and I decided > the right most apt thing for me was to "help out" if I could. > > And, I can. So, go to the local supermarket at whatever > god-awful place you live in and buy a small amount of RIT Kerry Green > dye > and follow the directions to dye a pair of white cotton socks > you can buy at the local Dollar Store to an acceptable > green chroma, hue, color, etc. > > Then you'll be a happy camper. Oh, don't put them on until > you are sure they are dry. Maybe just hang them up someplace warm and > wait for a day or so before putting them on your questionable "feet". > > Love, Jack > > >> >> And the same from me, with a request! >> >> I finally saw the perfect green socks to wear as a part of my March 17 > >> costumery. >> >> Anybody know where I can find something like that for next (and >> future) years. The wearer of said socks got them as a gift. >> > >

In a message dated 3/17/2008 7:21:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sweelab@enter.net writes: Then you'll be a happy camper. Oh, don't put them on until you are sure they are dry. Maybe just hang them up someplace warm and wait for a day or so before putting them on your questionable "feet". ------------------------------------------------------------ and then just pray that your feet don't sweat! But maybe it's too cold in Minnesota for that to happen. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

I must say that you have your nerve ignoring my sage advice, I must say! I must ask, do you, Mr. Sweeney, guarantee that RIT dies, of Kerry Green, or any other hue, won't harm my lovely pinkies? Mr. Marshall -----Original Message----- From: John L. Sweeney [mailto:sweelab@enter.net] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:20 PM To: Ray Marshall; 'Kerry List' Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] St. Patrick's Day Regards Hi Ray: Missed your instructions to those on the Kerry List for some time. Not that they weren't there just that I completely ignored your advice and counsel But this business over your damn socks got my fingers going and mind spinning and I decided the right most apt thing for me was to "help out" if I could. And, I can. So, go to the local supermarket at whatever god-awful place you live in and buy a small amount of RIT Kerry Green dye and follow the directions to dye a pair of white cotton socks you can buy at the local Dollar Store to an acceptable green chroma, hue, color, etc. Then you'll be a happy camper. Oh, don't put them on until you are sure they are dry. Maybe just hang them up someplace warm and wait for a day or so before putting them on your questionable "feet". Love, Jack > > And the same from me, with a request! > > I finally saw the perfect green socks to wear as a part of my March 17 > costumery. > > Anybody know where I can find something like that for next (and > future) years. The wearer of said socks got them as a gift. >

Hi Ray: Missed your instructions to those on the Kerry List for some time. Not that they weren't there just that I completely ignored your advice and counsel But this business over your damn socks got my fingers going and mind spinning and I decided the right most apt thing for me was to "help out" if I could. And, I can. So, go to the local supermarket at whatever god-awful place you live in and buy a small amount of RIT Kerry Green dye and follow the directions to dye a pair of white cotton socks you can buy at the local Dollar Store to an acceptable green chroma, hue, color, etc. Then you'll be a happy camper. Oh, don't put them on until you are sure they are dry. Maybe just hang them up someplace warm and wait for a day or so before putting them on your questionable "feet". Love, Jack > > And the same from me, with a request! > > I finally saw the perfect green socks to wear as a part of my March 17 > costumery. > > Anybody know where I can find something like that for next (and future) > years. The wearer of said socks got them as a gift. >

And the same from me, with a request! I finally saw the perfect green socks to wear as a part of my March 17 costumery. Anybody know where I can find something like that for next (and future) years. The wearer of said socks got them as a gift. -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of John L. Sweeney Sent: Monday, "That Glorious Day", March 17, 2008 11:32 AM To: Kerry List Subject: [IRL-KERRY] St. Patrick's Day Regards Good Day to All: The blessings and peace of St. Patrick be with you and yours, today and all the days of your life. Love, Jack Sweeney, Palmer, Pennsylvania

Good Day to All: The blessings and peace of St. Patrick be with you and yours, today and all the days of your life. Love, Jack Sweeney, Palmer, Pennsylvania

A happy generous nature, A friendly spirit too- These are the gifts St. Patrick Has surely given you- And may every day to come Bring a generous part Of all the happy things in life That keep joy in you heart ~from a book called Irish Blessings, An Illustrated Edition~ I thought this blessing was appropriate for the people on this Kerry list. You are generous in sharing what you know, you know we all have spirit, and genealogy brings joy to our hearts! Happy St. Patrick's Day!!!!! ~Patsy~ Researching KELLY and O'DONOGHUE of the Iron Mills (aka Old Forge) area of Glen Flesk. (Patrick KELLY married Ellen O'DONOGHUE of Rusheenmore in 1834.)

Helen Yes the names Healy and Kerrisk are connected. My grandfather born in Gortalassa Firies was Denis Kerrisk and was married under the surname Kerrisk. However the eldest son was registered as Healy with other siblings registered as Kerrisk - in later years it caused a lot of difficulty with official forms etc. In my grandfather's time the family were often known in the locality as Healy Kerrisk . Now they only use Healy. Also searching parish records trying to disentangle Kerrisk families in the area between Tralee and Killarney I have come across numerous examples of Kerrisk being changed to Healy even within one generation. There are different versions of the origins of Kerrisk and I see that somebody has posted the McLysaght and Woulfe explanations earlier on the list. This is one version I have come across from Smith's History of Kerry which states that a branch of the Healy from the Blackwater area of Cork moved into Kerry and were known as the Healy "Ciar Uisce" branch - "ciar uisce" is a form of gaelic for Black Water and eventually were just called Kerrisk. I'm not sure if this is more accurate than the Woulfe McLysaght version. Clare Tuohy

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:42:05 -0700 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: [IRELAND] {Spam?} The Irish Boglands - Habitat Rich in Plant Life, Birds, Insects, Creatures, Peat, Preserved History To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> SNIPPET: There is something timeless about the Irish boglands with their wide landscapes of soft brown, stretching into the foothills of the distant blue mountains, broken only by occasional small figures stooping to a cutting or piling sods into a neat rick. Visitors encountering them for the first time gaze at the heather and bog cotton blowing in the breeze, watch a hare leaping lightly, hear the cry of a curlew and breath in the scent of the sharp peaty soil. Small wonder that artists and writers have immortalised the boglands of Ireland, from the paintings of Jack YEATS and Paul HENRY, to the poetry of Seamus HEANEY and the nostalgic images of a writer for children, Patricia LYNCH. Many birds make the bog their home, and the plaintive cry of the curlew, lapwing or redshank overhead is characteristic of spring or autumn, while the joyous song of the skylark and echoing call of the cuckoo is found in summer. The old country name for the grey heron is Molly-the-bogs. The brown or Irish hare is part of this kingdom, as is the cautious red fox, shy rabbit and tiny bank vole. Butterflies, damselflies and dragonflies are plentiful in summer, when the bog spider spins his web to catch the unwary. The Irish boglands are rich in plant life and at most times of the year you can see a range of flowers, heathers, grasses and shrubs which are only happy in this special habitat. One of the most unusual is the butterwort with a tall, brilliant blue flower. Its hairy basal leaves are slightly sticky and trap insects so that the edges of the leaf can then roll over the digest their prize. The golden-red sundew captures prey in the same manner. Orchids, too, enjoy the acid soil, while yellow iris paints bright patches of colour. Cross-leaved and St. Dabeoc's Heath grow in sturdy clumps. You will have to stoop very close to the ground to see the tiny blue flowers of milkwort, marsh violet or speedwell. The fragile ecosystem includes bogbean, bog asphodel, bog rosemary and bog myrtle. The latter is an insignificant little waterside shrub, but once you crush a leaf and get the spicy scent, you realise why it gained its alternative name of sweet gale. Folks of old used bunches of bog myrtle to discourage moths and other pests from their linen cupboards, just as they gathered bilberries and cranberries from the low-growing bushes for their food and lichens from the rocks to dye their cloth. Turf-cutting is big in Kerry. The drying black stooks of turf stand in the summer bogs among the yellow flat irises, the white bog cotton and the deep and bronze pools. However, to strip the bogs seems a pity. It takes a million years to make a bog and its unique flora, once gone, is irreplaceable. Bogs are estimated to have covered up to 3 million acres, or approximately one-seventh of Ireland's land area in the past. They have acted, variously, as a major constraint on the human exploitation of the Irish environment during later prehistoric and early historic times and in more recent centuries, as a reservoir of colonizable land and as a source of fuel. Only with the rise in population since the early modern period, and improvements in drainage, have bogs come to be regarded as land to be reclaimed rather than wasteland to be avoided. Many unusual and interesting objects from the bronze age, etc., have been found preserved in the bogs, as well as human remains. In one of HEANEY's poems about the bog, "Strange Fruit," are found these lines: "Here is the girl's head like an exhumed gourd/Oval-faced, prune-skinned, prune-stones for teeth/They unswaddled the wet fern of her hair/And made an exhibition of its coil/Let the air at her leathery beauty/Pash of tallow, perishable treasure/Her broken nose is dark as a turf clod/Her eyeholes blank as pools... Murdered, forgotten, nameless ...." The Jan-Feb 2002 issue of "Ireland of the Welcomes" magazine, published in Dublin, featured a several-page story on the boglands with colorful photographs to include: A donkey-cart in Co. Mayo; a hen harrier in flight; delicate wisps of bog cotton; exposed stone walls of Ceide Fields, near Ballycastle, Co. Mayo, which have disclosed ancient farming methods; blanket bog near Ballyhoura, Co. Limerick; Nad Bog in Cork with recent snow-fall; commercial turf-cutting machines in the boglands of Co. Offaly; a delicate glimmer of turquoise, a damselfly on a blade of grass; a perfectly camouflaged snipe with long beak treading carefully through the undergrowth; a red grouse against a background of heather and scrubland; a smiling woman with her traditional bastable pot making delicious soda bread, hot turf ash piled on top of bastable which hangs over a turf fire; a kestrel seeking prey swooping across the land; gnarled stumps of bog oak exposed over the years near Ireland's highest mountain, Carrauntoohill, Co. Kerry; gorgeous red and black peacock butterfly on the stalk of a purple-blue scabious; a curlew making a comeback after being threatened with extinction because of changing farm practices; a little creature called a bank vole; the Clonmacnoise and West Offaly Railway, with local guides showing visitors how to try their hand at turf-cutting in the traditional way; bushy bog myrtle; the vast brown expanse of commercial bogland in the midlands punctuated by yellow gorse bushes; a common lizard soaks up sunshine while stretched out on a warm rock amongst purple flowers; a close-up of a bog spider spinning an intricate and strong web. Speaking of gorse bushes - I recall reading that the colorful little stone-chat bird can be found throughout Ireland, especially on golden gorse bushes (perhaps also in the bogland?), its name derived from its distinctive call which is reminiscent of two stones being rubbed together.

I hope someone pays heed to TD Mitchell's scathing comments to the Irish Government for using public money to pay for the transcription of this material and then charging for it or giving it away so someone else can charge for it. She didn't sound approving at all. Rick Shea

If Marie is still on the list could she contact me please? Mail is being returned as 'user unknown' although the address worked fine last week. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand

Has anyone come across a DUGGAN family in Co Kerry, possibly somewhere close to the Limerick border? I am looking for Thomas DUGGAN mrd to Jane (with severl a.k.as, depending on the baptism of the children) McCARTHY (also with variables). Known children are: Daniel - baptised 3 Mar 1837; sponsors William KING and Margaret RIORDAN Johanna - baptised 9 December 1838, Godmother - Margaret RIORDAN Mary - born about 1839 Honora - baptised 31 Jan 1842, Sponsor - Mary McCARTHY Daniel, Johanna and Honora were baptised at Abbeyfeale Parish, Co Limerick. I have not been able to locate a baptism for Mary. Mary married James RYAN, Abbeyfeale Parish Church 1865. They had 10 children in Ireland and then migrated to New Zealand. Honora married Capt James STEPHENS in Auckland, NZ, Nov 1863. I have not been able to find Honora's departure from Ireland, or her arrival in New Zealand. However, an old 'family tale' says that 'the seaman, James STEPHENS picked her up in Australia and came to New Zealand'. I would like to know of any other children, and what happened to Daniel and Johanna. There is record in the NSW State Library of the following on the Hotspur, arriving in Australia in 1862: DUGGAN Honora age 20 and sister DUGGAN Mary age 22 and sister DUGGAN Michael age 23 DUGGAN Patrick age 23. I have often wondered if the above are my DUGGAN family but unfortunately, I am not in a position to follow these up. The ages of Honora and Mary fit nicely with my Honora and Mary. It is possible that Mary went back to Ireland and married James RYAN and that the above mentioned Honora was my 2xgreat grandmother. Honora's father Thomas had died before 1867 and her mother Jane died between 1881 and 1886 in Abbeyfeale. It is believed that they were married in Co Kerry. Is there anyone on the list who can help locate this family? Anne -- Anne PICKETTS Researching: DUGGAN, McCARTHY, RYAN in Limerick and Kerry NZSG: #5331