Jenny Have no knowledge of a fire - the church is always referred to as being built in 1824. Perhaps there was a fire in the church? For whatever reason the records are lost to us sadly. When you say the largest parish - in what respect? I doubt it is in terms of parishioners (vs Killarney and Tralee) or area but I could be wrong My family talked of us (O'Donoghues and Connors - with Sullivan and Mahoneys from Cork mixed in)coming from Killarney and Glenginthy which I have always interpreted as Glanageenty a townland in Ballymacelligott, and my more recent DNA patterns fit with folk from that general area. But as the parish records are lost I will probably never know more than that. TABs and Griffiths have not really helped. I have found a few Killarney families which might fit, but none are conclusive. You are lucky to have a definite townland to focus on. I am turning to the social conditions side of my family history for the next phase of my research until new connections come along. I live in hopes! Interestingly a great aunt is referred in UK censuses as being born in Kerry in 1891 but then in Dublin in 1901. I have not found her birth there either. Folk like me have to hope we find someone who recognises our family data - hence our presence on this forum! Cheers Rod Rod O'Donoghue Author of 'O'Donoghue People and Places' Founder of The O'Donoghue Society www.odonoghue.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Jenny B [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 August 2010 22:51 To: Rod O'Donoghue Cc: 'Kerry List' Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes Rod I was interested to see your comment - (perhaps because they may have been in Ballymacelligott parish). My SUGRUE and DUGGAN families who immigrated to New Zealand came from the townland of Dromavalla in the Parish of Ballymacelligott (DED Ballyseedy). Although I have been fortunate and found many records on the Kerry Parish Records site that connect to my line, there are others that I have not been able to locate - my great grandfather Timothy SUGRUE c1852 and his brother John c1850 - the sons of Timothy SUGRUE and Margaret TEAHAN. I have been told this is possibly due to a fire about 1866 that destroyed the Ballymacelligott church and all records held there. I think from memory the first records for Ballymacelligott on the Kerry Parish Records site start about 1868 - there is nothing for Ballymacelligott prior to 1868. Do you have any knowledge as to this possible fire or why Ballymacelligott records commence in 1868? I have also read where Ballymacelligott was or is the largest Parish in Kerry? Regards Jenny Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> To: "'marysimpson'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "'Rootsweb Cork'" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes >I have set myself the task of relating the famine in local terms for my > family and our society and started the research during a recent visit to > Killarney. It is very early days but here's some random stuff in relation > to your areas of interest > > Killaha, Killarney and Killorglin lost 33% of the potato crop in 1846 vs > 66% > in Aghadoe and others. By 1847 the first two were still not as badly hit > but Killorglin was suffering in terms of gratuitous poor law relief. > > In relation to Kerry emigration between 1841-51, 16.6% left Magunihy > barony > which is not half as bad as some others who lost 25 to 36% (two were > however > as low as 4.5-5.6%. > > The project will need a few more trips to Kerry and a lot of writing time. > > In my own case I have been unable to find the birth and marriage records > of > this period for my family (perhaps because they may have been in > Ballymacelligott parish). > > Was Donough's feedback helpful? > > Cheers > > Rod > > Rod O'Donoghue > Author of 'O'Donoghue People and Places' > Founder of The O'Donoghue Society > www.odonoghue.co.uk > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of marysimpson > Sent: 23 August 2010 10:13 > To: [email protected]; Rootsweb Cork > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney Work > House Guardian Minutes > > I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation > so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that > I would like to see if anyone else has views about. > > 1. Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's > Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? > There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps - > and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the > ones you are interested in. But it's still an invaluable resource. > > 2. I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse > Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month - and > attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness > - but something niggled me. During this period our Kerry families > continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every > year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived. They > leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about > twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on > poorer land. And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in > the early 1860s. Does this mean that they were just lucky? The Minute > Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were > some places particularly hard hit? Our family were from Glenflesk, > Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. > > Mary > > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the > Irish > genealogy community. 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Hello Listers The new International Rose of Tralee for 2010 is the London Rose Clare Kamembattv Born Athy co Kildare and working in England Michael in Killarney

Thanks to Ray for bringing this up and William for the link. I will share it with the Irish Interest Group of the Southern California Genealogical Society on Sunday, August 29th, when we have the Irish Workshop. It fits in very nicely with the talk on 'Land Division' that I have planned. I have already added it to my agenda. This is why I NEVER have a FIRM agenda planned months or weeks in advance. There is always something WONDERFUL to add that comes up in that last week. Thanks a bunch, Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan in Kildare

Hello Jenny, I don't know if there is a connection, but my g-g-grandmother was Mary SUGRUE from Glaantane, County Kerry m. 25 Feb 1854 Prior Parish to Michael SULLIVAN of Dungegan, County Kerry. [Glaantane is aka Glantane, near the town of Ballynane on the Dingle Peninsula.] This Mary SUGRUE would probably have been the right age to be sister of your Timothy SUGRUE [husband of Margaret TEAHAN]. The marriage, from Prior Parish Marriage Register: 25 Feb 1854 Michael Sullivan & Mary Sughrue; [bride] from townland: Glaantane [aka Glantane, I think]; witnesses: Daniel Moran & Bartholomew SHEA; clergy Rev. Patrick Foley [soruce: http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/] Michael SULLIVAN d. 18 Jun 1883 Dungegan, County Kerry. Listed as age 63; widower; occupation: Lot Holder; surviving relative: Thomas Neil, nephew. Source: information extrated from death record. [Based on this record, Mary d. bef 18 Jun 1883]. Do you think there may be a connection here? Thanks in advance for your thoughts! Eileen In a message dated 8/23/10, [email protected] writes: > Rod I was interested to see your comment - (perhaps because they may have > been in Ballymacelligott parish). > My SUGRUE and DUGGAN families who immigrated to New Zealand came from the > townland of Dromavalla in the Parish of Ballymacelligott (DED Ballyseedy). > Although I have been fortunate and found many records on the Kerry Parish > Records site that connect to my line, there are others that I have not > been > able to locate - my great grandfather Timothy SUGRUE c1852 and his brother > John c1850 - the sons of Timothy SUGRUE and Margaret TEAHAN. > I have been told this is possibly due to a fire about 1866 that destroyed > the Ballymacelligott church and all records held there. I think from > memory > the first records for Ballymacelligott on the Kerry Parish Records site > start about 1868 - there is nothing for Ballymacelligott prior to 1868. > Do you have any knowledge as to this possible fire or why Ballymacelligott > records commence in 1868? > I have also read where Ballymacelligott was or is the largest Parish in > Kerry? > Regards > Jenny > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> > To: "'marysimpson'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; > "'Rootsweb Cork'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:32 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney > WorkHouse Guardian Minutes > > > >I have set myself the task of relating the famine in local terms for my > > family and our society and started the research during a recent visit to > > Killarney.  It is very early days but here's some random stuff in > relation > > to your areas of interest > > > > Killaha, Killarney and Killorglin lost 33% of the potato crop in 1846 vs > > 66% > > in Aghadoe and others.  By 1847 the first two were still not as badly > hit > > but Killorglin was suffering in terms of gratuitous poor law relief. > > > > In relation to Kerry emigration between 1841-51, 16.6% left Magunihy > > barony > > which is not half as bad as some others who lost 25 to 36% (two were > > however > > as low as 4.5-5.6%. > > > > The project will need a few more trips to Kerry and a lot of writing > time. > > > > In my own case I have been unable to find the birth and marriage records > > of > > this period for my family (perhaps because they may have been in > > Ballymacelligott parish). > > > > Was Donough's feedback helpful? > > > > Cheers > > > > Rod > > > > Rod O'Donoghue > > Author of 'O'Donoghue People and Places' > > Founder of The O'Donoghue Society > > www.odonoghue.co.uk > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of marysimpson > > Sent: 23 August 2010 10:13 > > To: [email protected]; Rootsweb Cork > > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney Work > > House Guardian Minutes > > > > I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation > > so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that > > I would like to see if anyone else has views about. > > > > 1.  Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's > > Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? > > There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps  - > >  and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the > > ones you are interested in.  But it's still an invaluable resource. > > > > 2.   I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse > > Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month  -  and > > attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness > > -  but something niggled me.  During this period our Kerry families > > continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every > > year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived.  They > > leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about > > twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on > > poorer land.  And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in > > the early 1860s.  Does this mean that they were just lucky?  The Minute > > Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were > > some places particularly hard hit?  Our family were from Glenflesk, > > Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. > > > > Mary

Hi Meg, There might be one possibility on the Family Search Pilot site. There was a death registered in Killarney Jan-Mar 1919 for a Johanna Ferris who died aged aged 89, Vol 5 Page 257. Even though there is a slight difference agewise could still possibly be her. Bernie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Meg Kenagy Sent: 24 August 2010 03:23 To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Ferris Hello, Listserve from Oregon -- You are a wealth of wonderful information! Does anyone have an idea of where to find a death record or information on this subject: The 1911 census shows my ggg grandmother, Hannah (Joanna) Ferris, age 79 living in Groin, Killarney with her son and family. I have been unable to find a death record in the Irish civil registration Index on familysearch.org or on the RC records online. Any advice or where I should look next? Thank you, Meg Ferris Kenagy _______________ ---------------

Rod I was interested to see your comment - (perhaps because they may have been in Ballymacelligott parish). My SUGRUE and DUGGAN families who immigrated to New Zealand came from the townland of Dromavalla in the Parish of Ballymacelligott (DED Ballyseedy). Although I have been fortunate and found many records on the Kerry Parish Records site that connect to my line, there are others that I have not been able to locate - my great grandfather Timothy SUGRUE c1852 and his brother John c1850 - the sons of Timothy SUGRUE and Margaret TEAHAN. I have been told this is possibly due to a fire about 1866 that destroyed the Ballymacelligott church and all records held there. I think from memory the first records for Ballymacelligott on the Kerry Parish Records site start about 1868 - there is nothing for Ballymacelligott prior to 1868. Do you have any knowledge as to this possible fire or why Ballymacelligott records commence in 1868? I have also read where Ballymacelligott was or is the largest Parish in Kerry? Regards Jenny Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> To: "'marysimpson'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "'Rootsweb Cork'" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes >I have set myself the task of relating the famine in local terms for my > family and our society and started the research during a recent visit to > Killarney. It is very early days but here's some random stuff in relation > to your areas of interest > > Killaha, Killarney and Killorglin lost 33% of the potato crop in 1846 vs > 66% > in Aghadoe and others. By 1847 the first two were still not as badly hit > but Killorglin was suffering in terms of gratuitous poor law relief. > > In relation to Kerry emigration between 1841-51, 16.6% left Magunihy > barony > which is not half as bad as some others who lost 25 to 36% (two were > however > as low as 4.5-5.6%. > > The project will need a few more trips to Kerry and a lot of writing time. > > In my own case I have been unable to find the birth and marriage records > of > this period for my family (perhaps because they may have been in > Ballymacelligott parish). > > Was Donough's feedback helpful? > > Cheers > > Rod > > Rod O'Donoghue > Author of 'O'Donoghue People and Places' > Founder of The O'Donoghue Society > www.odonoghue.co.uk > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of marysimpson > Sent: 23 August 2010 10:13 > To: [email protected]; Rootsweb Cork > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney Work > House Guardian Minutes > > I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation > so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that > I would like to see if anyone else has views about. > > 1. Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's > Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? > There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps - > and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the > ones you are interested in. But it's still an invaluable resource. > > 2. I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse > Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month - and > attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness > - but something niggled me. During this period our Kerry families > continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every > year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived. They > leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about > twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on > poorer land. And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in > the early 1860s. Does this mean that they were just lucky? The Minute > Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were > some places particularly hard hit? Our family were from Glenflesk, > Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. > > Mary > > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the > Irish > genealogy community. 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Hi Meg   My grandmother was Mary Ferris Wilkie of Killarney and her mother was Joanna Ferris of Castlegregory  In the 1901 and 1911 Census Joanna lived in Castlegregory. Joanna was in her 60's at that time.  On page 2 of the Notes of Paddy Joe Wilkie on the Kerry site, I have listed the names of Joanna's children, Cornelius, Patrick and Joseph and Mary.  My grandmother died in Killallarney in 1925 and is buried at the New Cemetary.Mary's three brothers immigrated to America and the info I have about them Cornelius FERRIS worked for the City of Hartford CT. Not known if he ever married. Patrick FERRIS lived in New York. His daughters were named Bessie & Loretta FERRIS. Loretta married a SUPPLE, a NYC detective. Joseph FERRIS lived in New York and had a son that became a priest. The priest Joe Jr was at Dunwoodie NY   Photo of Joanna Ferris is on Kerry site note of Paddy Joe Wilkie ( page2)   http://www.igp-web.com/kerry/wilkienotesb.html It would be nice if this info helps you   Good luck searching   Bridget       --- On Tue, 8/24/10, Bernie Donaghey <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bernie Donaghey <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Ferris To: "'Meg Kenagy'" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 7:30 AM Hi Meg, There might be one possibility on the Family Search Pilot site.  There was a death registered in Killarney Jan-Mar 1919 for a Johanna Ferris who died aged aged 89, Vol 5 Page 257.  Even though there is a slight difference agewise could still possibly be her.

I should also like to thank all those who replied to my queries - and all the extra sources that they cite, such a help to people digging up the 19th century. It really does help to " put flesh on the bones " of understanding what all our families lives were like back then. Ray, although I said that part of my family came from Castlemaine / Milltown, the parish was actually Kilcolman, just to the south of Castlemaine, and the townland was Cloonmore. My great grandmother said that she was from Castlemaine even though her parish was Kilcolman. Another part of my family, from Templemichael / Ballinhassig in Cork, had an instance of a great great grandfather in the Griffith's just leasing a garden and house of an acre and a bit - he shared con-acre with another in the townland, Killaminoge, but then, in 1860 he is suddenly leasing over a hundred acres in the neighbouring townland of Clogheenduane, which he farmed with the rest of the family for the next twenty years. Quite a jump. And we also had family from near Goleen on the Mizen, in the parish of Kilmoe, which had dreadful losses in the hunger. It is fascinating to compare and contrast different branches of families and their fluctuating fortunes. But I know that I am lucky in knowing where - most - of them came from. John S & John B thank you also for the great links, I also vaguely remember that the University of Southampton had Parliamentary lists of statistics from the old census and they were online. Rod your project sound wonderful and very interesting indeed. It'll take a heck of a lot of work, but what a subject to get your teeth into! I did get some great stuff from Donough although he had the info on my great grandfather Daniel Spillane wrong. But that wasn't surprising as Dan had lost touch completely with his family back in Glenflesk / Killaha, I suspect that he actually ran away. None of his children were named after his parents, only his grandparents. I would love to know what the spat was all about..... And thank you William for that website. Great stuff - only now its stuck and saying too many people trying it! Mary

Hmm, I wonder whether there might be a connection between your family and this Ferris family. In Spring 2006 we stayed overnight at their newly opened B&B. John Ferris is a musician and jaunting cart driver, and I believe he said the B&B was located on longtime family land. In retrospect I wished we'd hired him and his cart to go to/through the Gap of Dunloe (and back). I think that would have given a unique perspective on the area of the apparently several townlands to the south of the gap (in Templenoe RC Parish) that at least my Shea/O'Shea ancestors lived in (not sure about the Doyles and Foleys) in the early and mid-19th century. But, alas, after our overnight stay, we just drove back out to the north (to the N72), went east to Killarney and did some sightseeing there and nearby, then drove the N71 and R568 to Sneem. Actually, now that I just looked at some of the YouTube videos on the Gap of Dunloe (accessed by the Google Maps page on the Gap of Dunloe), it seems that at least some (perhaps brave?) people drive the cart road. Ah, maybe on the next trip.... http://www.ferriswheel.ie Marge ________________________________ From: Meg Kenagy <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 10:22:46 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Ferris Hello, Listserve from Oregon -- You are a wealth of wonderful information! Does anyone have an idea of where to find a death record or information on this subject: The 1911 census shows my ggg grandmother, Hannah (Joanna) Ferris, age 79 living in Groin, Killarney with her son and family. I have been unable to find a death record in the Irish civil registration Index on familysearch.org or on the RC records online. Any advice or where I should look next? Thank you, Meg Ferris Kenagy _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Listserve from Oregon -- You are a wealth of wonderful information! Does anyone have an idea of where to find a death record or information on this subject: The 1911 census shows my ggg grandmother, Hannah (Joanna) Ferris, age 79 living in Groin, Killarney with her son and family. I have been unable to find a death record in the Irish civil registration Index on familysearch.org or on the RC records online. Any advice or where I should look next? Thank you, Meg Ferris Kenagy

My earlier note had included a table of data comparing the changes between 1841 and 1851 in the area around Newtown Sandes. This table was not transmitted as it was deemed to be an attachment. Write to me privately if you would like to see the data. John Buckley ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Buckley" <[email protected]> To: "Ray Marshall" <[email protected]>; "'marysimpson'" <[email protected]> Cc: "Kerry List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps andKillarneyWorkHouse Guardian Minutes > It is correct that the original census returns 1841-1891 were destroyed by > order of the British Government, but the statistics gained from those > returns were kept and some at least were published and are available. It > is > over 20 years since I used these statistics and I was only researching the > changes in population and housing in North Kerry between 1841 and 1851. > The > results were published in 3 large volumes by the Irish Universities Press, > which should be available in most large libraries and universities. I'm > sorry that I no longer have the full reference > John Buckley > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Marshall" <[email protected]> > To: "'marysimpson'" <[email protected]> > Cc: "Kerry List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 1:19 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and > KillarneyWorkHouse Guardian Minutes > > >> >> >> >> Mary >> >> I'd have to do some research to answer your first question. First, I'd >> need to know exactly what you are looking at. >> >> Your second question is much easier. Frankly, those who leased (very >> few Irish farmers owned their property and they paid outrageous lease >> payments) 20 acres or more of land were fairly prosperous and didn't >> suffer nearly as much as the "cotters", those who perhaps had only 1 >> acre of land. When the crops failed on these "gardens", it was a >> disaster for the cotters. >> >> A long time ago, I found a fabulous tidbit of Irish history that has >> some Irish population figures for 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, etc. through >> 1911. We have all been led to believe that the census returns for those >> years were destroyed,. That is correct, but at least in the snippet >> that I found, and sadly I neglected to record where I found it, this >> might have been as long as 12 or more years ago, where the gross census >> figures were transcribed by somebody. >> >> The Castleisland civil parish townlands of Ahane, Ahneboy, Ballyduff, >> Beheenagh, Broughane, Feaufvatia, Gortroe, Knockachur, Knockariddera and >> Knockbrack were listed. >> >> In brief, the following townlands had dramatic decreases of population >> (due to deaths or emigratiion, it can't be determined; probably a >> combination of both) between 1841 and 1851: >> >> Ballyduff, 331 to 113 >> Beheenagh, 282 to 184 >> Gortroe 107 to 70 >> Knockariddera, 24 to 7 >> >> As opposed to Knockbrack where the population decreased just slightly >> from 334 to 320. Of course, over those ten years, the population would >> have been expected to increase considerably (if there was room) over a >> ten year period. >> >> If anybody wants a copy of all of the figures, I would be happyto send >> them in a spreadsheet file. >> >> On the Kerry web page there are some articles on the famine in Kerry >> >> >> 1. >> <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Black> >> Black '47 and Beyond >> 2. >> <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Great> >> The Great Calamity >> 3. >> <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Flight> >> Flight From Famine >> 4. >> <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Workhou >> ses> Workhouses of Ireland >> 5. >> <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Evictio >> ns> Evictions in Dingle >> >> >> >> Ray Marshall >> In Minneapolis with a slight sunburn today. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marysimpson >> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:14 AM >> To: [email protected]; Rootsweb Cork >> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney >> WorkHouse Guardian Minutes >> >> >> I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation >> so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that >> I would like to see if anyone else has views about. >> >> 1. Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's >> Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? >> There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps - >> and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the >> ones you are interested in. But it's still an invaluable resource. >> >> 2. I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse >> Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month - and >> attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness >> - but something niggled me. During this period our Kerry families >> continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every >> year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived. They >> leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about >> twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on >> poorer land. And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in >> the early 1860s. Does this mean that they were just lucky? The Minute >> Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were >> some places particularly hard hit? Our family were from Glenflesk, >> Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. >> >> Mary >>

Yes please, Ray, I would like a copy Thanks Rod -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Marshall Sent: 23 August 2010 13:19 To: 'marysimpson' Cc: Kerry List Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes Mary I'd have to do some research to answer your first question. First, I'd need to know exactly what you are looking at. Your second question is much easier. Frankly, those who leased (very few Irish farmers owned their property and they paid outrageous lease payments) 20 acres or more of land were fairly prosperous and didn't suffer nearly as much as the "cotters", those who perhaps had only 1 acre of land. When the crops failed on these "gardens", it was a disaster for the cotters. A long time ago, I found a fabulous tidbit of Irish history that has some Irish population figures for 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, etc. through 1911. We have all been led to believe that the census returns for those years were destroyed,. That is correct, but at least in the snippet that I found, and sadly I neglected to record where I found it, this might have been as long as 12 or more years ago, where the gross census figures were transcribed by somebody. The Castleisland civil parish townlands of Ahane, Ahneboy, Ballyduff, Beheenagh, Broughane, Feaufvatia, Gortroe, Knockachur, Knockariddera and Knockbrack were listed. In brief, the following townlands had dramatic decreases of population (due to deaths or emigratiion, it can't be determined; probably a combination of both) between 1841 and 1851: Ballyduff, 331 to 113 Beheenagh, 282 to 184 Gortroe 107 to 70 Knockariddera, 24 to 7 As opposed to Knockbrack where the population decreased just slightly from 334 to 320. Of course, over those ten years, the population would have been expected to increase considerably (if there was room) over a ten year period. If anybody wants a copy of all of the figures, I would be happyto send them in a spreadsheet file. On the Kerry web page there are some articles on the famine in Kerry 1. <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Black> Black '47 and Beyond 2. <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Great> The Great Calamity 3. <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Flight> Flight From Famine 4. <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Workhou ses> Workhouses of Ireland 5. <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Evictio ns> Evictions in Dingle Ray Marshall In Minneapolis with a slight sunburn today. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marysimpson Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:14 AM To: [email protected]; Rootsweb Cork Subject: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that I would like to see if anyone else has views about. 1. Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps - and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the ones you are interested in. But it's still an invaluable resource. 2. I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month - and attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness - but something niggled me. During this period our Kerry families continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived. They leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on poorer land. And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in the early 1860s. Does this mean that they were just lucky? The Minute Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were some places particularly hard hit? Our family were from Glenflesk, Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. Mary _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. 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I have set myself the task of relating the famine in local terms for my family and our society and started the research during a recent visit to Killarney. It is very early days but here's some random stuff in relation to your areas of interest Killaha, Killarney and Killorglin lost 33% of the potato crop in 1846 vs 66% in Aghadoe and others. By 1847 the first two were still not as badly hit but Killorglin was suffering in terms of gratuitous poor law relief. In relation to Kerry emigration between 1841-51, 16.6% left Magunihy barony which is not half as bad as some others who lost 25 to 36% (two were however as low as 4.5-5.6%. The project will need a few more trips to Kerry and a lot of writing time. In my own case I have been unable to find the birth and marriage records of this period for my family (perhaps because they may have been in Ballymacelligott parish). Was Donough's feedback helpful? Cheers Rod Rod O'Donoghue Author of 'O'Donoghue People and Places' Founder of The O'Donoghue Society www.odonoghue.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marysimpson Sent: 23 August 2010 10:13 To: [email protected]; Rootsweb Cork Subject: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney Work House Guardian Minutes I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that I would like to see if anyone else has views about. 1. Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps - and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the ones you are interested in. But it's still an invaluable resource. 2. I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month - and attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness - but something niggled me. During this period our Kerry families continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived. They leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on poorer land. And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in the early 1860s. Does this mean that they were just lucky? The Minute Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were some places particularly hard hit? Our family were from Glenflesk, Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. Mary _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5388 (20100823) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5389 (20100823) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Ah, well. they probably haven't had ten people look at it in the last year and if all 600 of us were browsing, that probably was too much for their system. Just wait til the other county researchers find out about it. Ray, in Minneapolis, not sorry that we broke it. Librarians like customers so they'll figure out a way to fix it.

In regards to the published census figures going back to 1841, you can find the digitized reports for England, Scotland and Ireland here: http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/Show?page=Home Use the search tab and enter townland, parish, barony, etc and year and you should get results. Since the books were digitized and indexed digitally (ie not be humans) some words might not have been recoginzed by the computer. So you will have to gte creative in your searches to get the figures for your parish/townland for each year. William D Romanski

It is correct that the original census returns 1841-1891 were destroyed by order of the British Government, but the statistics gained from those returns were kept and some at least were published and are available. It is over 20 years since I used these statistics and I was only researching the changes in population and housing in North Kerry between 1841 and 1851. The results were published in 3 large volumes by the Irish Universities Press, which should be available in most large libraries and universities. I'm sorry that I no longer have the full reference John Buckley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Marshall" <[email protected]> To: "'marysimpson'" <[email protected]> Cc: "Kerry List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and KillarneyWorkHouse Guardian Minutes > > > > Mary > > I'd have to do some research to answer your first question. First, I'd > need to know exactly what you are looking at. > > Your second question is much easier. Frankly, those who leased (very > few Irish farmers owned their property and they paid outrageous lease > payments) 20 acres or more of land were fairly prosperous and didn't > suffer nearly as much as the "cotters", those who perhaps had only 1 > acre of land. When the crops failed on these "gardens", it was a > disaster for the cotters. > > A long time ago, I found a fabulous tidbit of Irish history that has > some Irish population figures for 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, etc. through > 1911. We have all been led to believe that the census returns for those > years were destroyed,. That is correct, but at least in the snippet > that I found, and sadly I neglected to record where I found it, this > might have been as long as 12 or more years ago, where the gross census > figures were transcribed by somebody. > > The Castleisland civil parish townlands of Ahane, Ahneboy, Ballyduff, > Beheenagh, Broughane, Feaufvatia, Gortroe, Knockachur, Knockariddera and > Knockbrack were listed. > > In brief, the following townlands had dramatic decreases of population > (due to deaths or emigratiion, it can't be determined; probably a > combination of both) between 1841 and 1851: > > Ballyduff, 331 to 113 > Beheenagh, 282 to 184 > Gortroe 107 to 70 > Knockariddera, 24 to 7 > > As opposed to Knockbrack where the population decreased just slightly > from 334 to 320. Of course, over those ten years, the population would > have been expected to increase considerably (if there was room) over a > ten year period. > > If anybody wants a copy of all of the figures, I would be happyto send > them in a spreadsheet file. > > On the Kerry web page there are some articles on the famine in Kerry > > > 1. > <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Black> > Black '47 and Beyond > 2. > <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Great> > The Great Calamity > 3. > <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Flight> > Flight From Famine > 4. > <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Workhou > ses> Workhouses of Ireland > 5. > <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Evictio > ns> Evictions in Dingle > > > > Ray Marshall > In Minneapolis with a slight sunburn today. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marysimpson > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:14 AM > To: [email protected]; Rootsweb Cork > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney > WorkHouse Guardian Minutes > > > I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation > so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that > I would like to see if anyone else has views about. > > 1. Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's > Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? > There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps - > and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the > ones you are interested in. But it's still an invaluable resource. > > 2. I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse > Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month - and > attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness > - but something niggled me. During this period our Kerry families > continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every > year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived. They > leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about > twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on > poorer land. And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in > the early 1860s. Does this mean that they were just lucky? The Minute > Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were > some places particularly hard hit? Our family were from Glenflesk, > Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. > > Mary > > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the > Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a > wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info > is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the > Irish genealogy community. 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This list is so fabulous. In just a few minutes, we have come up with a heretofor almost uniknown important genealogical resource. We have to talk more to demographers. That link is so great we should petition to have a weeklong national holiday declared so that we can all stay home for a week to do some searching through the book Now we need someone to spend a bit of time to see if we can come up with quick ways of searching/browsing in this database. Going page by page would be tedious. I don't have time right now do research that. Thank you, William and Rod and John! I am really surprised that the big guns of Irish genealogy, the guys who write all the books, haven't mentioned this resource. It is us grunts in the trenches who are promulgating it. Thanks, grunts!!! For those of you who know in what townland your ancestors lived, these figures will be very important in letting you know how they might have survived the Great Famine. And of course the rest of the tumult of the 19th century. The Great Wind, agrarian outrages, climate change, the Land Wars, etc. Ray In a very upbeat mood in Minneapolis, where it is still hot, but not so humid so easy to sleep. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of William Romanski Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 1:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Census Figures Ireland In regards to the published census figures going back to 1841, you can find the digitized reports for England, Scotland and Ireland here: http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/Show?page=Home Use the search tab and enter townland, parish, barony, etc and year and you should get results. Since the books were digitized and indexed digitally (ie not be humans) some words might not have been recoginzed by the computer. So you will have to gte creative in your searches to get the figures for your parish/townland for each year. William D Romanski _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is about as far back that i have been able to get, and was wondering if someone would be willing to look up more information on my Murphy ancestor's for me, i'm also not sure if  the parent's names of my ancestor William James Murphy are correct, could i please also have Catherine's maiden name looked up. Father William Murphy Mother Margaret ? (B) Abt. 1813 Children James Murphy (possible full name was William James) (B) June 03, 1831 in Kerry Ireland + Catherine ? Children Mary Ann Murphy

I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that I would like to see if anyone else has views about. 1. Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps - and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the ones you are interested in. But it's still an invaluable resource. 2. I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month - and attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness - but something niggled me. During this period our Kerry families continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived. They leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on poorer land. And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in the early 1860s. Does this mean that they were just lucky? The Minute Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were some places particularly hard hit? Our family were from Glenflesk, Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. Mary

Mary I'd have to do some research to answer your first question. First, I'd need to know exactly what you are looking at. Your second question is much easier. Frankly, those who leased (very few Irish farmers owned their property and they paid outrageous lease payments) 20 acres or more of land were fairly prosperous and didn't suffer nearly as much as the "cotters", those who perhaps had only 1 acre of land. When the crops failed on these "gardens", it was a disaster for the cotters. A long time ago, I found a fabulous tidbit of Irish history that has some Irish population figures for 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, etc. through 1911. We have all been led to believe that the census returns for those years were destroyed,. That is correct, but at least in the snippet that I found, and sadly I neglected to record where I found it, this might have been as long as 12 or more years ago, where the gross census figures were transcribed by somebody. The Castleisland civil parish townlands of Ahane, Ahneboy, Ballyduff, Beheenagh, Broughane, Feaufvatia, Gortroe, Knockachur, Knockariddera and Knockbrack were listed. In brief, the following townlands had dramatic decreases of population (due to deaths or emigratiion, it can't be determined; probably a combination of both) between 1841 and 1851: Ballyduff, 331 to 113 Beheenagh, 282 to 184 Gortroe 107 to 70 Knockariddera, 24 to 7 As opposed to Knockbrack where the population decreased just slightly from 334 to 320. Of course, over those ten years, the population would have been expected to increase considerably (if there was room) over a ten year period. If anybody wants a copy of all of the figures, I would be happyto send them in a spreadsheet file. On the Kerry web page there are some articles on the famine in Kerry 1. <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Black> Black '47 and Beyond 2. <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Great> The Great Calamity 3. <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Flight> Flight From Famine 4. <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Workhou ses> Workhouses of Ireland 5. <outbind://396-00000000BA00F91FD867934CB32104D6FD2B5C3944FB8A00/#Evictio ns> Evictions in Dingle Ray Marshall In Minneapolis with a slight sunburn today. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marysimpson Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:14 AM To: [email protected]; Rootsweb Cork Subject: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that I would like to see if anyone else has views about. 1. Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps - and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the ones you are interested in. But it's still an invaluable resource. 2. I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month - and attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness - but something niggled me. During this period our Kerry families continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived. They leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on poorer land. And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in the early 1860s. Does this mean that they were just lucky? The Minute Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were some places particularly hard hit? Our family were from Glenflesk, Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. Mary _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. 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