Just looked at that Ancestry site and scrolled through a number of ships One Ship "Roscuis" has 444 people all from Ireland 1850 at time of Famine Trish in OZ

Pete, Congratulations on both your parents reaching their 100th birthday! That is really a milestone. Most of us know of one parent reaching 100 years, if that, but never both parents. You have been truly blessed and from a selfish point of view I will interpret this as meaning that we on the Kerry List can count on your unique expertise on where everything is in Ireland for many more years. Best wishes, Jim B. (James Dineen Burden)

Trish asks: === Does any one know what has happened to Pete our expert on Irish maps === Trish, I'm here, but I haven't seen many queries to which I felt qualified - or which remained - to answer. Many reasons, I suppose, for that. The traffic on the lists has been very light. The few questions regarding geography have often been answered by others using Google maps, etc. before I am able to reply (I'm on the digest form of all of my lists, so others often respond before I even see the original request). That's fine - I don't feel "slighted" by that.....and it gives me time for other things [gr]. Google maps don't really work well with my slow dial-up connection in any case, and I've never felt a need for them. I still get a number of off-list inquiries to keep life interesting. The "interesting life" has kept me occupied (and pre-occupied) all summer. Once Dad hit his 100th birthday on July 7th (the rest of the family converged on the Buffalo - western NY state - area where my parents live, for the event), he seemed to have reached a realization that life is finite, after all. Within days, he had a protracted series of TIAs (transient ischemic attacks) and had more "bad days" than good ones. Mom looked after him as well as she could, and I stayed with them for several weeks during this period. My daughter could see continuing problems with their situation and offered to have them come live with her (just a few miles from me, here, in western Mass.). They agreed. Dad felt uncomfortable driving at his age and, living alone together at home, they were frequently on the road for shopping, visiting friends, etc. My parents realized that their life would be much simpler and relaxed if they moved-in to my daughter's house (I don't have any room in my house). My daughter started preparing an unused ground-floor room for them to stay, and I remained in Buffalo with them while the room was evolving. After a couple of weeks, it was time. My daughter made the 700-mile round-trip from her home and returned there with my parents along. I remained in Buffalo while movers loaded all of the major furniture to take to my daughter's house. I have been driving back-and-forth frequently (one trip with a large box truck), to move other belongings. All in all, my daughter and grandson and myself have moved essentially everything from the house other than the furniture moved by the professionals. It is piled-up in two bays of my daughter's garage and everywhere throughout my house. It will take months to get it organized. My parents had lived in that house for 75 of their 78 years of marriage.......so they had accumulated quite a few things [gr]. Now, we are trying to prepare the house for sale. Not an easy job - at such a distance. Yesterday, we celebrated Mom's 100th birthday. Nothing fancy. Mom and Dad are just "taking it easy", as centenarians are entitled to do. Pete .................................................... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts </HTML>

Trish Most certainly some large library in OZ must have the many volumes of Lloyds Register, the definitive record of all ships put out by the insurance companies. That's so if a shipowner purchased a damage insurance policy in London but his ship was wrecked in Tasmania, the insurance companies there would have the record of what the "Mary Jeanne" looked like when the policy was purchased. Like with all things in contracts, the purpose was to prevent fraud. But from the genealogists' point of view Lloyd's Register gives details of size, construction, capacity, when and where built, improvements/changes made since original construction, etc. My relatives sailed across from Europe to New York in 1872 in a sailing vessel with 350 passengers in 1872. 444 might not have been all that big. You could cram a lot of passengers into steerage in those days. Ray -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Trish Jensen Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Shipping in to USA Just looked at that Ancestry site and scrolled through a number of ships One Ship "Roscuis" has 444 people all from Ireland 1850 at time of Famine Trish in OZ

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Ann Is this the site you mean? www.irishgenealogy.ie - all the Kerry parish church records are online there for free. Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Lincoln" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 10:33 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] need help Have misplaced web site for those great Irish records where I found births marriages of great grandmother's siblings around Annascaul, Kerry. Mary Doyle, Michael Donnelly, parents. Entire family records show great grandmother as "Eliza". Have found her name may have been Elizabeth from info noticed on her daughter's 1912 marriage application. NOW we may know why there are so many Elizabeths in family records. After all these years, this hobby is still fun ! Ann _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1193 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Don't forget the Kerry List Web Page for research: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Ray Who bought some sparkplugs and a wiring set today and who thinks he is going to become a mechanic, in Minneapolis. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Clare Tuohy Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:02 PM To: Ann Lincoln; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] need help Ann Is this the site you mean? www.irishgenealogy.ie - all the Kerry parish church records are online there for free. Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Lincoln" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 10:33 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] need help Have misplaced web site for those great Irish records where I found births marriages of great grandmother's siblings around Annascaul, Kerry. Mary Doyle, Michael Donnelly, parents. Entire family records show great grandmother as "Eliza". Have found her name may have been Elizabeth from info noticed on her daughter's 1912 marriage application. NOW we may know why there are so many Elizabeths in family records. After all these years, this hobby is still fun ! Ann _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1193 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have misplaced web site for those great Irish records where I found births  marriages of great grandmother's siblings around Annascaul, Kerry.  Mary Doyle,  Michael Donnelly, parents. Entire family records show great grandmother as "Eliza".  Have found her name may have been Elizabeth from info noticed on her daughter's 1912 marriage application.  NOW we may know why there are so many Elizabeths in family records.  After all these years, this hobby is still fun ! Ann

Kay, Do you think it was called DONLOE Mills -- as in the castle in Beaufort? http://www.beaufort-parish.com/asp/section.asp?s=322 One of the first millers was John Reidy, a very polite well ? read who lived at the mill. He was assisted by his brother ? in ? law, Batt Coffey who was commonly known as "Batteen The Miller", and lived in Dunloe. When John Reidy died his nephew, William Williams of Tralee took over and he kept the mill going all through the Second World War. The mill worked night and day and Williams and his sons were kept very busy as every daylong, line of carts laden with wheat or barley could be seen approaching the mill. Here is John Reidy in 1911, Dunloe, a flour miller, no children to the marriage: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002538819/ Reidy John 53 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Kerry Flour Miller Read and write Irish and English Married - - - - Reidy Nora 50 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Kerry - Read and write Irish and English Married - 26 - - Williams Ellen 26 Female Niece Roman Catholic Co Kerry Domestic Servant Read and write - Single - - - - Williams Maurice 20 Male Nephew Roman Catholic Co Kerry Flour Miller Read and write - Single - - - - And again in 1901: Reidy John 42 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Kerry Miller Read and write Irish and English Married - Reidy Nora 40 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Kerry - Read and write Irish and English Married

I'm wondering if there is anyone that can give me some background on Dungloe Mill in Beaufort Co. Kerry. John and Nora Reidy were the owners in 1911 and they left the mill to John's nephew, Maurice Williams. What I'd like to know is where did John & Nora Reidy come from? and how did they become owners of Dungloe Mill? Kay

Hello Listers, Just found a marriage record for John and Cathrine O'Connor on Family Search Pilot and wondering if anyone knows this family. Grooms name John O'Connor Grooms's birthdate 1842 Grooms birthplace Groom's age 23 Brides Name Catherine O'Connor Bride's birth date 1841 Bride's birthdate Bride's age 24 Marriage Date 14 Feb 1865 Marriage Place Ballylongord, Listowel, Kerry, Ireland Groom's father's name John O'Connor Grooms mother's name Bride's father's name Ambrose O'Connor Indexing project # M70233-5 System origin Ireland EASy Source Film Number 101474 Reference Number P-651 No. 50 Looking for Ambrose O'Connor, I found on irishgenealogy.ie an Ambrose Connor married to Alice Enright of Ballylongford 1 May 1846 assumed. This was after Catherine was born, but in the right time frame and place in Kerry. I do have a list of surnames of Irish cousins which included Enright, Macnamee, and Hanrahans, but no first names. John and Catherine immigrated to Nashville, TN in 1872 with thier child, Mary Josephine b. 1865 in Ballylongford. Mary is my grandmother. So if anyone has an Ambrose O'Connor from Ballylongford, I would appreciate hearing from you. Family lore is that the John O'Connor family was originally from Cork and moved to Ballylongford. Thanks for all the help from this list. The help has certainly shortened my search and I am learning so much. Shirley

Hi Jackie, are you talking about the medical terminology site? There are no records to look up there. After re-reading my message, I realize it might sound like there were actual records of deaths on the site. I just meant that the medical terms showed some digitized examples of what a person died of. The only thing one can look up on the site is the description of medical terms. Sorry to confuse you. ~Patsy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Sullivan" <[email protected]> To: "PatsiGen" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Archaic Medical Terminology Thanks for info I have two deaths I want to look up. 1922. 1911? not sure of this date will have to look it up. I went on one site but it only went to 1920. Any suggestion how to get copies? What will it state? Had two of my children and grandchildre here from Ca and papers but aside. Have to look them up. Thanks for your help. Jackie Sullivan ----- Original Message ---- From: PatsiGen <[email protected]> To: NE Irish list <[email protected]>; Kerry List <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 9:53:54 AM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Archaic Medical Terminology Hi Listers! In looking up some death records for my ancestors, I came across a website with descriptions of archaic medical terms. I found the descriptions I needed and it even has some samples of actual records, along with the description. The site is called: Rudy's List of Archaic Medical Terms The tiny url is, http://tiny.cc/ltgay If that doesn't work, here is the whole link, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cSQmF2XBiRMJ:www.antiquusmorbus.com/English/EnglishP.htm+phthisis+pulmonalis&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us ~Patsy _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers! In looking up some death records for my ancestors, I came across a website with descriptions of archaic medical terms. I found the descriptions I needed and it even has some samples of actual records, along with the description. The site is called: Rudy's List of Archaic Medical Terms The tiny url is, http://tiny.cc/ltgay If that doesn't work, here is the whole link, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cSQmF2XBiRMJ:www.antiquusmorbus.com/English/EnglishP.htm+phthisis+pulmonalis&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us ~Patsy

Hi there There is a family of Connells still living in Gurteen, Cahirciveen. One of the Connells (John RIP) had a house in the East End Cahirciveen, it burned down when he was a young man and his young bride lost her life in it. He never remarried. His brother Paddy Connell lives at Gurteen, and has a family, this too has a tragic history, in 1981 he lost a son, who was married and had one child, the son Pat Jo, a lovely lad, and very popular was only 28 years old. Another son and his wife both died while on holiday in Spain about three years ago, a drunken driver mowed them down on their way home from a night out. Sorry that it is a tragic history, however it might help you with regards looking up the local Kerry papers. I think that it was July or August 1981 that Pat Jo died, he lived back Portmagee way at the time. It was also in the late summer that John Connell and his wife died in Spain, c.2005? if my memory serves me correctly. I can email my friend in Cahirciveen for the exact date if it is of interest to you. I reman yours Patrick O'Sullivan (formerly Cahirciveen, Co. Kerry) Kettering Northamptonshire England From: [email protected] Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 241 To: [email protected] Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 01:00:02 -0600 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:50:25 +0100 Subject: [IRL-KERRY] sugrue, connell,sullivan Hello Eileen I am also researching Sugrue whom I know married Connells from my family but have not found the exact link yet. Do you know who Micheal Sullivans parents were? My Connells are from Fermoyle, Gurteen,eastend ,caherciveen My nanny always said that 3 Sugrue girls married O Connells and emigrated to the US. I am related to Johanna (Sullivan) Shugrue, died at 98 Chapman, Willimantic, Feb 8, 1895 Age: 88 yrs Widow Born: Ireland Cause: old age and asthma Parents: John and Julia Sullivan, both born in Ireland The following website has alot of info on Sugrue,Connells, Brennans, Fogarty,McCarthy ,Neill,Sullivan,Moriarty,English, Carey,Casey ,Curran,King some of which emigrated from Caherciveen, Ballinskelligs area. http://www.angelfire.com/ct3/windhamvitals/ The website also has Ellen (Sugrue) Teehan, died Chapman St. Willimantic, March 14, 1903 Age: 45 yrs Married Born: Willimantic Housewife Cause: tuberculosis Parents: Timothy Sugrue and Margaret Donahue, both born in Ireland more info about teehan Rosaleen,Dublin researching O,Connell,O'Shea,McCrohan,Sullivan, Daily/Dawley,Walsh, Shea ,Murphy,Sugrue,Lynch,Kelly,Faye, Daniel Sullivan ,Portmagee, dogmount ,doora married Hanora Connell children so far Hanora Sullivan married Eugene (Owen) Sullivan,knockeenawadra married 1890s Helena Sullivan married Patrick Sullivan married 1900s Reencaheragh Researching relations who emigrated @1850-1900 from Caherciveen,Fermoyle,parish prior,outside Caherciveen,Cty Kerry Portmagee, parish killemlagh,Cty Ky reehcaheragh,knockeenawadra, doora many emigrated to Willimantic,Putnam,Windham Cty,CT,USA =Connell,Pflaumer,Ernestus,Sullivan Norwich,Colchester,Mystic,New London,CT=O'Connell,Burdick,Baral,Pero,Thompson,Sullivan 1930s Norwich,Colchester,Mystic,New London,CT=O'Connell,McCarthy,Dillon,McGovern,Sullivan,Walsh East Hampton,Portland,Moodus,Middlesex,CT Hartman 1940s=Wethersfield Hartford Co CT. James D O Connell m Anna Kriese, 1900s New York John M O COnnell married Margaret Teehan, East Hampton ,CT John Moriarty,New York, c1920s O'Connell,Lowe from Whitesone,Long Island, Ellen T O Connell m McGuire Andrew,Flushing,Long Island Cahalanes & Connells,O'Neills,Fitzgeralds from parish kilcrohane, Sneem, Tooreens,Dirreenavourig,Cty Kerry Any relations please email me Rosaleen,Dublin 4. SUGRUE - Re: regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes ([email protected])Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:30:45 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-KERRY] SUGRUE - Re: regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hello Jenny, I don't know if there is a connection, but my g-g-grandmother was Mary SUGRUE from Glaantane, County Kerry m. 25 Feb 1854 Prior Parish to Michael SULLIVAN of Dungegan, County Kerry. [Glaantane is aka Glantane, near the town of Ballynane on the Dingle Peninsula.] This Mary SUGRUE would probably have been the right age to be sister of your Timothy SUGRUE [husband of Margaret TEAHAN]. The marriage, from Prior Parish Marriage Register: 25 Feb 1854 Michael Sullivan & Mary Sughrue; [bride] from townland: Glaantane [aka Glantane, I think]; witnesses: Daniel Moran & Bartholomew SHEA; clergy Rev. Patrick Foley [soruce: http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/] Michael SULLIVAN d. 18 Jun 1883 Dungegan, County Kerry. Listed as age 63; widower; occupation: Lot Holder; surviving relative: Thomas Neil, nephew. Source: information extrated from death record. [Based on this record, Mary d. bef 18 Jun 1883]. Do you think there may be a connection here? Thanks in advance for your thoughts! Eileen --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: [email protected] CC: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:58:11 +1000 Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] SUGRUE Hello Eileen, Apologies for delay - have been down in Melbourne for a couple of days. I can positively pinpoint my Great Great grandparents Timothy SUGRUE and Margaret TEAHAN to be living in the townland of Dromavalla (DED Ballyseedy, Parish of Ballymacelligott) from about 1850 however I can not as yet ascertain if Timothy was from Dromavalla or moved there from another area. So I am unable to say at this stage if there is a connection between my Timothy SUGRUE and your Mary SUGRUE from Glaantane. Will keep your thought in mind in my search! Regards Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:30 AM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] SUGRUE - Re: regarding Griffith's lists maps andKillarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes Hello Jenny, I don't know if there is a connection, but my g-g-grandmother was Mary SUGRUE from Glaantane, County Kerry m. 25 Feb 1854 Prior Parish to Michael SULLIVAN of Dungegan, County Kerry. [Glaantane is aka Glantane, near the town of Ballynane on the Dingle Peninsula.] This Mary SUGRUE would probably have been the right age to be sister of your Timothy SUGRUE [husband of Margaret TEAHAN]. The marriage, from Prior Parish Marriage Register: 25 Feb 1854 Michael Sullivan & Mary Sughrue; [bride] from townland: Glaantane [aka Glantane, I think]; witnesses: Daniel Moran & Bartholomew SHEA; clergy Rev. Patrick Foley [soruce: http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/] Michael SULLIVAN d. 18 Jun 1883 Dungegan, County Kerry. Listed as age 63; widower; occupation: Lot Holder; surviving relative: Thomas Neil, nephew. Source: information extrated from death record. [Based on this record, Mary d. bef 18 Jun 1883]. Do you think there may be a connection here? Thanks in advance for your thoughts! Eileen In a message dated 8/23/10, [email protected] writes: > Rod I was interested to see your comment - (perhaps because they may have > been in Ballymacelligott parish). > My SUGRUE and DUGGAN families who immigrated to New Zealand came from the > townland of Dromavalla in the Parish of Ballymacelligott (DED Ballyseedy). > Although I have been fortunate and found many records on the Kerry Parish > Records site that connect to my line, there are others that I have not > been > able to locate - my great grandfather Timothy SUGRUE c1852 and his brother > John c1850 - the sons of Timothy SUGRUE and Margaret TEAHAN. > I have been told this is possibly due to a fire about 1866 that destroyed > the Ballymacelligott church and all records held there. I think from > memory > the first records for Ballymacelligott on the Kerry Parish Records site > start about 1868 - there is nothing for Ballymacelligott prior to 1868. > Do you have any knowledge as to this possible fire or why Ballymacelligott > records commence in 1868? > I have also read where Ballymacelligott was or is the largest Parish in > Kerry? > Regards > Jenny > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> > To: "'marysimpson'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; > "'Rootsweb Cork'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:32 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney > WorkHouse Guardian Minutes > > > >I have set myself the task of relating the famine in local terms for my > > family and our society and started the research during a recent visit to > > Killarney. It is very early days but here's some random stuff in > relation > > to your areas of interest > > > > Killaha, Killarney and Killorglin lost 33% of the potato crop in 1846 vs > > 66% > > in Aghadoe and others. By 1847 the first two were still not as badly > hit > > but Killorglin was suffering in terms of gratuitous poor law relief. > > > > In relation to Kerry emigration between 1841-51, 16.6% left Magunihy > > barony > > which is not half as bad as some others who lost 25 to 36% (two were > > however > > as low as 4.5-5.6%. > > > > The project will need a few more trips to Kerry and a lot of writing > time. > > > > In my own case I have been unable to find the birth and marriage records > > of > > this period for my family (perhaps because they may have been in > > Ballymacelligott parish). > > > > Was Donough's feedback helpful? > > > > Cheers > > > > Rod > > > > Rod O'Donoghue > > Author of 'O'Donoghue People and Places' > > Founder of The O'Donoghue Society > > www.odonoghue.co.uk > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of marysimpson > > Sent: 23 August 2010 10:13 > > To: [email protected]; Rootsweb Cork > > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney Work > > House Guardian Minutes > > > > I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation > > so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that > > I would like to see if anyone else has views about. > > > > 1. Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's > > Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? > > There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps - > > and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the > > ones you are interested in. But it's still an invaluable resource. > > > > 2. I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse > > Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month - and > > attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness > > - but something niggled me. During this period our Kerry families > > continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every > > year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived. They > > leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about > > twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on > > poorer land. And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in > > the early 1860s. Does this mean that they were just lucky? The Minute > > Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were > > some places particularly hard hit? Our family were from Glenflesk, > > Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. > > > > Mary _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. 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Ray and everybody. I was checking the Quinnipiac site that you gave and noticed that they haven't uploaded the Parliamentary files as yet. There was a website that gave all the digitised Parliamentary Papers relating to Ireland hosted by the University of Southampton -I think - called EPPI but they have taken that down and some of the Parliamentary papers are now available on the Southampton library site at http://www.soton.ac.uk/library/ I found it difficult to get through to the section where the Parl. Papers were but thanks to Mary Heaphy on the Tipperary list I can now manage it. Am posting the instructions she gave me as I found the whole business rather complex and so might other people. Mary wrote- On the right hand side of the opening page, click on WebCat. Then click on "Switch to Advanced Searches". In the word or phrase box type in Eppi and click on Search Catalogue. It will bring up all the Eppi Files that they have uploaded. Click on details for the first one which is Systematic reviews etc. From there on click on next which is on the top of the page just under My Account. The ones that you can search in have Electronic Access on them. You can also use a keyword, just "Switch to Advanced Searches". again and put in your keyword, then come down to Material Type and click on British Official Publications. A lot of the stuff is not available yet. Make sure you use the next box to go through each file otherwise you will have to fill in all the boxes again. End I found using the keyword search a bit tricky as I really wanted to browse and see what they had uploaded but have just realised that the Quiinipiac site has an inventory of most of the papers so I can now use this to pick out what I would like to see. Sorry if this is seems to be a very convoluted message and hope it is intelligible. Regards Clare -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1188 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hello Eileen, Apologies for delay - have been down in Melbourne for a couple of days. I can positively pinpoint my Great Great grandparents Timothy SUGRUE and Margaret TEAHAN to be living in the townland of Dromavalla (DED Ballyseedy, Parish of Ballymacelligott) from about 1850 however I can not as yet ascertain if Timothy was from Dromavalla or moved there from another area. So I am unable to say at this stage if there is a connection between my Timothy SUGRUE and your Mary SUGRUE from Glaantane. Will keep your thought in mind in my search! Regards Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:30 AM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] SUGRUE - Re: regarding Griffith's lists maps andKillarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes Hello Jenny, I don't know if there is a connection, but my g-g-grandmother was Mary SUGRUE from Glaantane, County Kerry m. 25 Feb 1854 Prior Parish to Michael SULLIVAN of Dungegan, County Kerry. [Glaantane is aka Glantane, near the town of Ballynane on the Dingle Peninsula.] This Mary SUGRUE would probably have been the right age to be sister of your Timothy SUGRUE [husband of Margaret TEAHAN]. The marriage, from Prior Parish Marriage Register: 25 Feb 1854 Michael Sullivan & Mary Sughrue; [bride] from townland: Glaantane [aka Glantane, I think]; witnesses: Daniel Moran & Bartholomew SHEA; clergy Rev. Patrick Foley [soruce: http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/] Michael SULLIVAN d. 18 Jun 1883 Dungegan, County Kerry. Listed as age 63; widower; occupation: Lot Holder; surviving relative: Thomas Neil, nephew. Source: information extrated from death record. [Based on this record, Mary d. bef 18 Jun 1883]. Do you think there may be a connection here? Thanks in advance for your thoughts! Eileen In a message dated 8/23/10, [email protected] writes: > Rod I was interested to see your comment - (perhaps because they may have > been in Ballymacelligott parish). > My SUGRUE and DUGGAN families who immigrated to New Zealand came from the > townland of Dromavalla in the Parish of Ballymacelligott (DED Ballyseedy). > Although I have been fortunate and found many records on the Kerry Parish > Records site that connect to my line, there are others that I have not > been > able to locate - my great grandfather Timothy SUGRUE c1852 and his brother > John c1850 - the sons of Timothy SUGRUE and Margaret TEAHAN. > I have been told this is possibly due to a fire about 1866 that destroyed > the Ballymacelligott church and all records held there. I think from > memory > the first records for Ballymacelligott on the Kerry Parish Records site > start about 1868 - there is nothing for Ballymacelligott prior to 1868. > Do you have any knowledge as to this possible fire or why Ballymacelligott > records commence in 1868? > I have also read where Ballymacelligott was or is the largest Parish in > Kerry? > Regards > Jenny > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> > To: "'marysimpson'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; > "'Rootsweb Cork'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:32 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney > WorkHouse Guardian Minutes > > > >I have set myself the task of relating the famine in local terms for my > > family and our society and started the research during a recent visit to > > Killarney. It is very early days but here's some random stuff in > relation > > to your areas of interest > > > > Killaha, Killarney and Killorglin lost 33% of the potato crop in 1846 vs > > 66% > > in Aghadoe and others. By 1847 the first two were still not as badly > hit > > but Killorglin was suffering in terms of gratuitous poor law relief. > > > > In relation to Kerry emigration between 1841-51, 16.6% left Magunihy > > barony > > which is not half as bad as some others who lost 25 to 36% (two were > > however > > as low as 4.5-5.6%. > > > > The project will need a few more trips to Kerry and a lot of writing > time. > > > > In my own case I have been unable to find the birth and marriage records > > of > > this period for my family (perhaps because they may have been in > > Ballymacelligott parish). > > > > Was Donough's feedback helpful? > > > > Cheers > > > > Rod > > > > Rod O'Donoghue > > Author of 'O'Donoghue People and Places' > > Founder of The O'Donoghue Society > > www.odonoghue.co.uk > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of marysimpson > > Sent: 23 August 2010 10:13 > > To: [email protected]; Rootsweb Cork > > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney Work > > House Guardian Minutes > > > > I know that every sane body on the lists is off on holiday / vacation > > so I might post this again later but there are a couple of things that > > I would like to see if anyone else has views about. > > > > 1. Has anyone else noticed that on the askaboutireland Griffith's > > Valuation website, the printed maps and the lists don't correlate? > > There are often more people and plots listed than appear on the maps - > > and it's usually the ones that don't show on the maps that are the > > ones you are interested in. But it's still an invaluable resource. > > > > 2. I have been reading with great interest the Killarney Workhouse > > Minute Books that Ray kindly told us about this month - and > > attempting to do so with some degree of dispassion and even handedness > > - but something niggled me. During this period our Kerry families > > continued to farm, have children every couple of years or even every > > year, and, as far as I know, they seemed to have all survived. They > > leased farms of different sizes, some larger than others - from about > > twenty acres to one hundred and twenty, but the larger farms were on > > poorer land. And a lot of them left Kerry for England and Australia in > > the early 1860s. Does this mean that they were just lucky? The Minute > > Books report that the potato crop had failed in every parish, so were > > some places particularly hard hit? Our family were from Glenflesk, > > Killarney, and Castlemaine / Milltown. > > > > Mary _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. 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Hello Eileen I am also researching Sugrue whom I know married Connells from my family but have not found the exact link yet. Do you know who Micheal Sullivans parents were? My Connells are from Fermoyle, Gurteen,eastend ,caherciveen My nanny always said that 3 Sugrue girls married O Connells and emigrated to the US. I am related to Johanna (Sullivan) Shugrue, died at 98 Chapman, Willimantic, Feb 8, 1895 Age: 88 yrs Widow Born: Ireland Cause: old age and asthma Parents: John and Julia Sullivan, both born in Ireland The following website has alot of info on Sugrue,Connells, Brennans, Fogarty,McCarthy ,Neill,Sullivan,Moriarty,English, Carey,Casey ,Curran,King some of which emigrated from Caherciveen, Ballinskelligs area. http://www.angelfire.com/ct3/windhamvitals/ The website also has Ellen (Sugrue) Teehan, died Chapman St. Willimantic, March 14, 1903 Age: 45 yrs Married Born: Willimantic Housewife Cause: tuberculosis Parents: Timothy Sugrue and Margaret Donahue, both born in Ireland more info about teehan Rosaleen,Dublin researching O,Connell,O'Shea,McCrohan,Sullivan, Daily/Dawley,Walsh, Shea ,Murphy,Sugrue,Lynch,Kelly,Faye, Daniel Sullivan ,Portmagee, dogmount ,doora married Hanora Connell children so far Hanora Sullivan married Eugene (Owen) Sullivan,knockeenawadra married 1890s Helena Sullivan married Patrick Sullivan married 1900s Reencaheragh Researching relations who emigrated @1850-1900 from Caherciveen,Fermoyle,parish prior,outside Caherciveen,Cty Kerry Portmagee, parish killemlagh,Cty Ky reehcaheragh,knockeenawadra, doora many emigrated to Willimantic,Putnam,Windham Cty,CT,USA =Connell,Pflaumer,Ernestus,Sullivan Norwich,Colchester,Mystic,New London,CT=O'Connell,Burdick,Baral,Pero,Thompson,Sullivan 1930s Norwich,Colchester,Mystic,New London,CT=O'Connell,McCarthy,Dillon,McGovern,Sullivan,Walsh East Hampton,Portland,Moodus,Middlesex,CT Hartman 1940s=Wethersfield Hartford Co CT. James D O Connell m Anna Kriese, 1900s New York John M O COnnell married Margaret Teehan, East Hampton ,CT John Moriarty,New York, c1920s O'Connell,Lowe from Whitesone,Long Island, Ellen T O Connell m McGuire Andrew,Flushing,Long Island Cahalanes & Connells,O'Neills,Fitzgeralds from parish kilcrohane, Sneem, Tooreens,Dirreenavourig,Cty Kerry Any relations please email me Rosaleen,Dublin 4. SUGRUE - Re: regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes ([email protected])Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:30:45 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-KERRY] SUGRUE - Re: regarding Griffith's lists maps and Killarney WorkHouse Guardian Minutes Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hello Jenny, I don't know if there is a connection, but my g-g-grandmother was Mary SUGRUE from Glaantane, County Kerry m. 25 Feb 1854 Prior Parish to Michael SULLIVAN of Dungegan, County Kerry. [Glaantane is aka Glantane, near the town of Ballynane on the Dingle Peninsula.] This Mary SUGRUE would probably have been the right age to be sister of your Timothy SUGRUE [husband of Margaret TEAHAN]. The marriage, from Prior Parish Marriage Register: 25 Feb 1854 Michael Sullivan & Mary Sughrue; [bride] from townland: Glaantane [aka Glantane, I think]; witnesses: Daniel Moran & Bartholomew SHEA; clergy Rev. Patrick Foley [soruce: http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/] Michael SULLIVAN d. 18 Jun 1883 Dungegan, County Kerry. Listed as age 63; widower; occupation: Lot Holder; surviving relative: Thomas Neil, nephew. Source: information extrated from death record. [Based on this record, Mary d. bef 18 Jun 1883]. Do you think there may be a connection here? Thanks in advance for your thoughts! Eileen

Thank you so much, Bridget. I expect there is some connection between these families, but I will have to "dig" into it. I'll read on and let you know. And I so appreciate a chance to see a photo! Meg Oregon

Cynthia Griffiths Valuation has the owners and lessees of land and land descriptions (it might have been a mountain) by townland. You should get your answers there. Ray Marshall Inside today on a coolish (imminence of Fall?) day in Minneapolis Quoting [email protected]: > Is there someone who has expertise in reading these tables able to > enlighten me on following questions? > 1. My MULQUINN family lived in Dromgower (townland?), Ballyheige (parish), > Clanmaurice. In reviewing the 1841 Irish Census tables I find that the > Ballyheige parish, rural, consisted of 11,222 statute acres. Dromgower > consisted of 5 statute acres. The number of families in Dromgower > was 25 and > total number of people 153. Am I to understand that 153 people lived on 5 > statute acres of land? Or would they have had access to the 11,222 acres? > Possibly they worked a landowner's land beyond the 5 acres. > 2. Although I have googled statute acres I am unclear what that means. I > did find Irish acres = 1.6 acres our reckoning. > 3. Any way of finding out who owned the land in Clanmaurice? I know the > Crosbie family owned land in the Ardfert area. > Thanks to any expert who knows the answers to above. Best, Cynthia in > California > _______________ > ---------------

Is there someone who has expertise in reading these tables able to enlighten me on following questions? 1. My MULQUINN family lived in Dromgower (townland?), Ballyheige (parish), Clanmaurice. In reviewing the 1841 Irish Census tables I find that the Ballyheige parish, rural, consisted of 11,222 statute acres. Dromgower consisted of 5 statute acres. The number of families in Dromgower was 25 and total number of people 153. Am I to understand that 153 people lived on 5 statute acres of land? Or would they have had access to the 11,222 acres? Possibly they worked a landowner's land beyond the 5 acres. 2. Although I have googled statute acres I am unclear what that means. I did find Irish acres = 1.6 acres our reckoning. 3. Any way of finding out who owned the land in Clanmaurice? I know the Crosbie family owned land in the Ardfert area. Thanks to any expert who knows the answers to above. Best, Cynthia in California