It is my understanding that the Ministers, Parish Priests etc, would travel to the smaller Canadian communities to do the Baptisms. Therefore, many Baptism records would be recorded at one time - each month. They may not have know the actual birth date. Liz in sunny Space Coast Florida In a message dated 9/16/2010 4:09:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Nancy: Your answers so far may be right, however the church records I received, not only in Ireland, but later in Canada, are baptisimal dates. Sometimes the birth date is also noted with the baptisimal date, in the church register, but not always. Baptisms could occur a couple of days to a month after the birth. One situation I have in Canada is the first four children being baptized on the same date in 1859 with estimated ages being from five to a few months. Andy in Kitchener, Canada _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nancy: Your answers so far may be right, however the church records I received, not only in Ireland, but later in Canada, are baptisimal dates. Sometimes the birth date is also noted with the baptisimal date, in the church register, but not always. Baptisms could occur a couple of days to a month after the birth. One situation I have in Canada is the first four children being baptized on the same date in 1859 with estimated ages being from five to a few months. Andy in Kitchener, Canada

Hello, I am new to this list and have a question. My grandfather and his eight siblings were all born in County Kerry near Tralee. Several years ago I acquired the Civil Registration records for all their births. I recently found the site where the Catholic Church records are online. I found all these people, but the dates of their births are not the same as on the civil records. Some are different as a few days, some are a couple of weeks. Does anyone know why there is such a discrepancy in birth dates? It seems to me that the church records are probably the correct dates as the baptisms usually occurred within a few days of the birth. Nancy Sheehan Schroeder

Nancy,   The Irish civil registration system assessed penalties for late registration.  Sometimes there were extenuating circumstances as to why parents waited. To avoid a fine some parents would claim a birth date later than the real one.    For many parents the religious duty and traditional nature of baptism took precedence over the "new" and British-mandated civil system, so relying on the baptismal date is probably safer.   In my family, my Kerry-born grandmother was listed on the civil records as being born two weeks past her baptismal date (in 1878). So you can see which I believe!      Paul Keroack   --- On Wed, 9/15/10, Nancy Schroeder <[email protected]> wrote: From: Nancy Schroeder <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Catholic Church Records vs. Civil Registration To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 4:24 PM   Hello, I am new to this list and have a question.  My grandfather and his eight siblings were all born in County Kerry near Tralee.  Several years ago I acquired the Civil Registration records for all their births.  I recently found the site where the Catholic Church records are online.  I found all these people, but the dates of their births are not the same as on the civil records.  Some are different as a few days, some are a couple of weeks.  Does anyone know why there is such a discrepancy in birth dates? It seems to me that the church records are probably the correct dates as the baptisms usually occurred within a few days of the birth. Nancy Sheehan Schroeder _______________ ---------------          Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html                                                To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff!  If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance.  Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know if the copper mines in Michigan are related to Kerry and Beara, but my thinking is that possible ancestors might be in this cemetery? And, if so, maybe the genealogical society he mentions, can help you with research. Kathleen~CT. _South Bend Tribune: Group buys old cemetery_ (http://about:blank) _http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100913/News01/100919705/_ (http://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100913/News01/100919705/)

Marge - You're right - thank you! :-) Regards, Patty Crowley w: [email protected] | h: [email protected] w: 732-524-6094 | c: 732-245-5525 On Sep 11, 2010, at 3:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Connor/O'Connor (kerrykuzzin @dslextreme.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:07:02 -0700 > From: "kerrykuzzin @dslextreme.com" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Connor/O'Connor > To: Patty Crowley <[email protected]> > Cc: Kerry RootsWeb <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Patty, > > I found another Mary, b. 24 August 1856. > > http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?name2=&name=HIggins&location=Kerry&dd=&mm=&yy=1856&submit=Search&sort=date&pageSize=50&type=B&diocese=&parish=&century=&decade= > > She was most likely their first child (she probably died before the > second Mary was born) and was baptized in Causeway, the home of the > mother. Women often went home to have their first child. This happened > with my family. Mary Kelly Golden's first child was baptized in > Causeway while the other children were baptized in Caherciveen. > > Let me know if you cannot open the link. I saved the image of the > record and can attach it an email directly to you but not the list. > > Sl?n, > Marge in Southern California > > Searching: > Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut > O'Connor in Kerry > Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut > Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut > Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan in Kildare > > On 9/7/10, Patty Crowley <[email protected]> wrote: >> My GG, William Higgins (b 19 Jun 1835) married a Bridget/Brigid Connor (b >> ~1830s-1840s) on 20 Feb 1855 in Causeway and Edmund Connor was their only >> witness. >> >> >> They settled in Doonamontane, Ballyheigue, Kerry, Ireland and had 8 children >> that I could find: >> >> * William Higgins (1859-1939) - Settled in Chicago >> >> * Mary Higgins Dineen (1860-?) - Settled in Chicago >> >> * Hanorah/Nora Higgins Donegan (1862-1946) - Settled in Chicago >> >> * Patrick Higgins (1867-?) - Unknown >> >> * Thomas Higgins (1868-?) - In Doonamontane in 1901 and 1911 Census with >> mother, Bridget/Brigid >> >> * Michael Patrick Higgins (1872-1946) - Settled in Chicago (my GG on my >> Dad's >> side) >> >> * Daniel Higgins (1879-?) - In Doonamontane in 1901 and 1911 Census with >> mother, Bridget/BrigidBridget/Brigid was in both the 1901 (as 60) and 1911 >> (as >> 75) Censuses. However, there were several Bridget/Brigid Connors who were >> baptised in Causeway in the 1830s/1840s. >> >> Regards, >> Patty Crowley >> [email protected] >> _______________ >> --------------- >> >> Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message. >> >> To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message. >> >> To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ >> >> Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish >> genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide >> audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -- > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 258 > *****************************************

Thanks to all who answered my query. I guess no one is related to my particular line. As far as the English connection goes tho, there still could be a connection. Family lore has it that the Talbot & Howard families both originated in England. Actually, I live in Wauwatosa which borders Brookfield. Thanks again, Larry Talbot in rainy Wisconsin PS......anybody know where Glanrahily is?  I assume somewhere around Tralee!

I looked through all of Sister Pascal's scribbles, but I'm sorry to say her Kelly line doesn't seem to intersect with yours....my gut is telling me there is a connection as I know my connection to Sister was also in Causeway + Lixnaw. I'll let you know if I find anything! Dawn ________________________________ From: "kerrykuzzin @dslextreme.com" <[email protected]> To: Kerry List <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 9:15:51 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Roll Call for those searching O'Connor/Connor Who out there is searching for Connor/O'Connors? I am looking for anyone connected to Catherine O'Connor who married John Kelly and lived in the RC parish of Causeway. Her daughter Mary Kelly who married John Golden about 1850 is my great grandmother. I would like to find Catherine's parents and siblings. -- Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan in Kildare _______________ ---------------        Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html                                                To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff!  If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance.  Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Patty, I found another Mary, b. 24 August 1856. http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?name2=&name=HIggins&location=Kerry&dd=&mm=&yy=1856&submit=Search&sort=date&pageSize=50&type=B&diocese=&parish=&century=&decade= She was most likely their first child (she probably died before the second Mary was born) and was baptized in Causeway, the home of the mother. Women often went home to have their first child. This happened with my family. Mary Kelly Golden's first child was baptized in Causeway while the other children were baptized in Caherciveen. Let me know if you cannot open the link. I saved the image of the record and can attach it an email directly to you but not the list. Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan in Kildare On 9/7/10, Patty Crowley <[email protected]> wrote: > My GG, William Higgins (b 19 Jun 1835) married a Bridget/Brigid Connor (b > ~1830s-1840s) on 20 Feb 1855 in Causeway and Edmund Connor was their only > witness. > > > They settled in Doonamontane, Ballyheigue, Kerry, Ireland and had 8 children > that I could find: > > * William Higgins (1859-1939) - Settled in Chicago > > * Mary Higgins Dineen (1860-?) - Settled in Chicago > > * Hanorah/Nora Higgins Donegan (1862-1946) - Settled in Chicago > > * Patrick Higgins (1867-?) - Unknown > > * Thomas Higgins (1868-?) - In Doonamontane in 1901 and 1911 Census with > mother, Bridget/Brigid > > * Michael Patrick Higgins (1872-1946) - Settled in Chicago (my GG on my > Dad's > side) > > * Daniel Higgins (1879-?) - In Doonamontane in 1901 and 1911 Census with > mother, Bridget/BrigidBridget/Brigid was in both the 1901 (as 60) and 1911 > (as > 75) Censuses. However, there were several Bridget/Brigid Connors who were > baptised in Causeway in the 1830s/1840s. > > Regards, > Patty Crowley > [email protected] > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish > genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide > audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --

Michael - thank you for this information. Are you talking about trains from Cork in to Tralee in 1859? Was there a direct line between Cork and Tralee at this time? I tried yesterday to find this information on Google but did not have much success. My initial query regarding the most likely route for immigrants around 1874 leaving Tralee to join a ship at Gravesend seems to have created interest. Thank you to all those who responded. Would I be correct in concluding that in all probability, an immigrant from near Tralee joining a ship in London or Gravesend would journey by train from Tralee to Cork and then by boat to the English port of embarking for New Zealand - in this case the 'Geraldine Paget' at Gravesend. The 'Geraldine Paget' did not call at any ports in Ireland on its way to New Zealand so my great grandfather Tim SUGRUE must have made his way to Gravesend. Would the Tralee - Cork - Gravesend route have been more likely that taking a smaller ship directly between Tralee (Blennerville) and Gravesend? Thoughts welcomed! Regards Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael leane" <[email protected]> To: "Mary Legarth" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Emigration Port 1865 Cork; LESLIE > HelloMary The first Train steamed in to Killarney July 16th 1853 and > Tralee on July 16th 1859 Aglish is about 6 miles from Killarney from > Michael in Killarney----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Legarth" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:22 AM > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Emigration Port 1865 Cork; LESLIE > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5438 (20100909) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

HelloMary The first Train steamed in to Killarney July 16th 1853 and Tralee on July 16th 1859 Aglish is about 6 miles from Killarney from Michael in Killarney----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Legarth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:22 AM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Emigration Port 1865 Cork; LESLIE > Re The Mary Shepherd 1866. > I had noted that the Ship left from London, not Cork, 28th October 1865, > arrived Bay of Islands 11th Feb. 1866, then to Auckland arrived 15 Feb. > 1866. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Mary Legarth > Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2010 1:11 p.m. > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Emigration Port 1865 Cork; LESLIE > > Mary Ann LESLIE , born 1844, & lived in Aglish, Killarney area, left for New > Zealand from Cork. > I do not know if they made their way directly from Cork, or if they made > their way to e.g. an English Port. > The Mary Shepherd, which arrived Feb 1866, Auckland, New Zealand. For some > reason I have not noted the embarkation date, I assume early December 1865. > We know that her family travelled to see Mary Ann, & her Brother, William > Day LESLIE, off at the Port. They must have travelled by Cart or similar. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 5429 (20100906) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Legarth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:22 AM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Emigration Port 1865 Cork; LESLIE > Re The Mary Shepherd 1866. > I had noted that the Ship left from London, not Cork, 28th October 1865, > arrived Bay of Islands 11th Feb. 1866, then to Auckland arrived 15 Feb. > 1866. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Mary Legarth > Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2010 1:11 p.m. > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Emigration Port 1865 Cork; LESLIE > > Mary Ann LESLIE , born 1844, & lived in Aglish, Killarney area, left for New > Zealand from Cork. > I do not know if they made their way directly from Cork, or if they made > their way to e.g. an English Port. > The Mary Shepherd, which arrived Feb 1866, Auckland, New Zealand. For some > reason I have not noted the embarkation date, I assume early December 1865. > We know that her family travelled to see Mary Ann, & her Brother, William > Day LESLIE, off at the Port. They must have travelled by Cart or similar. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 5429 (20100906) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > >

My great uncle age 65 went back to Ireland to get birthcertificate to get SS,  He almost died on the Queen Mary but a couple, who passengers, took him under their wing so to speak.  When he got to Cobh he took a wagon ( can't remember the Irish name) to The Glen, Rathkerian near Valentia Island. He was very unhappy about the ride.  The wheels were old wooden ones and hit every bump, rock, or what ever.  Going back to the boat he walked.     He was 65 then. 1938 before the war.  Then he returned to Ireland in 1950+/- and died in 1953.  I can still see him in his green fedora hat and thorn walking stick. I still have. But if there was no train they walked or at least some did. Jackie Sullivan Keating, O'Sullivan, Clifford, O'Shea, Golden, Sugrue, Healy, Currane, Connor,

While looking through The Emigrant Savings Bank of New York records on ancestry.com, I came along this account and I hope she and the minor belong to someone. Kathleen~CT. Acct #87018 - 2 persons listed First date of account - 02 Jan 1872 Amended on 28 Oct 1872 Her signature was signed with a "X" Honora SHEA Residence - 97 Bayard Street, NYC Occupation - Housekeeper Birth 1823, Kerry Arrived - 1862, "City of Manchester" Widow of Patrick, nee Shea Minor SHEA Birth 1858, Kerry Arrived - 1862, "City of Manchester"

Anne, I would be grateful, if you can look in your Book, & tell me if the Mary Shepherd left Cork, October 1865. Said to have left London, 28 October 1865, for New Zealand. I assume, then, it means it left Cork at least 1 or 2 weeks prior to this. I know that this was the Port from which Mary Ann LESLIE left. Thankyou, Mary -------------------------------------------------- From: "Anne" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:54 AM To: "'Kerry List'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Immigration Departure Ports 1874 > There is a list of sailing dates which shows the boats and the > destinations > and some general information about some boats. Do you have a particular > one > in mind? I am happy to look it up? > > Anne __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5435 (20100908) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Ellen Connor married Thomas Donoghue (b.1815ish) in 1840s. Moved to east end of London in 1851/2. The families were from Killarney and Glanageenty in Ballymacelligott Cheers Rod -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Patty Crowley Sent: 08 September 2010 04:24 To: Kerry RootsWeb Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Connor/O'Connor My GG, William Higgins (b 19 Jun 1835) married a Bridget/Brigid Connor (b ~1830s-1840s) on 20 Feb 1855 in Causeway and Edmund Connor was their only witness. They settled in Doonamontane, Ballyheigue, Kerry, Ireland and had 8 children that I could find: * William Higgins (1859-1939) - Settled in Chicago * Mary Higgins Dineen (1860-?) - Settled in Chicago * Hanorah/Nora Higgins Donegan (1862-1946) - Settled in Chicago * Patrick Higgins (1867-?) - Unknown * Thomas Higgins (1868-?) - In Doonamontane in 1901 and 1911 Census with mother, Bridget/Brigid * Michael Patrick Higgins (1872-1946) - Settled in Chicago (my GG on my Dad's side) * Daniel Higgins (1879-?) - In Doonamontane in 1901 and 1911 Census with mother, Bridget/BrigidBridget/Brigid was in both the 1901 (as 60) and 1911 (as 75) Censuses. However, there were several Bridget/Brigid Connors who were baptised in Causeway in the 1830s/1840s. Regards, Patty Crowley [email protected] _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5433 (20100908) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5433 (20100908) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

I have that same problem, and the best I can pin down the arrival is by the birth of the children. The first child was born in Ireland in 1854 The next child was born in the US in 1857. Either Pennsylvania or Maryland, depending on which Census you read. Either way, it eliminates the New York, Boston and Canadian ports of entry. (I hope) Seems they didn't know or care where they landed, and I have no idea how long they lived in either Md or Pa, ,other then the rest of the children were all born in Connecticut. Liz in God's waiting room - Florida In a message dated 9/8/2010 11:45:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Anne, Thanks, but I was asking in general. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find out from where my ancestors sailed and to which ports in NA they Arrived. Still short too much info. Sandy -------------------------------------------------- From: "Anne" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:54 AM To: "'Kerry List'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Immigration Departure Ports 1874 > Hi Sandy > > There is a list of sailing dates which shows the boats and the > destinations > and some general information about some boats. Do you have a particular > one > in mind? I am happy to look it up? > > Anne > -----Original Message----- > From: sandy stegmayer [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, 6 September 2010 11:50 p.m. > To: Anne; 'Kerry List' > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Immigration Departure Ports 1874 > > Anne, > > Does the book give the names of the ships and where they were headed? If > not, does anyone know where this info could be found? > > Thanks, > Sandy > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Anne" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 6:49 AM > To: "'Kerry List'" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Immigration Departure Ports 1874 > >> Hi Jenny >> I have a book called "Blennerville: Gateway to Tralee" and it gives >> figures >> of the immigration from Tralee for 1828 to 1867 but nothing after that. >> It >> looks like immigration from Tralee gradually decline with only a few >> people >> leaving in 1865-1867. Mind you I don't know if the figures given here are >> complete. >> It also says that as emigration declined from Tralee, the figures from >> Kerry >> did not reduce with more people travelling on the train to Cork (Cobh). >> >> Regards >> Anne >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Jenny B >> Sent: Sunday, 5 September 2010 3:12 p.m. >> To: 'Kerry List' >> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Immigration Departure Ports 1874 >> >> I appreciate I am in all probability not going to obtain a positive >> location >> - I am looking more for the most likely departure point. >> >> My great grandfather Timothy SUGRUE left Gravesend on 18 September 1874 >> bound for New Zealand aboard the Geraldine Paget. I have copies of the >> passenger lists, Surgeons Report etc and the newspaper reports of the >> voyage >> as published in the Christchurch Star after the arrival of the ship at >> Lyttelton. >> >> The Captains report makes no mention of the ship having called at any >> ports, >> for passengers to embark, after it had left Gravesend therefore it is >> safe >> to assume that Tim had to make his way from his townland of Dromavalla in >> the Parish of Ballymacelligott to Gravesend. >> >> This was 1874 - was Blennerville being used as a port at that time for >> ships >> between Kerry and England or was Blennerville used more in the late >> 1840's >> and 1850's as a departure point for Irish immigrants direct to the US >> during >> and after the famine? >> >> Is it more likely in 1874, Tim would have left Kerry for Gravesend from >> Blennerville or the Cobh of Cork? Any other options? >> >> Would welcome thoughts of this topic or my being directed to a good web >> site >> that covers this topic. >> >> With thanks. >> Jenny >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >> database 5426 (20100906) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> _______________ >> --------------- >> >> Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message. >> >> To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message. >> >> To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ >> >> Share your stuff! 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Hi Anne, Thanks, but I was asking in general. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find out from where my ancestors sailed and to which ports in NA they Arrived. Still short too much info. Sandy -------------------------------------------------- From: "Anne" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:54 AM To: "'Kerry List'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Immigration Departure Ports 1874 > Hi Sandy > > There is a list of sailing dates which shows the boats and the > destinations > and some general information about some boats. Do you have a particular > one > in mind? I am happy to look it up? > > Anne > -----Original Message----- > From: sandy stegmayer [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, 6 September 2010 11:50 p.m. > To: Anne; 'Kerry List' > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Immigration Departure Ports 1874 > > Anne, > > Does the book give the names of the ships and where they were headed? If > not, does anyone know where this info could be found? > > Thanks, > Sandy > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Anne" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 6:49 AM > To: "'Kerry List'" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Immigration Departure Ports 1874 > >> Hi Jenny >> I have a book called "Blennerville: Gateway to Tralee" and it gives >> figures >> of the immigration from Tralee for 1828 to 1867 but nothing after that. >> It >> looks like immigration from Tralee gradually decline with only a few >> people >> leaving in 1865-1867. Mind you I don't know if the figures given here are >> complete. >> It also says that as emigration declined from Tralee, the figures from >> Kerry >> did not reduce with more people travelling on the train to Cork (Cobh). >> >> Regards >> Anne >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Jenny B >> Sent: Sunday, 5 September 2010 3:12 p.m. >> To: 'Kerry List' >> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Immigration Departure Ports 1874 >> >> I appreciate I am in all probability not going to obtain a positive >> location >> - I am looking more for the most likely departure point. >> >> My great grandfather Timothy SUGRUE left Gravesend on 18 September 1874 >> bound for New Zealand aboard the Geraldine Paget. I have copies of the >> passenger lists, Surgeons Report etc and the newspaper reports of the >> voyage >> as published in the Christchurch Star after the arrival of the ship at >> Lyttelton. >> >> The Captains report makes no mention of the ship having called at any >> ports, >> for passengers to embark, after it had left Gravesend therefore it is >> safe >> to assume that Tim had to make his way from his townland of Dromavalla in >> the Parish of Ballymacelligott to Gravesend. >> >> This was 1874 - was Blennerville being used as a port at that time for >> ships >> between Kerry and England or was Blennerville used more in the late >> 1840's >> and 1850's as a departure point for Irish immigrants direct to the US >> during >> and after the famine? >> >> Is it more likely in 1874, Tim would have left Kerry for Gravesend from >> Blennerville or the Cobh of Cork? 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Hi List, I was in Blennerville last week, now in Herefordshire. These photos are of the ships names that left Tralee during that period. It seems that the population then moved to Cork for depart. The windmill and the museum where the book is, is well worth a visit as it has a good street diorama and a story on how the emigrants were treated. The Blennerville book is quite a large heavy tome with a list of names of those mentioned in the book at the back. But not a list of all those who left from there. You will have to locate the ships' manifests from somewhere to check it. Good luck. Fred.. -----Original Message----- From: Fred [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 6 September 2010 1:30 AM To: 'Jenny B' Subject: RE: [IRL-KERRY] Immigration Departure Ports 1874 Hi, here are photos of all the ships departing from Blennerville. I have just left there, pity you were not 1 day earlier with the em. Hope it helps Fred .. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jenny B Sent: Sunday, 5 September 2010 3:12 PM To: 'Kerry List' Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Immigration Departure Ports 1874 I appreciate I am in all probability not going to obtain a positive location - I am looking more for the most likely departure point. My great grandfather Timothy SUGRUE left Gravesend on 18 September 1874 bound for New Zealand aboard the Geraldine Paget. I have copies of the passenger lists, Surgeons Report etc and the newspaper reports of the voyage as published in the Christchurch Star after the arrival of the ship at Lyttelton. The Captains report makes no mention of the ship having called at any ports, for passengers to embark, after it had left Gravesend therefore it is safe to assume that Tim had to make his way from his townland of Dromavalla in the Parish of Ballymacelligott to Gravesend. This was 1874 - was Blennerville being used as a port at that time for ships between Kerry and England or was Blennerville used more in the late 1840's

Ray, so you made the Uncertified Mechanic list! And to think it all started with a spark plug. Congratulations! ~Patsy Expecting cool weather tomorrow (today, really) and perhaps some rain. We haven't seen much rain here in western Massachusetts this summer. Not a good thing... >>"As a general rule, it is pretty rare to find passenger lists in the port of departure in Europe. The official attitude for the steerage passengers was on the order of "good riddance." Ray Marshall Uncertified mechanic in Minneapolis"<<