Denise, I'm sure I won't be the first person to tell you this, but I found Dorans in Ballybunion on this popular Kerry database: http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ Or here is the exact search query (copy and paste it into your browser): http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?name=Doran&name2=&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&diocese=KERRY%20%28RC%29&parish=BALLYBUNION&century=&decade=&type=&sort=&pageSize=100&submit=Search Good luck! ~Patsy

thanks for that Marge, guess what I will be doing today! bye Helen > kerrykuzzin @dslextreme.com <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Folks, Ancestry.com is offering FREE access to their military databases until Nov. 14th. Here is their announcement: Find the heroes in your family tree for free through November 14th. Discover the stories of family members who served in conflicts ranging from the American Revolutionary War all the way up to Vietnam. Find out where they were in life when they joined the military. The roles they played in key battles. Even the color of their eyes and hair. It's all in the world's largest online collection of historical military records on Ancestry.com. http://www.ancestry.com/militaryrecords?o_iid=44906&o_lid=44906 -- Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan in Kildare _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks, Ancestry.com is offering FREE access to their military databases until Nov. 14th. Here is their announcement: Find the heroes in your family tree for free through November 14th. Discover the stories of family members who served in conflicts ranging from the American Revolutionary War all the way up to Vietnam. Find out where they were in life when they joined the military. The roles they played in key battles. Even the color of their eyes and hair. It's all in the world's largest online collection of historical military records on Ancestry.com. http://www.ancestry.com/militaryrecords?o_iid=44906&o_lid=44906 -- Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan in Kildare

Denise, I also came across two children of John Doran and Nora Sullivan: http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?name=John%20Doran&name2=&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&diocese=KERRY%20%28RC%29&parish=BALLYBUNION&century=&decade=&type=&sort=&pageSize=100&submit=Search ~Patsy

Hello, I am very new to family history research and would appreciate some help. I am trying to find information about my Great grandfather, Matthew Doran, from Ballybunion (Correct spelling? Ballybunnion on his marriage certificate) I would love to know when he was born - about 1850/51, maybe a year or 2 later, and when he left Ireland for Australia, perhaps via England. Also about his parents (John and Nora, nee Sullivan or O'Sullivan) and any brothers and sisters. The family were evicted from their home in Ballybunion and moved to Asdee. Is that a town nearby? Is there a way to find out if there are any Dorans still in the Ballybunion/Asdee area? The only definite information I have is that he married Bridget Breen (originally from Tipperary) in Toowoomba, Queensland, in 1880. If anyone can supply missing information, or give me an idea where to get information (I have had no luck on the sites I have searched), I would really appreciate it. Someone suggested I write to the parish priest in Ballybunion for baptism records. Is that an option I should try? Thank you and hoping for some information, Denise Nicholls (nee Doran) Please think of our environment and do not print this email. Warning: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Roseville College and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. Thank You.

Sadly not so true for me Ray. I have the death certificate of my Great Great Grandfather, Timothy Fitzgerald in Swansea in 1872 but still shows his birth place as Ireland no county mentioned. Kind regards, Mary in Nth Queensland where it is still showering and driving the canefarmers nuts trying to harvest the sugarcane. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Marshall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Kerry List" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Finding ancestors in Ireland without a tip > Darlene: > > Don't be depressed. > > Almost never do people find the homes of their ancestor in Ireland by > searching in Ireland. You need to find clues in the U.S., or Oz, or > wherever. > > I found my Scanlon ancestors in Waterford because one of them carved his > own > tombstone and he put "Waterford" on it. > > I found my ancestors in Meenleitrim North, Knocknagoshel, becuae I had two > elderly aunts who knew where their dad was born. > > Places to look when you are trying to find your roots in Ireland are death > certificates, cemetery records, church records, obits, News articles, > vanity > biography books (it says in one of those for a cousin that he was born in > Kerry), scraps of paper from other people's genealogy notes (On an > unsigned > Family Record Sheet I found an entry saying that a gg-gm was from > Listowel. > I found her in nearby Duagh), newspaper articles, military records, > insurance policies, etc. > > If you have an ancestor who lived in a town with a newspaper that got > microfilmed, Genealogybank.com might have scanned every article in that > paper. > > You can browse it for free, seeing the headlines of the articles that > might > give you an indication as to something involving an ancestor. I've got > one > front page huge type article reporting on the death of a cousin who was > shot > dead while going for a walk with somebody else's wife. As far as I know > the > crime was never solved. But the police did talk to the obvious suspect. > > > Ray > Where he has been busy blogging and politicking in this run up to the > elections in Minneapolis. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] GenealogyBank, a leading online newspaper > archive reports Over 700 Million Family History Records Now Online. > > > This all sounds great and wish I could use it!! But with no knowledge > of where my 2 blockbusters lived in "Ireland" it seems hopeless to me. > One is better cause I at least have some idea of where he might have > come from with supposed dates: County Clare. The other, absolutely > no idea as to when, where, etc. > > I envy all of you who have access to and can use the available info.!!! > > Darlene > > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the > Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a > wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is > at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mary, it took me30 years to find my Polish ancestors. Don't give up. Keep looking. And you will find wonderful things and friends along the way. Ray Where it is still Summer in Minneapolis (albeit a cool Summer) -----Original Message----- From: Mary [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:06 PM To: Ray Marshall; [email protected] Cc: Kerry List Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Finding ancestors in Ireland without a tip Sadly not so true for me Ray. I have the death certificate of my Great Great Grandfather, Timothy Fitzgerald in Swansea in 1872 but still shows his birth place as Ireland no county mentioned. Kind regards, Mary in Nth Queensland where it is still showering and driving the canefarmers nuts trying to harvest the sugarcane.>

Thanks, Michael. I didn't know about converting those Google transcripts tinto pdf files. Although I did run into a problem with Google. Afater the second download, I got a message saying "It seems your computer is sending automated requests." I'll have to try the others tomorrow or the next day. I can see that that could be a problem for Google, having someone download their entire library. Ray Marshall in balmy Minneapolis. -----Original Message----- [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Michael Danahy Subject: [IRL-KERRY] ENLIGHTENED Kerry info in Google Books > M Q and all, If you can work with Adobe Acrobat Reader, then it is fairly straightforward to select download and print specified page ranges. Look carefully at the menu bar at the top of the open application.> this, I (and > probably others) would really appreciate being enlightened.

> M Q and all, If you can work with Adobe Acrobat Reader, then it is fairly straightforward to select download and print specified page ranges. Look carefully at the menu bar at the top of the open application. > re all old and hence out of copyright so they appear in their > entirety online. Trouble is, it's no longer possible/easy to just a > few selected > pages instead of having to download whole books and then print from > them., or at > least I don't know how to do it. If someone knows a way around > this, I (and > probably others) would really appreciate being enlightened.

Marge, Molly, List, The link explains a bit about the White's. I descend from White's in the Clogheen/Clonmel part of Tipp. In the late 1500's early 1600's 3 White brothers from Clonmel rose to fame in the Catholic church. One was bishop of Lismore, the others founded Irish College in Salamanca and was one of the scholars on Trinity College's original charter. I stumbled across the data in the Ecclesiastical Records of Ireland on google. During the Penal times the bishop hid with cousins in Kilcarroon, Tipp. the exact location of my White's. Funnily enough my White's in Kilcarroon married into the Barry family of Ballyporeen and they were very dark haired/dark eyed as opposed to the blonde White's. Here's the link: http://www.irishabroad.com/yourroots/genealogy/names/anglonorman/part6.asp Helen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of M.Q. Fallaw Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:29 PM To: molly placko; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Barrett,Keane,and O'Connor,Borsnan families I'm especially interested in your musing about White seeming to be an unlikely Irish surname, at least for RC Irish. I've wondered the same thing myself. In the marriage record/register of the Basilica of Notre Dame in Montreal, the priest recorded the name of the mother of my 2nd great-grandmother (Mary Shea Doyle) as Mary White (father was Thomas Shea). And the Irish church records recently put online do include some of what appears to be baptisms of at least some of their children, or at least the parents are shown as Mary White and Thomas Shea. I don't really know much about "branch names," or maybe AKA names, or family nicknames that apparently were used in at least some places at one time to keep straight different branches of large extended families with the same, common surname. I vaguely recall that this was true in the Beara peninsula especially, and I think it was the Sullivans there (and maybe also in the nearby parts of Kerry, like in the Kenmare area) that had one or more "branch names." In fact, the seemingly very numerous Sheas in Kerry might themselves have been likely to resort to branch names. I don't really have any idea where those trying to differentiate a part of a family by using the nickname White might have come up with it, though. Maybe at the time of that branch-naming a part of the family (or just several influential individuals) tended to have blond hair? the children especially were tow-headed? adults got white-headed early? some were albinos? If White really was a branch name/nickname in my 3rd great-grandmother's case, I guess the fact that that surname was given at the time of her daughter's marriage might indicate that at least some continued on with the branch name and just dropped the original name. Does anybody know anything about this? Thanks, Marge ________________________________ From: molly placko <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 7:21:56 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Barrett,Keane,and O'Connor,Borsnan families I'm looking at some of the 'side' families to my SHEEHAN, WHITE, LEANE of Kilmanihan West,Brosna, Co Kerry. 1901 Census or Brosna, Co Kerry (Kilmanihan West) Mortimer SHEEHAN 64yo Ellen (White) SHEEHAN 60yo Mary BARRETT 'adopted dau' 1 & 1/2yo John KEANE 'adopted son' 7 & 1/2 yo Mary O'CONNOR, neice, 19yo house servant 1911 Census--same location Ellen SHEEHAN (widow) Mary BARRETT, boarder, 11yo Elizabeth BROSNAN , boarder, 6yo Any ideas? Why 'adopted dau' becomes 'boarder' in the next census? I understand that children sometimes had to board close to school. A family member? I mention the LEANE name because Kate Leane was Mortimer's 1st wife & I suspect died in or soon after childbirth 12/1870. Haven't found their marriage... Ellen Sheehan's father was Andrew White of Kilmanihan--I can find nothing on him. White isn't a very Irish name, is it?? Thanx, Molly (in sunny Arizona) _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. 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You've got to be careful and look at origiinal records as much as possible. Could White be a 'middle ' name like Mary Beth X or could White be carried over from a previous marriage? As well, in some times and places, the ladies actually retained their 'maiden' or famly/father's surname anyway. On Nov 9, 2010, at 6:41 AM, Helen wrote: > Marge, Molly, List, > > The link explains a bit about the White's. I descend from White's > in the > Clogheen/Clonmel part of Tipp. In the late 1500's early 1600's 3 White > brothers from Clonmel rose to fame in the Catholic church. One was > bishop of > Lismore, the others founded Irish College in Salamanca and was one > of the > scholars on Trinity College's original charter. I stumbled across > the data > in the Ecclesiastical Records of Ireland on google. During the > Penal times > the bishop hid with cousins in Kilcarroon, Tipp. the exact location > of my > White's. > > Funnily enough my White's in Kilcarroon married into the Barry > family of > Ballyporeen and they were very dark haired/dark eyed as opposed to the > blonde White's. > > Here's the link: > > http://www.irishabroad.com/yourroots/genealogy/names/anglonorman/ > part6.asp > > Helen > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:irl-kerry- > [email protected]] > On Behalf Of M.Q. Fallaw > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:29 PM > To: molly placko; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Barrett,Keane,and O'Connor,Borsnan families > > I'm especially interested in your musing about White seeming to be an > unlikely > Irish surname, at least for RC Irish. I've wondered the same thing > myself. > In > the marriage record/register of the Basilica of Notre Dame in > Montreal, the > priest recorded the name of the mother of my 2nd great-grandmother > (Mary > Shea > Doyle) as Mary White (father was Thomas Shea). And the Irish church > records > recently put online do include some of what appears to be baptisms > of at > least > some of their children, or at least the parents are shown as Mary > White and > Thomas Shea. > > I don't really know much about "branch names," or maybe AKA names, > or family > > nicknames that apparently were used in at least some places at one > time to > keep > straight different branches of large extended families with the > same, common > > surname. I vaguely recall that this was true in the Beara peninsula > especially, > and I think it was the Sullivans there (and maybe also in the > nearby parts > of > Kerry, like in the Kenmare area) that had one or more "branch > names." In > fact, > the seemingly very numerous Sheas in Kerry might themselves have > been likely > to > resort to branch names. > > > I don't really have any idea where those trying to differentiate a > part of a > > family by using the nickname White might have come up with it, > though. Maybe > at > the time of that branch-naming a part of the family (or just several > influential > individuals) tended to have blond hair? the children especially were > tow-headed? > adults got white-headed early? some were albinos? > > If White really was a branch name/nickname in my 3rd great- > grandmother's > case, I > guess the fact that that surname was given at the time of her > daughter's > marriage might indicate that at least some continued on with the > branch name > and > just dropped the original name. Does anybody know anything about this? > > Thanks, > Marge > > > > > ________________________________ > From: molly placko <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 7:21:56 PM > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Barrett,Keane,and O'Connor,Borsnan families > > > I'm looking at some of the 'side' families to my SHEEHAN, WHITE, > LEANE of > Kilmanihan West,Brosna, Co Kerry. > > 1901 Census or Brosna, Co Kerry (Kilmanihan West) > Mortimer SHEEHAN 64yo > Ellen (White) SHEEHAN 60yo > Mary BARRETT 'adopted dau' 1 & 1/2yo > John KEANE 'adopted son' 7 & 1/2 yo > Mary O'CONNOR, neice, 19yo house servant > > 1911 Census--same location > Ellen SHEEHAN (widow) > Mary BARRETT, boarder, 11yo > Elizabeth BROSNAN , boarder, 6yo > > Any ideas? Why 'adopted dau' becomes 'boarder' in the next census? I > understand that children sometimes had to board close to school. A > family > member? > > I mention the LEANE name because Kate Leane was Mortimer's 1st wife > & I > suspect > died in or soon after childbirth 12/1870. Haven't found their > marriage... > > Ellen Sheehan's father was Andrew White of Kilmanihan--I can find > nothing on > > him. White isn't a very Irish name, is it?? > > Thanx, > Molly (in sunny Arizona) > > > > > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an > email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with > the Irish > > genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a > wide > audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. 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I'm especially interested in your musing about White seeming to be an unlikely Irish surname, at least for RC Irish. I've wondered the same thing myself. In the marriage record/register of the Basilica of Notre Dame in Montreal, the priest recorded the name of the mother of my 2nd great-grandmother (Mary Shea Doyle) as Mary White (father was Thomas Shea). And the Irish church records recently put online do include some of what appears to be baptisms of at least some of their children, or at least the parents are shown as Mary White and Thomas Shea. I don't really know much about "branch names," or maybe AKA names, or family nicknames that apparently were used in at least some places at one time to keep straight different branches of large extended families with the same, common surname. I vaguely recall that this was true in the Beara peninsula especially, and I think it was the Sullivans there (and maybe also in the nearby parts of Kerry, like in the Kenmare area) that had one or more "branch names." In fact, the seemingly very numerous Sheas in Kerry might themselves have been likely to resort to branch names. I don't really have any idea where those trying to differentiate a part of a family by using the nickname White might have come up with it, though. Maybe at the time of that branch-naming a part of the family (or just several influential individuals) tended to have blond hair? the children especially were tow-headed? adults got white-headed early? some were albinos? If White really was a branch name/nickname in my 3rd great-grandmother's case, I guess the fact that that surname was given at the time of her daughter's marriage might indicate that at least some continued on with the branch name and just dropped the original name. Does anybody know anything about this? Thanks, Marge ________________________________ From: molly placko <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 7:21:56 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Barrett,Keane,and O'Connor,Borsnan families I'm looking at some of the 'side' families to my SHEEHAN, WHITE, LEANE of Kilmanihan West,Brosna, Co Kerry. 1901 Census or Brosna, Co Kerry (Kilmanihan West) Mortimer SHEEHAN 64yo Ellen (White) SHEEHAN 60yo Mary BARRETT 'adopted dau' 1 & 1/2yo John KEANE 'adopted son' 7 & 1/2 yo Mary O'CONNOR, neice, 19yo house servant 1911 Census--same location Ellen SHEEHAN (widow) Mary BARRETT, boarder, 11yo Elizabeth BROSNAN , boarder, 6yo Any ideas? Why 'adopted dau' becomes 'boarder' in the next census? I understand that children sometimes had to board close to school. A family member? I mention the LEANE name because Kate Leane was Mortimer's 1st wife & I suspect died in or soon after childbirth 12/1870. Haven't found their marriage... Ellen Sheehan's father was Andrew White of Kilmanihan--I can find nothing on him. White isn't a very Irish name, is it?? Thanx, Molly (in sunny Arizona) _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My idea would be to consider the relationship of an "adopted" child as due to a step child situation in which the parent who brought the child intothe house dies. This might lead to a re defintion of the adoptive relationship or at least another way of talkingabout the same person. On Nov 8, 2010, at 6:21 PM, molly placko wrote: > > I'm looking at some of the 'side' families to my SHEEHAN, WHITE, > LEANE of Kilmanihan West,Brosna, Co Kerry. > > 1901 Census or Brosna, Co Kerry (Kilmanihan West) > Mortimer SHEEHAN 64yo > Ellen (White) SHEEHAN 60yo > Mary BARRETT 'adopted dau' 1 & 1/2yo > John KEANE 'adopted son' 7 & 1/2 yo > Mary O'CONNOR, neice, 19yo house servant > > 1911 Census--same location > Ellen SHEEHAN (widow) > Mary BARRETT, boarder, 11yo > Elizabeth BROSNAN , boarder, 6yo > > Any ideas? Why 'adopted dau' becomes 'boarder' in the next > census? I understand that children sometimes had to board close to > school. A family member? > > I mention the LEANE name because Kate Leane was Mortimer's 1st wife > & I suspect died in or soon after childbirth 12/1870. Haven't found > their marriage... > > Ellen Sheehan's father was Andrew White of Kilmanihan--I can find > nothing on him. White isn't a very Irish name, is it?? > > Thanx, > Molly (in sunny Arizona) > > > > > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an > email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with > the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website > to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. > Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I'm looking at some of the 'side' families to my SHEEHAN, WHITE, LEANE of Kilmanihan West,Brosna, Co Kerry. 1901 Census or Brosna, Co Kerry (Kilmanihan West)     Mortimer SHEEHAN 64yo     Ellen (White) SHEEHAN 60yo     Mary BARRETT  'adopted dau'  1 & 1/2yo     John KEANE      'adopted son'   7 & 1/2 yo     Mary O'CONNOR, neice,          19yo   house servant 1911 Census--same location    Ellen SHEEHAN (widow)    Mary BARRETT, boarder,  11yo    Elizabeth BROSNAN , boarder, 6yo Any ideas?  Why 'adopted dau' becomes 'boarder' in the next census?  I understand that children sometimes had to board close to school. A family member? I mention the LEANE name because Kate Leane was Mortimer's 1st wife & I suspect died in or soon after childbirth 12/1870. Haven't found their marriage... Ellen Sheehan's father was Andrew White of Kilmanihan--I can find nothing on him.  White isn't a very Irish name, is it?? Thanx, Molly (in sunny Arizona)

I just finished "MIDLIFE IRISH" by Frank Gannon Franks parents came from Ireland, an he went to Ireland after they passed, to learn abt their lives. Poignant, stirring an funny. i enjoyed it. Lorri searching-for ancestors GEIGER-Veach-Allen-Barnett-CARROLL -GEARIN-KANE-SMITH-MOYLAN DONAHUE-BURNS-Fowler-Fahey UHLE -MANTZ -PSCHYBYLSKI -GRIGOLEIT BUSCHMANN -MONTING-ODONNELL

Marge: In your last post you mentioned Callaghans as possibly being from your Sneen area. My g-grandmother was Mary Callaghan, d/o Patrick Callaghan & Mary Howard, each b. Abt. 1790, who apparently claimed to be from Tralee. She married my g-grandfather Andrew Fogarty of Aghabeg West, in Paris, ON., Canada in 1852. I have not received any replies to past messages re. the Callaghans and wondered if there might be any connection to yours? Andy McAuliffe, Kitchener, ON

Thank you for sharing those, Marge! I just skimmed No. 2 and there was a lot of really interesting information about what Kerry was like in 1850 for the poor people. Specific mention of Tralee, Listowel, Castleisland, Killarney, Kingwilliamstown, etc. I would imagine that the observations about other areas of Ireland might have been quite applicable to Kerry communities, too. Ray in Minneapolis, where it's dark out. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of M.Q. Fallaw Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 6:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Wealth of 19th-century Kerry info in Google Books Although I don't have time (and won't in the foreseeable future) to really mine Google Books for 19th-century information about Co. Kerry that might shed light on the conditions of life and the nature of the land there, especially in the area between Kenmare and Sneem (where my Sheas, Doyles, Foleys and Whites lived, and maybe Callaghans), I've done a little exploration and would like to share a few titles I've found so far, though barely looked at. Determined researchers with more time will no doubt find more, and I hope will share esp. significant findings/titles by posting them. You'll likely find others pertinent books easily if you check out the "related books" section on the main page of the books below. One book can lead to the next find. These books are all old and hence out of copyright so they appear in their entirety online. Trouble is, it's no longer possible/easy to just a few selected pages instead of having to download whole books and then print from them., or at least I don't know how to do it. If someone knows a way around this, I (and probably others) would really appreciate being enlightened. 1) Appendix to the Fourth Report of the Commissioners on the Nature and Extent of the Bogs in Ireland, 1814. http://books.google.com/books?id=8C9bAAAAQAAJ A lot of revelatory information, dating from about the time of my 2nd great-grandfather Jeremiah Doyle's birth near Sneem. 2) The Plantation Scheme, or, The west of Ireland as a field for investment, 1850. http://books.google.com/books?id=zzVSP-QEnDYC 3) THE SESSIONAL PAPERS PRINTED BY ORDER OF THE HOUSE OF LORDS OR PRESENTED BY ROYAL COMMAND, IN THE SESSION 1849 http://books.google.com/books?id=eRVcAAAAQAAJ 4) A hand book for travellers in Ireland: descriptive of its scenery, towns..., 3rd ed., 1844 http://books.google.com/books?id=tV0NAAAAYAAJ 5) The ocean plague: or, A voyage to Quebec in an Irish emigrant vessel : embracing a quarantine at Grosse Isle in 1847 : with notes illustrative of the ship-pestilence of that fatal year, 1848. http://books.google.com/books?id=aJ5s6aDoekIC That ought to be enough to keep you occupied for awhile if you haven't already discovered Google Books for background info about Kerry and Ireland! I wish I had time to poke around more myself. Marge

Just had a quick look at subject line. Is'nt there a townland called Letter near Caherciveen?   Regards,Fintan ----- Original Message ---- From: Ray Marshall <[email protected]> To: Kitty <[email protected]>; Reg Volk <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Sat, 6 November, 2010 18:46:41 Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Lettes? Kitty You can't post 'pictures' on rootsweb emails.  Text messages don't allow attachments. But what you could do is post a picture to your own web page, or to a third party site such as www.photobucket.com (and there are hundreds of such sites, I believe) and then just post a link to your picture, or digital image or scan of some difficult writing, in your rootsweb message. But that could be risky, too.  I would be very reluctant to click on a link from someone I didn't know from a strange website.  But probably Photobucket, Picasa, Flickr and other  sites are OK. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_sharing Ray Marshall Where it's nice today, but sure wasn't yesterday, in Minneapolis.  Gotta change my fake spare tire this weekend. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Kitty Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:40 PM To: Reg Volk; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Lettes? What do you all think about a request like this scanning the piece in question and posting the picture? A lot of us are very good at reading old and difficult writing, and it would help to see the actual example. _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff!  If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance.  Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _______________ ---------------        Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html                                                To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff!  If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance.  Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a copy of the birth certificate of my grandfather, Edward Flavin. Someone has clearly written that Edmond Flahaven was born in the townland of Litter. Further research has determined that he was born in the townland of Letter. Sometimes scanning the document doesn't always help. In this case the writer at the Southern Health Board interpreted the townland name as Litter. Kay "Hi to all, I have a copy of the marriage license for my g.g.m. Mary Butler and g.g.f. John Sullivan, married in Cahirciveen in 1866. The license says she was from Lettes. Does anyone have a clue where that is? Dennis Sullivan"

Although I don't have time (and won't in the foreseeable future) to really mine Google Books for 19th-century information about Co. Kerry that might shed light on the conditions of life and the nature of the land there, especially in the area between Kenmare and Sneem (where my Sheas, Doyles, Foleys and Whites lived, and maybe Callaghans), I've done a little exploration and would like to share a few titles I've found so far, though barely looked at. Determined researchers with more time will no doubt find more, and I hope will share esp. significant findings/titles by posting them. You'll likely find others pertinent books easily if you check out the "related books" section on the main page of the books below. One book can lead to the next find. These books are all old and hence out of copyright so they appear in their entirety online. Trouble is, it's no longer possible/easy to just a few selected pages instead of having to download whole books and then print from them., or at least I don't know how to do it. If someone knows a way around this, I (and probably others) would really appreciate being enlightened. 1) Appendix to the Fourth Report of the Commissioners on the Nature and Extent of the Bogs in Ireland, 1814. http://books.google.com/books?id=8C9bAAAAQAAJ A lot of revelatory information, dating from about the time of my 2nd great-grandfather Jeremiah Doyle's birth near Sneem. 2) The Plantation Scheme, or, The west of Ireland as a field for investment, 1850. http://books.google.com/books?id=zzVSP-QEnDYC 3) THE SESSIONAL PAPERS PRINTED BY ORDER OF THE HOUSE OF LORDS OR PRESENTED BY ROYAL COMMAND, IN THE SESSION 1849 http://books.google.com/books?id=eRVcAAAAQAAJ 4) A hand book for travellers in Ireland: descriptive of its scenery, towns..., 3rd ed., 1844 http://books.google.com/books?id=tV0NAAAAYAAJ 5) The ocean plague: or, A voyage to Quebec in an Irish emigrant vessel : embracing a quarantine at Grosse Isle in 1847 : with notes illustrative of the ship-pestilence of that fatal year, 1848. http://books.google.com/books?id=aJ5s6aDoekIC That ought to be enough to keep you occupied for awhile if you haven't already discovered Google Books for background info about Kerry and Ireland! I wish I had time to poke around more myself. Marge