New York Times OpEd http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/22/opinion/22douthat.html?src=me&ref=homepage Ireland’s Paradise Lost By ROSS DOUTHAT Published: November 22, 2010 For an American tourist weaned on Gaelic kitsch and screenings of “The Quiet Man,” the landscape of contemporary Ireland comes as something of a shock. Drive from Dublin to the western coast and back, as I did two months ago, and you’ll still find all the thatched-roof farmhouses, winding stone walls and placid sheep that the postcards would lead you to expect. But round every green hill, there’s a swath of miniature McMansions. Past every tumble-down castle, a cascade of condominiums. In sleepy fishing villages that date to the days of Grace O’Malley, Ireland’s Pirate Queen (she was the Sarah Palin of the 16th century), half the houses look the part — but the rest could have been thrown up by the Toll brothers. Ross Douthat’s Evaluations The columnist’s blog on politics and culture. Readers' Comments Readers shared their thoughts on this article. a.. Read All Comments (110) » It’s as if there were only two eras in Irish history: the Middle Ages and the housing bubble. This actually isn’t a bad way of thinking about Ireland’s 20th century. The island spent decade after decade isolated, premodern and rural — and then in just a few short years, boom, modernity! The Irish sometimes say that their 1960s didn’t happen until the 1990s, when secularization and the sexual revolution finally began in earnest in what had been one of the most conservative and Catholic countries in the world. But Ireland caught up fast: the kind of social and economic change that took 50 years or more in many places was compressed into a single revolutionary burst. There was a time, not so very long ago, when everyone wanted to take credit for this transformation. Free-market conservatives hailed Ireland’s rapid growth as an example of the miracles that free trade, tax cuts and deregulation can accomplish. (In 1990, Ireland ranked near the bottom of European Union nations in G.D.P. per capita. In 2005, it ranked second.) Progressives and secularists suggested that Ireland was thriving because it had finally escaped the Catholic Church’s repressive grip, which kept horizons narrow and families large, and limited female economic opportunity. (An academic paper on this theme, “Contraception and the Celtic Tiger,” earned the Malcolm Gladwell treatment in the pages of The New Yorker.) The European elite regarded Ireland as a case study in the benefits of E.U. integration, since the more tightly the Irish bound themselves to Continental institutions, the faster their gross domestic product rose. Nobody tells those kinds of stories anymore. The Celtic housing bubble was more inflated than America’s (a lot of those McMansions are half-finished and abandoned), the Celtic banking industry was more reckless in its bets, and Ireland’s debts, private and public, make our budget woes look manageable by comparison. The Irish economy is on everybody’s mind again these days, but that’s because the government has just been forced to apply for a bailout from the E.U., lest Ireland become the green thread that unravels the European quilt. If the bailout does its work and the Irish situation stabilizes, the world’s attention will move on to the next E.U. country on the brink, whether it’s Portugal, Spain or Greece (again). But when the story of the Great Recession is remembered, Ireland will offer the most potent cautionary tale. Nowhere did the imaginations of utopians run so rampant, and nowhere did they receive a more stinging rebuke. To the utopians of capitalism, the Irish experience should be a reminder that the biggest booms can produce the biggest busts, and that debt and ruin always shadow prosperity and growth. To the utopians of secularism, the Irish experience should be a reminder that the waning of a powerful religious tradition can breed decadence as well as liberation. (“Ireland found riches a good substitute for its traditional culture,” Christopher Caldwell noted, but now “we may be about to discover what happens when a traditionally poor country returns to poverty without its culture.”) But it’s the utopians of European integration who should learn the hardest lessons from the Irish story. The continent-wide ripples from Ireland’s banking crisis have vindicated the Euroskeptics who argued that the E.U. was expanded too hastily, and that a single currency couldn’t accommodate such a wide diversity of nations. And the Irish government’s hat-in-hand pilgrimages to Brussels have vindicated every nationalist who feared that economic union would eventually mean political subjugation. The yoke of the European Union is lighter than the yoke of the British Empire, but Ireland has returned to a kind of vassal status all the same. As for the Irish themselves, their idyllic initiation into global capitalism is over, and now they probably understand the nature of modernity a little better. At times, it can seem to deliver everything you ever wanted, and wealth beyond your dreams. But you always have to pay for it.

Well what a good idea ,.lets get back to Genealogy .My O'Connor's or Connors as found on Church records and from Priest of Castlemaine Parish Timothy O'Connor Tim married Joanna Kevane [This name can sometimes be Clifford] 26th Feb 1816 Children Bridget ,born 31 Dec 1916 at Ballyfinnane Ellen born 1820 Thomas born 30 April 1822 at Ballyfinnane Bridget born 3 July 1826 [so first child died] Mary born 3 July 1826 Knucbrack John born 1830 Keellea Priest explained that Knockbrack ,Gurrane,and Ballfinnane are close together Where these children went I have no idea they may have stayed in Kerry The only one I can trace is Thomas O'Connor married Elizabeth Teahan in Castlemaine 1 Feb 1842 Children Mary born 30 March 1846 at Gurtshanavogh Killeentierna Charles born 16 Feb 1849 at Gortshanavogh Maurice born app 1854[no birth found [my great grandfather] Margaret born 13 April 1855 at Camp Catherine born 26 March 1859 Gurraun So you can see this family was on the move in those years of the famine Maurice and sister Catherine {Kate] arrived in New Zealand app 1878/9 Maurice married Mary Francis Cournane born 2 Jan. 1858 in Caherciveen Father John Cournane and mother Mary Bowler Catherine married James Richard Talbot Father Richard John Talbot and mother Mary Cook 2 July 1886 O'Connors and Teahans from Ballfinnane and Currow,son Maurice went to New Zealand also Cournane and Bowler from Cahersiveen ,daughter Mary Frances married Maurice in NZ 1881

Maureen, Thank you for that. I have never found any images that were online so I stopped checking. I will have to go back now and see if I have any online! Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan in Kildare On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Maureen Gamble <[email protected]>wrote: > Hello all. > I hope I'm not such a newbie that I missed this before, but on the > Irish Genealogy site http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ I was > thrilled to find a great deal of information on the pop-up screens. > By mistake, I hit the entry line (highlighted in orange) and found > that the pop-up box expands on the next page. Also, if you scroll to > the bottom of the page, it will tell you if the image has been put > online. Imagine my surprise when I found my ggp's marriage > certificate online! I tried more of my family and not everything has > been imaged "yet," so I can assume more is coming. This will save a > lot of time and money requesting copies directly from Ireland. > > Maureen in beautiful Colorado. > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eirlker/mailing.html> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eirlker/> > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the > Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a > wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eirlker/>contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --

This came through this morning from the O'Connor list Trish in Sydney Subject: [OCONNOR] Our new administrator >I would like to introduce you to : > > Pat Connors, Your new admistrator to the O'Connor list. She is an > experienced List admin, so there isn't anything involved which is > likely to be a surprise or challenge to her. She has been on the list > for a very long time and has an active website for O'Connor research. > > I started this list in 1996 and find it hard to believe how long its > been, I am not giving up so easily, it was a very hard decision to > make, and I will miss it. I will still be on the list, just a bit less > active. During all those years I've solved many mysteries with my > Goodwin Line James and Ellen Roche O'Connor of Brigown, , Mitcheltown, > County Cork , (Canada and the USA and now even Japan) and I'm very > happy with the results. Especially since my father and I searched for > over 30 years before his death in 1996 with very few results. It was > only 3 months after his death that I tried a long shot of a town name, > Caro instead of Cairo and there on the very first page was the marriage > of my great grandfather and the rest is my family history. I truly > believe that my Da was guiding me, after meeting up with his ancestors > .(Thanks Da, and I sure miss speaking Irish with you, although we both > should have found a way to read and write it ! One of my grandaughters > speaks it fluently with me and is just waiting until after college to > learn the reading and writing. I hope I live long enough to introduce > her to Ireland, as I did her mother after college.) The same > Grandaughter will be taking over for me, when the time comes, thanks > Anne Catherine !! > > Pat will probably address all of you and give you her family line, and > please, take the time to welcome her, I know she will do an awesome > job. I've always considered her one of the more knowledgeable members > of the list.. > > Thank you for the e-mails regarding well wishes for the future and my > health and good hunting. > > Pat, Thanks > > Ley K O'Connor, List-mom 1996-2010 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, List, I have been researching Cournane's/Courtney's for a long time. The name is mangled as are most of our surnames. I haven't found it as Counihan before but I have found it as Curtayne which really should be Curtin, also Currane( Curran) and recently learned Crean might be a form. I have done lots of work on all the Courtney lines that settled in Worcester, MA and they are very tied to the Leahy's, Leary's, Falvey's, Murphy's, Donoghue's and Sullivan's. There is a Worcester Courtney family( 2 brothers) whose mother was Johanna Spillane, father Jeremiah, they were from Barleymount. A Gortahoonig branch, Jeremiah Courtney and Mary Leahy settled in Worcester and married into another Courtney branch from Cahir and Cooles. That branch was connected to Connells also. One of the Cooles Courtney females married a Counihan. The list goes on and on but I have come across all the towns you mentioned. Some of Minish branch ended up on College St. in Killarney then the children ended up in Worcester. Some of the Minish Courtney's lived in Kilgarvan and Glenflesk at the same time as mine but I can't seem to make a definite cousin connection. The townlands you mentioned are where my Courtney's lived. Teernaboul, Glenflesk etc. was their home at one point and the home of my Healy/Foran family was in Teernaboul. I just read a very interesting account of Teernaboul in a story entitled "Legend of the White Lady" which is a bit of Teernaboul folklore involving the McSweeney's of Teernaboul. It was in a book called "Legends Of The Lakes: Or Sayings And Doings At Killarney" Volume 2 by Thomas Crofton Croker, originally written in 1829. This is an interesting book, it can be found on google books or purchased for under $30 from Abe Books. A great read for anybody with Killarney area roots. Helen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marysimpson Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 9:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Counihan & Sullivan families around Muckross and Killarney As it seems to be a bit quiet at the moment, I thought that I would put a question on the lists; When the OPRs came online I discovered a fair bit of additional info regarding my mothers family. My g g grandfather, Edmund Spillane married Julia Sullivan from Mynish in 1834. They farmed first in Lower Lissivigeen, then Lissivigeen before moving on and staying in Drumdiralough in the parish of Glenflesk, from the early 1840s onwards. I think that Edmund's family were also related to the McSweeny family of Killarney and Teernaboul. Julia Sullivan's father, Thomas Sullivan, had married Gobinet Counihan in 1805 in the parish of Killarney. On their marriage it stated that Thomas was from Cloghereen - which was a surprise - just above Muckross. Thomas and Gobinet's children were all born in Mynish ( Minish ). There seemed to be an awful lot of Sullivans and Counihans in and around Cloghereen - townland itself and also Upper and Lower, also Gortahoonig, Coolclogher and Faghbane. Gobinet's name crops up frequently as a sponsor on baptisms of other Counihans, Sullivans and Leahys around these townlands. The name Cournane also occurs and I was wondering if this was a version of Counihan? Do any of these surnames and places correspond to anybody else's family? Mary _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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As it seems to be a bit quiet at the moment, I thought that I would put a question on the lists; When the OPRs came online I discovered a fair bit of additional info regarding my mothers family. My g g grandfather, Edmund Spillane married Julia Sullivan from Mynish in 1834. They farmed first in Lower Lissivigeen, then Lissivigeen before moving on and staying in Drumdiralough in the parish of Glenflesk, from the early 1840s onwards. I think that Edmund's family were also related to the McSweeny family of Killarney and Teernaboul. Julia Sullivan's father, Thomas Sullivan, had married Gobinet Counihan in 1805 in the parish of Killarney. On their marriage it stated that Thomas was from Cloghereen - which was a surprise - just above Muckross. Thomas and Gobinet's children were all born in Mynish ( Minish ). There seemed to be an awful lot of Sullivans and Counihans in and around Cloghereen - townland itself and also Upper and Lower, also Gortahoonig, Coolclogher and Faghbane. Gobinet's name crops up frequently as a sponsor on baptisms of other Counihans, Sullivans and Leahys around these townlands. The name Cournane also occurs and I was wondering if this was a version of Counihan? Do any of these surnames and places correspond to anybody else's family? Mary

Hello all. I hope I'm not such a newbie that I missed this before, but on the Irish Genealogy site http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ I was thrilled to find a great deal of information on the pop-up screens. By mistake, I hit the entry line (highlighted in orange) and found that the pop-up box expands on the next page. Also, if you scroll to the bottom of the page, it will tell you if the image has been put online. Imagine my surprise when I found my ggp's marriage certificate online! I tried more of my family and not everything has been imaged "yet," so I can assume more is coming. This will save a lot of time and money requesting copies directly from Ireland. Maureen in beautiful Colorado.

No idea what you are referring to, Liz. Please send me the email address; not to the list. Ray -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 7:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 304 This is the first time I have received a digest that came with a warning that it has not been scanned for virus and had an extension: Mim, which I cannot open. Ray, is this a real Kerry, Rootsweb file, or is someone planting a Trojan on this list? Liz in Space Coast Florida, happy to be back on with my Aol. _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is the first time I have received a digest that came with a warning that it has not been scanned for virus and had an extension: Mim, which I cannot open. Ray, is this a real Kerry, Rootsweb file, or is someone planting a Trojan on this list? Liz in Space Coast Florida, happy to be back on with my Aol.

I just thought I should post an update on this. I have looked at and saved all of your replies to that posting. I have seen no connection between any of these at the moment. Either between myself or any two of you. But I do have a suggestion for all of you. Do what I did. Take a really good look at the online church records. Search by mother's and father's surnames together. Search by each name individually and search by the townland. I found two records that were missed when I searched with the father's name, and one does not make sense. It did not come up using father's surname and the father's last name was 'n/r' but the child's surname was there and they were obviously the same! It did come up however when I searched under the townland of Tullig as well as another that was missed when I searched using names. It was using this database that led me to find the townland where my Mary Kelly came from - Kilmore. That was because she went home for the birth of her first child and the child was baptized there. So now I know that my O'Connors come from that area also. The clue here is to notice that the address of the parents is NOT in the parish of the baptism. For more information on locations look at our very own Kerry website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/index.html Look at the parish maps and townland maps. Print them out and get to know the other townlands in the area you are looking at. It is well worth the effort. I spent two entire weekends and more evenings adding and verifying information on people I found because of this discovery. For the first time in 15 years I found a cousin who is actually and actively researching the same family that I am. At least a branch of the same family! I found her tree on Ancestry.com. What a novel experience for me! And you already know about the cousin I found on the ancestral homeland in Ireland. -- Slán, Marge in wonderfully wet and rainy Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan in Kildare

I recently got a great-aunt's obituary which reads in part, Mrs. Anna Buggle (formerly Nurse Anna O'Connor, RN, Kerry No.3, IRA, Caherciveen, Ireland. I have been told that Anna was very proud of her work with the IRA and treating the wounded. Does anyone know where or if I can find information on IRA, Kerry Brigade No. 3 during the civil war? Thanks Judy

The following message was sent to 95 Kerry List members who use AOL as their internet service. There is a major problem in communications between Rootsweb and AOL. They are disputing each other as to who is at fault. Ray Marshall Kerry List Administrator ----------------------------- Dear Kerry List Subscriber The County Kerry list, in the last two days has had massive unsubscribes for all AOL users. Actually it's been going on for a couple of weeks for other Rootsweb lists. You have been automatically unsubscribed and there is no sense in your resubscribing only to have you unsubbed again. And it doesn't seem that you are getting the routine "you have been unsubscribed" messages. The cause is that Rootsweb message have not been able to be delivered to AOL and they "bounce" back. Too many bounces and people get automatically unsubscribed. Our list hasn't been that active, so I imagine that there has been more to it than that. But maybe as little as a dozen or so "bounces" will caused the unsubscribe. This procedure is set up to eliminate recipients who have died or changed addresses and who have neglected to inform Rootsweb of the change. When you have millions of messages going out, this can relieve a lot of the pressure on the computers. There is a dispute as to whether this is AOL's problem, or Rootsweb's, and until this is resolved as to whoever is at fault, and the fix made, there is nothing I, as the Kerry List Administrator, or anyone else can do about it. I have copied the addresses of the unsubscribed AOL subscribers and I am emailing you now with a suggestion that you might want to consider: Begin using another free service, like Google's Gmail, so you can get back on the list getting messages. Gmail also has a very good spam program. And it would be very easy for you to forward your Gmail messages to AOL so that you could continue to read and manage Rootsweb messages as you have been. Other services like Yahoo, Comcast and Hotmail have also had [hacking] problems, so it might be wise not to use them, either. If you have been working on a genealogical problem with someone with an AOL address, you'd better for the immediate future contact them directly rather than through the any Rootsweb list. A version of this message has been sent to the non-AOL members of the list also because I want this information in the Kerry archives if AOL members look there for messages they didn't receive. You can pass this informtion to other people you know with AOL addresses or to other Rootsweb lists to which you subscribe. You have my permission to pass this message on to other Rootsweb lists to which you subscribe if nobody has reported this yet. I received it from the Administrator of the Tipperary and Waterfrod lists and modified it for us. Ray Marshall Minneapolis IRL-Kerry Rootsweb List Administrator If you choose to change to a Gmail or other service address, this is how you may resubscribe to the Kerry list: To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, where you generally get only one message a day unless the message volume is very heavy, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes, only in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Regular version of the list, where you get every message as it is sent, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes, only in the subject and the body of the message. Note: I'm not sure right now if any Rootsweb messages are getting through right now, November 17, to any email address. If you don't want to make any changes and are content to wait until the problem is resolved, you could occasionally monitor the Kerry List Archives by visiting them to see if message of interest to you have been posted. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/IRL-KERRY/

Every Rootsweb list has had massive unsubscribes for AOL users, including the County Kerry list. They have been automatically unsubscribed and there is no sense putting them back on only to have them unsubbed again. And it doesn't seem that they are getting the routine "you have been unsubscribed" messages for some unknown reason. This is all AOL's problem, not Rootsweb's, and until AOL fixes whatever it is, there is nothing Rootsweb nor I can do about it. We lost the single subbers first and today all the AOL digest users are gone because Rootsweb's computers will only take so many bounces [unable to deliver to this AOL user] before it unsubs the person. There is no hint that AOL can fix their problems, or at least not anytime soon. I do have the addresses of those AOL subscribers and I am going to write to all these people when I get the time and ask them to consider using another free service, like Google's Gmail service, so we can get them back on the list getting messages. Gmail also has a very good spam program, for others who might be interested. Yahoo and Comcast and Hotmail have also had [hacking] problems, so it would be wise not to use them, either. But it will take me some time to transcribe all of the unsubscribed email addresses. If you have been working with someone with an AOL address, you'd better for the immediate future contact them directly rather than through the list. I am sending this to the non-AOL members of the list also because I want this information in the Kerry archives if AOL individuals look there for messages they didn't receive. An so you can pass the informtion to others you know with AOL addresses or to other Rootsweb lists to which you subscribe. You have my permissiion to pass this message on to other Rootsweb lists to which you subscribe if nobody has reported this yet. I received it from the Administrator of the Tipperary and Waterfrod lists and modified it for us. Ray Marshall Minneapolis IRL-Kerry Rootsweb List Administrator

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Hi Sherrie, Unfortunately, I do not have any info at the moment about where Timothy and his other children were born, only Ireland. I was sent a printout of a census of Mons. showing a Timothy Felscharold, widower, with 2 daughters Eleanor,b.1825 and Mary Ann b.1835. This looks like him but cannot trace his movements until Mary Ann married Thomas HOOLEY in SwanseA 1857. No mention of Eleanor anywhere, even in Mary Anns childrens namesOn her marriage certificate, she is shown as being born in Ireland, but I have thought that maybe she was really born in Wales with her parents from Ireland. Checked this out but no results. Timothy was shown as a widower in all the cencuses I have seen until his marriage to his housekeeper in 1865 and dying in 1872 all Swansea. I have both these certificates and have searched them for clues but only Ireland mentioned as birthplace.. He named his father as Redmond but cannot find him at the present Lots of interruptions at the moment so not getting too much searching done. So if anyone on this list can point me in the right direction I would be most grateful. Thanks for you reply Sherrie, Kind regards, Mary Original Message ----- From: "Sherrie Blackman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Finding ancestors in Ireland without a tip > Hi Mary, > > Have you purchased any of Timothy's children's birth certificates? > > For years my GGG Murphy just had Cork, Ireland on all his documents too. > > I had all his 12 children from the indexes, however 10 yrs later (and for > another reason) > I purchased one of the children's birth certificates and it gave me the > town in the County. :) > > You might just be lucky enough to find a County mentioned on one of > the children's Birth certificates. > > Kind regards, > Sherrie. > --- > http://www.silkweb.com.au/ > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:05:59 +1100, Mary <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Sadly not so true for me Ray. I have the death certificate of my Great >> Great >> Grandfather, Timothy Fitzgerald in Swansea in 1872 but still shows his >> birth >> place as Ireland no county mentioned. >> Kind regards, >> Mary in Nth Queensland where it is still showering and driving the >> canefarmers nuts trying to harvest the sugarcane. >> > > -- > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the > Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a > wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is > at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Mary, Have you purchased any of Timothy's children's birth certificates? For years my GGG Murphy just had Cork, Ireland on all his documents too. I had all his 12 children from the indexes, however 10 yrs later (and for another reason) I purchased one of the children's birth certificates and it gave me the town in the County. :) You might just be lucky enough to find a County mentioned on one of the children's Birth certificates. Kind regards, Sherrie. --- http://www.silkweb.com.au/ On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:05:59 +1100, Mary <[email protected]> wrote: > Sadly not so true for me Ray. I have the death certificate of my Great > Great > Grandfather, Timothy Fitzgerald in Swansea in 1872 but still shows his > birth > place as Ireland no county mentioned. > Kind regards, > Mary in Nth Queensland where it is still showering and driving the > canefarmers nuts trying to harvest the sugarcane. > --

Mary, I have found the same thing on many death certificates and some marriage certificates where it just "Ireland" or for the other side of my family "Italy" However, in most of the cases the obituaries were full of detailed information, for those who had obits any way. Judy In a message dated 11/9/2010 10:07:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Sadly not so true for me Ray. I have the death certificate of my Great Great Grandfather, Timothy Fitzgerald in Swansea in 1872 but still shows his birth place as Ireland no county mentioned. Kind regards, Mary in Nth Queensland where it is still showering and driving the canefarmers nuts trying to harvest the sugarcane. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Marshall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Kerry List" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Finding ancestors in Ireland without a tip > Darlene: > > Don't be depressed. > > Almost never do people find the homes of their ancestor in Ireland by > searching in Ireland. You need to find clues in the U.S., or Oz, or > wherever. > > I found my Scanlon ancestors in Waterford because one of them carved his > own > tombstone and he put "Waterford" on it. > > I found my ancestors in Meenleitrim North, Knocknagoshel, becuae I had two > elderly aunts who knew where their dad was born. > > Places to look when you are trying to find your roots in Ireland are death > certificates, cemetery records, church records, obits, News articles, > vanity > biography books (it says in one of those for a cousin that he was born in > Kerry), scraps of paper from other people's genealogy notes (On an > unsigned > Family Record Sheet I found an entry saying that a gg-gm was from > Listowel. > I found her in nearby Duagh), newspaper articles, military records, > insurance policies, etc. > > If you have an ancestor who lived in a town with a newspaper that got > microfilmed, Genealogybank.com might have scanned every article in that > paper. > > You can browse it for free, seeing the headlines of the articles that > might > give you an indication as to something involving an ancestor. I've got > one > front page huge type article reporting on the death of a cousin who was > shot > dead while going for a walk with somebody else's wife. As far as I know > the > crime was never solved. But the police did talk to the obvious suspect. > > > Ray > Where he has been busy blogging and politicking in this run up to the > elections in Minneapolis. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] GenealogyBank, a leading online newspaper > archive reports Over 700 Million Family History Records Now Online. > > > This all sounds great and wish I could use it!! But with no knowledge > of where my 2 blockbusters lived in "Ireland" it seems hopeless to me. > One is better cause I at least have some idea of where he might have > come from with supposed dates: County Clare. The other, absolutely > no idea as to when, where, etc. > > I envy all of you who have access to and can use the available info.!!! > > Darlene > > > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the > Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a > wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. 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Eastman's On-line Genealogy Newsletter http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/11/familypedia-the-bigge st-genealogy-site-you-probably-never-heard-of.html Familypedia: the Biggest Genealogy Site You Probably Never Heard Of Are you familiar with Familypedia, a web site with 84,983 online articles about deceased individuals plus another 106,312 genealogy-related pages? Familypedia is a wiki, part of the commercial Wikia site. It is a place where YOU can create articles about your ancestors and easily link them to other articles about where and when they lived. The site is primarily text-based with biographical pages about deceased individuals. In some cases, you can find pictures of individuals as well as pedigree charts, maps, and other graphics. In most cases, each deceased person has a separate web page giving details about his or her life and also containing hyperlinks to other web pages that contain information about the person's relatives. Entire families can be hyperlinked together. Familypedia can be used alone as a separate service, or it can be linked via hyperlinks to other online services, such as Ancestry.com, FamilySearch.org, or independent web pages created by individuals. Because the Familypedia web site has a wiki format, you can work collaboratively with others to create a network of articles about your ancestors and about those they lived and worked with. The site has no constraints on where the data resides, so you can provide links to your ancestors on whatever web sites host the information. Before you start entering your own ancestors on Familypedia, you will want to see if there is already some information about them or their family. To find existing information, you can go to http://www.familypedia.wikia.com and use the search box. However, a more organized search method is to use the Surnames Index, Birth Country Index, Death Country Index, Birth Decade Index, or Death Decade Index, all found on the same home page. I started by searching on my own surname and found a number of individuals listed. However, they were not tied together as a "family" but appeared to be somewhat random listings. As I tried other surnames from my own family tree, I found several families linked together with a lot of information. All information on Familypedia is contributed by users, so we can expect the quantity and quality of information to vary widely. Since anyone can edit a wiki, I could jump right into collaboration mode even though I don’t know the other contributors personally. I could add to their information about the individuals I have researched, change anything I knew to be incorrect, or create a new web page for other individuals and link them to related people. In short, Familypedia and other wikis are truly democratic communities. Any user can create a new web page for any individual at any time. Perhaps even better, any user can also edit each existing page. If you have supplemental information about an individual you find already listed, or if you wish to correct an error on a page, you can do so within seconds. If you can type and click, you can edit almost every page in a wiki. Of course, such anarchy invites spam, graffiti, and other junk to be added by uncaring users. Like most wikis, Familypedia easily handles such junk. Multiple copies are saved for each page on the site. When you visit a page, the latest version is displayed. If you see inappropriate content, you (or anyone else) can click on EDIT and then on SHOW CHANGES to show the various revisions. Finally, click on the last unmolested web page to revert to that version. It actually takes more time to create graffiti than it does to delete it. Therefore, spammers and other unwelcome "guests" soon lose interest and move on to other pastures. Each and every user becomes an editor, able to delete unwanted content within seconds. Likewise, if anyone deletes good content, a click on EDIT and then on SHOW CHANGES will show all the different revisions, including those previously deleted. With a few more mouseclicks, any deleted pages can be restored in seconds. The reality is that Familypedia, Wikipedia, and other online wikis receive very little spam or other unwanted junk. The self-policing by users works well as long as there are plenty of users. The more popular the site becomes, the better the self-policing effort works. Unlike some other wikis, Familypedia allows anyone to add or correct information, even without creating an account. However, there are advantages to creating a free account. For one thing, your free account lets you register a user name for yourself. Becoming known under that user name means that you will be able to gain reputation and recognition in the community when others see your user name as the person who made the changes. Registered users also can do more with the site; they can upload pictures, create personal "watchlists" to keep an eye on favorite articles, be notified of changes by email, and other advanced features. User names can be whatever you choose, within a few common sense limits (no profanity, no spam, etc.) and can be fully anonymous. Other users will not see your real name, address, telephone number, or other personal information. However, registered users may optionally create a user talk page where others can contact them. Information shown on a talk page can include as much or as little information as each person wishes to share. Familypedia is a part of the family of wikis available at Wikia.com. Other wikis on the same service are devoted to television shows, movies, food, fashion, environmental sustainability, online games, lifestyle, and many other topics. In fact, if you want to start a new wiki about a topic that is not covered by an existing wiki, you can do so within seconds. Wikia is supported by advertising, so the site is free for all users. If you have an interest in genealogy wikis, you will want to check out the free Familypedia at http://www.familypedia.wikia.com To see a typical web page about a person, look at Barack Obama's page at http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Barack_Obama_%281961%29 OK, so perhaps that is not a "typical" page; but, it does illustrate the sort of page that you can create for any or all of your ancestors. It includes pictures, a biography, links to relatives, and even a scanned image of his signature. Clicking on the name of any of Obama's relatives takes you to a page for that person. Familypedia strongly suggests that you only create pages for deceased individuals or for public figures, such as the President of the United States. For more information, go to http://www.familypedia.wikia.com and click on GETTING STARTED and also on TUTORIAL.