Hello all and Happy New Year (a bit late!!) While I was looking for something else in the National Library catalogue I came across these photos taken around 1888 in the Glenbeigh area. They may be of interest to somebody. http://catalogue.nli.ie/Author/Home?author=Guy%2C+Francis Clare -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 377 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Declan, I'd love to know the title of that book and I'd love to have a san of Garanafulla townland from it, if it covers the area near Waterville. Lookin for the old Dennehy's. Whenever anyone mentions snow in Ireland, I think of the final scene in John Houston's The Dead, based on Joyce's the Dubliners. Powerful film. On Jan 15, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Declan O'Connor wrote: > Thanks for reply,Bernie > > In my 1930's ( Gaelic ) book, I see 25 local names for > topographical features in ..Minard West. > > The names of these townland features often connect with earlier > residents/occupiers,and can sometimes help with

Both my Mother's parents settled in the Holyoke area. gm Bridget/Bertha Mara (age 3) came over with her Father, ggf Timothy Cornelius Mara in 1883 into Boston. I have some references to the Mara's in the Killarney area, but no info on Timothy's wife. gf John Dorman was born in US, ggp came to US in 1840's, but may have come thru NY. Best info is the Dorman's came from County Cork. I found the initial migration of my father's side (Clark and Gough) from Bailieborough, County Caven in the 1840's. Settled in Ware, MA. If any one has any information on the Mara's or Dorman's it would be greatly appreciated. Jack Clark, Rio Vista, CA On 1/15/11 2:56 PM, "Declan O'Connor" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for reply,Bernie > > In my 1930's ( Gaelic ) book, I see 25 local names for topographical > features in ..Minard West. > > The names of these townland features often connect with earlier > residents/occupiers,and can sometimes help with > gen-research.. ( like....'Tom Moynihan's field..). The Book is a 'snapshot' or > repeat of the people-listing in 'Griffith's Valuation.' > > I don't see any which were named after your gen- families . The only personal > one was 'Saunders' well', > located on the east side of..Minard West townland, and opposite the houses in > the adjacent townland > of.....Glenminard. > > In the property census ( 'Griffith's Valuation') of the early 1850's..Thomas > Moynihan...Peter and Patrick Kennedy, > and Peter Curran(e) feature as..House Occupiers . > > West-Kerry emigration to the U.S. ..meant..Springfield/Holyoke ,initially. > This emigration destination probably started with only a few emigrants. > > In the folklore of my family, there was one dedicated Sunday-Mass there, where > the homily and announcements > were in the Irish(Gaelic) language..an ethnic Mass.of sorts..( Latin was the > mandatory Mass-language,then ) > up to the 1930's. > > Dec.. > > ( from a finally snow-free Ireland . ) > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish > genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide > audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message Jack Clark 707.688.1500 [email protected]

To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: Spelling of surnames Diane asked about the spelling of Fallahee/ Falvey. Patrick Woulfe's book on Irish names and surnames (see http://www.libraryireland.com/names/of/o-failbhe.php ) the name Falvey is shown as O ' Failbhe - one could easily see how it could be transcribed as Fallahee. (sorry about the missing accents- haven't worked out how to do them on my computer!) Sandra J

Ray, Thank you for that helpful information. Neither of the links will take you directly to the items but doing a search produced http://search.archives.gov/query.html?qt=women+and+naturalisation&submit=GO& col=1arch&col=social&qc=1arch&qc=social Which I think is what you referred to. Can you confirm this is the case please. Kind regards in warm and humid NSW with no floods or indeed rain. Fred .. And you are welcome here but only if you are prepared to help in breaking down the Richard Hickson brick wall. Have a cool day. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Marshall Sent: Saturday, 15 January 2011 11:26 AM To: [email protected]; Kerry List Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] question abt. naturalization, c. early 1840's Marybeth Here are two articles from the National Archives (US) web page that shows the complexity of the issue). http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1998/summer/women-and-naturali zation-1.html http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1998/summer/women-and-naturali zation-2.html In general, women assumed the citizenship of their husband in the days before women received the right to vote. If they travelled by themselves, they would remain an "alien" until they married a US citizen. But some states might have let them vote in school or municipal elections. And if he died or they divorced and she remarried a non-citizen, she (and the children) would assume the citizenship of the new husband. But it is more complex than that so check those two articles. "Unless a woman was single or widowed, she had few reasons to naturalize prior to the twentieth century. Women, foreign-born or native, could not vote. Until the mid-nineteenth century, women typically did not hold property or appear as "persons" before the law. Under these circumstances, only widows and spinsters would be expected to seek the protections U.S. citizenship might afford. One might also remember that naturalization involved the payment of court fees. Without any tangible benefit resulting from a woman's naturalization, it is doubtful that many women or their husbands considered the fees to be money well spent." ---------------------- "Happily, Congress was at work and on September 22, 1922, passed the Married Women's Act, also known as the Cable Act. This 1922 law finally gave each woman a nationality of her own. No marriage since that date has granted U.S. citizenship to any alien woman nor taken it from any U.S.-born women who married an alien eligible to naturalization.(11) Under the new law women became eligible to naturalize on (almost) the same terms as men." Ray Marshall Where it is still snowing and I'm very tired of it in Minneapolis. Anybody have a spare bedroom so I can move south for three months? <GR>

Ray I have a spare room, but you might want to note that the wonderful sunny South has been hit hard by the winter this year as well. We are recovering from another (2nd this year) freeze from 32 deg. weather, and one as low as 28 deg. We are in the warm back up, stage now. The good part is that we have no snow and no shoveling. Complain as we do, it is probably a whole lot better then in your neck of the woods. Liz in sunny Florida at 51 deg. this morning. In a message dated 1/15/2011 3:00:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: [email protected]

Greetings from Ireland That's terrific research, Ed, Killshannig : In Gaelic,it means the resting place of..Seanoch ( phonetic), an early Irish 'saint' I think there were no official saints,in Christian orthodoxy, until the 12th.century. Ceannduihe : This was not a Townland. It was in the north-west corner of..Kilshannig Townland, and means,in Gaelic, an area close to a sand dune. Every field,rock, and topographical point of reference had their own special names and identities in the closed Gaelic-speaking society of West-Kerry. O'Connors, fall for O'Connors ?...Fact!...not..Fiction.. Your gen-story resonates...one of my grand-aunts ( an O'Connor, from ..Ventry ) emigrated to..Holyoke in the early 20th.Century, and married a' local' ( West-Kerry ) O'Connor man,there. Dec.. ( 14 days returnee, back home from Las Vegas......Sadder, but Wiser...)

Fred (and others) You can see that the links are broken. Copy and paste them to your browser and they should work fine. But the first two items in the link that you found are the correct articles. Ray -----Original Message----- From: Fred [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 7:43 PM To: 'Ray Marshall'; [email protected]; 'Kerry List' Subject: RE: [IRL-KERRY] question abt. naturalization, c. early 1840's Ray, Thank you for that helpful information. Neither of the links will take you directly to the items but doing a search produced http://search.archives.gov/query.html?qt=women+and+naturalisation&submit=GO& col=1arch&col=social&qc=1arch&qc=social Which I think is what you referred to. Can you confirm this is the case please. Kind regards in warm and humid NSW with no floods or indeed rain. Fred .. And you are welcome here but only if you are prepared to help in breaking down the Richard Hickson brick wall. Have a cool day. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Marshall Sent: Saturday, 15 January 2011 11:26 AM To: [email protected]; Kerry List Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] question abt. naturalization, c. early 1840's Marybeth Here are two articles from the National Archives (US) web page that shows the complexity of the issue). http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1998/summer/women-and-naturali zation-1.html http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1998/summer/women-and-naturali zation-2.html In general, women assumed the citizenship of their husband in the days before women received the right to vote. If they travelled by themselves, they would remain an "alien" until they married a US citizen. But some states might have let them vote in school or municipal elections. And if he died or they divorced and she remarried a non-citizen, she (and the children) would assume the citizenship of the new husband. But it is more complex than that so check those two articles. "Unless a woman was single or widowed, she had few reasons to naturalize prior to the twentieth century. Women, foreign-born or native, could not vote. Until the mid-nineteenth century, women typically did not hold property or appear as "persons" before the law. Under these circumstances, only widows and spinsters would be expected to seek the protections U.S. citizenship might afford. One might also remember that naturalization involved the payment of court fees. Without any tangible benefit resulting from a woman's naturalization, it is doubtful that many women or their husbands considered the fees to be money well spent." ---------------------- "Happily, Congress was at work and on September 22, 1922, passed the Married Women's Act, also known as the Cable Act. This 1922 law finally gave each woman a nationality of her own. No marriage since that date has granted U.S. citizenship to any alien woman nor taken it from any U.S.-born women who married an alien eligible to naturalization.(11) Under the new law women became eligible to naturalize on (almost) the same terms as men." Ray Marshall Where it is still snowing and I'm very tired of it in Minneapolis. Anybody have a spare bedroom so I can move south for three months? <GR> ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11

Thanks to everyone that posted answers to my questions and found some family for me. It is the most progress I have had in years, and now with the churchrecords online I can search Kerry and am finding supposed family outside of Muhrer (Newtownsandes) and Duagh. I am aware of the Irish naming patterns and I know that is a fairly good guide to helping to find family. One of my questions is that was there a pattern for godparents? Were grandparents sometimes used, and was there an order for that. My ggggrandmother's maiden name was according to family Fallahee, but I am finding nothing under that spelling, but getting considerable hits from the name Falvey. I know the rules to consider is that people back then often spelled names phonetically, esp when they came to USA with the accents and spelling of the people checking the immgrants into the country, because the info on Fallahee came from someone in the USA MY last question is since I am finding people in other areas than I expected, is it likely that they might have been from other counties such as Limerick / I have checked Limerick on the church records site and found nothing of the O'Connors. How far down in the county should I look? Did people frequently marry from far away? Thanks for past and any information you can share with me.

Thanks for the information on the place names. I was interested to see the link to Holyoke. There seem to be a lot of people who went from Dingle area to Holyoke. Most of my family was from one small townland - Minard West, Corkaguiny, Dingle, Kerry. They were Sullivan, Moynihan, Currane, Hanifin for sure. Would love to know if anyone out there has the same Minard West townland link. Emmigration was anywhere from 1850ish to 1913 or so. Thanks for any input. Bernie in snowbound New Hamphire. On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Declan O'Connor <[email protected]> wrote: > Greetings from Ireland > > That's terrific research, Ed, > > Killshannig :  In Gaelic,it means the resting place of..Seanoch ( phonetic), an early Irish 'saint' > >                      I think there were no official saints,in Christian orthodoxy, until the 12th.century. > > Ceannduihe : This was not a Townland. It was in the north-west corner of..Kilshannig Townland, > >                        and means,in Gaelic, an area close to a sand dune. > >                               Every field,rock, and topographical point of reference had their own special names and identities > >                       in the  closed Gaelic-speaking society of West-Kerry. > > O'Connors,  fall for  O'Connors ?...Fact!...not..Fiction.. > > Your gen-story resonates...one of my grand-aunts ( an O'Connor, from ..Ventry ) emigrated to..Holyoke in > > the early 20th.Century, and married a' local'  ( West-Kerry ) O'Connor man,there. > > > Dec.. > > ( 14 days  returnee, back home from Las Vegas......Sadder, but Wiser...) > _______________ > --------------- >

Marybeth Here are two articles from the National Archives (US) web page that shows the complexity of the issue). http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1998/summer/women-and-naturali zation-1.html http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1998/summer/women-and-naturali zation-2.html In general, women assumed the citizenship of their husband in the days before women received the right to vote. If they travelled by themselves, they would remain an "alien" until they married a US citizen. But some states might have let them vote in school or municipal elections. And if he died or they divorced and she remarried a non-citizen, she (and the children) would assume the citizenship of the new husband. But it is more complex than that so check those two articles. "Unless a woman was single or widowed, she had few reasons to naturalize prior to the twentieth century. Women, foreign-born or native, could not vote. Until the mid-nineteenth century, women typically did not hold property or appear as "persons" before the law. Under these circumstances, only widows and spinsters would be expected to seek the protections U.S. citizenship might afford. One might also remember that naturalization involved the payment of court fees. Without any tangible benefit resulting from a woman's naturalization, it is doubtful that many women or their husbands considered the fees to be money well spent." ---------------------- "Happily, Congress was at work and on September 22, 1922, passed the Married Women's Act, also known as the Cable Act. This 1922 law finally gave each woman a nationality of her own. No marriage since that date has granted U.S. citizenship to any alien woman nor taken it from any U.S.-born women who married an alien eligible to naturalization.(11) Under the new law women became eligible to naturalize on (almost) the same terms as men." Ray Marshall Where it is still snowing and I'm very tired of it in Minneapolis. Anybody have a spare bedroom so I can move south for three months? <GR> -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-KERRY] question abt. naturalization, c. early 1840's Listers: I have a naturalization question. In our DOLAN ancestry there were three siblings who came to the US together (sometime in the early to mid 1840's): an older brother, b. 1822; a sister, b. 1825; and a brother, b. 1826. For the naturalization process (none were married when they came here) would the two male siblings be naturalized and the female not naturalized? My understanding is that females were not naturalized who were accompanied by their husbands, but if the woman was single how was this handled? If later here in the US, she married an Irish immigrant, was she then automatically naturalized if the husband became a citizen? Hope I am making myself clear, as I am trying to find them on Footnote's naturalization link. Any help or ideas greatly appreciated. Marybeth [email protected] _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11

Listers: I have a naturalization question. In our DOLAN ancestry there were three siblings who came to the US together (sometime in the early to mid 1840's): an older brother, b. 1822; a sister, b. 1825; and a brother, b. 1826. For the naturalization process (none were married when they came here) would the two male siblings be naturalized and the female not naturalized? My understanding is that females were not naturalized who were accompanied by their husbands, but if the woman was single how was this handled? If later here in the US, she married an Irish immigrant, was she then automatically naturalized if the husband became a citizen? Hope I am making myself clear, as I am trying to find them on Footnote's naturalization link. Any help or ideas greatly appreciated. Marybeth [email protected]

Searching for the following families in Kerry: Any information on these families would be appreciated. Thanks, Carol John Fitzgerald / Joanna Clifford [Cluvane] marriage, Castlemaine: 5 Feb 1859 John Fitzgerald and Joanna Cluvane, [no parents given], witnesses Patrick McCarthy, Daniel Griffin Children: 1. Maurice Fitzgerald born 10 Dec 1859 Gurraeune, Castlemaine, son of John Fitzgerald / Joanna Cluvane, witnesses: Michael Cluvane, Bridget Fitzgerald 2. John Fitzgerald born 27 Mar 1864 Gurrane, Castlemaine, son of John Fitzgerald / Joanna Cluvane, witnesses: Patrick Kerisk, Bridget Kerisk [NOTE: Irish Genealogy records show a Patrick Kerisk b.1835 Gurrans, Castlemaine, son of John Kerisk / Margaret Fitzgerald, 5 children found for this couple] 3. Michael Fitzgerald born 6 Oct 1866 Gurrane, Castlemaine, son of John Fitzgerald / Joanna Clifford, witnesses: Michael Clifford, Margaret Connor NOTE: Clifford couple: Timothy Clifford x Margaret Conner has a son Michael, b. Milltown, see below] Timothy Clifford / Cluvane x Margaret Connor, family at Milltown area Children: 1. Timothy Clifford, born 1 May 1827 Cuilliney, Milltown, witnesses: James Clifford, Catherine Connor 2. Michael Clifford, born 8 Dec 1829 Culliney, Milltown, witnesses: James Clifford, Mary Clifford 3. Mary Cluvane, born 14 Aug 1831 Kilburn, Milltown, witnesses: John Cluvane, Johanna White Timothy Cluvane / Clifford x Mary Connor 4. Ellen Cluvane, born 8 Jul 1843 Ardmilode, Milltown [parents Timothy Cluvane x Mary Connor, witness Margaret Connor]. NOTE: searching for a daughter Joanna b. abt 1840 Robert Fitzgerald x Mary Lyne, family at Ballyarkane, Castlemaine area Marriage: Robert Fitzgerald and Mary Lyne 27 Mar 1818 Castledrum, Castlemaine, witnesses: Maurice Lyne, Laurence Griffin Children: 1. Gearld Fitzgerald born 5 Feb 1819 Connofully, Castlemaine, Robert Fitzgerald x Mary Lyne, witnesses: Gerald Fitzgerald, Mary Lyne 2. Robert Fitzgerald born 8 Dec 1820 Connopolly, Castlemaine, Robert Fitzgerald x Mary Lyne, witnesses: James Mahoney, Honora Moriarty 3. Maurice Fitzgerald born 19 Sep 1822 Conobolly, Castlemaine, Robert Fitzgerald x Mary Lyne, witnesses: Demot Lyne, Mary O'Brien [married to Maurice Lyne bef. 1835 Castlemaine "Mary Brien"] NOTE: a Dermot Flynn married to JohannaFitzgerald at Cunnifolly, Castlemaine, son Thomas 1819 witnesses: Abraham Gennis, Mary Lyne John Fitzgerald x Catherine Lyne Children: 1. John Fitzgerald 5 Jul 1838 Gurtaleen, Castlemaine, witnesses: Daniel Griffin, Bridget Sullivan Michael Fitzgerald x Mary Crean 1. John Fitzgerald 27 Mar 1837 Ballyarkane, Castlemaine, witnesses: Brian Higgins, Ellen Fitzgerald 2. Michael Fitzgerald 5 Nov 1838 Ballyarkane, Castlemaine, witnesses: James Trant, Ellen Hawten 3. Ellen Fitzgerald 28 Aug 1841 Ballyarkane, Castlemaine, witnesses: Thomas Shea, Ellen Murphy John Kerisk x Margaret Fitzgerald Married 1 Jul 1835 Castlemaine, witnesses: Florence Mitchell, ? Mitchell Children: 1. Patrick 13 Dec 1835, Gurrans, Castlemaine, witnesses: Thomas Breen, Margaret Fitzgerald 2. Mary 8 Jun 1838 Grane, Castlemaine, witnesses: Johanna Collis 3. Margaret 4 Apr 1858 Gurrawn, Castlemaine, witnesses: Willam Sullivan, Mary O'Connor

The New year seems an appropriate time to re-post family interests regarding the O'Connor/Connor families of which there are many in my family tree. Denis O'Connor married Hanora/Honora Houlihan on February 26, 1862 in Ballyferriter, Kerry. Denis was a schoolmaster who taught at the National School in Ballyquin until his death on July 27, 1881 at the Dingle workhouse/hospital. In the marriage record was no mention of the names of either of Denis' parents. However, I have found that Hanora Houlihan's parents were Patrick Houlihan and Catherine Goggin. From records at the Irish genealogy site I have found that Catherine Goggin's parents were James Goggin and Mary Lucitt. Denis and Hanora had a total of nine children including my great grandfather Patrick who was baptized in 1863 in Castlegregory. When Denis died in 1881(approximate age-50), the family and surviving children(8) moved to various communities in western Massachusetts. The eight surviving children were Patrick, Denis, Mary, Katherine, John, Ellen(Nellie), Annie( probably Hanora)and Margaret. All were baptized in Castlegregory in a range between 1863 and 1879. Patrick O'Connor my great grandfather married Catherine O'Connor in Palmer, Massachusetts in 1890. Catherine's parents were Martin O'Connor and Mary Flahive if my research is correct. Catherine's family were from Caher/Cahir Castlegregory. Catherine was baptized in 1865; one of 8 children including Honora, Martin, Cornelius, Mary, Mary, Michael and Michael. The children were born in a range between 1854 and 1867. Both Catherine and Martin emigrated to western Massachusetts. Family lore has it that one or more of the other children emigrated to upper New York State and to New Zealand. Mary O'Connor, Patrick's sister and my great grandaunt married Patrick O'Connor in Holyoke, Massachusetts in 1888. Patrick was born in Magherabeg( many different spellings) and was baptized in Castlegregory. His parents were John O'Connor and Mary Courtney(Cournane). Siblings included Daniel, Ellen, John, Johanna, Jeremiah, Thomas, Margaret, Michael, and Mary. All were baptized in Castlegregory between 1859 and 1877. Besides Patrick, Daniel also emigrated to Holyoke, MA. He is buried with Patrick and Mary and many of their children. This O'Connor family is also associated with the townlands of Ceandeeha(sp?) and Kilshannig West. This Patrick's first wife, Mary O'Connor O'Connor, my great grandaunt died on July 4, 1902After a short time, Patrick married a second Mary O'Connor who MAY have been from Killarney...Not sure about that. This Mary's parents were James O'Connor and Mary Coakley. Patrick and Mary continued to live in Holyoke, MA. Finally, Annie( Hanora) O'Connor another of my great grandaunts married John J. Connor in Massachusetts. They had one son, John E. Connor whose surviving family live in the Pittsfield/Dalton area of western Mass. John J. Connor's parents were William Connor and Annie Mahan. Both MAY have been from Ireland although I have yet to find a marriage record. William and Annie married here in the US and when Annie died, William re-married to Margaret Kelly. It appears that from William and Margaret's marriage record here in the US, William Connor's parents were Richard Connor and Bridget Timmons. That's probably more than enough O'Connors for anyone to have to research..... Belated Happy New Year Ed O'Connor

Are the Tithe Applotment records for County Kerry available online? Sherry Stafford ________________________________

Ray Marshall wrote that he'd appreciate hearing from any Enright researchers. Diocese of KERRY , Parish of BALLYLONGFORD R.C. Baptism of EDWARD FLAVIHAN of LITTER on 1 July 1849 (Assumed) Name EDWARD FLAVIHAN Date of Birth 1 July 1849 (Based on other date information) Address LITTER Father THOMAS FLAVIHAN Mother HANORA ENRIGHT Father Occupation NR Sponsor 1 JOHN MAHONY Sponsor 2 ALICE WREN Priest REV.M.MCMAHON Book Number Page Entry Number N/R 88 N/R I knew that my gr-grandfather was Edward Thomas Flavin, the son of Thomas Flavin. In this record I learned that my gr-gr-grandmother was HANORA ENRIGHT. Perhaps this explains why EDWARD FLAVIN went about 90 miles for a bride. (Pete, is Kilcolgan really about 90 miles from Litter?) My gr-grandmother was ELLEN ENRIGHT. KERRY (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - TARBERT Marriage of EDMOND FLAHIVAN of LITTER and ELLEN ENRIGHT of KILCOLGAN on 29 January 1872 Husband Wife Name EDMOND FLAHIVAN ELLEN ENRIGHT Address LITTER KILCOLGAN Occupation NR NR Father THOMAS FLAHIVAN JOSEPH ENRIGHT Mother NR NR NR NR Further details in the record Priest REV. D. FOLEY Husband's Father's Occupation NR Witness 1 STEPHEN DEENIHAN Witness 2 MICHAEL ENRIGHT About the record Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier 1 14 N/R KY-RC-MA-77846 I found another record for JOSEPH ENRIGHT Area - KERRY (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - BALLYLONGFORD Baptism of BRIDGET ENRIGHT of KILCOLGAN on 14 January 1844 Name BRIDGET ENRIGHT Date of Birth 14 January 1844 (BASED ON OTHER DATE INFORMATION) Address KILCOLGAN Father JOSEPH ENRIGHT Mother HONORA FEIGH Bridget could possibly be Ellen's sister. I did not find ELLEN ENRIGHT's baptismal certificate. When she died in 1912, her husband listed on her death certificate her parents' names as Denis Enright and Mary Fee. How would an Irish native pronounce FEE/FEIGH? How would FEE and FEIGH sound to an American filling out the death certificate? I never knew my grandparents, but I do recall old Irish relatives saying TAY for TEA. Or were they just kidding? . Kay Timmons

I contacted Irishgenealogy.ie and thanked them for posting the information re my ancestors. I mentioned that the baptismal information for my grandfather, Edward Flavin, was not posted and that I had his birth certficate stating he was born June 13, 1880 in the townland of Litter. I also wrote that the baptismal record for his brother, John Flavin b. June 1879, did not contain the date. I offered to contact the cemetery where John Flavin is buried, in the Flavin family plot, to get his date of birth. I received the following reply: Many thanks for your comments. There is no provision to currently amend any suspected errors or omissions in the transcribed records available. However any suspected errors or omissions will be retained on file should an opportunity arise in the future to investigate any such suspected errors or omissions. [1][email protected] I do plan to contact the office of St. Agnes Cemetery in Syracuse and get the exact date of John Flavin's birth and forward this info via the above link. Kay Timmons References 1. file://localhost/tmp/tmp1UwbFk.html

Try this: Brian Connor bap Moyvane 29 Sep 1822 http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/c077b41801676 Murhur is the civil parish in which Moyvane or Newtown Sandes is the ecclesiastical parish. John Buckley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Kern" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:37 PM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Kerry family > My ancestor Bryan O'Connor, approx, birth date, 1830, supposedly of > county Kerry, parish Muhrer, is no where to be found so far. Even > relatives who have visited Ireland have not found him or his family. How > likely is it that back in those times, Muhrer being so close to county > Limerick, that we are all looking at the wrong area. I have tried to > research Limerick with no success, but also have had trouble with various > townlands > Bryan;s wife, who he married in the USA, Margaret Keefe, supposedly from > Duagh has no records that I can find either. Any suggestions from anyone > on where I should be looking. According to my research, Murher and Duagh > were approx. 5 miles apart. I do not know how accessible people of those > times were to other villages 5 miles apart and the likelihood that they > knew each other. I think I found a birth record of Margaret's mother, > Mary Hartnett, born in 1800 but no record of her husband Martin Keefe. > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > Diane O'Connor Kern > _______________

My ancestor Bryan O'Connor, approx, birth date, 1830, supposedly of county Kerry, parish Muhrer, is no where to be found so far. Even relatives who have visited Ireland have not found him or his family. How likely is it that back in those times, Muhrer being so close to county Limerick, that we are all looking at the wrong area. I have tried to research Limerick with no success, but also have had trouble with various townlands Bryan;s wife, who he married in the USA, Margaret Keefe, supposedly from Duagh has no records that I can find either. Any suggestions from anyone on where I should be looking. According to my research, Murher and Duagh were approx. 5 miles apart. I do not know how accessible people of those times were to other villages 5 miles apart and the likelihood that they knew each other. I think I found a birth record of Margaret's mother, Mary Hartnett, born in 1800 but no record of her husband Martin Keefe. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Diane O'Connor Kern

Listers: I have recently subscribed to the IRL-KERRY list, finding a date of marriage and dates of baptisms for my RICE/GRIFFIN ancestors. It was a wonderful Christmas present, after 25 years of searching. Truly amazing! Question. Anyone know if there are Roman Catholic records for County Galway, IRE? Similar to listings found for Co. Kerry? TIme period 1820 through 1826. Surname DOLAN: Martin, b. 1822; Mary Ann, b. 1825; and Thomas, b. 1826. Three siblings emigrated to the US/central and western PA, early to mid 1840's. My thanks for any help, ideas, or suggestions. Marybeth C. [email protected] ================================== Hi Mary If you go to http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/kerryrc.htm, you will see a map of the Kerry parishes. Click on the parishes of Keel (where Castlemaine is located) and Milltown and you will see the dates for which the parish records are known to be available. Keel looks pretty good but there are gaps in Milltown. Of course, that does not mean that they all made it to www.irishgenealogy.ie Regards Anne