I'm trying to locate a thesis written by Father William Ferris in the early 20th century entitled "Traditional Game of Caid". William Ferris was a parish priest at Glenflesk, co. Kerry, from 1938 - 1943. In the thesis, he is supposed to have written extensively about the two forms of caid as played in the early to mid 19th century in Kerry. Does anyone know where I might locate a copy of this thesis?

Hope this helps. 1824 tithe applotment for tournanmonagh, kilcummin land holders Mr Humphrey Mahoney & John Barry Daniel, Darby & Tim McGillicuddy Owen Sullivan John Bryan Corn Lynch & Bryan Kelly -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-request <[email protected]> To: irl-kerry <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:01 pm Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 21 Today's Topics: 1. Where is Toornanaunagh? (William Dunbar) 2. Fw: Catherine Cronin (Lorri) 3. Re: Where is Toornanaunagh? (Paul Keroack) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:09:16 -0700 From: William Dunbar <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Where is Toornanaunagh? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello: Been looking at the 1901/11 census and think our family may have been from Tooreennamult but also see Cronin's in Toornanaunagh. I have sheet 174 (Millstreet) Ordnance Survey Map but can't see Toornanaunagh? Is it in this part of the County? Many thanks. Bill in Montana ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:29:58 -0500 From: "Lorri" <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Fw: Catherine Cronin To: "KERRY IRELAND" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Subject: Catherine Cronin > Hi I am a new searcher to CRONIN. I found a Catherine Cronin marr. John > Carroll > Kerry -Cork dont have birth dates, but their son Patrick was B. 1812. > Lorri > > > searching-for ancestors > GEIGER-Veach-Allen-Barnett-CARROLL > -GEARIN-KANE-SMITH-MOYLAN > DONAHUE-BURNS-Fowler-Fahey > UHLE -MANTZ -PSCHYBYLSKI -GRIGOLEIT > BUSCHMANN -MONTING-ODONNELL > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:47:16 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Keroack <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Where is Toornanaunagh? To: William Dunbar <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Bill, ? I have a copy of the 1851 "Alphabetical index to the townlands, &c".? It says Toornanaunagh is in Kilcummin parish, Mahgunihy barony, Killarney PLU and on sheets 49, 59, 60 of the Ordnance Survey Maps. At 807-1-35 acres it?covers?a fairly large area.?Somewhere north-east of Killarney, about halfway between there and the Cork border, according to a 19th century popular map I have. ? Paul Keroack --- On Sat, 1/29/11, William Dunbar <[email protected]> wrote: From: William Dunbar <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Where is Toornanaunagh? To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:09 PM Hello:? Been looking at the 1901/11 census and think our family may have been from Tooreennamult but also see Cronin's in Toornanaunagh.? I have sheet 174 (Millstreet) Ordnance Survey Map but can't see Toornanaunagh?? Is it in this part of the County?? Many thanks.???Bill in Montana ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _______________ ---------------? ? ? ??? Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff!? If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance.? Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-KERRY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the IRL-KERRY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 21 ****************************************

Ellen (O')Connor was my great grandfather Thomas (O')Donoghue's second wife and my great grandmother. Born around 1815 she died in London in 1889. The (O')Donoghue family is said to have come from Killarney but I have been unable to find them all definitively - Cooles most likely so far. Glanageenty in Ballymacelligott parish also figures as the likely origin place for Ellen. But unfortunately that parish's records are only available from 1868 so I am dependent on other connections. Anyone have an Ellen (O') Connor marrying into O'Donoghue? Cheers Rod Rod O'Donoghue Author of 'O'Donoghue People and Places' Founder of The O'Donoghue Society www.odonoghue.co.uk ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5828 (20110128) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5831 (20110130) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Bill, Expanding on Paul's location of Toornanaunagh, the townland is about 8 miles NE of Killarney town, 5 to 6 miles NW of Rathmore and about 8 miles SE of Castleisland (I'm sure these won't all meet at a point [gr], but the combination of the directions should put you close to the center of the townland). As Paul mentioned, Toornanaunagh is 807 acres, and is shaped like a lumpy potato - about a mile by a mile and a half. There was a Toornanaunagh Cottage in the townland at one time, close to its western border with Knockmanagh townland. The current Discovery map 79 shows an existing building at this same location..... perhaps it is still there? Pete .................................................... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts </HTML>

Subject: Catherine Cronin > Hi I am a new searcher to CRONIN. I found a Catherine Cronin marr. John > Carroll > Kerry -Cork dont have birth dates, but their son Patrick was B. 1812. > Lorri > > > searching-for ancestors > GEIGER-Veach-Allen-Barnett-CARROLL > -GEARIN-KANE-SMITH-MOYLAN > DONAHUE-BURNS-Fowler-Fahey > UHLE -MANTZ -PSCHYBYLSKI -GRIGOLEIT > BUSCHMANN -MONTING-ODONNELL >

Hello: Been looking at the 1901/11 census and think our family may have been from Tooreennamult but also see Cronin's in Toornanaunagh. I have sheet 174 (Millstreet) Ordnance Survey Map but can't see Toornanaunagh? Is it in this part of the County? Many thanks. Bill in Montana

Bill,   I have a copy of the 1851 "Alphabetical index to the townlands, &c".  It says Toornanaunagh is in Kilcummin parish, Mahgunihy barony, Killarney PLU and on sheets 49, 59, 60 of the Ordnance Survey Maps. At 807-1-35 acres it covers a fairly large area. Somewhere north-east of Killarney, about halfway between there and the Cork border, according to a 19th century popular map I have.   Paul Keroack --- On Sat, 1/29/11, William Dunbar <[email protected]> wrote: From: William Dunbar <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Where is Toornanaunagh? To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:09 PM Hello:  Been looking at the 1901/11 census and think our family may have been from Tooreennamult but also see Cronin's in Toornanaunagh.  I have sheet 174 (Millstreet) Ordnance Survey Map but can't see Toornanaunagh?  Is it in this part of the County?  Many thanks.   Bill in Montana                           _______________ ---------------          Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html                                                To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff!  If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance.  Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Stuart Have you tried searching under Cluvane a variant of Clifford in Kerry. Regards Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:52 AM Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Cliffords from Tralee > Hi All, > > Having great trouble finding any info for my Clifford ancestors in Kerry. > With the new access to Kerry records I thought this would be an easier > task, however no luck. Have been researching this side of the family > for quite some time now and have really become stuck. > > My 2XGreat grandfather John (Patrick?) Clifford born abt 1807, Ireland > Died in Holborn, London 8 Sept 1877 (Have death cert) > My 2xGreat grandmother Mary Unknown born abt 1806, Ireland > Died in Holborn, London 4 November 1878 (Have death cert) > They were married about 1828 in Ireland > Children I have located so far were : > Johanna Clifford born abt 1830 (Croyle? Kerry) > John Clifford b 30 March 1834 > Married Waterloo, London 16 Nov 1861 (Have marriage cert) > Died in Holborn, London 11 December 1899 (Have death cert) > Mary Ann Clifford born abt 1835 Tralee (info from 1861 London census) > Married Denis Donegan Waterloo, London 12 Sept 1858 (Have marriage cert) > Daniel Clifford born between abt Jul 1840, died 19 July 1841 Holborn, > London aged 1 year. (Have > death cert) > Looks like they all left Ireland about 1840, and appear in the London 1841 > census > > Any help much appreciated. > > Regards > Stuart C Collie > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the > Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a > wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is > at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 420 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi All, Having great trouble finding any info for my Clifford ancestors in Kerry. With the new access to Kerry records I thought this would be an easier task, however no luck. Have been researching this side of the family for quite some time now and have really become stuck. My 2XGreat grandfather John (Patrick?) Clifford born abt 1807, Ireland Died in Holborn, London 8 Sept 1877 (Have death cert) My 2xGreat grandmother Mary Unknown born abt 1806, Ireland Died in Holborn, London 4 November 1878 (Have death cert) They were married about 1828 in Ireland Children I have located so far were : Johanna Clifford born abt 1830 (Croyle? Kerry) John Clifford b 30 March 1834 Married Waterloo, London 16 Nov 1861 (Have marriage cert) Died in Holborn, London 11 December 1899 (Have death cert) Mary Ann Clifford born abt 1835 Tralee (info from 1861 London census) Married Denis Donegan Waterloo, London 12 Sept 1858 (Have marriage cert) Daniel Clifford born between abt Jul 1840, died 19 July 1841 Holborn, London aged 1 year. (Have death cert) Looks like they all left Ireland about 1840, and appear in the London 1841 census Any help much appreciated. Regards Stuart C Collie

Hi Helen The only places I can think of is the National Library of Ireland, Kildare Street Dublin, and also the Newspaper Library, Colindale Avenue London. It would be helpful if you knew the paper and the publication date etc. Sorry I cannot be of any more help than this. I remain yours Patrick O'Sullivan From: [email protected] Subject: IRL-KERRY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 16 To: [email protected] Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:00:03 -0700 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 05:57:15 +1000 Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Wills Hello William IRVINE died Kenmare, Kerry 1841, I know he had a will as it was mentioned in a newspaper article in 1862. Would appreciate if anyone could tell me where I might be able to purchase this Will? Many thanks Helen --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:49:31 -0500 Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Listowel Does any one know if there is a list for Listowel? Thanks Lorri searching-for ancestors GEIGER-Veach-Allen-Barnett-CARROLL -GEARIN-KANE-SMITH-MOYLAN DONAHUE-BURNS-Fowler-Fahey UHLE -MANTZ -PSCHYBYLSKI -GRIGOLEIT BUSCHMANN -MONTING-ODONNELL --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected] Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:53:47 -0600 Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Wills To make a long story short, most Irish wills were destroyed in the bombing of the Four Courts Building in Dubling during the Irish Civil War in 1922. Apparently all wills and many other legal documents had been moved there from the individual counties for safe keeping. There have been efforts to obtain/make copies of wills from many of the large estates that had not sent their wills, or who had sent copies of their wills to Dublin. I haven't been up to snuff on this for a long time. But the Irish Genealogical Society International in Minnesota contributed financially to an effort to recover some wills. I don't know what the status of that project is. There are many indexes to wills that survived, but they don't have anything besides maybe the names and dates of the individual parties and the County in which the property was located. One of those indexes, "Phillimore & Thrift, Indexes to Irish Wills 1536-1858 over 30,000 wills" contains reference to dtwo will by two of my Reidy ancestors in Meenleitrim, Knocknagoshel, Castleisland Civil Parish in the 1750s or so. You can well imagine that I would love to see the contents of those wills. Being that they were poor and Catholic, goes without saying, I guess, I can think of only two reasons why an ancestor might have filed a will. 1. Disinherit an eldest son, normally the one who got to inherit the farm. 2. Provide a "dowery" for a son or daughter entering into religious life. But that's just a guess. I have never seen a copy of an old Irish will. It would be interesting to see a few for poor people. Ray Marshall Minneapolis Where it is still colder than blazes and we're happy that the Vikings didn't make it into the NFL finals. We get enough bad publicity because of our weather as it is. ====================== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Courts Wikipedia: The Four Courts were seized by Commandant Ned Daly's 1st Battalion during the Easter Rising in 1916. They survived the bombardment by British artillery that destroyed large parts of the city centre. Part of the original Gandon-designed interior decoration of the dome, lost in the 1922 destruction. On 14 April 1922 they were occupied by Republican forces led by Rory O'Connor who opposed the Anglo-Irish Treaty. After several months of a stand-off, the new Provisional Government attacked the building to dislodge the rebels, on the advice of the Commander-in-Chief of the Irish Army, Michael Collins. This provoked a week of fighting in Dublin. In the process of the bombardment the historic building was destroyed. Most dramatically however, when the anti-Treaty contingent were surrendering, the west wing of the building was obliterated in a huge explosion, destroying the Irish Public Record Office which was located at the rear of the building. It has been alleged that the Republicans deliberately booby-trapped its priceless Irish archives, which were stored in the basement of the Four Courts. Nearly one thousand years of irreplaceable archives were destroyed by this act. However, the insurgents, who included future Irish Taoiseach Sean Lemass denied this accusation and argued that while they had used the archive as a store of their ammunition, they had not deliberately mined it. They suggest that that the explosion was caused by the accidental detonation of their ammunition store during the fighting. ============================= http://www.from-ireland.net/gene/wills.htm The original Public Records Office of Ireland was located in the Four Courts complex and this was destroyed by fire during the 1922 Civil War. The vast majority of records deposited in the PRO at that time were also destroyed. These include: All original wills of the Consistorial and Prerogative Courts, with the exception of one Consistorial Will and eleven prerogative Wills. Almost all the Will and Grant Bond Books of the Consistorial and Prerogative Courts All the original wills and grants of the Principle and District Registries from 1858 up to 1903/1900 and most of the Will and Grant books of the principle registry from 1858. The PRO set about replacing as much of its lost material as possible by asking and begin given as many copies of original documents as possible from legal firms and individuals, plus notes and research carried out by historians and genealogists at the PRO prior to 1922. Such works include; Betham Abstracts Gertrude Thrift Philip Crossle Ignatius Jennings Tennison Groves Edmund Walsh Kelly ============================ ============================ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of paul and helen Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 1:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Wills ================= ================== Hello William IRVINE died Kenmare, Kerry 1841, I know he had a will as it was mentioned in a newspaper article in 1862. Would appreciate if anyone could tell me where I might be able to purchase this Will? Many thanks Helen _______________ --------------- --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected] Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:09:26 +1000 Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Wills Hello Ray, Many thanks for all that valuable information. This chap worked on the Lansdowne Estate and had some property. I know who the beneficiaries were, but was hoping that the will might reveal some more information. No point getting an indexed copy though if that is all it will reveal. bye Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Marshall" <[email protected]> To: "paul and helen" <[email protected]>; "Kerry List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [IRL-KERRY] Wills > > To make a long story short, most Irish wills were destroyed in the bombing > of the Four Courts Building in Dubling during the Irish Civil War in 1922. > > Apparently all wills and many other legal documents had been moved there > from the individual counties for safe keeping. > > There have been efforts to obtain/make copies of wills from many of the > large estates that had not sent their wills, or who had sent copies of > their > wills to Dublin. I haven't been up to snuff on this for a long time. But > the Irish Genealogical Society International in Minnesota contributed > financially to an effort to recover some wills. I don't know what the > status of that project is. > > There are many indexes to wills that survived, but they don't have > anything > besides maybe the names and dates of the individual parties and the County > in which the property was located. > > One of those indexes, "Phillimore & Thrift, Indexes to Irish Wills > 1536-1858 over 30,000 wills" contains reference to dtwo will by two of > my > Reidy ancestors in Meenleitrim, Knocknagoshel, Castleisland Civil Parish > in > the 1750s or so. You can well imagine that I would love to see the > contents > of those wills. > > Being that they were poor and Catholic, goes without saying, I guess, I > can > think of only two reasons why an ancestor might have filed a will. > > 1. Disinherit an eldest son, normally the one who got to inherit the > farm. > > 2. Provide a "dowery" for a son or daughter entering into religious life. > > But that's just a guess. I have never seen a copy of an old Irish will. > It > would be interesting to see a few for poor people. > > > Ray Marshall > Minneapolis > Where it is still colder than blazes and we're happy that the Vikings > didn't > make it into the NFL finals. We get enough bad publicity because of our > weather as it is. > > > > ====================== > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Courts > Wikipedia: The Four Courts were seized by Commandant Ned Daly's 1st > Battalion during the Easter Rising in 1916. They survived the bombardment > by > British artillery that destroyed large parts of the city centre. > Part of the original Gandon-designed interior decoration of the dome, lost > in the 1922 destruction. > > On 14 April 1922 they were occupied by Republican forces led by Rory > O'Connor who opposed the Anglo-Irish Treaty. After several months of a > stand-off, the new Provisional Government attacked the building to > dislodge > the rebels, on the advice of the Commander-in-Chief of the Irish Army, > Michael Collins. This provoked a week of fighting in Dublin. In the > process > of the bombardment the historic building was destroyed. Most dramatically > however, when the anti-Treaty contingent were surrendering, the west wing > of > the building was obliterated in a huge explosion, destroying the Irish > Public Record Office which was located at the rear of the building. It has > been alleged that the Republicans deliberately booby-trapped its priceless > Irish archives, which were stored in the basement of the Four Courts. > Nearly > one thousand years of irreplaceable archives were destroyed by this act. > However, the insurgents, who included future Irish Taoiseach Sean Lemass > denied this accusation and argued that while they had used the archive as > a > store of their ammunition, they had not deliberately mined it. They > suggest > that that the explosion was caused by the accidental detonation of their > ammunition store during the fighting. > > ============================= > > http://www.from-ireland.net/gene/wills.htm > The original Public Records Office of Ireland was located in the Four > Courts > complex and this was destroyed by fire during the 1922 Civil War. The vast > majority of records deposited in the PRO at that time were also destroyed. > These include: > > All original wills of the Consistorial and Prerogative Courts, with the > exception of one Consistorial Will and eleven prerogative Wills. > > Almost all the Will and Grant Bond Books of the Consistorial and > Prerogative > Courts > > All the original wills and grants of the Principle and District Registries > from 1858 up to 1903/1900 > and most of the Will and Grant books of the principle registry from 1858. > > The PRO set about replacing as much of its lost material as possible by > asking and begin given as many copies of original documents as possible > from > legal firms and individuals, plus notes and research carried out by > historians and genealogists at the PRO prior to 1922. > > Such works include; > Betham Abstracts > Gertrude Thrift > Philip Crossle > Ignatius Jennings > Tennison Groves > Edmund Walsh Kelly > > ============================ > ============================ > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of paul and helen > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 1:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Wills > > > > > ================= > ================== > > Hello > > William IRVINE died Kenmare, Kerry 1841, I know he had a will as it was > mentioned in a newspaper article in 1862. Would appreciate if anyone > could > tell me where I might be able to purchase this Will? > > Many thanks Helen > _______________ > --------------- >

I would appreciate any extra information about any of the family: Jeremiah MacGillicuddy(McGill) of Garahadoo m. Sarah Leslie (Lestu) 15 Feb 1825 Killorglin, Kerry Ireland. They had: 1. Mary McGillicuddy b . ba 5 Jun 1825 Garrahadoo (Garrihidoo), Killorglin, Kerry, Ireland 2. Cornelius McGillicuddy b . ba 24 Oct 1826 Killorglin, Killorglin, Kerry, Ireland 3. John MacGillicuddy b&. baptised 17 Aug 1828 4. Florence McGillicuddy, b . bap 1 Jan 1830, Killorglin, Killorglin, Kerry, Ireland 5. James Herbert McGill[icuddy] born 17.7.1831, Killorglin, Killorglin, Kerry, Ireland 6. Charles McGILLICUDDY, b. bap 2 Sep 1832, Killorglin, Killorglin, Kerry, Ireland Shoemaker of Chelsea MA m. Mary Galvin 18 of Chelsea, 28 Dec 1851 7. Alexander McGillicuddy b. 24 Feb 1834 Killorglin, Killorglin, Kerry, Ireland Boot and shoemaker of Charlestown MA m. Mary Condon 21 of Charlestown 26 Aug 1855 8. Ellen McGillicuddy b. 20 Sep 1835 bapt. 20 Oct 1835 Milltown, Kerry, Ireland 9. Anne McGillicuddy b. 8 Jun 1837 bapt. 6 Aug 1837 Killarney, Kerry, Ireland 10. Catherine Mcgillicuddy b bap 30 Jan 1839 Killorglin, Killorglin, Kerry, Ireland All the above children are listed with parents Jeremiah McGillicuddy and Sarah Lesley. Important - This email and any attachments may be confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender, and not necessarily those of the Department of Education and Early Childhood Development.

Has any one seen any mail from Mary of late. Getting worried she has been involved in the Queensland floods I did not write her new email down Does any one else have it. Trish in Sydney

Hi Ray and Helen, Many thanks for your advice, will give it a go and hopefully get the desired result. bye Helen > Ray Marshall <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Being that his property was part of an estate, I would check with the > Estate, if it still exists. They surely would have kept copies or may > not > have sent their only copy to Dublin. > > > Ray Marshall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: paul and helen [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:10 AM > To: Ray Marshall; Kerry List > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Wills > > > Hello Ray, > > Many thanks for all that valuable information. This chap worked on the > Lansdowne Estate and had some property. I know who the beneficiaries > were, > but was hoping that the will might reveal some more information. No > point > getting an indexed copy though if that is all it will reveal. > > bye Helen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Marshall" <[email protected]> > To: "paul and helen" <[email protected]>; "Kerry List" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:53 PM > Subject: RE: [IRL-KERRY] Wills > > > > > > To make a long story short, most Irish wills were destroyed in the > bombing > > of the Four Courts Building in Dubling during the Irish Civil War in > 1922. > > > > Apparently all wills and many other legal documents had been moved > there > > from the individual counties for safe keeping. > > > > There have been efforts to obtain/make copies of wills from many of > the > > large estates that had not sent their wills, or who had sent copies of > > their > > wills to Dublin. I haven't been up to snuff on this for a long time. > But > > the Irish Genealogical Society International in Minnesota contributed > > financially to an effort to recover some wills. I don't know what the > > status of that project is. > > > > There are many indexes to wills that survived, but they don't have > > anything > > besides maybe the names and dates of the individual parties and the > County > > in which the property was located. > > > > One of those indexes, "Phillimore & Thrift, Indexes to Irish Wills > > 1536-1858 over 30,000 wills" contains reference to dtwo will by two > of > > my > > Reidy ancestors in Meenleitrim, Knocknagoshel, Castleisland Civil > Parish > > in > > the 1750s or so. You can well imagine that I would love to see the > > contents > > of those wills. > > > > Being that they were poor and Catholic, goes without saying, I guess, > I > > can > > think of only two reasons why an ancestor might have filed a will. > > > > 1. Disinherit an eldest son, normally the one who got to inherit the > > farm. > > > > 2. Provide a "dowery" for a son or daughter entering into religious > life. > > > > But that's just a guess. I have never seen a copy of an old Irish > will. > > It > > would be interesting to see a few for poor people. > > > > > > Ray Marshall > > Minneapolis > > Where it is still colder than blazes and we're happy that the Vikings > > didn't > > make it into the NFL finals. We get enough bad publicity because of > our > > weather as it is. > > > > > > > > ====================== > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Courts > > Wikipedia: The Four Courts were seized by Commandant Ned Daly's 1st > > Battalion during the Easter Rising in 1916. They survived the > bombardment > > by > > British artillery that destroyed large parts of the city centre. > > Part of the original Gandon-designed interior decoration of the dome, > lost > > in the 1922 destruction. > > > > On 14 April 1922 they were occupied by Republican forces led by Rory > > O'Connor who opposed the Anglo-Irish Treaty. After several months of a > > stand-off, the new Provisional Government attacked the building to > > dislodge > > the rebels, on the advice of the Commander-in-Chief of the Irish Army, > > Michael Collins. This provoked a week of fighting in Dublin. In the > > process > > of the bombardment the historic building was destroyed. Most > dramatically > > however, when the anti-Treaty contingent were surrendering, the west > wing > > of > > the building was obliterated in a huge explosion, destroying the Irish > > Public Record Office which was located at the rear of the building. It > has > > been alleged that the Republicans deliberately booby-trapped its > priceless > > Irish archives, which were stored in the basement of the Four Courts. > > Nearly > > one thousand years of irreplaceable archives were destroyed by this > act. > > However, the insurgents, who included future Irish Taoiseach Sean > Lemass > > denied this accusation and argued that while they had used the archive > as > > a > > store of their ammunition, they had not deliberately mined it. They > > suggest > > that that the explosion was caused by the accidental detonation of > their > > ammunition store during the fighting. > > > > ============================= > > > > http://www.from-ireland.net/gene/wills.htm > > The original Public Records Office of Ireland was located in the Four > > Courts > > complex and this was destroyed by fire during the 1922 Civil War. The > vast > > majority of records deposited in the PRO at that time were also > destroyed. > > These include: > > > > All original wills of the Consistorial and Prerogative Courts, with > the > > exception of one Consistorial Will and eleven prerogative Wills. > > > > Almost all the Will and Grant Bond Books of the Consistorial and > > Prerogative > > Courts > > > > All the original wills and grants of the Principle and District > Registries > > from 1858 up to 1903/1900 > > and most of the Will and Grant books of the principle registry from > 1858. > > > > The PRO set about replacing as much of its lost material as possible > by > > asking and begin given as many copies of original documents as > possible > > from > > legal firms and individuals, plus notes and research carried out by > > historians and genealogists at the PRO prior to 1922. > > > > Such works include; > > Betham Abstracts > > Gertrude Thrift > > Philip Crossle > > Ignatius Jennings > > Tennison Groves > > Edmund Walsh Kelly > > > > ============================ > > ============================ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of paul and helen > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 1:58 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Wills > > > > > > > > > > ================= > > ================== > > > > Hello > > > > William IRVINE died Kenmare, Kerry 1841, I know he had a will as it > was > > mentioned in a newspaper article in 1862. Would appreciate if anyone > > could > > tell me where I might be able to purchase this Will? > > > > Many thanks Helen > > _______________ > > --------------- > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3398 - Release Date: 01/23/11

Hello Ray, Many thanks for all that valuable information. This chap worked on the Lansdowne Estate and had some property. I know who the beneficiaries were, but was hoping that the will might reveal some more information. No point getting an indexed copy though if that is all it will reveal. bye Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Marshall" <[email protected]> To: "paul and helen" <[email protected]>; "Kerry List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [IRL-KERRY] Wills > > To make a long story short, most Irish wills were destroyed in the bombing > of the Four Courts Building in Dubling during the Irish Civil War in 1922. > > Apparently all wills and many other legal documents had been moved there > from the individual counties for safe keeping. > > There have been efforts to obtain/make copies of wills from many of the > large estates that had not sent their wills, or who had sent copies of > their > wills to Dublin. I haven't been up to snuff on this for a long time. But > the Irish Genealogical Society International in Minnesota contributed > financially to an effort to recover some wills. I don't know what the > status of that project is. > > There are many indexes to wills that survived, but they don't have > anything > besides maybe the names and dates of the individual parties and the County > in which the property was located. > > One of those indexes, "Phillimore & Thrift, Indexes to Irish Wills > 1536-1858 over 30,000 wills" contains reference to dtwo will by two of > my > Reidy ancestors in Meenleitrim, Knocknagoshel, Castleisland Civil Parish > in > the 1750s or so. You can well imagine that I would love to see the > contents > of those wills. > > Being that they were poor and Catholic, goes without saying, I guess, I > can > think of only two reasons why an ancestor might have filed a will. > > 1. Disinherit an eldest son, normally the one who got to inherit the > farm. > > 2. Provide a "dowery" for a son or daughter entering into religious life. > > But that's just a guess. I have never seen a copy of an old Irish will. > It > would be interesting to see a few for poor people. > > > Ray Marshall > Minneapolis > Where it is still colder than blazes and we're happy that the Vikings > didn't > make it into the NFL finals. We get enough bad publicity because of our > weather as it is. > > > > ====================== > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Courts > Wikipedia: The Four Courts were seized by Commandant Ned Daly's 1st > Battalion during the Easter Rising in 1916. They survived the bombardment > by > British artillery that destroyed large parts of the city centre. > Part of the original Gandon-designed interior decoration of the dome, lost > in the 1922 destruction. > > On 14 April 1922 they were occupied by Republican forces led by Rory > O'Connor who opposed the Anglo-Irish Treaty. After several months of a > stand-off, the new Provisional Government attacked the building to > dislodge > the rebels, on the advice of the Commander-in-Chief of the Irish Army, > Michael Collins. This provoked a week of fighting in Dublin. In the > process > of the bombardment the historic building was destroyed. Most dramatically > however, when the anti-Treaty contingent were surrendering, the west wing > of > the building was obliterated in a huge explosion, destroying the Irish > Public Record Office which was located at the rear of the building. It has > been alleged that the Republicans deliberately booby-trapped its priceless > Irish archives, which were stored in the basement of the Four Courts. > Nearly > one thousand years of irreplaceable archives were destroyed by this act. > However, the insurgents, who included future Irish Taoiseach Sean Lemass > denied this accusation and argued that while they had used the archive as > a > store of their ammunition, they had not deliberately mined it. They > suggest > that that the explosion was caused by the accidental detonation of their > ammunition store during the fighting. > > ============================= > > http://www.from-ireland.net/gene/wills.htm > The original Public Records Office of Ireland was located in the Four > Courts > complex and this was destroyed by fire during the 1922 Civil War. The vast > majority of records deposited in the PRO at that time were also destroyed. > These include: > > All original wills of the Consistorial and Prerogative Courts, with the > exception of one Consistorial Will and eleven prerogative Wills. > > Almost all the Will and Grant Bond Books of the Consistorial and > Prerogative > Courts > > All the original wills and grants of the Principle and District Registries > from 1858 up to 1903/1900 > and most of the Will and Grant books of the principle registry from 1858. > > The PRO set about replacing as much of its lost material as possible by > asking and begin given as many copies of original documents as possible > from > legal firms and individuals, plus notes and research carried out by > historians and genealogists at the PRO prior to 1922. > > Such works include; > Betham Abstracts > Gertrude Thrift > Philip Crossle > Ignatius Jennings > Tennison Groves > Edmund Walsh Kelly > > ============================ > ============================ > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of paul and helen > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 1:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Wills > > > > > ================= > ================== > > Hello > > William IRVINE died Kenmare, Kerry 1841, I know he had a will as it was > mentioned in a newspaper article in 1862. Would appreciate if anyone > could > tell me where I might be able to purchase this Will? > > Many thanks Helen > _______________ > --------------- >

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Helen, Ray, List, I'm not sure if this link will be of any use but I was able to get a couple of documents on this site, one was a deed which was rather like a will. It named the executors, who bought out the 700 year lease, death date of Henry O'Brien who held the lease from Lord Lismore etc. This was in the late 1700's. The land went on to become the Cork Butter Exchange. Maybe something will pertain. I was amazed to find my O'Brien's of Tipp. they were certainly not wealthy. I originally didn't even look on the site when it was posted. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~registryofdeeds/ Helen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of paul and helen Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:09 AM To: Ray Marshall; Kerry List Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Wills Hello Ray, Many thanks for all that valuable information. This chap worked on the Lansdowne Estate and had some property. I know who the beneficiaries were, but was hoping that the will might reveal some more information. No point getting an indexed copy though if that is all it will reveal.

Being that his property was part of an estate, I would check with the Estate, if it still exists. They surely would have kept copies or may not have sent their only copy to Dublin. Ray Marshall -----Original Message----- From: paul and helen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:10 AM To: Ray Marshall; Kerry List Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Wills Hello Ray, Many thanks for all that valuable information. This chap worked on the Lansdowne Estate and had some property. I know who the beneficiaries were, but was hoping that the will might reveal some more information. No point getting an indexed copy though if that is all it will reveal. bye Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Marshall" <[email protected]> To: "paul and helen" <[email protected]>; "Kerry List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [IRL-KERRY] Wills > > To make a long story short, most Irish wills were destroyed in the bombing > of the Four Courts Building in Dubling during the Irish Civil War in 1922. > > Apparently all wills and many other legal documents had been moved there > from the individual counties for safe keeping. > > There have been efforts to obtain/make copies of wills from many of the > large estates that had not sent their wills, or who had sent copies of > their > wills to Dublin. I haven't been up to snuff on this for a long time. But > the Irish Genealogical Society International in Minnesota contributed > financially to an effort to recover some wills. I don't know what the > status of that project is. > > There are many indexes to wills that survived, but they don't have > anything > besides maybe the names and dates of the individual parties and the County > in which the property was located. > > One of those indexes, "Phillimore & Thrift, Indexes to Irish Wills > 1536-1858 over 30,000 wills" contains reference to dtwo will by two of > my > Reidy ancestors in Meenleitrim, Knocknagoshel, Castleisland Civil Parish > in > the 1750s or so. You can well imagine that I would love to see the > contents > of those wills. > > Being that they were poor and Catholic, goes without saying, I guess, I > can > think of only two reasons why an ancestor might have filed a will. > > 1. Disinherit an eldest son, normally the one who got to inherit the > farm. > > 2. Provide a "dowery" for a son or daughter entering into religious life. > > But that's just a guess. I have never seen a copy of an old Irish will. > It > would be interesting to see a few for poor people. > > > Ray Marshall > Minneapolis > Where it is still colder than blazes and we're happy that the Vikings > didn't > make it into the NFL finals. We get enough bad publicity because of our > weather as it is. > > > > ====================== > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Courts > Wikipedia: The Four Courts were seized by Commandant Ned Daly's 1st > Battalion during the Easter Rising in 1916. They survived the bombardment > by > British artillery that destroyed large parts of the city centre. > Part of the original Gandon-designed interior decoration of the dome, lost > in the 1922 destruction. > > On 14 April 1922 they were occupied by Republican forces led by Rory > O'Connor who opposed the Anglo-Irish Treaty. After several months of a > stand-off, the new Provisional Government attacked the building to > dislodge > the rebels, on the advice of the Commander-in-Chief of the Irish Army, > Michael Collins. This provoked a week of fighting in Dublin. In the > process > of the bombardment the historic building was destroyed. Most dramatically > however, when the anti-Treaty contingent were surrendering, the west wing > of > the building was obliterated in a huge explosion, destroying the Irish > Public Record Office which was located at the rear of the building. It has > been alleged that the Republicans deliberately booby-trapped its priceless > Irish archives, which were stored in the basement of the Four Courts. > Nearly > one thousand years of irreplaceable archives were destroyed by this act. > However, the insurgents, who included future Irish Taoiseach Sean Lemass > denied this accusation and argued that while they had used the archive as > a > store of their ammunition, they had not deliberately mined it. They > suggest > that that the explosion was caused by the accidental detonation of their > ammunition store during the fighting. > > ============================= > > http://www.from-ireland.net/gene/wills.htm > The original Public Records Office of Ireland was located in the Four > Courts > complex and this was destroyed by fire during the 1922 Civil War. The vast > majority of records deposited in the PRO at that time were also destroyed. > These include: > > All original wills of the Consistorial and Prerogative Courts, with the > exception of one Consistorial Will and eleven prerogative Wills. > > Almost all the Will and Grant Bond Books of the Consistorial and > Prerogative > Courts > > All the original wills and grants of the Principle and District Registries > from 1858 up to 1903/1900 > and most of the Will and Grant books of the principle registry from 1858. > > The PRO set about replacing as much of its lost material as possible by > asking and begin given as many copies of original documents as possible > from > legal firms and individuals, plus notes and research carried out by > historians and genealogists at the PRO prior to 1922. > > Such works include; > Betham Abstracts > Gertrude Thrift > Philip Crossle > Ignatius Jennings > Tennison Groves > Edmund Walsh Kelly > > ============================ > ============================ > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of paul and helen > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 1:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Wills > > > > > ================= > ================== > > Hello > > William IRVINE died Kenmare, Kerry 1841, I know he had a will as it was > mentioned in a newspaper article in 1862. Would appreciate if anyone > could > tell me where I might be able to purchase this Will? > > Many thanks Helen > _______________ > --------------- > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3398 - Release Date: 01/23/11

Hello William IRVINE died Kenmare, Kerry 1841, I know he had a will as it was mentioned in a newspaper article in 1862. Would appreciate if anyone could tell me where I might be able to purchase this Will? Many thanks Helen

To make a long story short, most Irish wills were destroyed in the bombing of the Four Courts Building in Dubling during the Irish Civil War in 1922. Apparently all wills and many other legal documents had been moved there from the individual counties for safe keeping. There have been efforts to obtain/make copies of wills from many of the large estates that had not sent their wills, or who had sent copies of their wills to Dublin. I haven't been up to snuff on this for a long time. But the Irish Genealogical Society International in Minnesota contributed financially to an effort to recover some wills. I don't know what the status of that project is. There are many indexes to wills that survived, but they don't have anything besides maybe the names and dates of the individual parties and the County in which the property was located. One of those indexes, "Phillimore & Thrift, Indexes to Irish Wills 1536-1858 over 30,000 wills" contains reference to dtwo will by two of my Reidy ancestors in Meenleitrim, Knocknagoshel, Castleisland Civil Parish in the 1750s or so. You can well imagine that I would love to see the contents of those wills. Being that they were poor and Catholic, goes without saying, I guess, I can think of only two reasons why an ancestor might have filed a will. 1. Disinherit an eldest son, normally the one who got to inherit the farm. 2. Provide a "dowery" for a son or daughter entering into religious life. But that's just a guess. I have never seen a copy of an old Irish will. It would be interesting to see a few for poor people. Ray Marshall Minneapolis Where it is still colder than blazes and we're happy that the Vikings didn't make it into the NFL finals. We get enough bad publicity because of our weather as it is. ====================== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Courts Wikipedia: The Four Courts were seized by Commandant Ned Daly's 1st Battalion during the Easter Rising in 1916. They survived the bombardment by British artillery that destroyed large parts of the city centre. Part of the original Gandon-designed interior decoration of the dome, lost in the 1922 destruction. On 14 April 1922 they were occupied by Republican forces led by Rory O'Connor who opposed the Anglo-Irish Treaty. After several months of a stand-off, the new Provisional Government attacked the building to dislodge the rebels, on the advice of the Commander-in-Chief of the Irish Army, Michael Collins. This provoked a week of fighting in Dublin. In the process of the bombardment the historic building was destroyed. Most dramatically however, when the anti-Treaty contingent were surrendering, the west wing of the building was obliterated in a huge explosion, destroying the Irish Public Record Office which was located at the rear of the building. It has been alleged that the Republicans deliberately booby-trapped its priceless Irish archives, which were stored in the basement of the Four Courts. Nearly one thousand years of irreplaceable archives were destroyed by this act. However, the insurgents, who included future Irish Taoiseach Sean Lemass denied this accusation and argued that while they had used the archive as a store of their ammunition, they had not deliberately mined it. They suggest that that the explosion was caused by the accidental detonation of their ammunition store during the fighting. ============================= http://www.from-ireland.net/gene/wills.htm The original Public Records Office of Ireland was located in the Four Courts complex and this was destroyed by fire during the 1922 Civil War. The vast majority of records deposited in the PRO at that time were also destroyed. These include: All original wills of the Consistorial and Prerogative Courts, with the exception of one Consistorial Will and eleven prerogative Wills. Almost all the Will and Grant Bond Books of the Consistorial and Prerogative Courts All the original wills and grants of the Principle and District Registries from 1858 up to 1903/1900 and most of the Will and Grant books of the principle registry from 1858. The PRO set about replacing as much of its lost material as possible by asking and begin given as many copies of original documents as possible from legal firms and individuals, plus notes and research carried out by historians and genealogists at the PRO prior to 1922. Such works include; Betham Abstracts Gertrude Thrift Philip Crossle Ignatius Jennings Tennison Groves Edmund Walsh Kelly ============================ ============================ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of paul and helen Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 1:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Wills ================= ================== Hello William IRVINE died Kenmare, Kerry 1841, I know he had a will as it was mentioned in a newspaper article in 1862. Would appreciate if anyone could tell me where I might be able to purchase this Will? Many thanks Helen _______________ ---------------