Hi Jenny There are 2 churches in the parish of Ballymacelligott. One is called St. Brendan's Church, Clogher and the other is the Church of the Immaculate Conception, Ballymacelligott. See the Kerry discese website for details: http://www.dioceseofkerry.ie/parish.php?parish=Ballymacelligott Kind regards Eoghan MacSweeny Blackrock Cork On 2 Apr 2013, at 07:44, <jagb@mcmedia.com.au> wrote: > That is interesting thanks Brian. > The Foundation Stone for the present Catholic Church at Geraldine (South Canterbury, New Zealand) was laid on 8th December 1935. The Church at Geraldine is the Church of the Immaculate Conception. > I know there were many from the Ballymacelligott Parish in Kerry who immigrated to the Geraldine area in New Zealand - including my great grandparents and other relations. > Makes you wonder if the Geraldine church was named by some of those early immigrants from Ballymacelligott in memory of their church at 'home'. > With thanks. > Jenny > > -----Original Message----- From: Brian Moriarty > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:25 PM > To: jagb@mcmedia.com.au ; REG VOLK ; IRL-Kerry@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Fwd: Has anyone ever come across one of these? > > There is a church listed in the parish of Ballymacelligott referred to as > the Immaculate Conception - refer the Diocese of Kerry website > http://www.dioceseofkerry.ie/parish.php?sec=mass_times&parish=Ballymacelligott > > Not sure of the address but Google should find it. > > Brian > Christchurch NZ > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <jagb@mcmedia.com.au> > To: "REG VOLK" <regvolk@shaw.ca>; <IRL-Kerry@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Fwd: Has anyone ever come across one of these? > > >> Hello Reg, >> The Mary SUGRUE in this record was the daughter of Cornelius SUGRUE and Catherine nee GORMAN of Commons West, Ardfert in Kerry. Mary SUGRUE died on 2 March 1892 at the age of 33 and is buried in the Ellesmere Catholic Cemetery, near Leeston in Canterbury New Zealand. >> Three years later in 1883, Mary would be joined in New Zealand by her sisters Ellen and Catherine. >> My Mary DUGGAN arrived in New Zealand in December 1879 aboard the Lady Jocelyn and in October 1880 married my great grandfather Timothy SUGRUE. >> To date I have not located any evidence that the SUGRUEs from Ardfert were close relations to my SUGRUEs from Dromavalla in the Parish of Ballymacelligott. >> My query was – had any person on the list heard the Catholic Church in Ballymacelligott being referred to as The Church of the Immaculate Conception. >> With thanks >> Jenny >> >> From: REG VOLK >> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 3:05 PM >> To: mailto:jagb@mcmedia.com.au >> Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Fwd: Has anyone ever come across one of these? >> >> So...who would this person be? >> >> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FST2-3TY >> >> >> Reg >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 2013-04-01, at 1:48 PM, REG VOLK <regvolk@shaw.ca> wrote: >> >> >> Maybe try them directly: >> >> http://www.dioceseofkerry.ie/parish.php?parish=Ballymacelligott >> >> >> Reg >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 2013-04-01, at 1:03 PM, <jagb@mcmedia.com.au> wrote: >> >> >> In the 1940 New Zealand probate of my 80 year old great grandmother Mary >> (DUGGAN) SUGRUE, her daughter (my great aunt) signed an affidavit stating my >> great aunt had seen a Baptismal Certificate for my great grandmother Mary >> DUGGAN who had been Baptised on 7th October 1860 at the Church of the >> Immaculate Conception in Ballymacelligott County Kerry. >> This Baptismal certificate does not appear to still be in the family and the >> record does not appear in the Kerry Parish Records - there are no or very >> few pre 1868 records for Ballymacelligott on that site. >> However I have no doubts that Mary DUGGAN SUGRUE did indeed on her >> emigration to NZ in 1878 take her Baptismal Certificate with her from Kerry >> to her new home in New Zealand. >> I have to date not seen where the church at Ballymacelligott was named The >> Church of the Immaculate Conception. Has anyone every seen reference to the >> Church at Ballymacelligott having that name? >> With thanks >> Jenny >> >> _______________ >> --------------- >> >> Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. >> >> To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. >> >> To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ >> >> Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. 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In the 1940 New Zealand probate of my 80 year old great grandmother Mary (DUGGAN) SUGRUE, her daughter (my great aunt) signed an affidavit stating my great aunt had seen a Baptismal Certificate for my great grandmother Mary DUGGAN who had been Baptised on 7th October 1860 at the Church of the Immaculate Conception in Ballymacelligott County Kerry. This Baptismal certificate does not appear to still be in the family and the record does not appear in the Kerry Parish Records - there are no or very few pre 1868 records for Ballymacelligott on that site. However I have no doubts that Mary DUGGAN SUGRUE did indeed on her emigration to NZ in 1878 take her Baptismal Certificate with her from Kerry to her new home in New Zealand. I have to date not seen where the church at Ballymacelligott was named The Church of the Immaculate Conception. Has anyone every seen reference to the Church at Ballymacelligott having that name? With thanks Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Ray Marshall Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:39 AM To: irl-Kerry Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Fwd: Has anyone ever come across one of these? -- Letter of Freedom All those wanting to marry in the Catholic Church in their adopted country, those who left Ireland, had to have what they called a "Letter of Freedom" this would say, that they were baptized, and were free to marry, and were a Catholic in good standing A letter of Freedom was required from each parish, that a person had lived in. For example, John and Mary were both baptized, Johjn in Kerry, and Mary in Scotland. Roman Catholics. And if John & Mary had met in New York where they lived for a time and wanted to get married in Seattle, they might need those letters from parishes in NY and Seattle, too. Just saying. Ray Marshall Where the first game for the first baseball game of the season in Minnesota will be be welcomed by freezing (0 C, 32F) temperatures. _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All this talk of churches reminded me to ask about the church where my great-grandfather, Michael Sullivan, was baptized on June 14, 1839. (I found this information on the webpage: http://www.irishgenealogy.ie) St. John's church is the current church in Ballybunnion, but it is a newer church -- late 1800s. Would it have been the church in 1839? And would there be any records at the present church going back that far? I plan to visit the area in Sept. of this year. The four Sullivan "children" -- Daniel, Michael, Mary and Patrick -- came to the U.S. when they were young -- about 1862. The family stories are vague -- either the rest of the family died in the famine or were cleared off their land and could no longer make a living. They never went back to Ireland. Any help on the Church? Thanks, Trish

Did you check the Casey O'Kief Collections which lists quite a lot of Kerry Births/Baptisms/Marriages. Catherine Fitzgerald HAVE A GREAT DAY ----- Original Message ----- From: jagb@mcmedia.com.au To: "Ray Marshall" <ray.marshall@gmail.com>, "irl-Kerry" <irl-Kerry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 4:02:32 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Fwd: Has anyone ever come across one of these? In the 1940 New Zealand probate of my 80 year old great grandmother Mary (DUGGAN) SUGRUE, her daughter (my great aunt) signed an affidavit stating my great aunt had seen a Baptismal Certificate for my great grandmother Mary DUGGAN who had been Baptised on 7th October 1860 at the Church of the Immaculate Conception in Ballymacelligott County Kerry. This Baptismal certificate does not appear to still be in the family and the record does not appear in the Kerry Parish Records - there are no or very few pre 1868 records for Ballymacelligott on that site. However I have no doubts that Mary DUGGAN SUGRUE did indeed on her emigration to NZ in 1878 take her Baptismal Certificate with her from Kerry to her new home in New Zealand. I have to date not seen where the church at Ballymacelligott was named The Church of the Immaculate Conception. Has anyone every seen reference to the Church at Ballymacelligott having that name? With thanks Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Ray Marshall Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:39 AM To: irl-Kerry Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Fwd: Has anyone ever come across one of these? -- Letter of Freedom All those wanting to marry in the Catholic Church in their adopted country, those who left Ireland, had to have what they called a "Letter of Freedom" this would say, that they were baptized, and were free to marry, and were a Catholic in good standing A letter of Freedom was required from each parish, that a person had lived in. For example, John and Mary were both baptized, Johjn in Kerry, and Mary in Scotland. Roman Catholics. And if John & Mary had met in New York where they lived for a time and wanted to get married in Seattle, they might need those letters from parishes in NY and Seattle, too. Just saying. Ray Marshall Where the first game for the first baseball game of the season in Minnesota will be be welcomed by freezing (0 C, 32F) temperatures. _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All those wanting to marry in the Catholic Church in their adopted country, those who left Ireland, had to have what they called a "Letter of Freedom" this would say, that they were baptized, and were free to marry, and were a Catholic in good standing A letter of Freedom was required from each parish, that a person had lived in. For example, John and Mary were both baptized, Johjn in Kerry, and Mary in Scotland. Roman Catholics. And if John & Mary had met in New York where they lived for a time and wanted to get married in Seattle, they might need those letters from parishes in NY and Seattle, too. Just saying. Ray Marshall Where the first game for the first baseball game of the season in Minnesota will be be welcomed by freezing (0 C, 32F) temperatures.

Hi Michael, For what its worth, my surname Donaghey/Donaghy, I am frequently called Donoghue/Donahue although its not one of my Kerry names, in my case the name is from Tyrone, but I would think the same happens in Kerry. I couldn't say for certain that Donoghue=Danahy (and the variations between) but I certainly wouldn't rule it out. As for a child's first name, I can say for certain and I am sure others will verify it, it was common for a subsequent child to have the given name of a child that died earlier. I have a best friend who did this in the 1970's and I thought it was an awful thing to do, but at the time I didn't know it used to be a common tradition. Might be worth comparing what you already had to the new possibilities and taking notice of the witnesses to see if anything jumps out to you. Very best of luck, Bernie. -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael danahy Sent: 30 March 2013 15:21 To: REG VOLK; DENNEHY@rootsweb.com; County Ireland Kerry Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] DONOGHUE GLENFLESK KILLAHA Thanks Reg for the 2 leads. Good sleuthing on your ipad. Two daughters named the same, Johannah, born 4 years apart. I'm guessing the first one died and the couple moved from Headfort to Killeen. I'm wondering what the prevailing opinion is whether or not DONOGHUE might have been pronounced DONAHEE, hence possibly written elsewhere by others as DENNEHY OR DANAHY?

Pandora's box, Michael. Variants and Irish origin - traditional view O'Donoghue and Dunphy from Ó Donnchadha MacDonagh from Mac Donnchadha Donaghy from Donnchaidh Danaher from Ó Danachair, later Ó Duineachair Dennehy from Ó Duineacha If you look at our society site (see below) and click on Name Variants you will see over 500 listed. In English, a name with 4 vowel sounds and a silent g spoken by Irishmen, who would have said something like O Dunahoo without much English, is inevitably going to lead to all sorts of interpretations! The names you mention are in there because in some families the name changed from generation to generation from/to one or other of the ones above (with trees to prove it). If you click on any name listed you will find the source/derivation In our DNA programme we have a Danehy and a Dennehy who are O'Donoghues of the Glens and a Donnachie and a Donougher who are Donohoes of Cavan alongside a Dunchue. Sorry, there is no clear cut answer! Cheers Rod Rod O'Donoghue Author of 'Heroic Landscapes: Irish Myth and Legend' and 'O'Donoghue People and Places' Founder of The O'Donoghue Society and The Irish Folklore Centre http://www.odonoghue.co.uk Email: rod@odonoghue.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael danahy Sent: 30 March 2013 15:21 To: REG VOLK; DENNEHY@rootsweb.com; County Ireland Kerry Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] DONOGHUE GLENFLESK KILLAHA Thanks Reg for the 2 leads. Good sleuthing on your ipad. Two daughters named the same, Johannah, born 4 years apart. I'm guessing the first one died and the couple moved from Headfort to Killeen. I'm wondering what the prevailing opinion is whether or not DONOGHUE might have been pronounced DONAHEE, hence possibly written elsewhere by others as DENNEHY OR DANAHY? On Mar 30, 2013, at 8:55 AM, REG VOLK wrote: > http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/f72fb8025 > 4167 > > http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/08b799025 > 4471 > > Reg > > Sent from my iPad > > On 2013-03-30, at 6:00 AM, michael danahy <mldanahy@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> I'm looking for descendants of the following couple or further info. The marriae is listed on irishgenealogy.ie. I love the new portal. >> >> Husband Wife >> Name MICHAEL DONOGHUE JOHANNA DONOGHUE >> Address HEADFORT NR >> Occupation NR NR >> Father NR DONOGHUE NR NR >> Mother NR NR NR NR >> Further details in the record >> Priest NR >> Husband Age NR >> Husband Denomination RC >> Husband Marital Status NR >> Wife Age NR >> Wife Marital Status NR >> Husband's Father's Occupation NR >> Wife's Father's Occupation NR >> Witness 1 MICHAEL DONOGHUE >> Witness 2 JOHANNA KENEDY >> About the record >> Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier >> N/R 478 N/R KY-RC-MA-46807 _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 8177 (20130330) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 8177 (20130330) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 8177 (20130330) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Caroline Most tenants did not have the opportunity to buy their farms until the Land Acts came into operation - They provided for a loan (similar to a mortgage) to tenants to buy out their farms. Most of the earliest purchases were in the 1890's and from then on to the 1920's. Clare On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Caroline Coffey <rangue@sky.com> wrote: > Hi to all my husbands family lived at Rangue Killorglin Co Kery since > about 1850's would they have been tenanats at that time ? When would > they have owned the land? Kind thanks Caroline > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the > Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a > wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is > at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi to all my husbands family lived at Rangue Killorglin Co Kery since about 1850's would they have been tenanats at that time ? When would they have owned the land? Kind thanks Caroline

Check the Griffiths Valuation to see if they were the tenants or lessors/owners. The valuation Office has the follow up Cancellation Books which show each successive owner from the original record down to the present. A fabulous source of changes in ownership. You'll want to get color copies of the pages. On Mar 30, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Caroline Coffey wrote: > Hi to all my husbands family lived at Rangue Killorglin Co Kery since > about 1850's would they have been tenanats at that time ? When would > they have owned the land? Kind thanks Caroline > _______________ > --------------- > > Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. > > To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ > > Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Reg for the 2 leads. Good sleuthing on your ipad. Two daughters named the same, Johannah, born 4 years apart. I'm guessing the first one died and the couple moved from Headfort to Killeen. I'm wondering what the prevailing opinion is whether or not DONOGHUE might have been pronounced DONAHEE, hence possibly written elsewhere by others as DENNEHY OR DANAHY? On Mar 30, 2013, at 8:55 AM, REG VOLK wrote: > http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/f72fb80254167 > > http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/08b7990254471 > > Reg > > Sent from my iPad > > On 2013-03-30, at 6:00 AM, michael danahy <mldanahy@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> I'm looking for descendants of the following couple or further info. The marriae is listed on irishgenealogy.ie. I love the new portal. >> >> Husband Wife >> Name MICHAEL DONOGHUE JOHANNA DONOGHUE >> Address HEADFORT NR >> Occupation NR NR >> Father NR DONOGHUE NR NR >> Mother NR NR NR NR >> Further details in the record >> Priest NR >> Husband Age NR >> Husband Denomination RC >> Husband Marital Status NR >> Wife Age NR >> Wife Marital Status NR >> Husband's Father's Occupation NR >> Wife's Father's Occupation NR >> Witness 1 MICHAEL DONOGHUE >> Witness 2 JOHANNA KENEDY >> About the record >> Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier >> N/R 478 N/R KY-RC-MA-46807

I don't know about the pronunciation, but MacLysaght (Surnames of Ireland) shows O Dennehy as O Doineannaigh in Irish, with O Danahy as a variant and the English name Denny sometimes used in Kerry for Dennehy. O Donoghue (or Donohue) is O Donnchadha in Irish. I'll leave it to the Irish-speakers to say how the names in Irish would be pronounced. Paul Keroack ________________________________ From: michael danahy <mldanahy@bellsouth.net> To: REG VOLK <regvolk@shaw.ca>; DENNEHY@rootsweb.com; County Ireland Kerry <IRL-KERRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, March 30, 2013 11:21:12 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] DONOGHUE GLENFLESK KILLAHA Thanks Reg for the 2 leads. Good sleuthing on your ipad. Two daughters named the same, Johannah, born 4 years apart. I'm guessing the first one died and the couple moved from Headfort to Killeen. I'm wondering what the prevailing opinion is whether or not DONOGHUE might have been pronounced DONAHEE, hence possibly written elsewhere by others as DENNEHY OR DANAHY? On Mar 30, 2013, at 8:55 AM, REG VOLK wrote: > http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/f72fb80254167 > > http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/08b7990254471 > > Reg > > Sent from my iPad > > On 2013-03-30, at 6:00 AM, michael danahy <mldanahy@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> I'm looking for descendants of the following couple or further info. The >>marriae is listed on irishgenealogy.ie. I love the new portal. >> >> Husband Wife >> Name MICHAEL DONOGHUE JOHANNA DONOGHUE >> Address HEADFORT NR >> Occupation NR NR >> Father NR DONOGHUE NR NR >> Mother NR NR NR NR >> Further details in the record >> Priest NR >> Husband Age NR >> Husband Denomination RC >> Husband Marital Status NR >> Wife Age NR >> Wife Marital Status NR >> Husband's Father's Occupation NR >> Wife's Father's Occupation NR >> Witness 1 MICHAEL DONOGHUE >> Witness 2 JOHANNA KENEDY >> About the record >> Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier >> N/R 478 N/R KY-RC-MA-46807 _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm looking for descendants of the following couple or further info. The marriae is listed on irishgenealogy.ie. I love the new portal. Husband Wife Name MICHAEL DONOGHUE JOHANNA DONOGHUE Address HEADFORT NR Occupation NR NR Father NR DONOGHUE NR NR Mother NR NR NR NR Further details in the record Priest NR Husband Age NR Husband Denomination RC Husband Marital Status NR Wife Age NR Wife Marital Status NR Husband's Father's Occupation NR Wife's Father's Occupation NR Witness 1 MICHAEL DONOGHUE Witness 2 JOHANNA KENEDY About the record Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier N/R 478 N/R KY-RC-MA-46807 The church register page containing this record has not yet been imaged. Report any error in transcription.

I may have posted this before, but I'm not sure if I ever found someone else who had something like it. The following is from a piece of paper my great-aunt (in Massachusetts) had kept for many years. The envelope she put the paper in said: "Patrick Kelley's notice of baptismal when leaving Ireland." Note: my great-grandfather added the extra "e" to his surname, I think, because he had three siblings come before him to America who did the same thing. The brackets contain words that were unclear: "{I} baptized heare {Patrick} Kelly from the Paris {h} Barradure in the Co-{Kerry} the 18 February 1855. His character is irreproachable. John Shanahan [P] [P] Glenflesk + Barradure September 22, 1877" Has anyone else come across a document similar to this? If so, I'm very curious about your document story. ~Patsy

Just guessing There were no Irish civil records for Catholics before 1864 (?) so it was probably smart to bring a baptismal certificate. If nothing else, that would be requested when he got married to someone in a Catholic Church. But probably not necessary. In those days, a document like that would tend to get lost. I don't think that they worried too much about "character" at Castle Garden in those days. Only if you have some money to get to your final destination in the U.S., and not having any dangerous communicable diseases like smallpox or TB. It just might be that the parish priest had some experience that madehim want to give that document to all of his parishioners who were emigrating. Ray Marshall In Minneapolis where it didn't make 60 today, and probably not tomorrow, either. -----Original Message----- From: irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-kerry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of n2genealogy@comcast.net Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 4:19 PM To: Kerry List Subject: [IRL-KERRY] Has anyone ever come across one of these? I may have posted this before, but I'm not sure if I ever found someone else who had something like it. The following is from a piece of paper my great-aunt (in Massachusetts) had kept for many years. The envelope she put the paper in said: "Patrick Kelley's notice of baptismal when leaving Ireland." Note: my great-grandfather added the extra "e" to his surname, I think, because he had three siblings come before him to America who did the same thing. The brackets contain words that were unclear: "{I} baptized heare {Patrick} Kelly from the Paris {h} Barradure in the Co-{Kerry} the 18 February 1855. His character is irreproachable. John Shanahan [P] [P] Glenflesk + Barradure September 22, 1877" Has anyone else come across a document similar to this? If so, I'm very curious about your document story. ~Patsy _______________ --------------- Policies of the IRL-Kerry List: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/mailing.html To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To subscribe to the Digest version of the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'subscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message. To visit the County Kerry Research and Resources Page go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ Share your stuff! If you transcribed research data, share it with the Irish genealogy community. Contribute it to the Kerry website to reach a wide audience. Contact Ann Hammer, data maintenance. Her contact info is at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/ contrib.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-KERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Ray, looks like something interesting to check out. Florida was only 46 this morning so your weather is not bad, considering..... Liz

Great information Ray! Thanks so much. Margaret

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I just did a quick survey of the Bureau of Military History database and it seems to have entries for not just the major communities of Kerry, but also of all Ireland. I found information on Limerick, Cork, Dublin, Belfast and Donegal. I didn't find any entries for "my home town", Meenleitrim North, so probably you might not find entries for your Townland; but give it a try and let us know. And, I found their internal search engine that will save you from having to http://www.bureauofmilitaryhistory.ie/bmhsearch/search.jsp?querystr= Just enter the town after the = sign. But, you can search for your personal names by entering them within quotation marks: "Michael Murphy." And if you know your town, you can search for "michael murphy" and Tralee. If you don't put "Michael Murphy" in quotation marks, you will get results for every "Murphy" in Ireland at the time. 1,367! Remember that this data base contains information between the years 1913 and 1921. Ray Marshall Minneapolis, still waiting for that 50 degree temp today. A Happy and Holy Easter to you all! -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Jensen [mailto:reachpatricia@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:34 PM To: Ray Marshall Subject: Re: [IRL-KERRY] Knocknagoshel and Brosna Military Names On 29/03/2013, at 10:25 AM, Ray Marshall wrote: Thanks Ray Will spend a bit of time on that Trish > > This site has ten pages of information on the following Knocknagoshel > names active in the IRA between 1914 and 1921 in the region around > Brosna > > > <http://www.bureauofmilitaryhistory.ie/bmhsearch/search.jsp?querystr=b > rosna> > http://www.bureauofmilitaryhistory.ie/bmhsearch/search.jsp?querystr=brosna > > > > <http://www.bureauofmilitaryhistory.ie/bmhsearch/search.jsp?querystr=k > nockna > goshel> > http://www.bureauofmilitaryhistory.ie/bmhsearch/search.jsp?querystr=kn > ocknag > oshel > > > > You could substitute, say, Killarney, Kenmare, Ballybunion, etc., > after the "=" sign and see if you might strike gold!!! > > For example, I substituted Tralee and came up with 7 names: But the 7 > names for Tralee might come up with the names of 100 more names. > > Just a guess, but I looked at the one of the Tralee results and it > seemed to me that these might be "informer reports" giving the names > and functions of men in the IRA during those days. Some of them seem > to be incident reports of IRA activity (ambushes, etc?). Please > inform the list if you can figure that out. I don't have the time > right now to spend a lot of time on what looks to be a good size list. > > Good Luck! This might be a great resource. > > > > Ray Marshall > Where it might be 50 degrees F tomorrow, for the first time since > November, in Minnesota. >