Pádraig at pcasey@compuserve.com writes: > I've been trying to find the origin of the place name Camel Park in the townland of Shanballysallagh in the parish of Kilkeedy in Co.Clare. <snip> If any other listers have an explanation for the name "Camel Park" given to a tiny rural settlement in the West of Ireland I'd be pleased to hear it. < Pádraig, I would guess that a circus - with a bunch of ruminants - stopped there some time in the past <gr>. But seriously, folks....... I don't have a clue. I looked through O'Donovan's Clare OS Letters (I'm sure you did that, too), and didn't find anything applicable (BTW, is the church ruin in the townland the one O'Donovan calls Kill-Taice? I've been to most of the ruins in the parish, but not that one.) There are a few websites I use for Irish placenames, as well as a mailing list. The placename mailing list is one of a collection of Irish-related Yahoo lists, which can be found at: >> http://www.maqqi.supanet.com/index.htm <<. For websites, I use the NI Placenames (not exclusively for NI, however) site at: >> http://www.n-ireland.co.uk/genealogy/placenames/index.htm << (When I get desperate, I contact one of the Placenames Project's personnel directly). Another useful URL is Hogan's Onomasticon, at UCC's Celt project: >> http://minerva.ucc.ie:6336/dynaweb/locus/dictionary/@Generic__BookView << (I have inquired "what happened to the letter 'M' ", but no response yet. I think it disappeared recently.) There is a Placenames Forum - "sort of" associated with the NI Placenames Project: This is the URL I have bookmarked for my use, but you'd probably have to go to one of the registration links to submit a query. Anyway, here goes the entire URL: >> http://www.n-ireland.co.uk/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Irish+Placenames&number=10&DaysPrune=1000&LastLogin= << It's possible that there are cookies involved, and you might have to prune some of the end portions of the URL to make it work. Here are two websites (different computers, same no-longer-existent database) which were wonderful, while they lasted. Joe Desbonnet (I think that is his surname) at Galway.net had a program which searched many non-townland sites within individual counties, such as bridges, rivers, etc. in addition to many townlands. But several months ago, it disappeared. I've tried to find out what happened, but no responses from Galway.net. In the hope that they may returen, here are the two URLs: >> http://test.galway.net:8080/gcs/GCS?h=gis.listplaces&c=10 << or >> http://www.galway.net/gcs/GCS?h=gis.listplaces&c=10 << (Write to Joe@galway.net and ask him what happened to the placenames database <gr>). I've had occasional success with the following URL (but a bit slow to use, for me): >> http://www.calle.com/world/EI/ << I have lots more bookmarked, of varying quality and detail (most are too short and too general): >> http://indigo.ie/~rcd/ << >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/glossary.htm << >> http://www.loughman.dna.ie/general/placenames.html << >> http://www.ceantar.org/Dicts/MB2/index.html << >> http://www.ulsterplacenames.org/ << >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/resgeoterm.html << >> http://www.geographyinaction.co.uk/Townlands/pnamesmeaning.html << >> http://www.traveljournals.net/explore/ireland/locations/m/20.html << >> http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabulary/tgn/index.html << I think most of this latter bunch work, but I haven't tested them all in some time. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

what a meaty posting pete with all those name place resources. it was so interesting that i lost sense of time and missed breakfast which is why i am now rushing down the freeway with a danish between my teeth and a coffee in one hand and a cellphone clamped between head and shoulder and pecking at this email and programming the gps with the other hand and having to watch out for silly drivers like the one that just swerved in front of me obviously wasnt paying attention its amazing how careless some drivers can be they ought to do something about it anyway that bunch of resources you sent is going to go right into my favourites in the placenames folder many thanks for this super set of leads the church ruin in the clare townland of shanballysallagh is called templenadeirca - the church of charity or alms. killtacky mor and beg are a few miles nnw of shanballysallagh. must stop now as im turning off the freeway padraig the paddy that was -----Original Message----- From: IRL-GALWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:IRL-GALWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PeteScherm@aol.com Sent: 23 November 2004 02:04 To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GALWAY] Re: Castlecomer and Camel Park Pádraig at pcasey@compuserve.com writes: > I've been trying to find the origin of the place name Camel Park in the townland of Shanballysallagh in the parish of Kilkeedy in Co.Clare. <snip> If any other listers have an explanation for the name "Camel Park" given to a tiny rural settlement in the West of Ireland I'd be pleased to hear it. < Pádraig, I would guess that a circus - with a bunch of ruminants - stopped there some time in the past <gr>. But seriously, folks....... I don't have a clue. I looked through O'Donovan's Clare OS Letters (I'm sure you did that, too), and didn't find anything applicable (BTW, is the church ruin in the townland the one O'Donovan calls Kill-Taice? I've been to most of the ruins in the parish, but not that one.) There are a few websites I use for Irish placenames, as well as a mailing list. The placename mailing list is one of a collection of Irish-related Yahoo lists, which can be found at: >> http://www.maqqi.supanet.com/index.htm <<. For websites, I use the NI Placenames (not exclusively for NI, however) site at: >> http://www.n-ireland.co.uk/genealogy/placenames/index.htm << (When I get desperate, I contact one of the Placenames Project's personnel directly). Another useful URL is Hogan's Onomasticon, at UCC's Celt project: >> http://minerva.ucc.ie:6336/dynaweb/locus/dictionary/@Generic__BookView << (I have inquired "what happened to the letter 'M' ", but no response yet. I think it disappeared recently.) There is a Placenames Forum - "sort of" associated with the NI Placenames Project: This is the URL I have bookmarked for my use, but you'd probably have to go to one of the registration links to submit a query. Anyway, here goes the entire URL: >> http://www.n-ireland.co.uk/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&fo rum=Irish+Placenames&number=10&DaysPrune=1000&LastLogin= << It's possible that there are cookies involved, and you might have to prune some of the end portions of the URL to make it work. Here are two websites (different computers, same no-longer-existent database) which were wonderful, while they lasted. Joe Desbonnet (I think that is his surname) at Galway.net had a program which searched many non-townland sites within individual counties, such as bridges, rivers, etc. in addition to many townlands. But several months ago, it disappeared. I've tried to find out what happened, but no responses from Galway.net. In the hope that they may returen, here are the two URLs: >> http://test.galway.net:8080/gcs/GCS?h=gis.listplaces&c=10 << or >> http://www.galway.net/gcs/GCS?h=gis.listplaces&c=10 << (Write to Joe@galway.net and ask him what happened to the placenames database <gr>). I've had occasional success with the following URL (but a bit slow to use, for me): >> http://www.calle.com/world/EI/ << I have lots more bookmarked, of varying quality and detail (most are too short and too general): >> http://indigo.ie/~rcd/ << >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/glossary.htm << >> http://www.loughman.dna.ie/general/placenames.html << >> http://www.ceantar.org/Dicts/MB2/index.html << >> http://www.ulsterplacenames.org/ << >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/resgeoterm.html << >> http://www.geographyinaction.co.uk/Townlands/pnamesmeaning.html << >> http://www.traveljournals.net/explore/ireland/locations/m/20.html << >> http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabulary/tgn/index.html << I think most of this latter bunch work, but I haven't tested them all in some time. 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