In addition to being a census substitute, the Griffith's valuation can provide family history clues which cannot be found in a census (see www.leitrim-roscommon.com/GRIFFITH/Griffiths.PDF , an excellent primer on the Griffith's valuation and strongly recommended reading for anyone scanning the Griffith's tables). Paddy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MK Douglas Sent: 19 February 2009 16:43 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] Photo added Phyllis-- You probably know this, but I thought I should mention it for the benefit of any new researchers. Griffith's is a census subtitute, not a census. It was done over a number of years to valuate land holdings. You will only find the names of those who owned or leased land, and you will not find out who else or how many others were in the household . Also, you may also find the same people listed more than once. Griffith's is certainly invaluable, but is not the same as a census. Kathleen --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Phyllis M. Phillips <[email protected]> wrote: From: Phyllis M. Phillips <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] Photo added To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 8:06 AM Have you checked the site I sent over for a 1851 census which was called Griffens On Feb 18, 2009, at 10:30 PM, VERONICA HAGIN wrote: > Hi Christina: > > We received and opened your phots---they are beautiful! > > You are so lucky. My great great grandfather JOHN THORNTON and his > wife ANN nee HAMILTON, left County Galway in 1830 and migrated to > Liverpool, Lancashire. In all subsequent England Census, his four > Irish-born children consistently gave the County of Galway as their > birth place but nothing else. My direct lineage, JOHN THORNTON was > born in Ormskirk, Lancashire in 1830+/-. > > As his great, great granddaughter, born in Northumberland, UK in 1932, > I immigrated to north America in 1956. Have been fortunate to > recovered all of JOHN'S English-born relatives but have no place to > start with his Ireland-born ancestors. With three American-born > daughters and seven grandchildren, my bibliography on our ancestors > is almost complete but would love to go backwards into the County of > Galway. Does anyone have any suggestions? > > Veronica THORNTON Hagin > northern California > > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 6:20 PM, Phyllis M. Phillips wrote: > >> How do you pull it up where do you click?? >> >> >> On Feb 18, 2009, at 7:07 PM, Christina Finn Hunt wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> We have had our first family photo added to the Galway section of >>> the IGP >>> Archives. >>> I thought some of you would like to get a feel for what we are >>> trying to >>> accomplish with shared photos and data. >>> http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/galway/photos.htm >>> >>> To contribute: >>> http://www.genrecords.org/irfiles/ >>> >>> Regards, >>> Christina >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
James R. Reilly (who wrote the excellent article Paddy mentioned) also wrote a short book called Richard Griffith and His Valuations of Ireland. It has even more information in the same vein as the article. You can see a preview of Reilly's book at Google books. The page views will be limited, but you can get a good idea of the usefulness of this book from what you can see online. I include below a link to the cover page, from which you can look at the Table of Contents and other available pages. http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=MqAYwjPXVngC&dq=Richard+Griffith+and+His+Valuations+of+Ireland&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=0iUUHkm0mu&sig=93wQLYEkvVdeZPsfIzECHYSH7mk I recommend Reilly's book for anyone who wants to get more out of the entries in Griffith's Valuation and its supporting documents. The Valuation in Ireland was a complex thing. It is a record of property valuation and taxation, not a census. (And as with most taxation, it never ended!) It was begun in different years in different areas, and procedures changed when new laws were passed. The Valuation records include several different manuscript books which preceded (in time) the printed or published version, which is commonly called Griffith's. Griffith's was then followed by years of Valuation Revision lists (the taxes being updated, names of old owners being struck off the list and new owners being penciled in, etc), all the way to recent times. Many of these documents that precede or follow Griffith's are available through microfilms from The Family History Library. If you really want to understand the documents you are looking at, you need to know something about them. Read. The more you know, the more you will be able to deduce from records. There is also an excellent article by David Ouimette (pronounced WE-MET) about the manuscript Valuation records (House Books, Field Books, Perambulation Books, etc.). It appeared in Vol. 27, No. 1 (Jan 2006) of The Septs, a publication of the Irish Genealogical Society International (IGSI), based in Minnesota, USA. If you are a member, you can access all the back issues of The Septs online at their website - including Ouimette's article. That is sometimes more convenient than searching for your dog-eared copy of a particular issue... I have to make a plug here for the IGSI (Irish Genealogical Society International). Their website is at http://www.irishgenealogical.org/. If you are a member, you can view and download any of the issues of IGSI’s quarterly journal The Septs since the beginning of its publication in 1980. It is a great publication, with many articles written by well-known Irish researchers. (So you could read David Ouimette's excellent article yourself online if you join.) They have been running a special on membership recently (not sure it is still going on) - get 2 others to join with you and you get your membership free. The details were at their website. There are many other reasons to join beyond receiving The Septs. They have a wonderful library in Minnesota, and the staff will do lookups for members for a nominal charge. Perhaps several people on the list will want to get together and join... I have been a member for many year and have benefited greatly. Regards, Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon, USA Patrick Casey wrote: > In addition to being a census substitute, the Griffith's valuation can > provide family history clues which cannot be found in a census (see > www.leitrim-roscommon.com/GRIFFITH/Griffiths.PDF , an excellent primer on > the Griffith's valuation and strongly recommended reading for anyone > scanning the Griffith's tables). > > Paddy
that was great how did you pull up the streets like that?? On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Patrick Casey wrote: > > In addition to being a census substitute, the Griffith's valuation can > provide family history clues which cannot be found in a census (see > www.leitrim-roscommon.com/GRIFFITH/Griffiths.PDF , an excellent > primer on > the Griffith's valuation and strongly recommended reading for anyone > scanning the Griffith's tables). > > Paddy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MK Douglas > Sent: 19 February 2009 16:43 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] Photo added > > > > Phyllis-- You probably know this, but I thought I should mention it > for the > benefit of any new researchers. Griffith's is a census subtitute, > not a > census. It was done over a number of years to valuate land > holdings. You > will only find the names of those who owned or leased land, and you > will not > find out who else or how many others were in the household . Also, > you may > also find the same people listed more than once. > > Griffith's is certainly invaluable, but is not the same as a census. > > Kathleen > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Phyllis M. Phillips <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Phyllis M. Phillips <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] Photo added > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 8:06 AM > > Have you checked the site I sent over for a 1851 census which was > called Griffens > > On Feb 18, 2009, at 10:30 PM, VERONICA HAGIN wrote: > >> Hi Christina: >> >> We received and opened your phots---they are beautiful! >> >> You are so lucky. My great great grandfather JOHN THORNTON and his >> wife ANN nee HAMILTON, left County Galway in 1830 and migrated to >> Liverpool, Lancashire. In all subsequent England Census, his four >> Irish-born children consistently gave the County of Galway as their >> birth place but nothing else. My direct lineage, JOHN THORNTON was >> born in Ormskirk, Lancashire in 1830+/-. >> >> As his great, great granddaughter, born in Northumberland, UK in >> 1932, >> I immigrated to north America in 1956. Have been fortunate to >> recovered all of JOHN'S English-born relatives but have no place to >> start with his Ireland-born ancestors. With three American-born >> daughters and seven grandchildren, my bibliography on our ancestors >> is almost complete but would love to go backwards into the County of >> Galway. Does anyone have any suggestions? >> >> Veronica THORNTON Hagin >> northern California >> >> >> On Feb 18, 2009, at 6:20 PM, Phyllis M. Phillips wrote: >> >>> How do you pull it up where do you click?? >>> >>> >>> On Feb 18, 2009, at 7:07 PM, Christina Finn Hunt wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> We have had our first family photo added to the Galway section of >>>> the IGP >>>> Archives. >>>> I thought some of you would like to get a feel for what we are >>>> trying to >>>> accomplish with shared photos and data. >>>> http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/galway/photos.htm >>>> >>>> To contribute: >>>> http://www.genrecords.org/irfiles/ >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Christina >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and >>>> the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message