Cathy - This is wonderful. I will order that film straight away :) But how did you get the film number, I could only find the one for the indexes. Sharon Sharon, If you look at RECORD SEARCH PILOT on familysearch.org, you can find the death in the indexes: This will give you the Volume and page number you need to obtain the correct film. I presume you have his death at age 54 in 1869? In this case (if it's the same George) it's TUAM volume 9 page 356. The film you need is 0101188. VERY important - this is NOT the film number given on the PILOT site, which refers to the INDEX film number only. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx There is indeed a system to the BMD indexes and records in Ireland. I have copied (below) from an earlier posting of mine to this list in 2004. It should explain the system, and how to find the correct film. If you are still confused, let me know... Cathy The LDS have filmed Irish birth records (as opposed to indexes) from 1864-80,1900-1913,1930-55 Marriage 1845-1870 (1845-64 non-catholic) and Death records 1864-70 They have filmed all the birth, marriage and death indexes,from 1864 (1845 non-catholic marriage ) On their website,they have ....entered Irish birth records up to 1880. The LDS catalogue lists all the Irish film numbers,by quarter year volumes. To find someone in Galway,you need volumes 4,9,14,19,depending on time of year,up to 1878: after 1878 just volume 4 and the appropriate time frame ( allowing up to 3 months to register the birth). Sometimes you will see separate film numbers for the same period,usually JUNE labelled 4-1,and 4-2. You will always need 4-1 EXCEPT for Tuam Registration District, which will be in volume 4-2. ( more children are born in Spring,so the JUNE volumes had to be split to accomodate the excess.Registration districts are entered alphabetically(not by county) and the split comes at "S"- Scariff is in 4-1 and Swineford in 4-2.) I have found that many parents took the whole 3 months to register the birth,so a child born in October one year might be found in the March volume for the next year. Also,when a fine was imposed for late registration,parents simply lied about the date of birth,with the result a child could be baptized before it was born! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Film 101188 is BIRTHS for 1869, volume 9. That's not what you want..... DEATHS for 1869 volume 9 is film #101701. Hope you get this before you order ! To find the series of LDS films for Births, Marriges and Deaths for the full REGISTRATION, not the Indexes, you first must realize there are 2 separate film series as Cathy wrote of. The Pilot search gives you the INDEX film and a corresponding film number. Thats for purposes of sourcing the information they give on the information page. Its not the film you need to order, so just ignore that film number. You then find the right film number by going to the LDS film catalog and looking for that film series. Follow this path : http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Enter Ireland in the searchbox at the PLACE SEARCH tab Then select CIVIL REGISTRATION [those words only, no other words like Indexes or handbooks] Then find this Title, its copy pasted as the Title is so long : Death records of Ireland, 1864-1870, with index of deaths, 1864-1921 Ireland. General Register Office You see when that long Title is selected, there is an obvious link to the Pilot Search. Thats for the Indexes in case someone wants to find them who is reading this. However, you want the REGISTRATIONs themselves so you must select VIEW FILM NOTES, a tab in the upper right corner of the page, that page offers the first of two pages full of 153 film numbers. The first page begins with the Index films which you scroll through. Right after the Indexes come the actual REGISTRATION films that have the original handwritten information we all are wanting to view. It will say "Deaths, v [1-10]" and the exact year with one film number given to order. Then on the second page is listed the rest of the 153 films. These films begin with 1864 and only go to 1870. Wish they had filmed more, but these are the only years that can be ordered. The Death Registration gives no parents names, only the deceased's name, residence, age at death, occupation, Informant's name and residence [and maybe the relationship to the deceased is given]. If you are looking for parent's name, they won't be on the Death Registration like Scotland. It wasn't a question the Registrar asked in Ireland. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA [the FHC nearby my home does not have film #101701] or I'd offer to look this one up. They do have 6 films covering volumes 1,2 7, 11, 12 and 17 of 1869...just not volume 9] --------------------------------------------

Thank you also Meg As I said to Cathy, I just can't believe how dense I was with this ... I guess its just the learning curve. Thanks for your help also. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. (it was hard teaching .. so much appreciated!) Sharon -----Original Message----- From: irl-galway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-galway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Meg Greenwood Sent: Friday, 3 December 2010 10:35 AM To: irl-galway@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-GALWAY] Film for DEATHS 1869, not Births Film 101188 is BIRTHS for 1869, volume 9. That's not what you want..... DEATHS for 1869 volume 9 is film #101701. Hope you get this before you order ! To find the series of LDS films for Births, Marriges and Deaths for the full REGISTRATION, not the Indexes, you first must realize there are 2 separate film series as Cathy wrote of. The Pilot search gives you the INDEX film and a corresponding film number. Thats for purposes of sourcing the information they give on the information page. Its not the film you need to order, so just ignore that film number. You then find the right film number by going to the LDS film catalog and looking for that film series. Follow this path : http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Enter Ireland in the searchbox at the PLACE SEARCH tab Then select CIVIL REGISTRATION [those words only, no other words like Indexes or handbooks] Then find this Title, its copy pasted as the Title is so long : Death records of Ireland, 1864-1870, with index of deaths, 1864-1921 Ireland. General Register Office You see when that long Title is selected, there is an obvious link to the Pilot Search. Thats for the Indexes in case someone wants to find them who is reading this. However, you want the REGISTRATIONs themselves so you must select VIEW FILM NOTES, a tab in the upper right corner of the page, that page offers the first of two pages full of 153 film numbers. The first page begins with the Index films which you scroll through. Right after the Indexes come the actual REGISTRATION films that have the original handwritten information we all are wanting to view. It will say "Deaths, v [1-10]" and the exact year with one film number given to order. Then on the second page is listed the rest of the 153 films. These films begin with 1864 and only go to 1870. Wish they had filmed more, but these are the only years that can be ordered. The Death Registration gives no parents names, only the deceased's name, residence, age at death, occupation, Informant's name and residence [and maybe the relationship to the deceased is given]. If you are looking for parent's name, they won't be on the Death Registration like Scotland. It wasn't a question the Registrar asked in Ireland. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA [the FHC nearby my home does not have film #101701] or I'd offer to look this one up. They do have 6 films covering volumes 1,2 7, 11, 12 and 17 of 1869...just not volume 9] -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all Everyone has been so helpful on the list I thought I would bounce a couple of more thoughts off you. George Phair is given as a gardener on any certificates I have found. One would assume he worked for someone on an estate - does anyone know what estate that would be in Tuam in the 1860's. Both his sons worked on the railway, George William Phair was a stoker and his brother Charles was a clerk. Does anyone know if there are records for the railways 1860 - 1900? Sharon