The civil birth index on familysearch.org shows John Felix Hosty's birth registered in 1904 in Tuam district. There are 4 Castletowns in Galway (the closest I can find to Castlecound), one in Tuam parish. Could be yours. Diane

Who has the site for the 1910-1911 census for him I lost my email On Apr 1, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Phyllis M. Phillips wrote: > http://www.galway.net/directory/search.jsp?q=Castlecound > > I think you are maybe right no such town yours must be it they do have the 191 census on line and he will show up as ten > > On Apr 1, 2010, at 1:27 PM, king133@juno.com wrote: > >> Castlecound > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.galway.net/directory/search.jsp?q=Castlecound I think you are maybe right no such town yours must be it they do have the 191 census on line and he will show up as ten On Apr 1, 2010, at 1:27 PM, king133@juno.com wrote: > Castlecound

Could not find her there are many Margaret Birminghams In fact I was talking with a women in Illinois and she has a Margaret and can't find hers so when i get to Dublin I told her I would check it out But thanks nice talking to you again Planning of leaving Fl and moving back to NH I will be-able to get to the NARA in Waltham On Mar 31, 2010, at 12:03 PM, DLCulhane@cs.com wrote: > If your grandmother was born after 1864, should be in the civil birth > registry (Dunmore registration district, index on line at familysearch.org > pilot). If still in Ireland in 1911, should be in on-line 1911 census > (nationalarchives.ie, 1901 reportedly on line soon). Dunmore records filmed by the LDS, > baptisms 1833-1860, 1877-1910, marriages 1833-1860, film 1279210 items 4-8. > National Library has more years, but good to do as much as you can from > home, to make the most of your time in Ireland. > > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If your grandmother was born after 1864, should be in the civil birth registry (Dunmore registration district, index on line at familysearch.org pilot). If still in Ireland in 1911, should be in on-line 1911 census (nationalarchives.ie, 1901 reportedly on line soon). Dunmore records filmed by the LDS, baptisms 1833-1860, 1877-1910, marriages 1833-1860, film 1279210 items 4-8. National Library has more years, but good to do as much as you can from home, to make the most of your time in Ireland. Diane

My grandmom was born in Dunmore and I have been there and I will be leaving in April for a return trip. It will be my cousin frist time we have everything done and will be doing some church records inn Dunmore and then in Dublin. I'm armed with info to look for. I want to find my grandmom birth and ifo on her mom and dad and if she has any brothers or sisters Phyllis Cambridge Ma

I am looking for the relatives of Allen and Jane (nee D'Arcy) Mitchell. Allen was born in Monaghan County but moved to Galway. They married in The Cathedral Church of Saint Mary (Church of Ireland)Tuam,County Galway in 1860 and lived in Tuam until at least 1863 when their second child was born. Sometime between January 1863 and February 1865 the family moved to the Clifden area. Between Feb. 1865 and Sept. 1867 the family lived at Daily Hill. Daily Hill is a house on a hill just southwest of Ballyconneely. Allan and Jane had two children in this house. The family moved again, this time they moved northeast, somewhere in Derrigimlagh, which is an area of bog land along the coast between Ballyconneely and Clifden. Between February 1870 and October 1875 the couple had three more children. Children's birth records indicate Allen's mother was probably named Mary. Jane's mother was probably named Peggy. Their marriage record indicates his fathers name was William. Jane's father's name was Michael. Both were farmers. The last child was born around late 1878 or early 1879. The family, except the first son Tom, immigrated to Canada around 1882 settling in Vivian Ontario. Tom went to Australia. The children were, Tom, Mary, Allan, Sarah, Elizabeth, John, Richard and Lucy. Jane had a brother named John D'Arcy, born about 1856 and a sister named Margaret. John was a Deacon and then a Priest in the Church of Ireland. He became Rev. John. D'Arcy, Precentor of St. John's Cathedral, Belize, and Principal of the Diocesan College for Boys before dying at his wife's parent house in West Rainton , England.

I am looking for information on an Edward Clarke who was born around 1820 in Galway. I think he married Bridget Coyne(Kine in Ireland and then emigrated to England. They are on the 1861 Chesterfield, England census along with their children Bridget,Thomas, Catherine, and Michael. My great-grandfather, Edward was born in that year. On the 1871 census a Patrick Clarke, age 34 is lasted as a lodger in their home, possibly Edward Sr's brother? Any help would be appreciated. Judy M.

I've found the B.V.M. archivist very helpful. Lifka, Sister Mary Lauranne <MLLIFKA@bvmcong.org> I don't know the others, but I would imagine each order would have a biographical sketch of each religious. Julie

Michael's civil death registration (the volume and page can be found in the familysearch index) would give his age, marital status, occupation, cause and place of death, and name and residence of informant (usually a relative). Death notices not common, but it doesn't hurt to ask. There is an 1874 marriage registration, too. If that's your Michael, will give his father's name. Tuam RC records have been filmed by the LDS to 1790. They would give you lots more information, though harder to read. Diane

Diane,   Thanks so much for your March 8, 2010 reply to my query of the same day regarding the Kilbeg family of Tuam, Co. Galway. Your reply included two Chicago death notices connected to people named Kilbeg one from Tuam. I will contact my friend, the Kilbeg descendant, regarding that much appreciated information   Your having provided death notices makes me wonder about death notices in Co. Galway. Michael Kilbeg the husband of Bridget  Mc Hugh was said by US family to have died in 1901 in Tuam. Since Bridget age 60 and son Thomas age 28 were listed in the 1911 census as living in rural Tuam, the townland of Toberjarlath, I assume that is where Michael died rather than in Tuam itself.   Any US death notices that I have seen of the non wealthy or non famous  prior to maybe  the 1950s have next to no information beyond the place the body would be waked with in most instances no explanation of how the person who held  the wake was related to the deceased. They mostly gave the time of the wake, said what time various sodality groups should show up en masse, the time of the church service naming the church and name of the cemetery.   I am assuming that a death notice from around 1900 in Tuam would also give very little genealogical information. But I also know that it is not smart to assume. So my questions to anyone on this mailing list not just you Diane are:  #1 did Tuam in 1901 have a newspaper?, #2 would a death notice for someone like Michael Kilbeg, probably a farmer without his own land or much money, even be in a newspaper and #3 if there was a notice would it usually have genealogical information?   Thanks to anyone on the list for help on any of these questions.   Mary Quirk-Thompson Milwaukee Wisconsin USA

Here's two obituaries that may help. Diane Chicago Tribune (IL) - May 01, 1972 Dolan Deceased Name: Julia M. Dolan, nee Kilbeg Julia M. Dolan, nee Kilbeg , beloved wife of the late Frank; loving mother of Sister Anne Marie, B. V. M., Frances [Armand] Andreoni and Cyril [Alice] Dolan; dear grandmother of 11. Funeral Wednesday, 9:15 a.m. from Ridge Funeral Home, 6620-28 W. Archer Av., corner of Natoma Av., to St. Jane de Chantal Church. Interment Mount Carmel Cemetery. Native of Tuam, Co. Galway, Ireland. Visitation after 7 p.m. Monday. 586-7900. Chicago Tribune (IL) - January 23, 1959 MITCHELL Deceased Name: Lawrence J. Mitchell Lawrence J. Mitchell, Jan. 20, 1959, at Wilkes-Barre, Pa., husband of the late Mary, nee Kilbeg ; father of Sister Marie Kathleen, O. P., and Thomas J. Mitchell; brother of Mrs. Mary Naughton, Mrs. Anna McGreal, Sister Mary Bertrand, R. S. M., and Sister Mary Mechtildes, R. S. M. Funeral Saturday, 9 a.m., from funeral home, 2035 E. 79th street, at Jeffery boulevard, to St. Clara's church. Mass 9:30 a.m. Interment Mount Olivet. SOuth Shore 8-1610.

Looking for descendants of Michael Kilbeg d 1901 Tuam Galway and Bridget McHugh Kilbeg b abt. 1851. They were the grandparents of my friend for whom I am researching.   Per the transcripts of the marriage records both civil and church (Roman Catholic) they married on August 29, 1874 in the civil Parish/District of Tuam 1, Co. Galway.  Michael’s surname was spelled either Kilbeg or Kilbig (different on each doc), his address was Carrowpeter Tuam and Bridget McHugh’s address was Vicar Street Tuam. They were married by Anthony Waters, C.C. Michael was a labourer and Bridget was a servant. They were of full age with no specific age given. He was bachelor (previously unmarried) and she was a spinster (previously unmarried).   Michael’s father Edmund Kilbeg was deceased at the time of the marriage. Edmund’s occupation was listed as landholder. Because the surname Kilbeg is uncommon I wonder if he is the Edmund who was listed in the Griffith’s Valuation taken in Galway in 1855. Bridget’s father was Patrick Mc Hugh a labourer. The two witnesses were Patrick Frain or Fraine (different on each doc) and Margaret Mahon. Family knows that Bridget McHugh’s mother was Judith Monaghan and that Michael Kilbeg’s mother was Julia Bane or Bain.   According to the 1911 Irish census Bridget Kilbeg, a widow age 60, was living in the rural part of Tuam, Carrowpeter townland with her son Thomas age 28. In the town of Tuam a Michael age 18 was living at the Tuam Club where he was steward. They were the only Kilbegs in Ireland in that census   Per the 1911 census Bridget was the mother of 7 children. Six were living in 1911. Per records available on the Internet three children born to Michael Kilbeg and Bridget Mc Hugh were:  Mary,  Birth: 25 MAY 1876 Tuam, Galway, Ireland, Edward Birth: 20 MAY 1878 Tuam, Galway, Ireland and John, Birth: 01 JUL 1880 Carrowpeter, , Galway, Ireland.  Per Ralph Connors a generous Irish researcher “For the following forenames and surname Kilbeg, with a father forenamed Michael, I found: B 1876 Mary, B 1878 Edmund, B 1880 John, B 1882 Thomas, B 1885 Margaret, B 1887 Julia,  B 1892 Michael.” Ralph Connors also mentioned that he “research(s) the Irish Family History Foundation's database. It contains 12,800,000 surviving rcds for abt 70% of Irish counties. Rcds are increasingly sparse B4 1840, rare B4 1800. Cos. Donegal and Derry were recently added to the database. Note 1 - Without a KNOWN county, the chance of an ancestor's rcds NOT being in this database is AT LEAST 30%. Note 2 - Only 1/2 of Co. Cork's rcds are in this database. Note 3 - The RC church kept control over most parish rcds from Tipperary (north). These are ONLY available thru the Tipperary Family History Research center at a substantial fee (regardless of outcome). Note 4 - Microfilms of parish church rcds are kept by the National Library of Ireland (NLI).”   Mary (Mae), Margaret and Julia immigrated to Chicago. Mae went to their uncle, Martin Mc Hugh, with her sisters coming later. Thomas and Michael were living in 1911, so it was either Edmund (Edward ?) or John who had died by then.   In Chicago Mae married a Mitchell and Julia married a Dolan. I do not have Margaret’s married name.   Any assistance in tracking down or connecting with this family would be greatly appreciated.   Mary Quirk-Thompson Milwaukee WI

I don't know about Ireland but I have plenty of examples from several lines of my family of North American gravestones being incorrect: these include ages and dates of death that don't match registration information and also incorrect names. My great-grandmother Ellen Todd's headstone has read Ellen Codd since it was put there in 1901, for example. Most of my family don't like paying for them in the first place and sure didn't want to pay for corrections. In any case, I'm not sure to what degree what is being called Irish naming patterns in this thread really is Irish. Part of my family is Scottish and they followed this pattern pretty religiously right down to the mid-1900s. I have also seen it followed in my lines from the north of Ireland who were either Scots-Irish or influenced by the Scots. In my father's line, my name is the first in seven generations that was not according to the pattern. My grandfather let my mother know what the expectations were from the family for my name and he was very displeased when she named my middle name after him rather than giving me his name. I have seen no trace of it in the several lines in my wife's family from Galway and Roscommon. An occasional name might appear to comply but the vast majority seem to have chosen names of uncles and aunts or other relatives. In addition, with our own children there was no pressure from the Irish side about names but no shortage of reminders from the Scottish side about traditions. John Carey -----Original Message----- From: irl-galway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-galway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of helenware Sent: March 5, 2010 3:27 PM To: irl-galway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] Irish naming patterns My family followed it also, and that is my mystery-on the gravestone it says my g.g.grandfather 's parents were Patrick and Ann "Mary"---but I find no records for those name-I do however find James and they named oldest son James-second son Hugh (after her father)-so I wonder if his sons had correct info when he died. I have found so many mistakes in names and dates from Family records--but I am not sure -they named first daughter after wife's Mother and second after his Mother--so it would seem the eldest named James would be after father's Dad. It just seems when you see a name engraved on the grave stone-it should be correct! Have any of you ever had this happen with names back in the early 1800's in Ireland? Helen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Records are as good as the informant. I have many filed records in recent times with errors in names (including my own birth cert) and headstones are not always correct either - my father's date is incorrect on his headstone. I know of a few instances of the informer on birth certs forgot what the baby's name was and made one up. The owner of the name didn't find out until they were adults and went to get a birth cert and none in the name they thought was theirs......etc. I don't know about early Ireland - Many headstones were paid for by the family members who emigrated and sent back the money. We can only assume it was family still at "home" who provided the information to erect the headstones. We all love these challenges and it is what makes the genealogical ride more interesting. Karin ----- Original Message ----- From: "helenware" <helenware@comcast.net> To: <irl-galway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] Irish naming patterns > My family followed it also, and that is my mystery-on the gravestone it > says my g.g.grandfather 's parents were Patrick and Ann "Mary"---but I > find > no records for those name-I do however find James and they named oldest > son > James-second son Hugh (after her father)-so I wonder if his sons had > correct > info when he died. I have found so many mistakes in names and dates from > Family records--but I am not sure -they named first daughter after wife's > Mother and second after his Mother--so it would seem the eldest named > James > would be after father's Dad. > It just seems when you see a name engraved on the grave stone-it should be > correct! > Have any of you ever had this happen with names back in the early 1800's > in > Ireland? > Helen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Irish naming patterns were not a hard-and-fast rule. Some of my ancestral families followed them and others didn't. The child's name was ultimately the parents' choice, and they could have reasons for preferring another name, such as the recent death of a much-loved aunt or uncle, sister or brother. Diane

My family followed it also, and that is my mystery-on the gravestone it says my g.g.grandfather 's parents were Patrick and Ann "Mary"---but I find no records for those name-I do however find James and they named oldest son James-second son Hugh (after her father)-so I wonder if his sons had correct info when he died. I have found so many mistakes in names and dates from Family records--but I am not sure -they named first daughter after wife's Mother and second after his Mother--so it would seem the eldest named James would be after father's Dad. It just seems when you see a name engraved on the grave stone-it should be correct! Have any of you ever had this happen with names back in the early 1800's in Ireland? Helen

Well said, Karin.  My mother always told me that her ggrandmother's name was "Rose Mulholland Maguigin", but she didn't know the name of her ggrandfther.  When I got the death cert for her for my mother's grandmother, the name of the father was listed as William, and the mother was listed as Unknown.  Now the informant was my mother's mother--she would have been the one who stated tht Rose ws the mother.  You have to take the emotional condition of the informant into account --- On Fri, 3/5/10, Karin A. Joyce <KarinJoyce@rcn.com> wrote: Records are as good as the informant.      

I am thinking that in my family, which emigrated to the US just post famine, the naming pattern ws replaced.  They still used family names, but the names seems to be those of relatives who were also in this area.  Example:  My ggrandmother's first daughter was named for her sister, and her second either for herself, or in my theory for her aunt who was here and very good to her.  My ggrandfather's first son was named for the person he lived with when he came--I believe that to be an older brother.   Kathleen

Here is a website with Irish naming patterns: http://ahd.exis.net/monaghan/irish-names-naming.htm and another: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlgal/index4.htm Just google and you mind find more info. My family stopped it in the 1930's. The first 3 children followed the pattern somewhat and then the remaining 5 were names they liked and none were named for other members of the previous generations. Karin