That is Irish for: "That's my story..." sort of like after you have chatted about stuff a sort of idiomatic statement. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geralyn Barry" <gbarry@proaxis.com> To: <irl-galway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:23 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] Meaning of Seneshcal? - correction > The correct URL is > > http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/l2.php > > The colon I wrote after it appears to have been included in the URL by > mistake. > > Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon, USA > > ================================ > Josie, one of the duties of a seneschal might involve presiding over the > manorial court. See for example, the entry for Loughrea in Lewis's > Topographical Dictionary (1837) at > http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/l2.php: > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Meaning of seneshcal. I would interrpret this as Clanriccarde's agent who acted in his absence dealing with tenant complants disputes etc paying his bill and acting on his behalf on all matters relating to his estate. Agents collected rents etc evicted people and did everyting a landlord might have done and were often more zealous in the execution of their duties than resident landlords. The agents of absentee landlords were natorious throughout much of our history. However for the landlord having an agent on hand meant people could go to him directly instead of writing to a solicitor in Dublin or London. Maire -----Original Message----- From: irl-galway-request@rootsweb.com To: irl-galway@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 25 May 2010 8:00 Subject: IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 75 Today's Topics: 1. Griffiths Index (Pat Connors) 2. Meaning of Seneshcal? (Josie de Moor) 3. (no subject) (edscout@aol.com) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 ate: Mon, 24 May 2010 08:37:31 -0700 rom: Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> ubject: [IRL-GALWAY] Griffiths Index o: irl-galway@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <4BFA9D3B.2090704@pacbell.net> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed According to the book, Richard Griffith and His Valuations of Ireland by ames R Reilly, he GV for County Galway was printed on the following dates: allinasloe Poor Law Union: Nov 20, 1856 alway PLU: Mar 7, 1855 oughrea PLU: Jun 10, 1856 ountbellow PLU: Aug 21, 1855 ortumna PLU: Jun 2, 1856 uam PLU: Dec 10, 1855 alway & Clare PLU: Aug 31, 1855 Can anyone tell me what year the Griffiths Valuations would have been done in Loughrea? Would this be the same year for all of Galway? The enumerators worked for many years previous to the printing to get he data ready to print. The original work in are various books, all and written (Quarto Books, House Books, Field Books and Tenure Books). hese were released in 2006 at the Archives of Ireland in Dublin and ave been filmed and released by the Family History Library. I you go o their site (FamilySearch.org) and where you search for films, put 262974 in film number search and it will take you to a section where ll the films are listed. As a rule of thumb, the enumeration took place from 1847 to 1864 and the rinting was a bit later. I have transcribed the House Books for the ipperary civil parish and they are online on my website on the ipperary section. What I found most interesting about these books is hey showed a progression of tenancy over a couple of years. You could ee a name, then it was crossed out because the tenant moved or died. he new tenant would then be written in. If related to the first enant, a note might be added like widow or son, etc. Sadly to say, not ll of the rough books have survived. -- at Connors, Sacramento, CA ttp://www.connorsgenealogy.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 ate: Mon, 24 May 2010 21:45:03 -0700 (PDT) rom: Josie de Moor <melkatste@yahoo.com.au> ubject: [IRL-GALWAY] Meaning of Seneshcal? o: IRL-GALWAY@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <327391.20039.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, am a little confused by the meaning of "seneschal". n the Directory of old trades it describes it as a "steward of?the household?of prince or noble man who took charge ?of domestic arrangments." At a dinner in 1824 given by Earl of Clanricard he is listed a steward Stewards- Thomas Shagwell, Esq., M.D.; Major Boulger; T.R. Hemsworth, Esq; J.H. idge, Esq.; Edmund Silk, Esq." his seems to fit with the description of the position but then?I found the ollowing? and now?I am confused. It seems he was of the gentry and in fact he id marry into quite a prominent family (Letitia the daughter of Thomas tratford EYRE) In the 1824 Pigots directory he is listed under gentry and clergy - Silk Edmund, esq, Seneschal, Church-lane" In Slaters directory 1846 he is listed under attorneys. and then I found this article Loughrea in 1847 his article was originally published in the 'Galway Advertiser' on 27th ebruary, 1847. A Shopkeeper" in Loughrea has written to us a letter on the great disadvantage he inhabitants are under in consequence of the want of a Seneschal in that own......For ourselves we are much surprised his lordship has not appointed a uccessor to the late Mr. Silk long ere this, and now when an all but a direct alls made upon him to accommodate the inhabitants of Loughrea, we are sure his ordship will feel but too happy in complying with their request." Obvoiusly a seneschal is more than just a steward of a household if his eath?could disrupt a town. an anyone help me? heers osie ------------------------------ Message: 3 ate: Tue, 25 May 2010 01:20:07 -0400 rom: edscout@aol.com ubject: [IRL-GALWAY] (no subject) o: hendersn1@embarqmail.com, hbeegan@totton.ac.uk, hill.tony.web@flsenate.gov, hthamann@gmail.com, huzzymay@gmail.com, info@arthritiscenter.org, irl-galway@rootsweb.com, irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, jackgenz@comcast.net essage-ID: <8CCC9E1133754F8-2054-7589@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://sylvanparking.com/home.php ----------------------------- To contact the IRL-GALWAY list administrator, send an email to RL-GALWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. 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The correct URL is http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/l2.php The colon I wrote after it appears to have been included in the URL by mistake. Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon, USA ================================ Josie, one of the duties of a seneschal might involve presiding over the manorial court. See for example, the entry for Loughrea in Lewis's Topographical Dictionary (1837) at http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/l2.php:

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Josie, one of the duties of a seneschal might involve presiding over the manorial court. See for example, the entry for Loughrea in Lewis's Topographical Dictionary (1837) at http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/l2.php: A manorial court is held before the seneschal; petty sessions are held every Thursday, and quarter sessions twice in the year before the assistant barrister for the county. You can read more about the duties of the seneschal in the following law passed in 1826: An Act to amend the Laws for the Recovery of Small Debts, and the Proceedings for that Purpose, in the Manor Courts in Ireland. It is printed in the following: The statutes of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland [1807-1865] - page 114, online at Google Books. Just do a search at Google books (http://books.google.com) using the terms seneschal ireland An Act to amend the Laws for the Recovery of Small Debts and look for the citation mentioned above. The Manor Courts remained part of the court system in Ireland until they were abolished in 1859. The same search as above also yields that law abolishing the courts, in The Irish jurist, Volume 11. These two citations should clarify the role of the seneschal for you. If you want more, you might also try a Google search with the terms "manor courts" ireland seneschal . Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon, USA On 5/24/2010 9:45 PM, Josie de Moor wrote: > Obvoiusly a seneschal is more than just a steward of a household if his death could disrupt a town. > Can anyone help me? > Cheers > Josie >

Hi all, I am a little confused by the meaning of "seneschal". In the Directory of old trades it describes it as a "steward of the household of a prince or noble man who took charge  of domestic arrangments." At a dinner in 1824 given by Earl of Clanricard he is listed a steward "Stewards- Thomas Shagwell, Esq., M.D.; Major Boulger; T.R. Hemsworth, Esq; J.H. Ridge, Esq.; Edmund Silk, Esq." This seems to fit with the description of the position but then I found the following  and now I am confused. It seems he was of the gentry and in fact he did marry into quite a prominent family (Letitia the daughter of Thomas Stratford EYRE) In the 1824 Pigots directory he is listed under gentry and clergy - "Silk Edmund, esq, Seneschal, Church-lane" In Slaters directory 1846 he is listed under attorneys. and then I found this article "Loughrea in 1847 This article was originally published in the 'Galway Advertiser' on 27th February, 1847. "A Shopkeeper" in Loughrea has written to us a letter on the great disadvantage the inhabitants are under in consequence of the want of a Seneschal in that town......For ourselves we are much surprised his lordship has not appointed a successor to the late Mr. Silk long ere this, and now when an all but a direct calls made upon him to accommodate the inhabitants of Loughrea, we are sure his lordship will feel but too happy in complying with their request." Obvoiusly a seneschal is more than just a steward of a household if his death could disrupt a town. Can anyone help me? Cheers Josie

Josie GSQ has the microfiche for the Griffiths, they are in the section of Irish microfiche near the steps beside the office. Also I recall seeing queries for the SILK name on the list a couple of years ago, as I had a film out at the time and the name appeared, check the Site Archives for past emails Barbara GSQ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josie de Moor" <melkatste@yahoo.com.au> To: <IRL-GALWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 7:28 PM Subject: [IRL-GALWAY] Griffiths Index Hi, Can anyone tell me what year the Griffiths Valuations would have been done in Loughrea? Would this be the same year for all of Galway? Ta Josie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to the book, Richard Griffith and His Valuations of Ireland by James R Reilly, The GV for County Galway was printed on the following dates: Ballinasloe Poor Law Union: Nov 20, 1856 Galway PLU: Mar 7, 1855 Loughrea PLU: Jun 10, 1856 Mountbellow PLU: Aug 21, 1855 Portumna PLU: Jun 2, 1856 Tuam PLU: Dec 10, 1855 Galway & Clare PLU: Aug 31, 1855 > Can anyone tell me what year the Griffiths Valuations would have been done > in Loughrea? Would this be the same year for all of Galway? > The enumerators worked for many years previous to the printing to get the data ready to print. The original work in are various books, all hand written (Quarto Books, House Books, Field Books and Tenure Books). These were released in 2006 at the Archives of Ireland in Dublin and have been filmed and released by the Family History Library. I you go to their site (FamilySearch.org) and where you search for films, put 2262974 in film number search and it will take you to a section where all the films are listed. As a rule of thumb, the enumeration took place from 1847 to 1864 and the printing was a bit later. I have transcribed the House Books for the Tipperary civil parish and they are online on my website on the Tipperary section. What I found most interesting about these books is they showed a progression of tenancy over a couple of years. You could see a name, then it was crossed out because the tenant moved or died. The new tenant would then be written in. If related to the first tenant, a note might be added like widow or son, etc. Sadly to say, not all of the rough books have survived. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento, CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

The townland of Tyrone consisted of the estate of the St George family, local landowners.. That itself was the land surrounding Tyrone House The road that runs past Tyrone House originally ran through the estate. I believe the records for Drumacoo chuchyard are available. I have not had a chance to study them yet. There are a number of other townlands surrounding Tyrone where people might have lived. The proprietor of the Neilan shop in Kilcolgan on the main Galway Limerick road is a mine of information and may know if anyone of that name still lives in the area. Kilcolgan Castle was the property of the St Georges as well but I believe that came at a later period. The only records at that time are the tithe applottments from 1828. Others may have links to those records. I have been told that there are also landlord records available in Dublin If you are looking for Lunny a search for Donal Lunny maybe of interest There was a famine in the 1830s which was not as wide spread as that of the 1840s. I have been trying to remember what was happening historically at that time. After the war with Napoleon was over there might not have been too much work about. This affected people domestically as there was no longer a need for horses etc and foodstuffs such as beef for the armies. There have bee one or two books published on the period. -----Original Message----- From: irl-galway-request@rootsweb.com To: irl-galway@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:06 Subject: IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 68 Today's Topics: 1. Re: IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 67 (L Fluhrer IIIrd) 2. Re: IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 67 (Phyllis M. Phillips) 3. Re: IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 67 (Phyllis M. Phillips) 4. Re: IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 67 (Phyllis M. Phillips) 5. Re: IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 67 (Phyllis M. Phillips) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 ate: Thu, 20 May 2010 07:53:54 -0400 rom: L Fluhrer IIIrd <len3@golden.net> ubject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 67 o: irl-galway@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <4BF522D2.50409@golden.net> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Phyllis: It's a bit confusing but County Tyrone People sent me here because what want is actually a Townland called Tyrone in County Galway. Townlands ere exact plots apparently where I believe Fanny Donelly later Lunney as born. There is a database someone sent me of Townlands and it eturned the following information: Townland: Tyrone rea: 267 acres ounty: Galway arony: Dunkellin arish:Drumacoo : Gort rovince: Connaught Which comes from the source that you quoted. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xm Trouble is the index is done after my families left Ireland so they on't show up here and John that remains doesn't show up in that ocation as well. :-( http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=37&Submit.y=13&Submit=Submit&familyname=Lunney&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=&unionname=&parishname= <http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=37&Submit.y=13&Submit=Submit&familyname=Lunney&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=&unionname=&parishname=> There are other Lunney's with same names however, in other areas that re said to be cousins of some sort the latest one to come from Ireland nd at our first ever family reunion last year about I think she said 1967. The area was run by a John Donelly or Donnelly for the Parish of rumacoo and he lived in a Gate at the old Motte. Apparently a Castle or eep there at one point now only empty farmland remains with ruins of a all. Believed both the Lunney and Donelly name in the same Parish area. ohn was the Gate Keeper. Then over in Canada at what would later become the town of Durham, Grey ounty, Ontario I know that a James Donnelly, Military Surveyor came nto the area with the first or second survey team from Port Hope area here I can also find the Lunney family on the 1861 Census. James onnelly had several sons and daughters one of which was John James onnelly but Fanny isn't listed as one of them although she fits erfectly between two siblings and her own daughter Margaret Lunney ppears to be named after one of the known sisters of the James Donnelly amily. John Donnely owned most of the land around Durham, Grey County n the 1878 Ontario Atlas maps at http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/ According to the Atlas he settled the farm II SDR, 45, 150 acres in the ear 1855 and was born in Ireland 1814 other records say 1821 and claim ounty Cavan, Ireland (but I'm unsure accuracy of the source.) Fanny is buried in a family plot that has family members of John onnelly in it one of the oldest graves in Durham Cemetery along with er husband in what looks to be a family plot that predates the rest of he cemetery. Almost visible on Google maps. They have an unidentified symbol on their graves that is repeated on amily graves elsewhere in Ontario. Looks like a shamrock but isn't. I've got the census for Canada if you look on the 1901 census at utomatedgenealogy.com it states she came to Canada 1833. I've not been ble to find a ships list that matches her stated date of arrive. Other amily members say 1834 so sometime in that period. Also believe they ere military men of the 84th Regiment and were in Canada after the merican revolution, recalled to fight Napolean after the War of 812-1814 and then returned back to their land in the recall issued by ol. Thomas Talbot late Nov 1831/32 in the build up to the 1837 ebellion that arrived from Ireland 1832 - 1836 period. Have land ecords in Hope dating to 1798 and a Lt. James and Lt. William Lunney ith lands in Sutton, Quebec 1802. Just need something to link them all together that is solid proof. The ists of Col. Talbot and Col. Simcoe are supposed to be in England or reland someplace. Does anyone have access to these rolls? The History of the County of Bruce County lists James Donnelly as ilitary Surveyor apparently with the Survey team of A.P. Borough P.L.S. ugust 26th 1848 that surveyed the future town of Durham, Bruce County later part of Grey County). Len ------------------------------ Message: 2 ate: Thu, 20 May 2010 08:57:05 -0400 rom: "Phyllis M. Phillips" <phyllism@pobox.com> ubject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 67 o: irl-galway@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <E05621BA-B515-4F03-927E-49FCEC559B86@pobox.com> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think you can type in the the townlands on this site which I got from Galway. have a friend that is this line and his wife did a lot and when I was in alway I saw a lot of stores with the name. I will be there in June On May 20, 2010, at 7:53 AM, L Fluhrer IIIrd wrote: > Hi Phyllis: It's a bit confusing but County Tyrone People sent me here because what I want is actually a Townland called Tyrone in County Galway. Townlands were exact plots apparently where I believe Fanny Donelly later Lunney was born. There is a database someone sent me of Townlands and it returned the following information: Townland: Tyrone Area: 267 acres County: Galway Barony: Dunkellin Parish:Drumacoo ?: Gort Province: Connaught Which comes from the source that you quoted. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xm Trouble is the index is done after my families left Ireland so they don't show up here and John that remains doesn't show up in that location as well. :-( http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=37&Submit.y=13&Submit=Submit&familyname=Lunney&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=&unionname=&parishname= > <http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=37&Submit.y=13&Submit=Submit&familyname=Lunney&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=&unionname=&parishname=> There are other Lunney's with same names however, in other areas that are said to be cousins of some sort the latest one to come from Ireland and at our first ever family reunion last year about I think she said 1967. The area was run by a John Donelly or Donnelly for the Parish of Drumacoo and he lived in a Gate at the old Motte. Apparently a Castle or Keep there at one point now only empty farmland remains with ruins of a wall. Believed both the Lunney and Donelly name in the same Parish area. John was the Gate Keeper. Then over in Canada at what would later become the town of Durham, Grey County, Ontario I know that a James Donnelly, Military Surveyor came into the area with the first or second survey team from Port Hope area where I can also find the Lunney family on the 1861 Census. James Donnelly had several sons and daughters one of which was John James Donnelly but Fanny isn't listed as one of them although she fits perfectly between two siblings and her own daughter Margaret Lunney appears to be named after one of the known sisters of the James Donnelly family. John Donnely owned most of the land around Durham, Grey County on the 1878 Ontario Atlas maps at http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/ According to the Atlas he settled the farm II SDR, 45, 150 acres in the year 1855 and was born in Ireland 1814 other records say 1821 and claim County Cavan, Ireland (but I'm unsure accuracy of the source.) Fanny is buried in a family plot that has family members of John Donnelly in it one of the oldest graves in Durham Cemetery along with her husband in what looks to be a family plot that predates the rest of the cemetery. Almost visible on Google maps. They have an unidentified symbol on their graves that is repeated on family graves elsewhere in Ontario. Looks like a shamrock but isn't. I've got the census for Canada if you look on the 1901 census at automatedgenealogy.com it states she came to Canada 1833. I've not been able to find a ships list that matches her stated date of arrive. Other family members say 1834 so sometime in that period. Also believe they were military men of the 84th Regiment and were in Canada after the American revolution, recalled to fight Napolean after the War of 1812-1814 and then returned back to their land in the recall issued by Col. Thomas Talbot late Nov 1831/32 in the build up to the 1837 Rebellion that arrived from Ireland 1832 - 1836 period. Have land records in Hope dating to 1798 and a Lt. James and Lt. William Lunney with lands in Sutton, Quebec 1802. Just need something to link them all together that is solid proof. The lists of Col. Talbot and Col. Simcoe are supposed to be in England or Ireland someplace. Does anyone have access to these rolls? The History of the County of Bruce County lists James Donnelly as Military Surveyor apparently with the Survey team of A.P. Borough P.L.S. August 26th 1848 that surveyed the future town of Durham, Bruce County (later part of Grey County). Len ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ----------------------------- Message: 3 ate: Thu, 20 May 2010 08:58:02 -0400 rom: "Phyllis M. Phillips" <phyllism@pobox.com> ubject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 67 o: irl-galway@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <1320CA14-BA03-48E3-B484-070165E50B78@pobox.com> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Check out this page on it ttp://www.askaboutireland.ie/libraries/ n May 20, 2010, at 7:53 AM, L Fluhrer IIIrd wrote: > Hi Phyllis: It's a bit confusing but County Tyrone People sent me here because what I want is actually a Townland called Tyrone in County Galway. Townlands were exact plots apparently where I believe Fanny Donelly later Lunney was born. There is a database someone sent me of Townlands and it returned the following information: Townland: Tyrone Area: 267 acres County: Galway Barony: Dunkellin Parish:Drumacoo ?: Gort Province: Connaught Which comes from the source that you quoted. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xm Trouble is the index is done after my families left Ireland so they don't show up here and John that remains doesn't show up in that location as well. :-( http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=37&Submit.y=13&Submit=Submit&familyname=Lunney&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=&unionname=&parishname= > <http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=37&Submit.y=13&Submit=Submit&familyname=Lunney&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=&unionname=&parishname=> There are other Lunney's with same names however, in other areas that are said to be cousins of some sort the latest one to come from Ireland and at our first ever family reunion last year about I think she said 1967. The area was run by a John Donelly or Donnelly for the Parish of Drumacoo and he lived in a Gate at the old Motte. Apparently a Castle or Keep there at one point now only empty farmland remains with ruins of a wall. Believed both the Lunney and Donelly name in the same Parish area. John was the Gate Keeper. Then over in Canada at what would later become the town of Durham, Grey County, Ontario I know that a James Donnelly, Military Surveyor came into the area with the first or second survey team from Port Hope area where I can also find the Lunney family on the 1861 Census. James Donnelly had several sons and daughters one of which was John James Donnelly but Fanny isn't listed as one of them although she fits perfectly between two siblings and her own daughter Margaret Lunney appears to be named after one of the known sisters of the James Donnelly family. John Donnely owned most of the land around Durham, Grey County on the 1878 Ontario Atlas maps at http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/ According to the Atlas he settled the farm II SDR, 45, 150 acres in the year 1855 and was born in Ireland 1814 other records say 1821 and claim County Cavan, Ireland (but I'm unsure accuracy of the source.) Fanny is buried in a family plot that has family members of John Donnelly in it one of the oldest graves in Durham Cemetery along with her husband in what looks to be a family plot that predates the rest of the cemetery. Almost visible on Google maps. They have an unidentified symbol on their graves that is repeated on family graves elsewhere in Ontario. Looks like a shamrock but isn't. I've got the census for Canada if you look on the 1901 census at automatedgenealogy.com it states she came to Canada 1833. I've not been able to find a ships list that matches her stated date of arrive. Other family members say 1834 so sometime in that period. Also believe they were military men of the 84th Regiment and were in Canada after the American revolution, recalled to fight Napolean after the War of 1812-1814 and then returned back to their land in the recall issued by Col. Thomas Talbot late Nov 1831/32 in the build up to the 1837 Rebellion that arrived from Ireland 1832 - 1836 period. Have land records in Hope dating to 1798 and a Lt. James and Lt. William Lunney with lands in Sutton, Quebec 1802. Just need something to link them all together that is solid proof. The lists of Col. Talbot and Col. Simcoe are supposed to be in England or Ireland someplace. Does anyone have access to these rolls? The History of the County of Bruce County lists James Donnelly as Military Surveyor apparently with the Survey team of A.P. Borough P.L.S. August 26th 1848 that surveyed the future town of Durham, Bruce County (later part of Grey County). Len ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ----------------------------- Message: 4 ate: Thu, 20 May 2010 09:04:17 -0400 rom: "Phyllis M. Phillips" <phyllism@pobox.com> ubject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 67 o: irl-galway@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <D5AD43C6-B2A3-45D9-80E2-06F32124CE2B@pobox.com> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii check this out ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrone_House n May 20, 2010, at 7:53 AM, L Fluhrer IIIrd wrote: > Hi Phyllis: It's a bit confusing but County Tyrone People sent me here because what I want is actually a Townland called Tyrone in County Galway. Townlands were exact plots apparently where I believe Fanny Donelly later Lunney was born. There is a database someone sent me of Townlands and it returned the following information: Townland: Tyrone Area: 267 acres County: Galway Barony: Dunkellin Parish:Drumacoo ?: Gort Province: Connaught Which comes from the source that you quoted. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xm Trouble is the index is done after my families left Ireland so they don't show up here and John that remains doesn't show up in that location as well. :-( http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=37&Submit.y=13&Submit=Submit&familyname=Lunney&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=&unionname=&parishname= > <http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=37&Submit.y=13&Submit=Submit&familyname=Lunney&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=&unionname=&parishname=> There are other Lunney's with same names however, in other areas that are said to be cousins of some sort the latest one to come from Ireland and at our first ever family reunion last year about I think she said 1967. The area was run by a John Donelly or Donnelly for the Parish of Drumacoo and he lived in a Gate at the old Motte. Apparently a Castle or Keep there at one point now only empty farmland remains with ruins of a wall. Believed both the Lunney and Donelly name in the same Parish area. John was the Gate Keeper. Then over in Canada at what would later become the town of Durham, Grey County, Ontario I know that a James Donnelly, Military Surveyor came into the area with the first or second survey team from Port Hope area where I can also find the Lunney family on the 1861 Census. James Donnelly had several sons and daughters one of which was John James Donnelly but Fanny isn't listed as one of them although she fits perfectly between two siblings and her own daughter Margaret Lunney appears to be named after one of the known sisters of the James Donnelly family. John Donnely owned most of the land around Durham, Grey County on the 1878 Ontario Atlas maps at http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/ According to the Atlas he settled the farm II SDR, 45, 150 acres in the year 1855 and was born in Ireland 1814 other records say 1821 and claim County Cavan, Ireland (but I'm unsure accuracy of the source.) Fanny is buried in a family plot that has family members of John Donnelly in it one of the oldest graves in Durham Cemetery along with her husband in what looks to be a family plot that predates the rest of the cemetery. Almost visible on Google maps. They have an unidentified symbol on their graves that is repeated on family graves elsewhere in Ontario. Looks like a shamrock but isn't. I've got the census for Canada if you look on the 1901 census at automatedgenealogy.com it states she came to Canada 1833. I've not been able to find a ships list that matches her stated date of arrive. Other family members say 1834 so sometime in that period. Also believe they were military men of the 84th Regiment and were in Canada after the American revolution, recalled to fight Napolean after the War of 1812-1814 and then returned back to their land in the recall issued by Col. Thomas Talbot late Nov 1831/32 in the build up to the 1837 Rebellion that arrived from Ireland 1832 - 1836 period. Have land records in Hope dating to 1798 and a Lt. James and Lt. William Lunney with lands in Sutton, Quebec 1802. Just need something to link them all together that is solid proof. The lists of Col. Talbot and Col. Simcoe are supposed to be in England or Ireland someplace. Does anyone have access to these rolls? The History of the County of Bruce County lists James Donnelly as Military Surveyor apparently with the Survey team of A.P. Borough P.L.S. August 26th 1848 that surveyed the future town of Durham, Bruce County (later part of Grey County). Len ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ----------------------------- Message: 5 ate: Thu, 20 May 2010 09:06:48 -0400 rom: "Phyllis M. Phillips" <phyllism@pobox.com> ubject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 67 o: irl-galway@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <A46DFDED-47D9-4E87-9B14-AF46AE0E03AD@pobox.com> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii clicking on the site I see this ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilcolgan n May 20, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Phyllis M. Phillips wrote: > check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrone_House On May 20, 2010, at 7:53 AM, L Fluhrer IIIrd wrote: > Hi Phyllis: > > It's a bit confusing but County Tyrone People sent me here because what > I want is actually a Townland called Tyrone in County Galway. Townlands > were exact plots apparently where I believe Fanny Donelly later Lunney > was born. There is a database someone sent me of Townlands and it > returned the following information: > > Townland: Tyrone > Area: 267 acres > County: Galway > Barony: Dunkellin > Parish:Drumacoo > ?: Gort > Province: Connaught > > Which comes from the source that you quoted. > > http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xm > > > > Trouble is the index is done after my families left Ireland so they > don't show up here and John that remains doesn't show up in that > location as well. :-( > > http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=37&Submit.y=13&Submit=Submit&familyname=Lunney&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=&unionname=&parishname= >> <http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=37&Submit.y=13&Submit=Submit&familyname=Lunney&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=&unionname=&parishname=> > > There are other Lunney's with same names however, in other areas that > are said to be cousins of some sort the latest one to come from Ireland > and at our first ever family reunion last year about I think she said 1967. > > The area was run by a John Donelly or Donnelly for the Parish of > Drumacoo and he lived in a Gate at the old Motte. Apparently a Castle or > Keep there at one point now only empty farmland remains with ruins of a > wall. Believed both the Lunney and Donelly name in the same Parish area. > John was the Gate Keeper. > > Then over in Canada at what would later become the town of Durham, Grey > County, Ontario I know that a James Donnelly, Military Surveyor came > into the area with the first or second survey team from Port Hope area > where I can also find the Lunney family on the 1861 Census. James > Donnelly had several sons and daughters one of which was John James > Donnelly but Fanny isn't listed as one of them although she fits > perfectly between two siblings and her own daughter Margaret Lunney > appears to be named after one of the known sisters of the James Donnelly > family. John Donnely owned most of the land around Durham, Grey County > on the 1878 Ontario Atlas maps at > > http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/ > > According to the Atlas he settled the farm II SDR, 45, 150 acres in the > year 1855 and was born in Ireland 1814 other records say 1821 and claim > County Cavan, Ireland (but I'm unsure accuracy of the source.) > > Fanny is buried in a family plot that has family members of John > Donnelly in it one of the oldest graves in Durham Cemetery along with > her husband in what looks to be a family plot that predates the rest of > the cemetery. Almost visible on Google maps. > > They have an unidentified symbol on their graves that is repeated on > family graves elsewhere in Ontario. Looks like a shamrock but isn't. > > I've got the census for Canada if you look on the 1901 census at > automatedgenealogy.com it states she came to Canada 1833. I've not been > able to find a ships list that matches her stated date of arrive. Other > family members say 1834 so sometime in that period. Also believe they > were military men of the 84th Regiment and were in Canada after the > American revolution, recalled to fight Napolean after the War of > 1812-1814 and then returned back to their land in the recall issued by > Col. Thomas Talbot late Nov 1831/32 in the build up to the 1837 > Rebellion that arrived from Ireland 1832 - 1836 period. Have land > records in Hope dating to 1798 and a Lt. James and Lt. William Lunney > with lands in Sutton, Quebec 1802. > > Just need something to link them all together that is solid proof. The > lists of Col. Talbot and Col. Simcoe are supposed to be in England or > Ireland someplace. Does anyone have access to these rolls? > > The History of the County of Bruce County lists James Donnelly as > Military Surveyor apparently with the Survey team of A.P. Borough P.L.S. > August 26th 1848 that surveyed the future town of Durham, Bruce County > (later part of Grey County). > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ----------------------------- To contact the IRL-GALWAY list administrator, send an email to RL-GALWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Sandy asks: === Can anyone with access to maps from the early 1800s tell me if Cappataggle and New Castle were relatively near each other. They were in the civil parish of Killallaghtan. === Sandy, The townland of Newcastle is over a square mile in area, and most of it is in the adjacent civil parish of Aughrim. But the small piece (136 acres) of it in Killallaghtan CP is less than a mile NE of Cappataggle townland. Only Ballynaclogh townland lies between them. The actual Cappataggle village center (with RC church) is an additional half-mile distant from Newcastle. If you'd like more detail on the townlands, drop me a line (although I'll be away for most of the coming week). Pete .................................................... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts </HTML>

Hi Josie - not an answer to your query but there are some references to Edmund/Edmond SILK to be found by Googling if you don't already have them. Also to an Edmund SILKE in Burkes Peerage, although this mainly concerns Letitia's family. It also appears there may still be SILK/Es living in Loughrea, not sure if you have already explored this possibility. Sorry not to be more help - apologies if you have all this already.. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand Website: http://www.loanegenealogy.webs.com Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 7:44 PM Subject: [IRL-GALWAY] SILK / AYRE > Hi, > I am new to this list and thought I would post my interests. > Robert Miller SILK son of Edmund SILK and Letita AYRE bc 1817 according to > age at death and bc 1820 according to his marriage in Scotland. His > marriage record states he was born in Loch Rea (presumably Loughrea) > County Galway. > Not having researched Galway before I would be grateful for any > suggestions to further my search. > Cheers > Josie > Queensland > Australia

Can anyone with access to maps from the early 1800s tell me if Cappataggle and New Castle were relatively near each other. They were in the civil parish of Killallaghtan. Thanks, Sandy

Printed 10 june 1856. The actual survey would have taken place roughly 1-2 years before that date. The ' House Books' that contain that original survey are available on LDS film. The data is basically the same - except no entries are made about LAND - just the houses. There are occasional differences between the House Books and the Printed Valuation, where someone has died/moved etc in the intervening period, and this was notified in time for the new tenant's name to appear in the printed version. Cathy

Hi, Can anyone tell me what year the Griffiths Valuations  would have been done in Loughrea? Would this be the same year for all of Galway? Ta Josie

Hi, I am new to this list and thought I would post my interests. Robert Miller SILK son of Edmund SILK and Letita AYRE bc 1817 according to age at death and bc 1820 according to his marriage in Scotland. His marriage record states he was born in Loch Rea (presumably Loughrea) County Galway. Not having researched Galway before I would be grateful for any suggestions to further my search. Cheers Josie Queensland Australia

hit the back arrow on the top till page 1 On May 21, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Phyllis M. Phillips wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Phyllis M. Phillips" <phyllism@pobox.com> >> Date: May 21, 2010 9:12:48 AM EDT >> To: Phyllis Phillips <phyllism@pobox.com> >> >> http://books.google.com/books?id=X0uf6t8VfAsC&pg=PA8&dq=IRISH+famine+1830's&lr=&ei=mYb2S6HbK6nsyAStt7 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Begin forwarded message: > From: "Phyllis M. Phillips" <phyllism@pobox.com> > Date: May 21, 2010 9:12:48 AM EDT > To: Phyllis Phillips <phyllism@pobox.com> > > http://books.google.com/books?id=X0uf6t8VfAsC&pg=PA8&dq=IRISH+famine+1830's&lr=&ei=mYb2S6HbK6nsyAStt7

there are lots in google books I have one on my screen On May 21, 2010, at 8:59 AM, rtennihan@aol.com wrote: > Did this book have names in it? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: clabre1068@aol.com > To: irl-galway@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 8:56 am > Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] Famine Book > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > rom: Phyllis M. Phillips <phyllism@pobox.com> > o: irl-galway@rootsweb.com > ent: Fri, May 21, 2010 8:07 am > ubject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 68 > > =================================== > used to have a book on the famine and it was very depressing. One thing that > tuck out to me was they had mass graves so i don't think they had enough room > or a proper burial it was call I think the Famine years. I just recently > onated all my books to the local library. > > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I can't remember it was the first book I bought from kenny's bookstore in Ireland. One of the best sites is www.googlebooks.com you type in the book or some thing with the word and you can read it online On May 21, 2010, at 8:59 AM, rtennihan@aol.com wrote: > Did this book have names in it? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: clabre1068@aol.com > To: irl-galway@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 8:56 am > Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] Famine Book > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > rom: Phyllis M. Phillips <phyllism@pobox.com> > o: irl-galway@rootsweb.com > ent: Fri, May 21, 2010 8:07 am > ubject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 68 > > =================================== > used to have a book on the famine and it was very depressing. One thing that > tuck out to me was they had mass graves so i don't think they had enough room > or a proper burial it was call I think the Famine years. I just recently > onated all my books to the local library. > > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Did this book have names in it? -----Original Message----- From: clabre1068@aol.com To: irl-galway@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 8:56 am Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] Famine Book -----Original Message----- rom: Phyllis M. Phillips <phyllism@pobox.com> o: irl-galway@rootsweb.com ent: Fri, May 21, 2010 8:07 am ubject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 68 =================================== used to have a book on the famine and it was very depressing. One thing that tuck out to me was they had mass graves so i don't think they had enough room or a proper burial it was call I think the Famine years. I just recently onated all my books to the local library. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message