In a message dated 02/12/2010 20:41:01 GMT Standard Time, sharon-j@bigpond.net.au writes: With a bit of research I have found my GEORGE PHAIR dying in 1869, however there seems to be 20 films for this particular year. Is there a way to identify approximately which film he would be on. The church record via Roots Ireland states he died 27 April, however other information is very thin indeed. Sharon, If you look at RECORD SEARCH PILOT on familysearch.org, you can find the death in the indexes: This will give you the Volume and page number you need to obtain the correct film. I presume you have his death at age 54 in 1869? In this case (if it's the same George) it's TUAM volume 9 page 356. The film you need is 0101188. VERY important - this is NOT the film number given on the PILOT site, which refers to the INDEX film number only. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx There is indeed a system to the BMD indexes and records in Ireland. I have copied (below) from an earlier posting of mine to this list in 2004. It should explain the system, and how to find the correct film. If you are still confused, let me know... Cathy The LDS have filmed Irish birth records (as opposed to indexes) from 1864-80,1900-1913,1930-55 Marriage 1845-1870 (1845-64 non-catholic) and Death records 1864-70 They have filmed all the birth, marriage and death indexes,from 1864 (1845 non-catholic marriage ) On their website,they have ....entered Irish birth records up to 1880. The LDS catalogue lists all the Irish film numbers,by quarter year volumes. To find someone in Galway,you need volumes 4,9,14,19,depending on time of year,up to 1878: after 1878 just volume 4 and the appropriate time frame ( allowing up to 3 months to register the birth). Sometimes you will see separate film numbers for the same period,usually JUNE labelled 4-1,and 4-2. You will always need 4-1 EXCEPT for Tuam Registration District, which will be in volume 4-2. ( more children are born in Spring,so the JUNE volumes had to be split to accomodate the excess.Registration districts are entered alphabetically(not by county) and the split comes at "S"- Scariff is in 4-1 and Swineford in 4-2.) I have found that many parents took the whole 3 months to register the birth,so a child born in October one year might be found in the March volume for the next year. Also,when a fine was imposed for late registration,parents simply lied about the date of birth,with the result a child could be baptized before it was born!

Film 101188 is BIRTHS for 1869, volume 9. That's not what you want..... DEATHS for 1869 volume 9 is film #101701. Hope you get this before you order ! To find the series of LDS films for Births, Marriges and Deaths for the full REGISTRATION, not the Indexes, you first must realize there are 2 separate film series as Cathy wrote of. The Pilot search gives you the INDEX film and a corresponding film number. Thats for purposes of sourcing the information they give on the information page. Its not the film you need to order, so just ignore that film number. You then find the right film number by going to the LDS film catalog and looking for that film series. Follow this path : http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Enter Ireland in the searchbox at the PLACE SEARCH tab Then select CIVIL REGISTRATION [those words only, no other words like Indexes or handbooks] Then find this Title, its copy pasted as the Title is so long : Death records of Ireland, 1864-1870, with index of deaths, 1864-1921 Ireland. General Register Office You see when that long Title is selected, there is an obvious link to the Pilot Search. Thats for the Indexes in case someone wants to find them who is reading this. However, you want the REGISTRATIONs themselves so you must select VIEW FILM NOTES, a tab in the upper right corner of the page, that page offers the first of two pages full of 153 film numbers. The first page begins with the Index films which you scroll through. Right after the Indexes come the actual REGISTRATION films that have the original handwritten information we all are wanting to view. It will say "Deaths, v [1-10]" and the exact year with one film number given to order. Then on the second page is listed the rest of the 153 films. These films begin with 1864 and only go to 1870. Wish they had filmed more, but these are the only years that can be ordered. The Death Registration gives no parents names, only the deceased's name, residence, age at death, occupation, Informant's name and residence [and maybe the relationship to the deceased is given]. If you are looking for parent's name, they won't be on the Death Registration like Scotland. It wasn't a question the Registrar asked in Ireland. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA [the FHC nearby my home does not have film #101701] or I'd offer to look this one up. They do have 6 films covering volumes 1,2 7, 11, 12 and 17 of 1869...just not volume 9] --------------------------------------------

My thanks to those who posted regarding the 1841 Galway census. It would appear that it does not exist, except for a limited area. Too bad. Searching for DOLAN and KELLY County Galway>central and western PA, c. 1844; RICE and GRIFFIN County Kerry>western PA, c. 1865. McNEILL County Antrim>Ontario, Canada, c. 1835. KILMURRAY where from ???>Ontario, Canada, c. 1830. Marybeth C. in cold and blustery northeast Ohio

Dave Thank you for putting this information on the site, unfortunately my Cahill/O'Loughlin names are not there, maybe some day something might turn up My Thomas Cahill married a Sarah Skehill at Gort Galway 17 Mar 1855 of couse all the church record showed he was living at Adrahan at that time and nothing on Sarah, his parents are Patrick Cahill ane Bridget O'Loughlin, and I found a sister Mary living in Queensland Australia married to an Edward O'Brien. Barbara BNE QLD Aus ----- Original Message ----- From: <DBlair7596@aol.com> To: <irl-galway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] census for Galway 1841/1851 > These are at > _www.Connorsgenealogy.net/galway/1841-51IrelandAbstracts.htm_ > (http://www.Connorsgenealogy.net/galway/1841-51IrelandAbstracts.htm) > Good Luck, Dave B. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for that. Sure does, think the marriage for George could be mine. Looks like Charles born 1847 is also the right one. Sharon :) Found these records for Phair Phaire Phare and Fair- Galway bap. 1811 Frederick Richard Phayre 1815 John Fair 1818 Michael Fair 1819 William Fair 1821 Robert Fair 1838 John Phair 1840 Michael Phaire 1844 Benj. Michael Fair 1847 Charles Phare 1848 Thomas Geo. Phare 1850 Michael Phare 1860 John Fair Marriage 1830 Jane Fair 1834 Mary Phair 1835 Emily Fair 1836 George Phair 1848 Michael Phair 1868 Robert Fair Hope this helps, Dave B. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gosh, just a tidbit of information and you can be lucky! Thank you so much! I found the family in Tuam Phayre George Tullynadaly Road Tuam Galway I know this family was Church of Ireland. According to what I have found on the LDS catalogue, they only have Catholic records for Tuam - any suggestions what to do next? Sharon Hi Sharon, I think your best bet is the Griffith Valuation of Galway 1857 online or The Parish Tithe Applotments for most parishes 1830's on films at your local LDS -FH library. The only surviving fragments are for 1841 and 1851 Loughea, Galway and at the National Archives, Dublin, ref. # NAI M 150 for both. Good luck, Dave Blair ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just found them, thanks ... was searching with the wrong criteria! Sharon In a message dated 01/12/2010 22:46:49 GMT Standard Time, sharon-j@bigpond.net.au writes: I was wondering where it was possible to view the census for Galway. These are not available through the LDS. Yes, they are available from the LDS. Just enter a Keyword search on the catalogue -Ireland Census 1821 or 1841 etc and the film numbers for all the surviving census fragments will come up. Cathy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David I was wondering where it was possible to view the census for Galway. These are not available through the LDS. All I have for my family so far is on the 1901 census where Charles Phair states he is from Galway and is aged 52. Any help pointing me in the right direction would be most appreciated. Thanks Sharon (in Australia) -----Original Message----- From: irl-galway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-galway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DBlair7596@aol.com Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2010 8:38 AM To: irl-galway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] Is there an 1841 census? Hi, Basically no, 95% of the Irish Census' from the first 1821, 1831, 1841, 1851, 1861 1871 1881 1891 were destroyed (that's a another subject some say the Irish destroyed them others blame the English). Parts of the 1821 Cavan and 1821 part of Galway survived , 1841 Killeshandra Cavan survived and parts of the 1851 county Cork survived. I have a copies the 1841 Galway and 1851 Cork. Any other surviving census parts lets us know. Thanks, Dave Blair, Pembroke MA (descendant from the Cannon family of Galway and Blair's of Cavan) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for your timely information.

In a message dated 02/12/2010 02:20:39 GMT Standard Time, pslk@rogers.com writes: Marriage records for the Church of Ireland are available from about 1860 in Dublin at the Archives offices for Birth, Marriages and Death registrations. The start date for Church of Ireland marriages, recorded under the Civil Registration system, is 1845. These marriages are available on LDS film from 1845 up to 1870 ONLY. (actual certificates) After that date, you need to purchase the marriage cert from the GRO, using the Marriage indexes provided by the LDS on Record Search Pilot. The CHURCH record of the marriage, as opposed to the CIVIL record, may be available via rootsireland. You would need to check what dates they have records for by looking under 'sources' on the website.The dates will vary according to which parish records have survived. Cathy

Not true. There are some records from the church of Ireland still available for Tuam. Most are in the Church of Ireland's Library in Dublin, one or two books are still held locally in St. Mary's Cathedral the largest Church of Ireland Cathedral in the City of Tuam. Copies of most of those records can be found at Ancestry.com or via LDS microfilms. Marriage records for the Church of Ireland are available from about 1860 in Dublin at the Archives offices for Birth, Marriages and Death registrations. Ask for the red books behind information counter if your go in person. Good luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon" <sharon-j@bigpond.net.au> To: <irl-galway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] census for Galway 1841 > Gosh, just a tidbit of information and you can be lucky! Thank you so > much! > > I found the family in Tuam > > Phayre George Tullynadaly Road Tuam Galway > > I know this family was Church of Ireland. According to what I have found > on > the LDS catalogue, they only have Catholic records for Tuam - any > suggestions what to do next? > > Sharon > > > > Hi Sharon, I think your best bet is the Griffith Valuation of Galway > 1857 > online or The Parish Tithe Applotments for most parishes 1830's on films > at your local LDS -FH library. The only surviving fragments are for 1841 > and 1851 Loughea, Galway and at the National Archives, Dublin, ref. # > NAI M 150 for both. Good luck, Dave Blair > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3291 - Release Date: 12/01/10 >

Hello, Does anyone have info on the 1841 census for Clifden, Galway? Thanks Garry

Found these records for Phair Phaire Phare and Fair- Galway bap. 1811 Frederick Richard Phayre 1815 John Fair 1818 Michael Fair 1819 William Fair 1821 Robert Fair 1838 John Phair 1840 Michael Phaire 1844 Benj. Michael Fair 1847 Charles Phare 1848 Thomas Geo. Phare 1850 Michael Phare 1860 John Fair Marriage 1830 Jane Fair 1834 Mary Phair 1835 Emily Fair 1836 George Phair 1848 Michael Phair 1868 Robert Fair Hope this helps, Dave B.

Thanks for this information.

These are at _www.Connorsgenealogy.net/galway/1841-51IrelandAbstracts.htm_ (http://www.Connorsgenealogy.net/galway/1841-51IrelandAbstracts.htm) Good Luck, Dave B.

Hi Sharon, I think your best bet is the Griffith Valuation of Galway 1857 online or The Parish Tithe Applotments for most parishes 1830's on films at your local LDS -FH library. The only surviving fragments are for 1841 and 1851 Loughea, Galway and at the National Archives, Dublin, ref. # NAI M 150 for both. Good luck, Dave Blair

In a message dated 01/12/2010 22:46:49 GMT Standard Time, sharon-j@bigpond.net.au writes: I was wondering where it was possible to view the census for Galway. These are not available through the LDS. Yes, they are available from the LDS. Just enter a Keyword search on the catalogue -Ireland Census 1821 or 1841 etc and the film numbers for all the surviving census fragments will come up. Cathy

Hi, Basically no, 95% of the Irish Census' from the first 1821, 1831, 1841, 1851, 1861 1871 1881 1891 were destroyed (that's a another subject some say the Irish destroyed them others blame the English). Parts of the 1821 Cavan and 1821 part of Galway survived , 1841 Killeshandra Cavan survived and parts of the 1851 county Cork survived. I have a copies the 1841 Galway and 1851 Cork. Any other surviving census parts lets us know. Thanks, Dave Blair, Pembroke MA (descendant from the Cannon family of Galway and Blair's of Cavan)

Earliest surviving census of Ireland is 1901. Diane

Hello, Try _www.google.ie_ (http://www.google.ie) Enter -- Is there an 1841 Census -- or similar words. Good Luck! Joan