The 1841 and 1851 records contain only a very small percentage of of the population, and if Hugh and Bridget emigrated in the 1830s, they definitely wouldn't be there. However, Tuam parish records have been filmed back to 1790, so you should find them there if they were from Tuam. If it's not feasible for you to go to a Family History Center and read the film yourself, you could ask the Galway East Heritage Center to look for the baptism of Thomas in 1827 and the marriage of Bridget and Hugh around 1820-26. Diane

If anyone has access to the early Ireland Census and would do a look up I would appreciate it. Their isn't an LDS close enough for me to go, my husband is disabled and I can't leave him alone for any long periods of time. Looking for info on: Huge/Hugh Curley b. 1794-1796 in Taum, Galway, Ireland He married Bridget, unknown last name. She was born 1802-1807 also in the Taum area. Family lore says they are both from the Taum area. We heard that from two different branches of the Curley family that were not in touch with each other. They had a son named Thomas H. Curley b. 1827 in Ireland. I have lots of info on Thomas and his wife Susanna Everson Curley but can't find anything on his parents Huge and Bridget. Thomas and Huge were both stone masons. Sometime, could be as early as the 1830's they moved to Ontario, Canada. The only concrete evidence I have that Huge and Bridget were living in Canada is in the 1851 Census for Chinquacousy, Ontario. The 1851 Census shows Huge and Bridget living with their son Thomas and his wife Susanna. There is also a 10 year old boy named Francis Madden or Matdam, living with them. This child was born in Ireland. Have no idea how the child is related. I have not been able to find anything to prove they were from Ireland or anything to show what happened to Huge and Bridget. In 1853 Thomas and his wife moved to Michigan in the United States. We have been searching and searching to find out when and where Huge and Bridget died. I was hoping to find more info on them if I could find out when and where they died. Also don't find any info on other children for them. Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, debbie RAOGK Volunteer for Monroe Co., MI

If someone could do a look up in these books for a Thomas & Catherine Hyland son John born 1833 age (8) 1841 and (18) 1851. Just looking for their location in Ireland at the time John was born. Thanks

Thank you, Diane, for posting the title. Another stone to overturn. Sheila

The books, by Josephine Masterson, are Ireland: 1841/1851 Census Abstracts, with one volume for the Republic of Ireland and the other for Northern Ireland. Diane

Posting the full title of the book regarding OAP info would be appreciated. Thanks, Sheila

Give me the totals for a couple of parishes anytime, Cathy, and I'll go to the library as soon as I get over a nasty cold. Diane

In a message dated 03/12/2010 17:13:45 GMT Standard Time, DLCulhane@cs.com writes: I'll have to check one of the books at the library to be sure. If you do, let me know before hand, and we can cross- check with some of the records I got from the film. Nothing too complicated, just total number of forms for specific parishes; that should be enough to tell. Cathy

Yes, they were asked for townland in 1841/51, so their form will be filed under that county. Cathy

I'll have to check one of the books at the library to be sure. Now another question--some of my relatives grew up in one county and later moved to another. Can I assume the search forms are filmed by the county where a person grew up, not the county where they lived when requesting a search? Diane

Sorry, Diane, I don't have the book/CD, but I would imagine it must be the same information. Mind you, there are only 138 pages in her book, and 29 films cover the whole of Ireland. Does that sound reasonable? I have just read the blurb on Amazon, as they have copies for sale. Sounds as if they must be the same. Perhaps I'd better buy a copy? Cathy The link below is for Clare Library, who have the OAP records for the county online. Is this the format used in the book? This first link is to an actual form, so if anyone is interested, this is what you will see on the film. _http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/census_search_forms/form .htm_ (http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/census_search_forms/form.htm) This link is to the main page _http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/census_search_forms/inde x.htm_ (http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/census_search_forms/index.htm)

Cathy, are the LDS films likely to contain more entries than the Masterson books, which I've already checked? (If so, that would be wonderful.) Diane Culhane

Thank you also Meg As I said to Cathy, I just can't believe how dense I was with this ... I guess its just the learning curve. Thanks for your help also. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. (it was hard teaching .. so much appreciated!) Sharon -----Original Message----- From: irl-galway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-galway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Meg Greenwood Sent: Friday, 3 December 2010 10:35 AM To: irl-galway@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-GALWAY] Film for DEATHS 1869, not Births Film 101188 is BIRTHS for 1869, volume 9. That's not what you want..... DEATHS for 1869 volume 9 is film #101701. Hope you get this before you order ! To find the series of LDS films for Births, Marriges and Deaths for the full REGISTRATION, not the Indexes, you first must realize there are 2 separate film series as Cathy wrote of. The Pilot search gives you the INDEX film and a corresponding film number. Thats for purposes of sourcing the information they give on the information page. Its not the film you need to order, so just ignore that film number. You then find the right film number by going to the LDS film catalog and looking for that film series. Follow this path : http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Enter Ireland in the searchbox at the PLACE SEARCH tab Then select CIVIL REGISTRATION [those words only, no other words like Indexes or handbooks] Then find this Title, its copy pasted as the Title is so long : Death records of Ireland, 1864-1870, with index of deaths, 1864-1921 Ireland. General Register Office You see when that long Title is selected, there is an obvious link to the Pilot Search. Thats for the Indexes in case someone wants to find them who is reading this. However, you want the REGISTRATIONs themselves so you must select VIEW FILM NOTES, a tab in the upper right corner of the page, that page offers the first of two pages full of 153 film numbers. The first page begins with the Index films which you scroll through. Right after the Indexes come the actual REGISTRATION films that have the original handwritten information we all are wanting to view. It will say "Deaths, v [1-10]" and the exact year with one film number given to order. Then on the second page is listed the rest of the 153 films. These films begin with 1864 and only go to 1870. Wish they had filmed more, but these are the only years that can be ordered. The Death Registration gives no parents names, only the deceased's name, residence, age at death, occupation, Informant's name and residence [and maybe the relationship to the deceased is given]. If you are looking for parent's name, they won't be on the Death Registration like Scotland. It wasn't a question the Registrar asked in Ireland. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA [the FHC nearby my home does not have film #101701] or I'd offer to look this one up. They do have 6 films covering volumes 1,2 7, 11, 12 and 17 of 1869...just not volume 9] -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cathy My apologies, the penny just dropped about which film I need ... Vol 9!!!! How dense can a person get? Many thanks for your help and the help of everyone on this list over the last couple of days. I have managed to take this family back one more generation and "should" have a father on the death certificate when I see it. Once again, many many thanks Sharon (in Australia) -----Original Message----- From: irl-galway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-galway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CathOneill@aol.com Sent: Friday, 3 December 2010 10:26 AM To: irl-galway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] census for Galway 1841 Apologies to anyone following this thread: I gave the wrong film number to Sharon for Death Tuam vol 9 -1869. It should be 0101701. Can't watch TV and look-up records.... Cathy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cathy - This is wonderful. I will order that film straight away :) But how did you get the film number, I could only find the one for the indexes. Sharon Sharon, If you look at RECORD SEARCH PILOT on familysearch.org, you can find the death in the indexes: This will give you the Volume and page number you need to obtain the correct film. I presume you have his death at age 54 in 1869? In this case (if it's the same George) it's TUAM volume 9 page 356. The film you need is 0101188. VERY important - this is NOT the film number given on the PILOT site, which refers to the INDEX film number only. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx There is indeed a system to the BMD indexes and records in Ireland. I have copied (below) from an earlier posting of mine to this list in 2004. It should explain the system, and how to find the correct film. If you are still confused, let me know... Cathy The LDS have filmed Irish birth records (as opposed to indexes) from 1864-80,1900-1913,1930-55 Marriage 1845-1870 (1845-64 non-catholic) and Death records 1864-70 They have filmed all the birth, marriage and death indexes,from 1864 (1845 non-catholic marriage ) On their website,they have ....entered Irish birth records up to 1880. The LDS catalogue lists all the Irish film numbers,by quarter year volumes. To find someone in Galway,you need volumes 4,9,14,19,depending on time of year,up to 1878: after 1878 just volume 4 and the appropriate time frame ( allowing up to 3 months to register the birth). Sometimes you will see separate film numbers for the same period,usually JUNE labelled 4-1,and 4-2. You will always need 4-1 EXCEPT for Tuam Registration District, which will be in volume 4-2. ( more children are born in Spring,so the JUNE volumes had to be split to accomodate the excess.Registration districts are entered alphabetically(not by county) and the split comes at "S"- Scariff is in 4-1 and Swineford in 4-2.) I have found that many parents took the whole 3 months to register the birth,so a child born in October one year might be found in the March volume for the next year. Also,when a fine was imposed for late registration,parents simply lied about the date of birth,with the result a child could be baptized before it was born! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don't forget the Old Age Pension Census Search Forms. If you are very, very lucky, you might glean something from them. They only cover a very small number of people, who needed to find themselves listed in the 1841 or 1851 censuses, in order to prove their year of birth to qualify for a Government pension. ( There were no birth records until 1864, and baptism records were not available in some instances) The Pension was introduced c1909, for those aged over 70, and with very little income. So in 1910, if you were over 70, you should be listed in the 1841census. If 70 by 1920, you should be in the 1851.... This process continued until 1922 only, just 12 years. The information provided is very varied, from a simple 'not found' to a complete list of the family members. The films are available via the LDS, as usual. They are arranged alphabetically by BARONY, within each county, and indexed by surname. I have transcribed all the West Galway OAP records, but I have none from East Galway. Cathy

Hi Cathy Thank you for the information below. Applying this to find a death certificate, I see the same information is also available i.e. actual certificates to 1870. With a bit of research I have found my GEORGE PHAIR dying in 1869, however there seems to be 20 films for this particular year. Is there a way to identify approximately which film he would be on. The church record via Roots Ireland states he died 27 April, however other information is very thin indeed. Are all certificates for Ireland just in date order or perhaps County or Townland order. Irish research is a steep learning curve at the moment but I am happy to learn. Kind regards Sharon In a message dated 02/12/2010 02:20:39 GMT Standard Time, pslk@rogers.com writes: Marriage records for the Church of Ireland are available from about 1860 in Dublin at the Archives offices for Birth, Marriages and Death registrations. The start date for Church of Ireland marriages, recorded under the Civil Registration system, is 1845. These marriages are available on LDS film from 1845 up to 1870 ONLY. (actual certificates) After that date, you need to purchase the marriage cert from the GRO, using the Marriage indexes provided by the LDS on Record Search Pilot. The CHURCH record of the marriage, as opposed to the CIVIL record, may be available via rootsireland. You would need to check what dates they have records for by looking under 'sources' on the website.The dates will vary according to which parish records have survived. Cathy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-GALWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Youngstown, Ohio - A Mass of Christian Burial will be celebrated Monday at 11 a.m. at St. Christine Church for Rev. Monsignor Thomas F. Kelly, 89, Pastor Emeritus of St. Christine Parish in Youngstown, who entered into eternal life on Tuesday morning at the Assumption Village. Msgr. Kelly was born Sept. 11, 1921, in Kelkerrin-Ballinasloe, County Galway, Ireland, the son of Patrick and Mary Conneely Kelly. He attended the Franciscan Brothers’ Grade School, and graduated from the Jarlath Boys Boarding High School and College and entered All Hallows College and Seminary, all in Ireland. He was ordained on June 22, 1947, in Dublin, Ireland, by Bishop John Marshall. He came to the Diocese of Youngstown through the efforts of Bishop James McFadden. His first assignment in the diocese as assistant pastor of St. Columba Cathedral in 1947 lasted until 1960 when he was named pastor of St. Ambrose Parish, Garrettsville. In 1963, he was named pastor of Mother of Sorrows, Ashtabula, followed in 1971 as pastor of St. Brendan, Youngstown, a post he held until he was named pastor of St. Christine, Youngstown in 1973, where he remained until his retirement in 1990. Following retirement, Msgr. Kelly served as pro-tem administrator at St. Aloysius, East Liverpool, St. Lucy, Campbell and St. Rose of Lima (Youngstown), Campbell. Msgr. Kelly received Papal Honors with the title “Monsignor” being named “Prelate of Honor” in 1997. Additionally, Msgr. Kelly served on the Diocesan Liturgy Commission and the Pastoral Council. He was dean of Ashtabula County and director of the Diocesan Council of Catholic Nurses. He was a Diocesan Consultor and a member of the Council of Conciliation. He served as a member of the Diocesan Senate of Priests and as a member of the Catholic Service League Board. He also served on the Diocesan Board of Education as a Synod '76 Consultor, and as a member of the Priests Council. Monsignor Kelly was also a member of the Bishop James Malone 4th Degree Assembly No. 274 of the Knights of Columbus. Always proud of his Irish heritage Monsignor Kelly remained active in local Irish clubs and events. He was a member and former chaplain of the Mahoning Valley Gaelic Society, and for many years was the principal celebrant of the St. Patrick’s Day Mass at St. Columba Cathedral. In 1988, Monsignor Kelly and Father John F. Lyons were honored as the Marshals of the Mahoning Valley’s Annual St. Patrick’s Day Parade. Monsignor was also a member and chaplain of the Ancient Order of Hibernians, where he had twice been named the AOH’s Man of the Year. In addition, Monsignor Kelly was instrumental in working with members of the AOH in the construction and dedication of Celtic Cross memorials at Calvary and Resurrection cemeteries, in memory of those lost during the Irish Famine. Monsignor Kelly will always be remembered for his love of God and country and his great Irish wit. He is survived by a brother, John and his wife, Nora Kelly of Ireland; numerous nieces and nephews; and his lifelong friend since high school and fellow priest, Fr. John F. Lyons, with whom he came to this country and shared a home in Austintown. Besides his parents, he was preceded in death by a sister, Sister Kieran Kelly; and two brothers, Joseph and James Kelly. Calling hours are Sunday, Dec. 5, 2010, from 4 to 8 p.m. at St. Christine Church, 3165 S. Schenley Ave., Youngstown. A prayer service will follow as 8 p.m. Friends may also call Monday from 9:15 a.m. until 10:45 a.m. at the church. Professional arrangements are being handled by the Higgins-Reardon Funeral Homes, Austintown Chapel.

Apologies to anyone following this thread: I gave the wrong film number to Sharon for Death Tuam vol 9 -1869. It should be 0101701. Can't watch TV and look-up records.... Cathy

To find the film numbers, you have to go into the LDS Catalogue (familysearch.org > LIBRARY > Catalogue. Enter Ireland as PLACE scroll down to Civil Registration (only) (not inventories, indexes,handbooks etc) and click on it, that will take you to a list that includes the BMD indexes and records you might need. Cathy