Try _www.nationalarchives_ (http://www.nationalarchives) .ie and follow links to genealogy. Cathy

In a message dated 8/24/2004 8:10:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, CathOneill@aol.com writes: > If you haven't already done so,you should conduct a search in Griffiths I am very new to all this and just trying to soak in knowledge.. Can someone please tell me what "Griffiths" is.. I did a "Keyword:Griffiths" to see if I could link to something but of course unless I want to learn more about the Andy Griffith Show" not much else was found ; - ) thanks Leigh in Ohio

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Dear Anne sorry not to get back to you earlier - I've got a lot of things going on at the moment. I will have a look at Griffiths Revisions for you tomorrow and see if I can help. Cathy

Re: Brodericks/Wall/Coyne/Moran You seem to have so much information that it's surprising you don't have a more precise location in Galway. If you haven't already done so,you should conduct a search in Griffiths . You are looking for those names to occur in close proximity,so you need townland maps to work from,as well as a general Galway civil parish map. The easiest way is to log on to _www.otherdays_ (http://www.otherdays) .com and pay for a 72 hour search for about 8 euro/dollars. Best bargain around! Run all four SURNAMES through a Galway search. Don't bother too much with first names,as you don't know which one would be listed as head of household. Print off the list of locations for each surname.Then you can start to cross check. Most couples married within a 3 mile radius.This would frequently cross a parish boundary,which is why a map is so important. You have 4 known surnames,which should narrow things considerably. For example- I took the first parish,Abbeygormacan,and found 3 of the 4 names there. Do this with each parish. Hopefully ,at least one parish will have all 4 names within it.They don't necessarily have to be in the same townland at this point. If you don't find a parish with all 4 names, then go back to the ones with 3 matches,and check if the fourth name occurs in a neighbouring parish. At the end of the exercise,you should have a list of the most likely parishes. Parish records in Galway are poor,so don't expect to find the births/marriages in the parish records.However,once you have a likely location,you have something to base your further searches on. Cathy

Many thanks to all who have responded to my posting of 19 August. I now have the information I hoped to get. Peter W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Wood To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:41 AM Subject: [GALWAY] Tyrone House I've obtained a photocopy of an 1876 birth registration in the district of Kinvara, Union of Gort, Co. Galway. The place of birth is given as Tyrone House. Will be most appreciative of any information concerning this residence. Peter Wood, New Zealand. ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== To unsub or change your Irl-Galway mailing mode: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-GALWAY.html Join a new list related to the history, culture and geneology of the Irish in NY mailto:NY-IRISH-L-request@Rootsweb.com?body=subscribe ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I have the book "A New Genealogical Atlas Of Ireland". When I look at the map of the Dioceses Of Ireland I find a large area of Tuam, then I find 2 small areas of Tuam in Clonfert. Are the Tuam records for all the Tuam's in the same place ? Are the records in the Town of Tuam? I'm going to make a trip to Ireland & I'm trying to figure out where I need to go for research. Thank you Lillian

There is a small photo of Tyrone house on the goireland.com website. Follow the links to historic houses galway etc. Found several mentions of the house,the St.George family history etc.using a google search. Cathy

Peter at pjwood@ihug.co.nz writes: << The place of birth is given as Tyrone House. Will be most appreciative of any information concerning this residence. >> Peter, I know "about" where it is, but not exactly. I've looked for it on two occasions, but I now have a better idea of its precise location. I was looking for it several years ago, as one of the locations which Simon Marsden photographed (in infrared) for his wonderful book "In Ruins: The Once Great Houses of Ireland". His location information was vague, and I attempted to pinpoint all of his sites in the book. My information, posted to an IR photography list, was picked-up (with my consent) by a commercial site. This information brought my name to the attention of someone who was googling "Tyrone House", and he contacted me. His family, the St. George's, apparently built the house. I'll send you his name and addy off-list, as it was a private correspondence and I don't believe he's on any of the genealogy lists. Tyrone House is (apparently <gr>) about 2 miles west of the town of Kilcolgan, facing out onto the estuary of the Kilcolgan River, about 7 or 8 miles SE of Galway City. It was built in 1779, abandoned in 1905, and burned in 1920 during The Troubles. Here is a bit of the text about the place: "The classical mansion overlooking the sea was built for the St. George family in 1779. Scion Christopher, born in 1809, was a staunch Protestant married to a Catholic woman in a union strongly disapproved of by his English contemporaries. Both of them lived to a great age, his wife the longest. She remained in the house, along with other members of the family, in greatly reduced circumstances until her death in 1905. <snip> Today a sinister, windswept ruin remains, while the St. George family lies entombed in a massive Gothic mausoleum on the summit of a nearby hill." That's about it. I can give you detailed coordinates of where I "think" it is located, if you're interested in visiting the place <gr>. I'll also send the info about the St. George family member who contacted me - off list. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Regarding: Ireland & Atlantis Many of you have asked me to provide the source information for this article: DATE: Friday, August 6, 2004 SOURCE: Reuters U.K. SITE of the actual article: http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=5899085& section=news

Ireland Is Lost Island of Atlantis, Says Scientist DUBLIN (Reuters) - Atlantis, the legendary island nation over whose existence controversy has raged for thousands of years, was actually Ireland, according to a new theory by a Swedish scientist. Atlantis, the Greek philosopher Plato wrote in 360 BC, was an island in the Atlantic Ocean where an advanced civilization developed some 11,500 years ago until it was hit by a cataclysmic natural disaster and sank beneath the waves. Geographer Ulf Erlingsson, whose book explaining his theory will be published next month, says the measurements, geography, and landscape of Atlantis as described by Plato match Ireland almost exactly. "I am amazed no one has come up with this before, it's incredible," he told Reuters. "Just like Atlantis, Ireland is 300 miles long, 200 miles wide, and widest across the middle. They both have a central plain surrounded by mountains. "I've looked at geographical data from the rest of the world and of the 50 largest islands there is only one that has a plain in the middle -- Ireland." Erlingsson believes the idea that Atlantis sank came from the fate of Dogger Bank, an isolated shoal in the North Sea, about 60 miles off the northeastern coast of England, which sank after being hit by a huge floodwave around 6,100 BC. "I suspect that myth came from Ireland and it derives from Dogger Bank. I think the memory of Dogger Bank was probably preserved in Ireland for around 3,000 years and became mixed up with the story of Atlantis," he said. Erlingsson links the boundaries of the Atlantic Empire, as outlined by Plato, with the geographic distribution of megalithic monuments in Europe and Northern Africa, matching Atlantis' temples with well-known burial sites at Newgrange and Knowth, north of Dublin, which pre-date the pyramids. His book, "Atlantis from a Geographer's Perspective: Mapping the Fairy Land," calculates the probability Plato would have had access to geographical data about Ireland as 99.98 percent. Previous theories about Atlantis have suggested it may have been around the Azores islands 900 miles west of the Portuguese coast, or in the Aegean sea. Others locate it solely in the long-decayed brain of Plato.

Are any of the FRENCH family living in County Galway today? I'm planing a trip to Galway in Sept. and I would like to meet any FRENCH in Ireland. Thank you Lillian

I've obtained a photocopy of an 1876 birth registration in the district of Kinvara, Union of Gort, Co. Galway. The place of birth is given as Tyrone House. Will be most appreciative of any information concerning this residence. Peter Wood, New Zealand.

Hi Bewildered, What names are you researching from Glenamaddy? I'm researching Tracy (Treacy) and Rush. If you didn't already know there is a website www.glenamaddy.com and there are some rural maps listing the townlands and St. Patrick's, the catholic church, has a connection for requesting church records. A little bit of history on Glenamaddy and the surrounding area too. Good Luck in your research. Patti (in Boston) -------------- Original message -------------- > Hello!! > > Ok, I was nicely following along with the > conversation between Cathy and "Lost and Confused". > > At first, I thought I would need > FHL British Film # 835896. > for the PLU Glennamaddy. > "Poorly catalogued" under VALUATION LIST. > > BUT, my PLU Glennamaddy has a > townland called Carrowntober East. > And that townland is listed as > FHL British Film 835903 > Correctly listed under REVISION LIST. > ***************************** > I'll pay someone a quarter to tell me > which film I need. giggle. > > Below is what I am looking for > in RURAL EAST Galway: > PLU = Glennamaddy > Civil Parish = Kilkerrin > Barony = Tiaquin > Townland # 1=Carrowntober East > Townland # 2 =Derreen Upper > Townland # 3 = Cloonkeen Eighter (or oughter) > Townland # 4 = Scregg East > > Cathy, I'm defineitey not faint-hearted. > But I am presently very "Bewildered"....... > > Signed: "Bewildered" in GA > > > > > > ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== > To unsub or change your Irl-Galway mailing mode: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-GALWAY.html > Jane Lyons' From Ireland County Galway site: > http://www.from-ireland.net/contents/galwayconts.htm > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ >

Hello Cathy I remember you saying you had ordered the film long ago, but when it was still listed in the catalogue I thought the situation had changed. I e-mailed Salt Lake for a straight answer, was it available to order or not. There's no point in telling people to re-order if they don't have it. Many thanks for your offer of help Cathy but I am still up against brick walls with my research on Inishmore, so much so that I have gave it a break for quite a time. I made notes of the whole of the 1901 census but my grandmother Anne Mullin of Onaght was not on it. I had hoped the 1911 might shed a glimmer of light!! Griffiths Evaluation Revisions 1880's to 1890's Onaght - Bungowla Quarter - OS.110 On the black and white copy I received from the Commissioner of Valuation: - the entry for Colman Flaherty - Colman is crossed out and the crossing out has been coloured green. 'Widow Bridget' written above with the 'W' coloured green, but the 'B' of Bridget coloured yellow. The observations stating 1888 overwritten in green, for 90 they are coloured yellow. Given what you have said about the originals, how would you interpret the above. Regards Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: CathOneill@aol.com To: alan.barber2@ntlworld.com ; IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [GALWAY] Re: 1911 Census Anne If you remember,I ordered this film about 2 years ago. I eventually got hold of someone in Salt Lake,who told me the filming was of such poor quality,it should not have been included in the catalogue. I was told to re-order in 6 months. I did so, and a few weeks ago was told the same thing again. In other words,it has yet to be re-filmed. Is there anything I can track for you? - I have the Revisions on permanent loan,and the 1901,and all the marriages and most of the births. Cathy

Hello All In March 2004 I ordered the 1911 Census for Inishmore from LDS. This week I was informed that a message had been received saying "re-order in 6-12 months time". I have e-mailed Salt Lake but have not had a reply. Can anyone shed any light on this? Anne

Anne If you remember,I ordered this film about 2 years ago. I eventually got hold of someone in Salt Lake,who told me the filming was of such poor quality,it should not have been included in the catalogue. I was told to re-order in 6 months. I did so, and a few weeks ago was told the same thing again. In other words,it has yet to be re-filmed. Is there anything I can track for you? - I have the Revisions on permanent loan,and the 1901,and all the marriages and most of the births. Cathy

does anyone have access to the 1911 census? looking for patrick o'donnells family at newtown,abbey,tuam,galway. thanx. mark

Dear "Bewildered" I wish I hadn't started this! I think you need film numbers 835899 + 836495, NOT 835896 or 835903 When you click on: Valuation Lists Glennamaddy Rural District 1856-1941, and then "view film notes" you get a list of 11 entries,each preceeded by v 1-2 (etc) electoral district. Glennamaddy is v 9. You need v 6 Cloonkeen, and v 12-14 Kiltullagh and Scregg . Why? I hear you ask. Well, first of all there are 2 Carrowntober Easts ( and wests) One in Athenry parish,Galway PLU and the one you want, in Kilkerrin parish ,Glennamaddy PLU. So that gets rid of 835903,which covers Athenry. Next,Glennamaddy is a town in its own right ,as well as a PLU. It would take at least one film to cover just the town itself for nearly 90 years of changes. That's 835896 out of the way. The Revisions,like the censuses,are arranged in electoral districts,WITHIN each PLU. If you cross -reference with the 1911 census for the PARISH (in this case Kilkerrin) you will find each townland listed in its DED (District Electoral Division). Derreen Upper is in Cloonkeen DED Carrowntober east is in Kiltullagh DED Cloonkeen Eighter + Scregg East are in Scregg DED. So it seems to me,you would want the films that correspond to those electoral divisions. Does this make any sense? Cathy

By coincidence, a couple of days before Cathy posted this message, and inspired by a message she posted a few months ago (which went into my To-Do list), and being unable to go to Dublin in the next few months to do the research personally (gnashing of teeth), I checked out the Valuation Office research services on their website. Not being able to find all the info I needed, I wrote to them and rapidly got the following reply. It might interest some listers so, despite its length, here it is (sorry that the table got hacked up in its porting from a Word document to this mail). Pádraig (the Paddy that was) Read on............. Valuation Office Ireland archive research. Our office is located in Dublin city centre. The street address is: Valuation Office Ireland , Block 2, Irish Life Centre, Abbey Street Lower, Dublin 1. Information for our personal callers is available at the end of this document. The following is a brief guide to our services (archive research) for our email/ postal customers. It is laid out in a question and answer format. 1. What research information do we hold in our archives ? The Valuation Office Ireland holds records relating to the twenty-six counties of the Republic of Ireland. The records consist of a continous series of books and maps dating between the 1830s and the present day. The books contain details on property from it’s first valuation and the maps plot the extent of the property. These records are unique and are most useful for genealogy/family research because of the information contained, complete coverage, large volume and continuity. Records relating to Northern Ireland are not held in this office and further information can be obtained from: Public Record Office of Northern Ireland, 66 Balmoral Avenue, Belfast BT9 6NY, Northern Ireland. 2. What records are most useful for family research/genealogy ? (a). Field books: These records date from the 1830s approximately and are essentially details of land surveys. The information contained refers to soil/land type but in certain cases details of occupiers of the property are noted. Records are in manuscript format and are arranged by county/barony/parish/townland. (b) Griffiths Primary Valuation: These records are details of the primary valuation and date from 1846 to 1852. Records are in printed format and are arranged by county/barony/parish/townland. (c) Cancelled books (archive Valuation Lists): These records date from the mid 1850s and are the continuation of Griffiths Primary Valuation. The records show lot number, rated occupier, immediate lessor, description of property, land area, and rateable valuation. Records were updated and amended based on periodic inspections made by Valuation Office valuers. The records run continuously into the 1990s and formatting ranges from manuscript entries (lasting approximately 120 years) to typed cards to computer records. By the late 1990s/early 2000s, all valuation lists were transferred to computer data. Records are arranged by county/district/electoral division/townland/town/street. (d) Maps: Original copies of the Griffiths maps are no longer held by this office, however, we hold scanned computer copies. We also hold original paper/linen copies of archive maps dating from the 1870s to the 1990s. These maps cover the Republic of Ireland and show the boundaries of lot numbers within each townland or street. The rated occupier etc is not named on the map. Buildings are also mapped although in certain cases all buildings within a lot number may not appear (buildings are designated by small letters after the lot number). Maps are arranged by county and Ordnance Survey number (and district). The scale is mostly 6’’ to 1 mile but other scaled maps appear in different areas (ie 25’’ to 1 mile, 50’’ to 1 mile, townplans, and 1/1000). 3. What information do I need to start a search ? We normally need the following information. Archive searches are manual: a. County name b. Townland or town/street name (parish and barony name may be required) c. Family name or lot number as it appeared in Griffiths Valuation. d. Any other details you may think useful to identify the property. e. Specify the timespan of the search request ie ‘1860-1910’ or ‘until the family name no longer appears in our records’. 4. What results can I expect to get from a search? Searches can be made from our earliest records to date and it’s possible to trace the occupiers etc of a property over a time-span of 150 years approximately. Our entries are based on periodic inspections (sometimes there can be a gap of 10-20 years between inspections). Details of the intervening occupiers are not usually held, nor are family member details or where the occupier moved to. Our records prove extremely valuable to genealogists or people conducting family research. Copies of the pages from the original documents and copies of requested maps will be forwarded. The relevant lot number will not be specifically identified unless requested as customers may prefer unmarked copies. 5. How much does it cost for a search? The following is our table of fees for archive research for our email/postal customers. All rates are in euro: Service Fee Remarks Standard research fee Euro 25.00 This is per request (ie multiple locations accepted) Photocopying fee Euro 1.27 colourEuro 0.63 black and white Field books, Griffiths Primary Valuation, Cancelled books per A3 page. Please request colour copies. 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Normally research is completed within 2-3 weeks of receipt of payment. This can sometimes vary, as additional correspondence may be necessary to complete the search. If searches are required for a deadline please mention this when contacting us and we’ll do our best to meet it. Sample costing: Standard research fee: euro 25.39 1 X A3 section archive map: euro 12.70 Estimated 10 x copies cancelled books: euro 6.30 Postage: euro 2.54 Total due: euro 46.93 7. Where can I get additional information to help me with my family research ? The following contact addresses may help you with additional research: (a) *National Archives, Bishop Street, Dublin 8. T: 01-4783711 (b) General Register Office, Joyce House, Lombard Street, Dublin 2. T: 01-6711000 (c) Representative Church Body Library, Braemor Park, Dublin 14. T: 01-4923979 (d) *Registry Of Deeds, Henrietta Street, Dublin 1. T: 01-6707500. (e) Presbyterian Historical Society, Church House, Fisherwick Place, Belfast BT1 6WD (f) Religious Society Of Friends Library, Swanbrook House, Morehampton Road, Dublin 4. T: 01-6687157 (g) Irish Jewish Museum, 3-4 Walworth Street, South Circular Road, Dublin 8. T: 01-4531797 *Archives contain information pre-dating Griffiths Primary Valuation. PERSONAL CALLERS: Research can also be conducted in person. Our archive reading room is open to personal callers: Monday-Friday 0915-1630. It is located on the ground floor. There is no need to make an appointment to visit during these hours. Research fees apply. Further information available on request. I hope the information is helpful. If you have any questions or wish to proceed with a request for research please contact me. Brendan Robbins Customer Service E: brendan.robbins@valoff.ie T: +353-1-8171041 Valuation Office Ireland, Block 2, Irish Life Centre, Abbey Street Lower, Dublin 1 , Ireland. This document is intended as a guide. 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