Dear Listers I've just got back a copy of the e-mail I just sent about the Irish census. Please believe me when I say -I DIDN'T WRITE IT IN THAT MUDDLED FORMAT! Can someone explain to me why e-mails get changed in cyberspace ? I had everything arranged in lists,with completely different spacing. Why didn't it arrive in the same format it was sent? Hope you can understand what I was getting at. Cathy

Dear Jane I think what I am trying to say is,that I don't have to know which DED- the LDS catalogue has worked it out for me. For example- I have recently been asked to look for a townland in co.Down- Kilkinamurry . I'm way out of my area here- have no knowledge of this county. So,I find the PARISH on _www.seanruad_ (http://www.seanruad) and it's Garvaghy. So type Garvaghy onto the family search website -PLACE SEARCH. Following through I get 1901/1911 census ,CLICK Film notes: Note Location Film 1911 Balloolymore D.E.D. 5/1-7 FHL BRITISH Film 827675 1901 Garvaghy D.E.D. 14/1-7 FHL BRITISH Film 827680 Item 1 1911 Balloolymore D.E.D. 5/1-4 Townlands: Ballooly, Balloolymore, Castlevennon, Killaney FHL BRITISH Film 2082444 Item 2 1911 Balloolymore D.E.D. 5/5-7 Townlands: Knockgorm, Shanrod, Tullyorior FHL BRITISH Film 2082445 Item 1 1911 Garvaghy D.E.D. 14/1-5 Townlands: Carnew, Enagh, Fedany, Garvaghy, Tullinisky FHL BRITISH Film 2092885 Item 2 1911 Garvaghy D.E.D. 14/6-7 Townlands: Corbally, Kilkinamurry VAULT BRITISH Film 2092682 Item 1 If you look at the 1911 entry,Kilkinamurry is listed as no.7 in Garvaghy DED 14 (Corbally is no.6). To work out the film no.I need in the 1901,I look for Garvaghy DED 14,townland no.7. The ITEM no. shows where it is on the film- on the 1911 the 2 townlands in Garvaghy will be the FIRST thing on the film.(There can be up to about 20 items on a film,but it varies enormously according to subject matter.) If I want to know what else is on that same film,I type the film no.into FILM/FICHE search on the LDS catalogue ( in this case, 4 townlands in Dromore parish). In this particular example,there's no real test,as the choices are minimal,but in a more complex example,the same principle would apply. In other words,if you took a copy of the LDS catalogue to the Dublin Archives with you,you would be able to determine the DED straightaway ( assuming you knew the parish.) I presume on occasion,a townland may move from one parish to another,and consequently come into a different DED from one census to another,probably more so in town than country.So far,I haven't met that situation,so I don't know if the LDS system holds up in those circumstances.I order a lot of census films working for the LDS and I have never had a problem (yet!) The last time I ordered a census in Dublin,they handed me the original books! Guess things have changed a bit? Just out of interest,I have this notion in my head that the LDS did the filming for the Archives. Is that likely? Just that the same films are missing from the 1911 Galway census for both the LDS and Galway Library.Coincidence? Cathy

Dear Cathy, The census (1901 or 1911) can be so simple to work with - that's true - when the enumerator has done his or her job properly, and when the pages have been filmed completely and correctly. Unlike the family historian who is usually interested in an area in one county, or a few counties, I work through the records for many different counties. As a person who uses the National Archives on a weekly basis, I meet with people who work their way through the 1901 census books from DED to DED trying to find the one that has their townland listed. They just don't know how to find out which DED their townland belongs to. How do those who use FAmily History Centres and the LDS films find out which District Electoral Division their townland will be listed under - do the LDS have a copy of the 1901 Townlands index? Please and thanks? It's all very easy for those of us who want to deal with country areas - the country enumerators did not make the mistakes that the city enumerators did - or, generally speaking, they did not. It doesn't matter which Irish city we talk about - or, whether it be the 1901 or 1911 census we speak of - the same kind of mistakes will be found from one to the other - enumerator sheets missing.........notes on the films saying this or that file in this or that DED is missing - even though it is actually on the film, but the numbers not filled in - or it is found out of sequence. So, yes, in some ways, I am going into extreme detail as to how to 'read' your way through a census film and find exactly what you are looking for - *but*, I am doing this because I have known many - including myself - to have made mistakes and think that the information is not there - when it really is there. I'm thinking about those, who may come to Ireland and spend one day in the National Archives as part of their trip. I'd like to make sure that they know all the pitfalls............ Me, I have all the time in the world to check something out - to go back again and make sure I've got it right - but the people wh ocome over here - they're not like me, they don't live in Dublin - they haven't had the years I have had to become accustomed to how this works. Over here, we can do all the first parts of your post re finding out about parishes etc, just as easily as you can - or, seemingly as easy................. How do you find out the name of the DED that your ancestors came from when you know the address using the LDS? - that's the part that can be difficult(time consuming) here. Is it as simple as searching for the townland name on the LDS catalogues site - from the FILM NOTES page? and that brings up the DED name? Thanks Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: CathOneill@aol.com To: sniliaghin@iol.ie ; IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [GALWAY] 1901 census - finding pages Dear Jane That was a very comprehensive article! The LDS is a little simpler!. Using the LDS catalogue,under Place search you enter the CIVIL PARISH . This brings up a short list,usually includes CHURCH RECORDS, 1901 CENSUS,1911 CENSUS. Click on either census,takes you to the same page! Click FILM NOTES. The 1911 census is broken down by DED + number e.g. Kilkelly 107/30-37,Kilmovee 108/1-21 ,Urlaur 109/1-11 followed by a list of the townlands contained therein,in numerical order. The 1901 ONLY gives Kilkelly 107/ 30-37 etc. but doesn't name the townlands. But you can work out the one you need by referring to the 1911. So far,have never had any difficulty finding the right film. Cathy

Dear list Just checking again to see if anyone has any additional information on this family from Calla (Callow Galway [GALWAY] Greene-Mealy Festus Malley and Honor Mitten children of Bridget ( M) to James Butler Barbara M to Martin Corbett Honor (Nora) b abt. 1828 Calla > M 1860 to Godfrey Greene Patrick (Festus) Anne Michael? M abt. 1860 Anne Walsh --b abt. 1830-40 Calla Galway Ireland \/\/ House 60 Clifden Ireland 1911 Census for Honor O'Mealy -Greene and Godfrey Greene Godfrey Green Householder Age 73 M -Lodging house keeper- Married Galway Winifred Gorman Boarder RC 32 F NR NM NR Honor Gorman Boarder RC 69 F NR NM NR Honor Green Wife RC 80 F NR Married Galway note Martin and Marg Quinn also in the house Sunday April 1911 Any additional information on the above Festus would b appreciated . Information on any of the individuals below in the census. Any information on the location of house 60 in Clifden. Thanks Teri

Melanie Your mail box is full - will not accept my e-mail to you. Re: your query, Griffiths Valuation ,1855 Galway. Cathy

Melanie There were 130 Tully families listed in Galway in 1855. Of these 17 were headed by a Patrick Tully,spread throughout 10 civil parishes. Unfortunately,you cannot exclude Pat (sen) living with HIS father,so you can't really exclude any of them at this stage. I presume you got the father's name from the marriage cert? Was Pat (sen) anything other than farmer or labourer? Cathy

Connallin is a variant of CONNELLAN- O'Conallain or O'Coinghiollain in Gaelic. The more usual angliziced form is Conlan/Conlon Cathy

Dear Valerie Long time no hear! If it's any help.I think I've worked out that there were only 2 Costello families on Inisheer. Pat, b. c 1745 who had sons John and Michael. Michael b.c1760,sons John and Tom. Wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they were brothers,and had a father called John,but alas,no proof!! That would mean this Tom,who married a Mary,is most probably yours. Not too many other candidates! Did he die in Ireland,or go with the family to Boston? As you know,there is nothing in the Inisheer graveyard to help. Have you looked for his death in Boston or Maine? Did you find any trace of Michael Costello (presumably Peter's older brother?) in the US? Have you tried the Civil War records? They might have joined the same unit. I am fairly sure the Michael on Inisheer in 1834 is son of Pat,not Tom. Maybe both father and son died on Aran,which precipitated the move to America. Do you have any info.on Mary's death? Do the ages tally? She was supposedly born c 1796. Cathy

Karl Do you know Patrick Bird's father's name? Was Patrick married in England or Ireland? If the latter,his wife's name? Cathy

Dear Jane That was a very comprehensive article! The LDS is a little simpler!. Using the LDS catalogue,under Place search you enter the CIVIL PARISH . This brings up a short list,usually includes CHURCH RECORDS, 1901 CENSUS,1911 CENSUS. Click on either census,takes you to the same page! Click FILM NOTES. The 1911 census is broken down by DED + number e.g. Kilkelly 107/30-37,Kilmovee 108/1-21 ,Urlaur 109/1-11 followed by a list of the townlands contained therein,in numerical order. The 1901 ONLY gives Kilkelly 107/ 30-37 etc. but doesn't name the townlands. But you can work out the one you need by referring to the 1911. So far,have never had any difficulty finding the right film. Cathy

I am searching for my ancestors, according to his naturalization records, my great great grandfather, Peter Costelloe came over from (what looks like) the Island of Inisheer, Ireland at the age of 13 (1851) His mothers name was Mary A. and he had sisters, Anne, Jane and Margaret. I have been unable to find anything much about Peters father except that his name may have been Thomas. Passenger lists for Boston were not good and he was not even listed there even though his naturalization records said that is where he came into port. After arriving in Boston the family was found in 1860 in Saco Maine. Peter was in the civil war soon after college and served as an asst. surgeon. After the civil war he moved to Del Norte County California and parts of southern Oregon. I found him living in California with is mother in 1870, but have never been able to find what happened to his father or sisters...If anyone has information I would gladly share what I have here. You can email me at shdy_lady1@yahoo.com Thanks so much for your help! Valarie ===== Check out our Costelloe family website at: http://www.geocities.com/shdy_lady1/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Dear List Just posting my CONALLIN surname again in the hope of getting some idea of where he came from. Malachi and Sarah (Ward) CONALLIN came to Australia between 1841 and 1845 probably via Liverpool. Malachi's death certificate indicated that he came from County Galway and would have been born about 1809. Malachi and Sarah's children were Honora (born 1841 in Liverpool, England) Michael (born August 1845 in Australia) and Sarah (died young). I have only come across this name via a contact in the USA and it's spelt CONNALLIN there. Does anyone have any idea on the origin or derivation of this name? Many thanks for any assistance. Ann Ann Kerin -----Original Message----- From: IRL-GALWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:IRL-GALWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Sunday, 12 September 2004 6:00 AM To: IRL-GALWAY-D@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-GALWAY-D Digest V04 #158

Hi. I'm searching for information on Patrick Tully and his family. Patrick Tully was born about May 1855 in Gal , Ireland (according to the England census). His father was also named Patrick Tully. Patrick got married in England in 1880. Is anyone else researching this family? I'm trying to find out his birthdate or baptismal date and his mother's name. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Sincerely, Melanie

Tonight on Channel 4 at 7.10pm- "Atlantic Britain" ...explores the west coast of Ireland..Skelligs...Aran...Croagh Patrick. Cathy

Hi All Just thought I would declare my interests as far as family history in Galway is concerned. According to the 1881 UK census, my ggg-grandfather PATRICK BIRD who lived in Hulme, Manchester hailed from Galway. His age was recorded as 40 yrs, which would give him a birthdate of around 1841. He was certainly living in Manchester by 1858 as his daughter, ELIZABETH BIRD was born that year. If anybody has information which might help me in my research, I would be very grateful. Thanks Karl Elliston

The 1901 census of Ireland is not indexed by the names of the people who lived in any particular place. It is however indexed by the name of the District Electoral Division. There's another geographical division for you to have to cope with!! - sorry. First of all..........the main division that you need in order to find that DED is the Poor Law Union, also known today as the 'Civil Registration District' - but which is actually the Superintendent Registrar's District - confusing, isn't it? This district is divided into 'Registrar's Districts' and further subdivided into District Electoral Divisions. Each District Electoral Division (DED) is divided into civil parishes - and the townlands in each civil parish section are listed alphabetically The Superintendent Registrars District, was known as the Poor Law Union pre 1845/64 When I want to find information on any family in a particular townland in the 1901 census............then I look up the number for the DED in the 1901 Townlands Index..............I go to the 1901 index book for the county I am interested in, and I check that the number for the DED that I am interested in is correct (these change from the 1901 to the 1911 census). After that, I look down the page for the DED and I see which number is beside the townland that I am interested in. When I am working in the National Archives of Ireland on this census - then I get the film that has the number for the DED I am interested in with the file that I want to see. The townland number is the file number. That's the way it works in Ireland - now, given that the LDS have filmed the records that we have here, I can only imagine that the numbers of the DED's will be the same - the LDS or PRONI may have a different method of filing their films - their reference numbers may not be as straightforward as they are here - maybe someone can comment on that? What I am saying is that here in Ireland, our film numbers are based on the District Electoral Division number and the file number for any townland that you are interested fits in with however many townlands are in that DED and where the townland is listed. If it is sixth on the list of townlands under that DED name - then the file number is 6 and so on. When I look at the films (this is all great in theory - I'll get to reality later!!!) - then, the first thing I will see are the 'Enumerator's Sheets' for that townland. The first page will give me all the details as regards the townland itself and physical aspects of the house - that is on the first sheet, I will see the various Divisions that this townland falls under - Barony, parish etc..............On that page, I will also see the file number. This is always to the Right Hand Side of the sheet..........an almost Oval shape, divided in two. In one half of that Oval/Circle - I see a number which is the number of the District Electoral Division...........and in the second half, there will be a note as to how many files are contained in that division, and the number of the file that I am looking at. It almost looks like this - say the DED is number 69 and there are 29 files in the DED and I am looking at file number 1 or the third townland listed in that DED. 69/ 29 files. file No. 1 - or, almost 69/1(the number of files will sit over the 1 in that oval/circle) There may be a few pages with information on the houses - but I want to see the names of the people who live in those houses, so I scroll past those first few pages and on to Form N, (I think it is) Form N will list the names of the people and the numbers on the individual record sheets on which I will find the information on any family listed. These numbers should correspond with house or plot numbers - but, they don't always. They do correspond with the number on the individual family sheet as filled out by the Head of Household though. So, I get to Form N and there are 17 lines on each page - the first may go 1-17 page 2 then goes 18-32.....and I scroll through those pages to find out how many houses there are in that area.......... If I really want to go to file 15 of the set - then I simply fast forward and stop every so often to check how close I am to DED 69/25.............once I hit 14then I check how many houses are supposed to be in that file and I watch the numbers as they go past me to make sure I get to the enumerator's sheets for 69/15. Once I get there - then I check the enumerators sheet to see if the surname I want is listed on it - I find out the number for that family and I go to that page. Jane

1901 Beagh Parish, Galway Census Parliamentary Division: S. Galway Poor Law Union: Gort Electoral Division: Beagh Barony: Kiltartan Constable District: Gort Sub-district: Tubber http://www.celticcousins.net/ireland/1901beaghcensus.htm 1911 Beagh Parish, Galway Census Heads of Household Parliamentary Division: S. Galway Poor Law Union: Gort Electoral Division: Beagh Barony: Kiltartan Constable District: Gort Sub-district: Tubber This transcription only contains 12 of the 20 townlands of Beagh parish: Ashfield Demesne, Attifineen, Ballyboy, Ballygeagin, Barna, Caherbroder, Carheenybaun, Carhoon, Cregboy, Cregg Demesne, Curtaun, Derry. http://www.celticcousins.net/ireland/1911beaghcensus.htm

Listers, I tried to send a copy of a message that I came across on the Michigan Genealogy web site, but I didn't realize that I was doing something wrong. I didn't know that I shouldn't copy and paste a message, and I can understand why when it was returned to me! It didn't remotely resemble the original email! What I wanted to post was a message from the Michigan site that said, as of Oct. 19th, Ancestry.com, owner of AncestryPlus, will terminate access to the database AncestryPlus from your home or anywhere outside a library. I don't know how that affects any Listers, and I don't know if it applies to all states or just Michigan. I also don't know if Plus is part of a paid Ancestry.com subscription and if it would affect those subscribers. I've been accessing it through the free GaleGroup offer for the last few weeks, but that will end soon, I'm sure. I just wanted to pass this on. Terry in Michigan

Hello folks, Anybody have any information on John Nee, born 1829 in Galway who married Katherine (Kate), born 1830 (not sure her family name). They left for America in about 1869 or 1870. Left two grown children (boys) in Galway. Moved to West Virginia where John worked first for the RR and then in a mine. There was a mine accident in 1873 and he was killed in the mine explosion (Ritchie Mines, W.Va.). They may have been from around Rynville. Should still have some Nees from that line around that part of Galway. I've heard those Nee's are related to the Dr. Irene Nee who is an MD in Galway. Looking for Nee folks of John Nee's and Kate's line in Galway. Don Tiffin The Colony, Texas (near Dallas) USA

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