I want to thank everyone who responded to my request for information on Kane's Pound. I will respond to each of you personally in the next couple of days. What I have found so far is on Griffith's Valuation, in the townland of Ballyeighter, there is a Fergus Concannon with approx. 2 acres living next to a John Kane who has approx. 51 acres. From the various replies I have had, the consensus is that Kane's Pound was a very small place, perhaps part of a larger farm. This would fit with the Concannon/Kane land as referenced in Griffith's. I have not verified this to be the exact location, but it is the best fit I have so far. It still leaves me trying to find my Concannons in Lisbrine in the 1840-1855 era, but one puzzle at a time! Once again, thank you to all who took the time to help me try to solve my puzzle. Your help is appreciated more than you could ever know. Regards, Linda Jackson Danbury, CT USA

I've checked the parish histories for Kilmacduagh and Kiltartan and there was mention of a Patrick Concannon listed in Kinincha in 1856 (Kiltartan parish). There was no mention of a Kane's pound but neither books' index is complete so you'd have to read the books to make sure (both worthwhile pasttimes but time consuming). There's reference to a pound in Kiltartan parish which would be nearby - from the description it served as the local livestock market area. Also found no one named Kane, but there were Keanes in the Lisatunna area around 1830 & 40, and Coen's and Keane's in Ballinamantan from about 1880. Don't know if the following will help, but apparently, the locals in both Kilmacduagh and Kiltartan had a habit of naming fields and other local places so Kilbeacanty probably did the same. Some of the named areas were likely not on the six-inch maps either, for example: Cnoc a'Tóchair (hill of the stepping stones, which was located "at the top of the hill, facing Deerpark between the McAllen's and Josie Curley's"), Barnageeha (Wind gap, the old name for the area covered by Lavally North and Rinneen South). Another possibility, though possibly remote, is that since much of the South Galway area is full of turloughs it refers to a seasonal pond area instead of a pound - I saw a map of some of the named turloughs on display when I was at Coole Park 2 weeks ago but can't recall if it was just of the Coole estate or if it also included the surrounding area. Pete, if you'd like the complete list of field names given for Kiltartan for your database just let me know and I'll copy them out for you. Also, Sister may be able to put you in touch with the Ms. Egan who supplied her with the names as there are apparently many many more that were not included in her book. You can reach Sister Fahy (and get her book) at the Kiltartan Gregory Museum. Laurie searching for O'Shaughnessy, any spelling, any time, anywhere -----Original Message----- From: PeteScherm@aol.com [mailto:PeteScherm@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:17 PM To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GALWAY] Re: Townland help request Linda at LMJack15@aol.com writes: << In searching parish records for Kilbeacanty, I came across a townland I can't seem to locate. It is Kanes Pound (was also written as Kanespound, Kane's Pound). >> Linda, It looks as if this will be a tough one. My usual "sources" haven't been much help thus far (but that only encourages me <gr>). I also looked for a townland which might have had an Irish equivalent (po/na for pound, e.g.). And, as you probably have already discovered, the search engines aren't much help. I have been wondering if such a location might exist on the "outskirts" of Gort town (Kilbeacanty civil parish approaches Gort quite closely on the east side). I've also wondered whether this might be related to the Lough Cutra Demesne - which was an extensive estate in the 1800's. I have been playing-with a similar situation in Co. Longford, and am progressing (a bit) with the (unsure) assumption that there may have been a change in the local name for the townland itself.......and have been going through on-line records of that parish at that time, and trying to eliminate townland names until I have winnowed the selection down to a few possibilities (not an easy task for someone who doesn't do any genealogy <gr>). Then I might be able to suggest candidates for the altered names. Have you tried to take the 20 or 30 townlands in Kilbeacanty civil parish, and eliminating the various townland names which DO appear in your lists - and see what's left-over at the end of the 'battle'? That might be helpful..... but probably only if we're talking about an entire townland. In any case, I'm hoping for a brainstorm in the near future, which might give me a clue. Other than that unlikely possibility, all I can suggest is that Kane's Pound is a particular local name for a portion of a (probably) large townland. We need more people with the old six-inch maps to make their presence known....and help us out here !!!! Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== NETSCAPE questions or expertise???? mailto:Netscape-L-request@rootsweb.com To unsub or change your Irl-Galway mailing mode: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-GALWAY.html ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Linda, FWIW, I've emailed my cousins in Tubber to see whether they recognise this name. Kilbeacanty is only a few miles from Tubber and they have lived there all their lives so if the name is a living-memory one they may know it. Watch this space. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) System firewalled with ZoneAlarm Pro and regularly caulked with Microsoft Critical Updates. System and outgoing e-mails scanned with automatically-updated Norton Antivirus 2002. And a hearty thank-you to those who take similar precautions and thereby prevent their address books from being hijacked and used to send me spam, viruses, worms, scumware and other undesirable stuff.

I'm sure it was an actual POUND ,probably run by a man called Cain/Kane etc. It may not have been a townland at all- just a way of referring to a specific location-"..it's near Kane's pound.." and it stuck. (I'm working on somewhere called Glen Cross(Down) and I'm sure it was simply a crossroads with maybe a pub or shop or blacksmiths etc.- not a listed townland) The Townland index we use (seanruad) was based on the 1851 census. In an effort to standardise spellings and locations once and for all, and to accompany the publication of Griffiths Valuation ,some names in common usage at the time were dropped in favour of a local alternative. I've looked through the parish in Griffiths but haven't been able to locate a pound anywhere- yet. There was a pound in Gort- I have it on the 6" OS map. It's SE of the town,on the southern side of the river,near a place marked New Bridewell.At the time of mapping(1840s/50s?) this was well outside the town of Gort. Whether it would be in Kilbeacanty parish,I can't say. Just in case anyone is interested: There are many old names no longer printed on maps or listed as townlands. The townland is based on a mediaeval system,and was divided into CARROWS (ceathru) or quarters. Each carrow contained 4 CARTRONS (cartur) ,each of which contained 4 CROGGERIES(cnagaire) A croggery was about 16 acres,so a cartron was 64 acres,a carrow 256 acres and a townland should be 1024 acres. However, in some places there were more than 4 quarters in a townland, and the Irish acre was one and two thirds the size of a statute acre,so it's a little confusing! The main point is that many of these sub-divisions were named,and it is these old names that were used in the parish records.Unfortunately ,most have passed out of common usage and that's why we are struggling to locate them today. Perhaps an e-mail to the GORT library might help? Cathy

Linda at LMJack15@aol.com writes: << In searching parish records for Kilbeacanty, I came across a townland I can't seem to locate. It is Kanes Pound (was also written as Kanespound, Kane's Pound). >> Linda, It looks as if this will be a tough one. My usual "sources" haven't been much help thus far (but that only encourages me <gr>). I also looked for a townland which might have had an Irish equivalent (po/na for pound, e.g.). And, as you probably have already discovered, the search engines aren't much help. I have been wondering if such a location might exist on the "outskirts" of Gort town (Kilbeacanty civil parish approaches Gort quite closely on the east side). I've also wondered whether this might be related to the Lough Cutra Demesne - which was an extensive estate in the 1800's. I have been playing-with a similar situation in Co. Longford, and am progressing (a bit) with the (unsure) assumption that there may have been a change in the local name for the townland itself.......and have been going through on-line records of that parish at that time, and trying to eliminate townland names until I have winnowed the selection down to a few possibilities (not an easy task for someone who doesn't do any genealogy <gr>). Then I might be able to suggest candidates for the altered names. Have you tried to take the 20 or 30 townlands in Kilbeacanty civil parish, and eliminating the various townland names which DO appear in your lists - and see what's left-over at the end of the 'battle'? That might be helpful..... but probably only if we're talking about an entire townland. In any case, I'm hoping for a brainstorm in the near future, which might give me a clue. Other than that unlikely possibility, all I can suggest is that Kane's Pound is a particular local name for a portion of a (probably) large townland. We need more people with the old six-inch maps to make their presence known....and help us out here !!!! Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

HI THAT MAKES 2 OF US. I AM LOOKING FOR HYNES & HIGGINS IN KANES POUND & PETERS WELL. (PETERSWELL) >>> <LMJack15@aol.com> 09/23/04 07:11PM >>> In searching parish records for Kilbeacanty, I came across a townland I can't seem to locate. It is Kanes Pound (was also written as Kanespound, Kane's Pound). There were quite a number of births for this townland (I'm searching Concannon, Brod(e)rick, Holland), so I saw it written any times, and yet I can't locate it in Kilbeacanty parish. Can SKS help? Regards, Linda Jackson Danbury, CT USA

In searching parish records for Kilbeacanty, I came across a townland I can't seem to locate. It is Kanes Pound (was also written as Kanespound, Kane's Pound). There were quite a number of births for this townland (I'm searching Concannon, Brod(e)rick, Holland), so I saw it written any times, and yet I can't locate it in Kilbeacanty parish. Can SKS help? Regards, Linda Jackson Danbury, CT USA

I would like to say thank you to all who responded to my question regarding an epidemic that occurred during 1900-1914. I was concerned with an epidemic in Ireland only. I did not include the country I was looking for when I asked the question, I'm sorry Pat

Hello List I am new to this list. I am researching the name MEEHAN in the Shankill/Turloughmore area. I have a Mary Meehan born 2/4/1887, shankill/Turloughmore. Father..Micheal Meehan and Mother..Bridget Farragher. Firstly is anyone else researching this name. Secondly I would like to know if anyone can help me find out what siblings this woman had and if I am really lucky find a marriage for the parents. Any help on this greatly appreciated.Thank you Carol Orr/NZ

That period is close to the World Wide Flu epidemic. I don't know if this chart will come through clearly or not, but it came from another mailing list. Betty Pace Note: * means the epidemic was spread over more than one year. WW means World Wide YearAilmentPlaceOther info 1350Bubonic plagueWW* 1499Bubonic plagueUK London- 1507"Fever"UK* 1507-51 1551InfluenzaUK- 1555FamineUKRains brought famine & weakness 1556Bubonic plagueUK* 1556-63 Extreme 1578Bubonic plagueUK- 1586Bubonic plagueUK* Chesterfield. Harvest failed 1591Acute distressUK- 1593Bubonic plagueUK- 1596FamineUK* Harvests failed & epidemics 1603Bubonic plagueUK- 1612Bubonic plagueUK- 1617SmallpoxUS* Native Americans 1623Bad yearsUK* 2 years 1625Bubonic plagueUK- 1626Bubonic plagueUK- 1630Very bad yearUKMany died 1631Bubonic plagueUK- 1633SmallpoxUS* Native Americans 1636Bubonic plagueUK- 1637Bubonic plagueUK- 1647Yellow FeverWest Indies- 1648SmallpoxUS- 1648Whooping coughUS- 1654Bubonic plagueUK- 1657MeaslesUS-Boston- 1662SmallpoxUS-NY- 1665Bubonic plagueUK* Extreme 1668Yellow FeverUS-NY- 1677SmallpoxUS-Boston* 1687MeaslesUS-Boston- 1690Yellow FeverUS-NY- 1699Yellow FeverUS-SC- 1702Yellow FeverUS-NY* 1702Scarlet FeverUS-Boston- 1706Yellow FeverUS-SC- 1713MeaslesUS-Boston- 1721SmallpoxUS-Boston- 1723InfluenzaWW- 1723FamineUK* 7 years poor harvests & epidemics 1728Yellow FeverUS-SC- 1729MeaslesUS-Boston- 1732Yellow FeverUS-SC- 1732InfluenzaWW* 1735Diphtheria/scarlet feverUS* 4 yrs - New England 1738SmallpoxUS-SC- 1739MeaslesUS-Boston* 1743Yellow FeverUS-NY* 1747MeaslesUS-CT, NY, PA, SC- 1759MeaslesNorth America- 1761InfluenzaUS & West Indies- 1763SmallpoxUS-Boston* 1772MeaslesUS- 1775InfluenzaWW* 1783Bilious disorderUSFatal 1788MeaslesUS-PA, NY- 1789InfluenzaUS- 1792Yellow FeverUS* 7 yrs 1793UnknownUS-PA- 1793InfluenzaUS-VT, VA- 1802SmallpoxUS-NE- 1803Yellow FeverUS-NY- 1820"Fever"US* 1826CholeraWW* 1826-37 1826Dengue FeverUS and West Indies* 1829MalariaUS* 1831CholeraUK, US-OH, NY* Started WW 1826 1832InfluenzaUS- 1837TyphusUS-PA- 1837SmallpoxUS-Native Americans- 1841Yellow FeverUS- 1847MeaslesUS-Native Americans- 1847Yellow FeverUS-New Orleans- 1847InfluenzaWW* 1848CholeraWW* 1850Yellow FeverUS- 1850InfluenzaUS* 1850Dengue FeverUS* 1851CholeraUS-IL- 1852Yellow FeverUS-New Orleans- 1853CholeraBirmingham? This came from a UK report with the ?- 1855Yellow FeverUS- 1857InfluenzaWW* 1860SmallpoxUS-PA- 1861Numerous EpidemicsUS-Civil war numerous infectious diseases* 1865SmallpoxUS* 1865CholeraUS- 1865TyphusUS* 1868SmallpoxUS* 7 yrs 1873InfluenzaUK, US & Europe* 1873CholeraUS- 1878Yellow FeverUS-New Orleans- 1885TyphoidUS-PA- 1886Yellow FeverUS-FL- 1889InfluenzaWW* 1893PolioUS1st known outbreak 1900PlagueUS* 1901SmallpoxUS* 1907PolioUS* 9 yrs. 1917InfluenzaWW* Worst ever 1931PolioUS* 1931 to 1942, 11 yrs From: Pahtwo@aol.com To: irl-galway-d@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:17:44 EDT Subject: epidemic Does anyone know about an epidemic that occurred during 1900 to 1914. I had an aunt and uncle who died as teenagers. The year of their deaths occurred during that period of time. Any help that anyone can provide will be much appreciated. Pat ______________________________

Cathy Thank you so much for this - you are very kind. I haven't yet gone through the UK marriage indeces, however, that is my next major task! Karl CathOneill@aol.com wrote: < < < -------------------------------1095683052 < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" < Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit < < Dear Karl < Sorry to be so long getting back to you. < < < I've had a look at the Galwy Birds in Griffiths 1855. < The surname BIRD is a anglicisation of HEANY or HENAGHAN,both of which are < also found in Galway,so hopefully you will find yours as Bird,or the search < will be endless. < < There are not too many possible candidates. < 1)Patrick Bird, a major landholder/businessman in Tuam. < He farms 60+ acres and leases out 30+ houses in Halfstraddle,Tuam.He also < has other business holdings in the town. < < 2)Pat + james- Ballydotia,belclare < 3)James- Cappagh,Dunmore < 4) Walter- Carrowkeel,Dunmore < 5)James-townparks,Kilcloony < 6)Michael + Mark -Parkgarve + Pollsillagh,Kilmoylan < 7)Mary-Loughrea < 8)Mary + Edward - St.Nicholas (galway city) < 9)Michael- Cartronroe-Tuam < 10)Pat- Corralea west Tuam < 11) Michael + Mary -Townparks 5,Tuam < < Have you checked the British marriage indexes yet? < That should be your first option.You will get his father's name,if they < married in England. < You aslo need to know which religion. < < Cathy < < -------------------------------1095683052 < Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" < Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable < < <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> < <HTML><HEAD> < <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUS-ASCII"> < <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1458" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> < <BODY id=3Drole_body style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY:=20= < Arial"=20 < bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7><FONT id=3Drol= < e_document=20 < face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2> < <DIV>Dear Karl</DIV> < <DIV>Sorry to be so long getting back to you.</DIV> < <DIV>�</DIV> < <DIV>�</DIV> < <DIV>I've had a look at the Galwy Birds in Griffiths 1855.</DIV> < <DIV>The surname BIRD is a anglicisation of HEANY or HENAGHAN,both of which=20= < are=20 < also found in Galway,so hopefully you will find yours as Bird,or the search=20= < will=20 < be endless.</DIV> < <DIV>�</DIV> < <DIV>There are not too many possible candidates.</DIV> < <DIV>1)Patrick Bird, a major landholder/businessman in Tuam.</DIV> < <DIV>He farms 60+ acres and leases out 30+ houses in Halfstraddle,Tuam.He al= < so=20 < has other business holdings in the town.</DIV> < <DIV>�</DIV> < <DIV>2)Pat + james- Ballydotia,belclare</DIV> < <DIV>3)James- Cappagh,Dunmore</DIV> < <DIV>4) Walter- Carrowkeel,Dunmore</DIV> < <DIV>5)James-townparks,Kilcloony</DIV> < <DIV>6)Michael + Mark -Parkgarve + Pollsillagh,Kilmoylan</DIV> < <DIV>7)Mary-Loughrea</DIV> < <DIV>8)Mary + Edward - St.Nicholas (galway city)</DIV> < <DIV>9)Michael- Cartronroe-Tuam</DIV> < <DIV>10)Pat- Corralea west Tuam</DIV> < <DIV>11) Michael + Mary -Townparks 5,Tuam</DIV> < <DIV>�</DIV> < <DIV>Have you checked the British marriage indexes yet?</DIV> < <DIV>That should be your first option.You will get his father's name,if they= < =20 < married in England.</DIV> < <DIV>You aslo need to know which religion.</DIV> < <DIV>�</DIV> < <DIV>Cathy</DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML> < < -------------------------------1095683052-- < _________________________________________________________________ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer

Interesting...is that what happened to Patt & Lizzie?

Does anyone know about an epidemic that occurred during 1900 to 1914. I had an aunt and uncle who died as teenagers. The year of their deaths occurred during that period of time. Any help that anyone can provide will be much appreciated. Pat

Dear Karl Sorry to be so long getting back to you. I've had a look at the Galwy Birds in Griffiths 1855. The surname BIRD is a anglicisation of HEANY or HENAGHAN,both of which are also found in Galway,so hopefully you will find yours as Bird,or the search will be endless. There are not too many possible candidates. 1)Patrick Bird, a major landholder/businessman in Tuam. He farms 60+ acres and leases out 30+ houses in Halfstraddle,Tuam.He also has other business holdings in the town. 2)Pat + james- Ballydotia,belclare 3)James- Cappagh,Dunmore 4) Walter- Carrowkeel,Dunmore 5)James-townparks,Kilcloony 6)Michael + Mark -Parkgarve + Pollsillagh,Kilmoylan 7)Mary-Loughrea 8)Mary + Edward - St.Nicholas (galway city) 9)Michael- Cartronroe-Tuam 10)Pat- Corralea west Tuam 11) Michael + Mary -Townparks 5,Tuam Have you checked the British marriage indexes yet? That should be your first option.You will get his father's name,if they married in England. You aslo need to know which religion. Cathy

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Dear Michele, Thanks for thinking of me in your travels. I do not think I posted the birthdates of Peter and the girls and will do so now. Jane Costelloe 1826, Margaret Costelloe 1833, Ann Costelloe 1835, and Peter Costelloe 1839. When ever I see the name Costelloe with the "e" I sit up and take notice, not that it hasnt or couldnt be spelled without the "e" In fact my grandfather used the "e" on my mothers birth certificate and left it off my aunts (or was it the other way around??) In any case, I have been at this brick wall for sometime. Peter Costelloe was very prominent in society in Northern Calif and Southern Oregon, He owned land, was a census taker, a post master, and a teacher...I do wish the rest of his family had followed suit! Im beginging to think they dropped off the face the earth! Thanks again, and if you need anything out Oregon way, let me know. Val ===== Check out our Costelloe family website at: http://www.geocities.com/shdy_lady1/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Dear Valerie, I'm not sure if this will help you but, this is what I have seen in a grave yard in Lakehurst NJ. St. Johns RC church. This grave yard caught my attention because of how old it is, and this very big stone read at the bottom, "Natives of county Galway Ireland. And plus the name Dowd was mentioned, that I have found with my name "Goggins'. I was told I would be able to look at records this church has, the little old church, is not in use, but, they have hours of operation of were you can look at written paper's of town meetings and, etc., which I will do pretty soon. The stone reads as follows: Thaddeus Dowd died Mar 11 1895 aged 85 yrs HIS WIFE Margaret Costello died Nov. 10 1890 aged 78 yrs THEIR SON Michael Dowd died Sept. 8 1873 aged 29 yrs. I hope this helps you. Michele

I am trying to find the families of Patrick KING and Ellen COSGROVE from Barbersfort near Tuam. Their son, Thomas, was born at Barbersfort in 1839 and migrated to Australia in 1865, sponsored by a Denis McGrath of the same area, who had arrived some time earlier. It is most likely that Ellen Cosgrove was born in the parish of Killererin, and possibly Patrick was from there, too. Can anyone help me? TIA Audrey King, NSW Blue Mts, Australia

I certainly understand, Cathy. This tendency of the Rootsweb listing system to garble simple ASCII formatted text infuriates me, as does its inability to forward a URL without breaking it up into bits so that the reader cannot simply click on it to get to the web page. If only one could find the responsible person at Rootsweb to flag this..... Pádraig (the Paddy that was) System firewalled with ZoneAlarm Pro and regularly caulked with Microsoft Critical Updates. System and outgoing e-mails scanned with automatically-updated Norton Antivirus 2002. And a hearty thank-you to those who take similar precautions and thereby prevent their address books from being hijacked and used to send me spam, viruses, worms, scumware and other undesirable stuff.

Cathy The only extra info I have managed to track so far (other than the original details I gave & thanks to a kind soul on the Manchester list) is that Patrick's wife was listed in the 1871 census as BRIDGET BIRD. Also, on this census, their ages were recorded as 36 and 34 respectively, which would put Patrick's birth around 1835 as opposed to 1841 (calculated from the 1881 census). Like Patrick, Bridget was also from Galway. I have not managed to trace a marriage record yet. Regards Karl CathOneill@aol.com wrote: < < < -------------------------------1095161411 < Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" < Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit < < Karl < Do you know Patrick Bird's father's name? < Was Patrick married in England or Ireland? < If the latter,his wife's name? < Cathy < < -------------------------------1095161411 < Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" < Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable < < <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> < <HTML><HEAD> < <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUS-ASCII"> < <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1458" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> < <BODY id=3Drole_body style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY:=20= < Arial"=20 < bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7><FONT id=3Drol= < e_document=20 < face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2> < <DIV>Karl</DIV> < <DIV>Do you know Patrick Bird's father's name?</DIV> < <DIV>Was Patrick married in England or Ireland?</DIV> < <DIV>If the latter,his wife's name?</DIV> < <DIV>Cathy</DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML> < < -------------------------------1095161411-- < _________________________________________________________________ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer