Anita This is Shantallow townland. You didn't give a date,but originally Shantallow was outside the city of Galway. Now it is part of the city. I have Fort Eyre marked on an old map of Galway. I will scan it and send it to you tomorrow as an attachment. Fort Eyre was at the junction of Maunsell's road and Shantalla road on a modern city map. Cathy

My father was born at above address in 1886. ( # 1 Fort Eyre, Shantalla, Galway.) Can anyone tell me the name of the townland? Anita Carroll

I would like to order a film from the Family History Library for the Tithe but I'm not sure what to look for. Is it listed under Townland? The information I have on my Mitchells is Townland Windfield Upper County Galway Barony Tiaquin Civil Parish Moylough PLU Mountbellew Would appreciate any help. Eileen

Thanks for feedback, Pete. We're getting there. Must run to airport. Will get back ASAP. Paddy

Padraig at pcasey@compuserve.com writes: > My cousin who lives in Tubber (a few km from Kilbeacanty) tells me that ".......Keanespound is in the Derrybrien area". < Padraig, That's quite a help. I immediately went to the maps, but still couldn't find anything of similar name on my maps (perhaps it was buried in the last big bog slide? <gr>). But the fact that there are people currently alive who know about the place, should give some hope to the searcher. > The Derrybriens are around 11 km east of Kilbeacanty. < But from the easternmost townland in Kilbeacanty parish (Derrykeel) over to Derrybrien South is less than 2 miles (the Irish signs don't change until 20 Jan. <gr>). Of course, the four Derrybrien townlands cover over 15 square miles of the county, so there's a lot of room to hide a Keanespound there...... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Someone on the list asked about Kainspound / Keanespound in the parish of Kilbeacanty. My cousin who lives in Tubber (a few km from Kilbeacanty) tells me that ".......Keanespound is in the Derrybrien area". The Derrybriens are around 11 km east of Kilbeacanty. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) System firewalled with ZoneAlarm Pro and regularly caulked with Microsoft Critical Updates. System and outgoing e-mails scanned with automatically-updated Norton Antivirus 2002. And a hearty thank-you to those who take similar precautions and thereby prevent their address books from being hijacked and used to send me spam, viruses, worms, scumware and other undesirable stuff.

Hi, Am new to the list, have just been observing. My grandfather, Patrick Gilmore, was born in Woodfield, Dunmore, County Galway and immigrated to the US in about 1873. We still have some relatives there to correspond with, but I am wondering if anyone has done any Ganley research there. Patrick's parents were John Gilmore and Julia Ganley. I seem to come up blank in any queries or searches on the net. Thanks. Pat Byrne Thurmes....MN....USA

Here are just a couple of thoughts, or leads, Sandy. I thought I'd sent this off this morning but must have mis-addressed it. Turloch Mór and Turloch Corr are two of the chief sources of winter supply on the eastern side of Loch Corrib in Co.Galway. These turlochs were famous water fowl haunts in winter, and fine pasturage in summer; but since the drainage operations portions of several of them have been tilled. There is also a Turloch Breige in Co.Galway (see http://www.claregalway.net/townlands.htm). There is also a place called Turloch Beag in Co. Galway with a school (Scoil Nais Mhuire, Turloch Beag, Rosmuc, Co. Galway (091) 574312). You write "...Tried Galway 30 July 1840....". That could be Galway City or Galway County, of course, but with such a precise date I wondered whether you have had a shot at locating court records or - possibly easier - newspaper records. I'm not up to speed on the old Galway newspaper archives but someone on this list will know which papers are to be found in which libraries. I looked for Toole in http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Galway/index.html but had no luck. All for the moment. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) System firewalled with ZoneAlarm Pro and regularly caulked with Microsoft Critical Updates. System and outgoing e-mails scanned with automatically-updated Norton Antivirus 2002. And a hearty thank-you to those who take similar precautions and thereby prevent their address books from being hijacked and used to send me spam, viruses, worms, scumware and other undesirable stuff.

In a message dated 9/24/2004 4:55:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CathOneill@aol.com writes: > I'm sure it was an actual POUND ,probably run by a man called Cain/Kane > etc. > I was wondering whether it could be "Kane's POND".... Janice

thanks for explaining! leigh

Sandy at gsbm@austarnet.com.au writes: << The name on the papers which is a bit faded looks like Turloch(Tarlock? Turluck?) W. Galway >> Sandy, Padraig is right about there being turloughs "everywhere" in the west of Ireland. But if we limit the search to only townlands, with turlough in the name......and if we define W. Galway is being the part of the county represented by the Baronies of Ballynahinch, Ross, Moycullen and Galway, only - then we are reduced to two townlands. Turlough townland, at over 3000 acres, covers the northern and northeastern end of Kilkieran Bay - up the bay as far as you can go. Turloughbeg townland, 269 acres, is farther down the east side of the Bay, just north of Camus Bay and next to Rosmuck. Kilbrickan townland separates Turlough from Turloughbeg. All of these townlands are in Kilcummin civil parish. To find these places on a road map, you might start with the Maam Cross to Costelloe and Rossaveel road, R 336. As you head south from Maam Cross 5 or 6 miles, the R 340 connects with this north-south road, and heads west then southwest to Kilkieran. At the top of the bay, where this road turns to the southwest..... that is Turlough. And Turloughbeg is a couple of miles south. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Just a caveat here, Sandy, to help you in your search: a turlough or turloch is a temporary lake, especially in Ireland*. There are a lot of places in the West of Ireland called turlough or variants of it (Turloughmor, Turloughbeg, etc.). It's rather like the word "tobar/Tubber", which means "a well". There are zillions of holy wells in Ireland so there are lots of places with names containing tobar (Tubber, Tubbercurry, Tubbereen, Tubber-na-carrig ......). So I wonder whether your piece of paper has any other words which might qualify the turlough. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) * Flat-bottomed sinkholes in limestone areas, in particular in that barren limestone pavement landscape in western Ireland called the Burren, can become flooded in wet weather as underground systems fill up and the water table rises. The resulting lakes, turloughs, can appear quite quickly after a spell of wet weather, vanishing again within a few days of the rain stopping. Some lakes are seasonal, water-filled in winter but reliably dry enough in summer to be used for pasture. Turloughs empty through parts of the floor of the sinkholes and also through swallow holes—small depressions filled with loose rocks. Researchers in Ireland argue turloughs are unique, quite unlike others, such as some English meres, and types variously called dolines, uvalas and poljes. The Irish ones are more erratic in the way they appear and disappear, as the result of climate, underlying rock type, and depth of soil in the sinkholes that holds back drainage. The word is from Irish turloch, deriving from tur, dry, plus loch, lake, the second element being pronounced with a guttural ch as in the Scots loch.

Hello List, I wonder if anyone could be of assistance. I have the transportation papers of one of my ancestors a James Toole. The name on the papers which is a bit faded looks like Turloch(Tarlock? Turluck?) W. Galway has anyone got any ideas on what it could be as I have not been able to find it, Regards Sandy Australia

THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, Monday, July 5, 1824 Michael Perrin, of this town, gentleman, was on Wednesday last sworn an Attorney in his Majesty's Court of Common Pleas, and so admitted a Member of the Honourable Society of King's Inns. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TO BE LET FROM THE FIRST OF MAY LAST, For such Term as may be agreed upon-and subject to re-survey thereof, THE HOUSE, OFFICES, AND LANDS OF CAHERKELLIN, SITUATE in the barony of Dunmore, and County of Galway, containing by an old survey, 125 acres, 2 roods, and 30 perches of Arable and Pasture Land, and 28 acres, 2 roods, and 20 perches of Bog. No promise of preference has or will be given, but the best bidder and most solvent tenant will be declared when the value is offered. Written proposals only (post paid) will be received by James Daly, Esq. Great Charles-street, Mountjoy-square, Dublin; or by Arthur F. St. George, Esq., Tyrone, Oranmore. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CHANCERY. John Galway and Margaret }PURSUANT to the Holmes, Plaintiffs; } Decree of his Ma- Ignatius Jos. Ffrench, Esq } jesty's High Court of and others-Defendants. } Chancery in Ireland, ____________________ } made in this Cause and bearing date, the 15th day of July, 1822, I will, on Friday, the 16th day of July instant, at the hour of one o'clock in the afternoon at my Chambers, on the Inns-quay, Dublin, set up and sell by Public Cant, to the highest and fairest bidder, All that and Those the Town and Lands of CARROWBEAGH, in the County of Galway; the Estate of the Defendant, situate in the County of Galway, or a competent part thereof, for the purposes in said Decree mentioned-Dated this 3d day of July, 1823. THOMAS ELLIS. Application as to title, &c to be made to Mr. Galway, 11, Summer-hill, Dublin. July 5. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A MEETING of the TRUSTEES appointed by the LONDON TAVERN COMMITTEE for the COUNTY of GALWAY, will be held at the CONNAUGHT HOTEL, TUAM, on THURSDAY, the 15th JULY, at the hour of Twelve o'clock, for the purpose of receiving Applications for Loans for the Encouragement of Industry. July 1, 1824 Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Sandy, My family if from Turlough Beg, Rosmuc, in the west of Galway. It is not hard to find. Good luck. Mary

The MANLEY project has been running for some months now and there are approaching 20 so far who have joined and had their DNA analysed by "Family Tree DNA" in Houston, Texas. They use the laboratories of the University of Arizona to carry out the analysis. The easiest way to get the information is to look at their website _www.familytreedna.com_ (http://www.familytreedna.com) All the details are there, including how to set up a name project. Brian

Dear Carol Do you mean Shankill on the edge of Lough Corrib? If so ,you should be looking in the Annaghdown parish registers. These are on LDS film no.1279206, 1834-1909. Also,you could check the marriage indexes for the Meehan/Farragher marrige pre-1887. (Ican find no children born before 1875,so the span you need to look at is 1875-1887) I can search the 1881-4 for you next week if I get a chance. Cathy

I am new to the Galway list and would like to post my interests. Looking for information on CROGHAN or it's variants; CROUGHAN, CROHAN, or CROGAN. I have found numerous references in the civil registration district of Glennamaddy. This location is of great interest to me as the historic homeland of the sept is just over the border in County Roscommon. Would anyone have Griffith's Valuation available to check for references? Thanks in advance. Joe Crogan in Ohio

In a message dated 9/25/2004 9:48:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, Brianwmanley@aol.com writes: > We have joined the splendid MANLEY DNA project and that has enabled us to > eliminate several possible links and to find two families with matching DNA > in > the USA. I have asked this question about four times now and have seen others ask...with no reply. Can someone explain to me about this DNA project and how it works? thanks for your time

It is a while since I posted my story and in the hope that since then someone has joined who might help — here it is again. My great grandfather was Michael MANLEY, born about 1831 (we know not where), married Bridget CAROLAN in Dublin in 1850, died in Dublin in 1889. We have been unable to find anything about his origins. He had two sons, Stephen George (born in Booterstown 1851, died in Oughterard 1919) and William John, my grandfather (born in Kingstown 1861, died in Woolwich, England in 1942). He also had a daughter Kate whose birth registration we cannot find, but she married Peter McCANN in Dublin in 1890. Their marriage is recorded in Westland Row church, but there is no Civil Registration and we have no idea what happened to Kate. Stephen George had three sons that survived to adulthood; Joseph Patrick (born in 1978), William (born in 1882) and John (born in 1886). We have found no record of them after the 1901 census and we think they must have emigrated. He also had a daughter Mary Bridget (born in 1890) who married James KELLY in Galway Co. in 1911. They had a number of children (Thomas, 1912; Christopher Stephen, 1913; Michael John, 1916; Joseph Francis, 1918; Patrick, 1921; Anthon y Oliver, 1923; Mary Bridget, 1927) but the trail goes cold then. We guess they emigrated from Galway at some point after that. We have joined the splendid MANLEY DNA project and that has enabled us to eliminate several possible links and to find two families with matching DNA in the USA. Unfortunately we have not been able to find the common ancestor. It seems that both families Irish ancestors emigrated in the early to mid 19th century, but they have no information to help. Does that story ring any bells with any on the list? Brian Manley Sussex, England.