Kathy & Linda, Now would be the time to order a copy of the 1830s ordnance survey map of the area from the National Archives of Canada (contact April Miller at AMiller@ARCHIVES.CA and don't ask me why the NAC is the repository of 1830s Irish OS maps.......) and the 1915 OS map from the Irish OS in Phoenix Park (mapsales@osi.ie or call +353 (1) 802 5379). Both are very detailed and one or both will very likely show you the cattle pound. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: ITTCAQ@aol.com [mailto:ITTCAQ@aol.com] Sent: 19 October 2004 05:46 To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com; PeteScherm@aol.com; pcasey@compuserve.com Cc: LMJack15@aol.com Subject: GALWAY RE: KEANESPOUND Padraig (the Paddy that was): This e-mail is a huge thank you from Linda (LMJack15@aol.com) by way of her cousin Cathy (ITTCAQ@aol.com) to all of those who sent different ways to try and find a spot in Gort, Galway, called Keanespound. There were a few wonderful suggestions that we are thankful for. And, believe it or not, we have located Keanspound. And, it was from Padraig's (the Paddy that was) brilliant suggestion to place a call to the Derrybrien Post Office. With OS Map in hand we called the Derrybrien post office, and spoke with a most helpful gentleman. Immediately upon asking if he had ever heard of Keanspound around the Derrybrien area he did not hesitate to say "sure". He proceeded to give us directions from the post office on R353, travel about two miles towards Kilbeacanty to the first intersection with a road going in either direction and take the left turn (Shankhill Road) and there you will find Keanspound. He said they still deliever mail there to two houses. He advised that the address of anyone who resided in Keanspound would be Derrywee West, Derrybrien, Galway. We asked him if he knew why the area was called Keanspound and he advised that there was a cattle pound there and the very surrounding area was called Kean's Pound. He assured us if we called at the post office on our next visit he'd show us where it was. He said that it was either in the Kilbeacanty Parish or Peterswell, he was not sure which one but it was not in the Derrybrien Parish. To your brilliant suggestion of calling the post office and to the gentleman, Mr. Walsh, in the post office (who funny enough in talking to him we leared we might be related), thank you, thank you, thank you. We're almost home! Regards, Cathy Q Linda J

Padraig at pcasey@compuserve.com writes: << time to order a copy of the 1830s ordnance survey map of the area >> I assume that the NAC can "splice" between the six-inch maps. Unfortunately, the townland of Derrywee West is split between the 6-inch maps, numbers 123 and 129. Good luck. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Glad to hear that your enquiries hit pay dirt, Kathy and Linda. And thanks to my cousins in Tubber and Pete Schermerhorn in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts and Mr Walsh at the Derrybrien post office for guiding the pick and shovel (to continue the pay-dirt metaphor). I guess the next step is to find out who is living in those two houses at Derrywee West, Derrybrien, Galway..........descendants of relatives of yours ? Ho, ho, the scent freshens........ Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: ITTCAQ@aol.com [mailto:ITTCAQ@aol.com] Sent: 19 October 2004 05:46 To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com; PeteScherm@aol.com; pcasey@compuserve.com Cc: LMJack15@aol.com Subject: GALWAY RE: KEANESPOUND Padraig (the Paddy that was): This e-mail is a huge thank you from Linda (LMJack15@aol.com) by way of her cousin Cathy (ITTCAQ@aol.com) to all of those who sent different ways to try and find a spot in Gort, Galway, called Keanespound. There were a few wonderful suggestions that we are thankful for. And, believe it or not, we have located Keanspound. And, it was from Padraig's (the Paddy that was) brilliant suggestion to place a call to the Derrybrien Post Office. With OS Map in hand we called the Derrybrien post office, and spoke with a most helpful gentleman. Immediately upon asking if he had ever heard of Keanspound around the Derrybrien area he did not hesitate to say "sure". He proceeded to give us directions from the post office on R353, travel about two miles towards Kilbeacanty to the first intersection with a road going in either direction and take the left turn (Shankhill Road) and there you will find Keanspound. He said they still deliever mail there to two houses. He advised that the address of anyone who resided in Keanspound would be c We asked him if he knew why the area was called Keanspound and he advised that there was a cattle pound there and the very surrounding area was called Kean's Pound. He assured us if we called at the post office on our next visit he'd show us where it was. He said that it was either in the Kilbeacanty Parish or Peterswell, he was not sure which one but it was not in the Derrybrien Parish. To your brilliant suggestion of calling the post office and to the gentleman, Mr. Walsh, in the post office (who funny enough in talking to him we leared we might be related), thank you, thank you, thank you. We're almost home! Regards, Cathy Q Linda J

Cathy Q/Linda J at ITTCAQ@aol.com write: << directions from the post office on R353, travel about two miles towards Kilbeacanty to the first intersection with a road going in either direction and take the left turn (Shankhill Road) and there you will find Keanspound. He said they still deliever mail there to two houses. >> CathyLinda, That's great news. If, by OS map, you mean the Discovery map....then you know about the houses along that road. There are a couple of buildings shown together on a driveway off of the "Shankhill" road just north of the side-road going southwestward into Derrykeel, but there are also scattered buildings along the road close to the Derrywee River and 2 or 3 building on a long driveway to the NW (and close to the Derrywee East border - maybe inside it). I'm quite sure I've been on that road (which continues south through Flagmount in Co. Clare), but it may have been back several years when I wasn't keeping the records which I do now. I would guess that the "two houses" referred to are one of those north of the Derrykeel road (the other building there is probably a garage or other outbuilding) and one of those down near the river - perhaps the black symbol just above the "99" on the map. Not that it really matters, but the reference to "Shankhill Road" has set me off again. I can't find any townland, village or hill anywhere along or near this road - in Galway or Clare - with a name like Shankhill. There are some Shankill townlands in north Galway, but nowhere near Gort. And none in Co. Clare. Sounds like a confusion with Belfast, to me. If anyone knows about this Shankhill, I'd like to know about it so that I can add it to my maps (as I've now done with Kean's Pound <gr>). Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Mt Mary is just SW of Creggs,near the Roscommon border. I can't look for Catherine's family if I don't have a surname. Wasn't it on Michael's birth/baptism certificate? Cathy

I am writing in hopes of gaining some assistance. The following obituary is my reason for joining this list: From the San Francisco Examiner, 09-09-1897 (San Francisco, California, USA) Katherine Hearst, died Sept. 8, 1897 age 75, mother of Michael J. Hearst, native of Mt. Mary, Galway, Ireland, burial at Holy Cross cemetery. I know nothing else about Katherine Hearst. She first came to New York beofre 1857 because Michael J. Hearst was born in New York. I know his father was also born in Ireland but I do not know if the couple met here or met and married in Ireland. Unfortunately I do not know her husbands first name or her maiden name. I am hoping with this little bit of information I can find someone that knows something of this family. Michael married in New York and he and his wife Catherine Fitch (both of her parents were from Ireland too, although I do not know where - yet) had their first child in New York in 1880 and then moved to San Francisco. One of their sons was my great grandfather. They had cousins that were Egan's but I do not know if they were Hearst or Fitch cousins but I believe they were Hearst Cousins. Any suggestions on tracking down this family? Katrina Sonoma, California

Regarding late registration of births, my late husband was born 1930 and registered 1990. Some countries, including Australia, accepted Baptismal certificates until modern times, and only reason my husband's birth was late-registered was because he needed to replace a lost passport - the Irish authorities wouldn't accept the Baptismal certificate!! I know of even younger people still not registered here in Ireland. Old people told me that in the '20s and '30s it cost one shilling and sixpence to register a birth, an expense that many families could not meet. They tended to leave registration until really essential, e.g. for events such as starting school, first communion, even marriage, and then there was a flurry to register. Elaine (in cold and wet Ireland) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josi" <geoghegangatherer@btinternet.com> To: <IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:05 AM Subject: [GALWAY] Indexes > > > Modern ones > If you are looking for a registered birth 'do' > check up to 10 years later. > A trawl of Irish Indexes for only ONE particular name found 28 > entries in 15 years spread.. > Registered 1927 b 1921 > " 1939 b 1922 > " 1927 b 1921 > and a problem for someone later on > Registered 1942 born 1926 > No doubt to do with pensions...however > It must be quite common as this was for a One NameStudy > > Josi > > > ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== > Join an Ireland list that discusses Irish genealogy, history, and culture. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRELAND.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Modern ones If you are looking for a registered birth 'do' check up to 10 years later. A trawl of Irish Indexes for only ONE particular name found 28 entries in 15 years spread.. Registered 1927 b 1921 " 1939 b 1922 " 1927 b 1921 and a problem for someone later on Registered 1942 born 1926 No doubt to do with pensions...however It must be quite common as this was for a One NameStudy Josi

RE: http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa/irishlinks.html Sorry that the new topics in carrots were somehow stripped from the previous message, New topics are DNA, Web Authoring Tools, and Writing Tools. Best regards, Jim McNamara Newsletter Editor - British Isles Family History Society - USA http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa/ Searching Families: McNamara-McGrath, Cleary-Conway Hanna(h)-Davis-Thompson-Cain-Waugh-Brady-McCormick-Hunter-Denk-Kachmar-Lostett er

Hi all, I have updated the BIFHS-USA site: < http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa/irishlinks.html > It now include all the below topics and have added intro sections here and there. The topics in < > carrots are new. The topics with hard brackets [ ] have been updated. Some URLs have been eliminated when I found them to be either non-functional, or too difficult to deal with the pop-up ads, slow speed, or the main focus of the site was other than gen related. Enjoy. Best regards, Jim McNamara Newsletter Editor - British Isles Family History Society - USA http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa/ Searching Families: McNamara-McGrath, Cleary-Conway Hanna(h)-Davis-Thompson-Cain-Waugh-Brady-McCormick-Hunter-Denk-Lostetter [Books, Bookstores, Book Reviews, etc.] [Cemetery Records] [Clan Sites] [Church Sites] [Commercial Sites] [County Sites] Culture [Directories and Indices] > [FHLC, FHCs] [Heritage Centres [Irish Family History Foundation]] History & Genealogies [Language] [Libraries, Universities, and Colleges] [Lists] Maps Museums [Music] Names [Newsletters] [Newspapers] Passenger Records [Phone Books] [Privately Owned & Operated, (non-commercial), Sites] [Radio Stations - Live on the Internet] [Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness] Repositories [Search Engines] [Societies] [Surname Specific Sites] Superstition Transportation Records Tourist, Travel, B & B > <Writing Tools>

My brickwall seems to be my ggggrandfather Richard FOY. He was born in Ireland approximately 1816 + -. I have no information other than he was living in Lancashire, England prior to 1837 when his first son James was born. Is there anyone who may be able to help in finding something about him. Would appreciate hearing from anyone. Regards. Margaret NJ USA tootsfoyward@yahoo.com

THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, Monday, July 12, 1824 MARRIED In Gort, Mr. Christopher Bernard, of Limerick, to Hela Lucinda, daughter of the late Cesar French, Esq. of Fairyhill, county Galway. PUBLIC MEETING To JAS. H. BURKE, Esq., Mayor. We the Undersigned, respectfully request you will convene a Meeting of the Inhabitants of the Town at as early a day as possible, to consider the expediency of forming an Association for the support of the Poor, and the suppression of Mendicity.-- Galway, July 19, 1824. James Daly, Warden; J.L. Reilly; J. Veitch, M.D.; Pat M. Burke; J.T. Molloy, P.P.; Anthony Lynch; N. Browne, High Sheriff; Coll Kelly; M.V. Browne; John D'Arcy; Michael Noone; J.H. Morgan; James Costello; Thomas French; James P. Morris; Charles Browne, Nicholas Browne, James Jones; Patt Stephens & Son; John Clayton; F. Fitzgerald; J. Ireland; James Fynn, E. French, R.C. Warden; L. Maclachlan; Edmund Eyre; John & James Burke; A.M'Dermott; Mark Finn, P.P.; Patt Joyes; Richard Joyes; Thomas Corr; Bernard Corr; John Burke; Mark Lynch; P.M. Lynch; Richard Martyn; John Moore; W. Taylor D'Arcy; Edward Burke; Thomas Langley; John Kelly; John Stephens. _____________ Pursuant to the above Requisition, I hereby appoint a Meeting of the Inhabitants of this Town to be held at the County Court House at the hour of two o'clock in the afternoon of FRIDAY, the 16th instant, to consider the expediency of forming a Mendicity Association. JAMES H. BURKE, Mayor. Galway, July 12, 1824. _________________ FASHIONABLE MUSIC Mr. and Miss Wallace Respectfully beg leave to inform the Ladies and Gentlemen of Galway and its vicinity, that they have come to reside permanently in the Town and purpose teaching the HARP, PIANO-FORTE, GUITAR, GRECIAN LYRE, DOUBLE FLAGEOLET, Singing and Nocompaniment, in the most approved style, and on very moderate terms. Mr. W. also teaches the FLUTE and CLARINET, and trusts his experience and attention will recommend him to the patronage of the public. Any commands addressed to him, opposite the New Chapel, Middle-street, will be thankfully received and attended to. N.B.- Mr. WALLACE can accommodate Pupils at his house with the use of any of the above instruments ---PIANO-FORTE tuned and repaired. July 12, 1824. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Janice at JANB111@aol.com writes: << Any lister know of the location of Bally McWard? >> Janice, The townland and village (replete with church, graveyard and post office) of Ballymacward is located six miles south of Mountbellew Bridge town, right on the R 359 regional road. Ballymacward is also a civil parish and part of the name of an RC parish (Ballymacward and Gurteen). The townland and village are more-or-less in the center of the parish(es). Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Any lister know of the location of Bally McWard? Janice

I have updated the Irish books section of my website with new books and lookup volunteers. Many on the list visited Ireland over the Summer and probably brought home a new book or two. If you are like me, you needed to buy a new bag to carry them all home :-) Maybe some new parish history books have been published that is not included in the Parish History books section. So, check out the books listed and if you find you have books that are not listed, you can use the convenient form on the bottom of each page to submit them. I will then include your book with my next update. Of course, you need not be a lookup volunteer, if you list a book. Thanks to all who have made this website so successful. You can find the links at the bottom of this page: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/books/ Also, if you find a book that you might like to buy, on this page are many bookstore links, many located in Ireland. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

Pete, As you point out, Derrybrien is only a short walk from Kilbeacanty so it could well be that Linda's Kanes Pound (or Keanespound, or Keane's Pound) is there. At this stage, if I were Linda (this posting is copied to her) I'd call the Derrybrien post office (091 631177, hours Mon to Fri 9am-1pm & 2pm-5.30pm. Sat 9am-1pm) and ask whether they or their mail delivery guy can give directions to KP. The phone call would have to be conducted with an OS map in front of her nose so that the directions can be translated into map references. Off you go, Linda ! Pádraig (the Paddy that was)

THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, Monday, July 5, 1824 STEAM COMMUNICATION WITH AMERICA We gave, in our last, an account of a very interesting Meeting at the Crown and Anchor Tavern on this matter, of which men of high rank and talent- namely, the Marquis of Landowne. Mr. Rice, and others, and Mr. Nimmio too, the Government Engineer, took a prominent part.- Of the practicability of the plan the public will judge, and it must derive high sanction from the above names; it must also be obvious that, if practicable, the importance of facilitating the communication with the New World must be of the greatest interest both to Government and the Commercial interests of Great Britain. But what we wish now more particularly to remark, is, that Galway, not Valentia, is unquestionably the Port most suitable on the Western Coast for such communication, should it take place. A noble Bay, without any bar to clog its entrance to the largest vessels-deep, extensive and well sheltered by the islands of Arran, secure of ingress and egress at all hours- a populous town and neighbourhood, with a Trade capable of great increase- the Harbour extending to the very bosom of the Atlantic, yet distant only, one hundred and four miles from Dublin, or less than a day's journey-with a Mail Coach Establishment, a Canal Coach too, and the Grand Canal extending within 30 miles of it, and likely to be continued to Galway-these are some of the advantages possessed by this place. As to Coals, it is will known they are at a cheaper rate then at almost any Port on the Western Coast, for this reason, that the exports of Corn so greatly exceed the imports, that Coals are necessarily brought in large quantities instead of ballast, to cheapen the outward freight of Corn. Hence, at a pound or a guinea a ton, or less, any quantity of Coal would be contracted for and supplied by the merchants here. Neither should we forget the opinion of the late RICHARD KIRWAN, that the County Clare is, in many places, a great land of Coal, and, in point of fact, at this moment a great deal of culm, which is believed usually to be contiguous to, or the superstratum of coal mines, is brought from Malbay to Galway, even in the rude manner of working it at present. In this age of mining, therefore, why should not this attract attention in case of such an arrangement, and be made, perhaps, to supply abundance of fine coals? Would it not, at least, be worth the trial? However, even without this, the advantages of Galway are so obvious beyond any other Port, that they must, even on the map, strike the Committee, and with such men as we have mentioned, fair play cannot be doubted. We are happy to learn the Chamber of Commerce are about to make an immediate and strong representation of this subject. Galway has already, a tried and eminent friend on the Committee in Mr. Spring Rice. We need not observe on the many advantages to this Town of making Galway the point of communication. It would make it a thoroughfare for business-create trade-give life, intelligence, activity, to all our resources- develope our natural advantages- and, aided by the other measures now happily in progress to restore their rights and the management of their own affairs to the people of Galway-would conspire to make the present auspicious time a new era, indeed, here. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Jack, Thank you so much for that information. I now can order the film. Eileen

Eileen <erstuart@comcast.net> << I would like to order a film from the Family History Library for the Tithe but I'm not sure what to look for. County Galway Barony Tiaquin Civil Parish Moylough PLU Mountbellew >> The Tithe Appotment listings are ordered by civil parish name on a set of 140 microfilms. Moylough should be on FHL 0256671 which has the parishes from Moylary to Myshall. To reach the listing of the set of films, anyone can search on the film number given here or do a place search on Ireland ==> Land and Property ==> Applotment books, abt. 1824-1840. Jack

Apologies- you did give a date! Still learning to read. Cathy