Hi, Does anyone know of a Madeline D'Arcy? Carol

I am also seeking Mitchell from Galway. I have John, John, Michael and Lawrence. They immigrated to the US sometime between 1849 and 1851. John, the elder, first wife died in 1851 and is buried in Kingston, NY. But it is the townland in Galway that I am looking for. Any clue would be wonderful. Judy Christopher ----- Original Message ----- From: "pslk" <pslk@rogers.com> To: <IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: [GALWAY] Searching for Mitchell and D'Arcy > > It's been a long while since I have posted so here goes. > > I am looking for the relatives of Allen and Jane (nee D'Arcy) Mitchell. > Allen was born in Monaghan County. They married in The Cathedral Church > of Saint Mary (Church of Ireland) in Tuam, 1860 and lived in the area until > at least 1863 when their second child was born. Sometime between January > 1863 and February 1865 the family moved to the Clifden area. Between Feb. > 1865 and Sept. 1867 the family lived at Daily Hill. Daily Hill is a house > on a hill just southwest of Ballyconneely. Allan and Jane had two children > in this house. The family moved again, this time they moved northeast, > somewhere in Derrigimlagh, which is an area of bog land along the coast > between Ballyconneely and Clifden. Between February 1870 and October 1875 > the couple had three more children. Children's birth records indicate Allen > 's mother was probably named Mary. Jane's mother was probably named Peggy. > Their marriage record indicates his fathers name was William. Jane's father > 's name was Michael. Both were farmers. The last child was born around late > 1878 or early 1879. The family, except the first son Tom, immigrated to > Canada around 1882 settling in Vivian Ontario. Tom went to Australia. The > children were, Tom, Mary, Allan, Sarah, Elizabeth, John, Richard and Lucy. > > Jane had a brother named John D'Arcy, born about 1856 and a sister named > Margaret. John was a Deacon and then a Priest in the Church of Ireland. He > became Rev. John. D'Arcy, Precentor of St. John's Cathedral, Belize, and > Principal of the Diocesan College for Boys before dying at his wife's parent > house in West Rainton , England. > > If any of these names ring bells or peak your curiosity I would love to hear > from you. > > Peter Mitchell > (Searching for Mitchell's & D'Arcy's around Clifden, Derrigimlagh, > Ballyconnelly or Tuam in Galway County or anyplace in Monaghan County) > > > > > > ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== > To unsub or change your Irl-Galway mailing mode: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-GALWAY.html > Jane Lyons' From Ireland County Galway site: http://www.from-ireland.net/contents/galwayconts.htm > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

It's been a long while since I have posted so here goes. I am looking for the relatives of Allen and Jane (nee D'Arcy) Mitchell. Allen was born in Monaghan County. They married in The Cathedral Church of Saint Mary (Church of Ireland) in Tuam, 1860 and lived in the area until at least 1863 when their second child was born. Sometime between January 1863 and February 1865 the family moved to the Clifden area. Between Feb. 1865 and Sept. 1867 the family lived at Daily Hill. Daily Hill is a house on a hill just southwest of Ballyconneely. Allan and Jane had two children in this house. The family moved again, this time they moved northeast, somewhere in Derrigimlagh, which is an area of bog land along the coast between Ballyconneely and Clifden. Between February 1870 and October 1875 the couple had three more children. Children's birth records indicate Allen 's mother was probably named Mary. Jane's mother was probably named Peggy. Their marriage record indicates his fathers name was William. Jane's father 's name was Michael. Both were farmers. The last child was born around late 1878 or early 1879. The family, except the first son Tom, immigrated to Canada around 1882 settling in Vivian Ontario. Tom went to Australia. The children were, Tom, Mary, Allan, Sarah, Elizabeth, John, Richard and Lucy. Jane had a brother named John D'Arcy, born about 1856 and a sister named Margaret. John was a Deacon and then a Priest in the Church of Ireland. He became Rev. John. D'Arcy, Precentor of St. John's Cathedral, Belize, and Principal of the Diocesan College for Boys before dying at his wife's parent house in West Rainton , England. If any of these names ring bells or peak your curiosity I would love to hear from you. Peter Mitchell (Searching for Mitchell's & D'Arcy's around Clifden, Derrigimlagh, Ballyconnelly or Tuam in Galway County or anyplace in Monaghan County)

Anita, Just go to Google and type in "Galway university". It's all there at the top of the list. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: IRL-GALWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:IRL-GALWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Macar1@aol.com Sent: 03 December 2004 00:56 To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GALWAY] Re: IRL-GALWAY-D Digest V04 #196 Does the Galway University have an e-mail address? And please tell me the name of the head of the department in charge of History of the city of Galway. I am looking for the history of Fort Eyre in Shantallow, and of the city jail. Anita Carroll ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== Join an Ireland list that discusses Irish genealogy, history, and culture. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRELAND.html ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Anita, URL: http://www.ucg.ie/ History Department : http://www.nuigalway.ie/history/ Staff: - here you need to look at their web pages to find an appropriate person to email: http://www.nuigalway.ie/history/staff.html and on this page,you will find email addresses for each person. Head of Department Web page: http://www.nuigalway.ie/history/ellis/index.html Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: <Macar1@aol.com> To: <IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:55 PM Subject: [GALWAY] Re: IRL-GALWAY-D Digest V04 #196 > Does the Galway University have an e-mail address? And please tell me the > name of the head of the department in charge of History of the city of > Galway. > I am looking for the history of Fort Eyre in Shantallow, and of the > city > jail. Anita Carroll

Does the Galway University have an e-mail address? And please tell me the name of the head of the department in charge of History of the city of Galway. I am looking for the history of Fort Eyre in Shantallow, and of the city jail. Anita Carroll

I received mail from this list today. Elaine (in Ireland) ----- Original Message ----- From: "conroy" <timlorr@ptd.net> To: <IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 4:00 AM Subject: [GALWAY] NO MAIL > NO MAIL, IS THIS DUE TO THANKSGIVING? > > > ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== > Galway, City of Tribes: http://www.irishholidays.com/ggtest.shtml > Ireland GenWeb Co. Galway site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlgal/Galway.html > To unsub or change your Irl-Galway mailing mode: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-GALWAY.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

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Hello fellow subscribers: I'm researching HODGSON in County Galway, Ireland. This family owned (and still owns) Currarevagh House located outside Oughterard. Please contact me if any of these names sound familiar. Thank you, Julie Descendants of Henry Hodgson ESQ. HENRY HODGSON was born in Currarevagh, Galway County, Ireland, and died May 31, 1903. He married MARY THEODOSIA OLIVER July 1, 1865 in Castlemacadam Church, daughter of JOHN OLIVER and MARY GREEN. She was born July 4, 1841 in Cherrymount, Ireland. Children of HENRY HODGSON and MARY OLIVER are: 2. i. HILDA MARY HODGSON, b. 1866; d. March 19, 1927. 3. ii. HENRY DUDLEY HODGSON, b. 1867; d. 1932. 4. iii. CHARLES MORTIMER HODGSON, b. 1869; d. 1952. iv. PERCY WILMOT HODGSON, b. 1871; d. 1872. 5. v. EDWARD MARSDEN HODGSON, b. 1873; d. 1947. 6. vi. ROBERT CECIL HODGSON, b. 1876; d. 1946. 2. HILDA MARY HODGSON was born 1866, and died March 19, 1927. She married SIR WALTER GEOFFREY SHAKERLEY January 7, 1885, son of SIR C. SHAKERLEY, BART., K.C.B.. He was born November 26, 1859, and died 1945. Children of HILDA HODGSON and WALTER SHAKERLEY are: i. MABEL BEATRICE SHAKERLEY, b. August 4, 1889; m. OSWALD JAMES WALTER NAPIER, December 16, 1913. ii. MARGUERITE IRENE SHAKERLEY, b. February 18, 1893; d. September 2, 1965; m. WALTER NIGEL USHER DUNLOP, January 3, 1923. iii. SYLVIA MARY SHAKERLEY, b. July 26, 1900; d. 1950; m. (1) SIR ARTHUR WYNNE MORGAN BRYANT, July 16, 1924; m. (2) FRANK DEREK CHEW, January 17, 1942. iv. MOIRA VERONICA SHAKERLEY, b. September 12, 1901. 3. HENRY DUDLEY HODGSON was born 1867, and died 1932. He married ANNE ROSE MACDONALD 1887. Child of HENRY HODGSON and ANNE MACDONALD is: i. HENRY HODGSON. 4. CHARLES MORTIMER HODGSON was born 1869, and died 1952. He married GERTRUDE ADA WEST 1897. Children of CHARLES HODGSON and GERTRUDE WEST are: i. DOROTHY HODGSON, m. SIR JAMES HEATH. ii. RONNIE HODGSON, m. JOYCE PICKLES. iii. TERRY HODGSON. 5. EDWARD MARSDEN HODGSON was born 1873, and died 1947. He married (1) MARY BEATRICE LUCY OLIVER, daughter of JOHN OLIVER and MARY HINDS. She was born April 3, 1883 in Kingston, Ontario, Canada. He married (2) MARY WILSON December 31, 1898. Children of EDWARD HODGSON and MARY WILSON are: i. AINEEN HODGSON, m. HENRY BALL. ii. DOREEN HODGSON. iii. DUDLEY HODGSON. 6. ROBERT CECIL HODGSON was born 1876, and died 1946. He married (1) SIDNEY KINGS. He married (2) GLADYS GWEND. She was born 1891, and died 1959. Children of ROBERT HODGSON and GLADYS GWEND are: i. ROSAMUND ISLA HODGSON, b. 1916. ii. HELEN HODGSON, b. 1913.

Due to my own carelessness - I have lost many of my email folders. I accidently shut down my computer whilst my mail programme was 'compacting' folders, with the result that anything that hadn't been compacted was 'zapped'! Since I damaged the tendon in my hand, I have not been backing up on my computer as well as I should do, or printing - probably the last five or six weeks. I do not keep an address book. If there is any person on this list who has sent me a querey re any email I sent the list, a personal email, a research query - to which I have not replied, then I would appreciate it if you could forward that email to me or repeat it. I apologise for any inconvenience - there was a lot of mail that came in when I got back from my trip and which I hadn't read before I goofed. At this stage, I have tried everything I can, or that others have advised me do to retrieve my lost mail. The files are still there, still show that they have something or lots in them, but no mail retrieval programme seems to be able to read whatever is there. So.............. to ask you to send me whatever it is I owe you a reply to seems to be my only option. Please and thanks. I'm thinking that this must be a *very small* something like how it felt for the National Archives - then the PRO - back in 1922 when they were trying to retrieve some of what they had lost in the civil war. Don't suppose anyone knows of a nice, simple, easy to use email back up programme short of printing out or saving individual mails? Something that works automatically in the background.............. Wouldn't that be nice. Doubt there is such - but, I just had to include it. Jane List Admin

Figuratively speaking of course.............. but as regards being moved from one administrative division/district to another on paper...........literally - from one county to another. So, a person who does not live in Ireland decides to research their Irish ancestry and they come up against our various remaining archival resources with their land divisions. Things for you to realise/remember. 1. Townlands in various civil parishes did not necessarily belong to a religious parish of the same name. 2. Townlands in one religious parish within a particular diocese were sometimes moved to another religious parish (albeit lying beside the one they used to belong to, and in the same diocese) by the Bishop of that Diocese - this applies to both Church of Ireland and Roman Catholic Dioceses. In other words, your ancestors may have belonged to one religious parish today and their records may be in the books of that parish (if they exist) and they may have belonged to another tomorrow and later records may be found in a different set of parish records. 3. There is more than one townland index.................VERY IMPORTANT - and spellings from one to the other may change. The main townland index used by genealogical researchers and available on the internet is the IRL-ATLAS hosted on the Leitrim Roscommon web site. Two points to remember in relation to this A. the townlands listed are those which existed at the time of the 1841 census. Townlands changed names, new townlands were created between then and the following census. Just because you can't find the townland that you are looking for listed in the Irl-Atlas it does not mean that it did not exist ever. Also, it may simply mean that the spelling as you haveit is not as itis in the Index. B. There are mistakes in this atlas - I've found townlands listed as being in the wrong county when I compare it to the original hard copies as shown in the book that this on-line index was created from. Other townland indices such as Townlands in Poor Law Unions based on the townland lists as published by the General Registrar's Office 1885-1889 show townlands that are not listed in the 1851 publication (Sean Ruad Irl-Atlas website). 4. Spellings in a locality may and do differ (even today) from official spellings as per the Ordnance Survey maps/Townland indices as listed above. Local people will spell a place name as it is spelled locally, regardless of 'official' spellings and this happens on documents such as birth records. Moving townlands - well - you all have some understanding of Administrative dvisions in your own countries. Ours (those in Ireland) can be important to you as researchers. For example, take county Sligo in 1885 a number of townlands listed as being in county Sligo in the 'Townlands in Poor Law Unions' belonged to county Mayo in 1901. All the townlands that I know of belonged to the Ballina Poor Law Union or Civil Registration District in 1885 and still did in 1901 - but were listed as being in Co. Sligo in 1885 and Co. Mayo in 1901 (1901 census) What does this mean for any person whose ancestors came from any of the townlands that 'moved'? Well, first of all, they would know that their ancestors came from county Sligo...........so, they'd take a look at the Tithe Applotment Books for Sligo, they'd look at the Griffiths for Sligo..........and then, they'd look for the civil registrations for Sligo - they may or may not realise that the district they should be looking for is Ballina - which everybody would automatically associate with County Mayo......... and maybe, even if they did realise that the registration would have been in the Ballina district - then maybe they'd get copies of the records for that district and find their ancestors. The record they'd get may not say Co. Mayo - it would probably say Counties Mayo & Sligo, so, they'd still be looking in Sligo for their ancestors............ On to the next resource.............the 1901 census townland index - and they'd find the townland name that they were looking for but listed as part of county Mayo..........and they'd perhaps think, can'tbe my townland, has to be another of the same name. We do have so many townlands of the same name here in Ireland and in the same county even. Anyway - they may or may not decide to check out that Mayo townland - whilst............all the time, it's really the townland they are looking for, except it was moved from one county to the other for whatever administrative reason. So - if the townland you are interested in is close to the county border *NEVER* exclude any townland of that name that you find in later archival resources for the county next door. Administrative divisions are not necessarily fixed in one county. The Poor Law Union or Civil Registration District most often takes in townlands in a county next door. It was only about 10 miles in circumference - and our counties are very small........some of them 15 miles broad/wide at their widest point. Recently I was in the NA and there were some older people sitting beside me who live in Carlow...........or so they think/thought...........'Graigue' is the name of the place - so, they were looking in the County Carlow Griffiths and I didn't mean to be listening to their conversation, but there were three of them in it! So I told them maybe they didn't live in Co. Carlow and to look in the Laois/Queen's County Griffiths, that Graigue is actually in Laois.............a few streets/part of it in Carlow - it's a suburb to Carlow town. After they found what they wanted we got to talking about Graigue - if you live on one street and need an ambulance, then it's a Portlaoise ambulance goes out............another street and it's a Carlow ambulance - and then we laughed as to who they should be supporting in county matches All these little things were designed to totally confuse genealogists :-) but don't worry about it all - just remember moving townlands when you can't find where you want where it should be - expecially if you've already found it in another resource. Jane http://www.from-ireland.net

Hi Jane, I already came upon this for another reason. From the October 1994 issue of Septs, the cover story, is where this excerpt has been taken: "In vol. 15, no. 3 of 'The Septs' we listed the townlands transferred from County Galway, Leitrim Barony, Clonrush and Inishcaltra Civil Parishes according to the research published by Patrick E. Dempsey. The enactment of the Local Government 1898 Act, Ireland made changes in the boundaries of County Clare. You will note the parishes (No. 8 & No. 20) shown on page 29 of 'A New Genealogical Atlas' by Brian Mitchell." My CLEARYs lived in Cloontyconnaught townland in Galway, and this was part of Inishcaltra Civil Parish. And even though the change took place in 1898, the 1901 census still reported this as Galway County, in 1911 census, it was properly reported as County Clare. So the 1901 census had all my CLEARYs reporting their place of birth as Galway County, and the 1911 census had them reporting their POB as Clare County. I would bet there were other reasons for boundary shifts in other areas of Ireland. BTW, the locals do not call their townland Cloontyconnaught, and probably never have. They currently call the place Clounty, previously called it Cloutha, Clonty, and am probably forgetting a few. My cousins farm was on the edge of the border, which shifted from one side of the farmhouse to the other. Best regards, Jim --- "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie> wrote: > Figuratively speaking of course.............. > > but as regards being moved from one administrative division/district to > another on paper...........literally - from one county to another. ===== Jim McNamara Searching: McNAMARA-McGRATH, CLEARY-CONWAY, HANNA(H)-BRADY-McCORMICK-THOMPSON-CAIN-WAUGH-DAVIS-HUNTER __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

The Times London, Middlesex, England Feb 9, 1820 STATE OF IRELAND DISTURBANCES IN THE COUNTY OF GALWAY We (Freeman's Journal) have been furnished with the following very interesting account of the state of this country, by a correspondent, upon whose veracity and information we can implicitly rely: - " The Ribandmen [ Ribbonmen] here are becoming more active and numerous every day. What their object exactly is we have not been able to learn, nor do we believe that it is known to the generality of themselves. We rather apprehend that it is confided but to a few of their leaders. They go about in considerable bodies. When they come to a house, the person acting as leader or captain knocks at the door, and calls out in English and with an English, or as some say, a northern accent, 'Come forth man of the house;' upon which the owner of the house and every other male inhabitant, is immediately obliged to present himself at the door. If there by an delay or the least resistance, they instantly proceed to enforce their commands, by breaking the door. They first oblige him to swear he does not know any of those persons by whom he is surrounded; this he may, in most instances safely do; for he only sees the few immediately near him, who are usually strangers, those persons whom he might probably recognize being kept in the rear. He is next obliged to swear he will not prosecute; and, lastly, that he will go to Ballinafad upon such night as shall be appointed for the purpose; and he is severely threatened, should he fail in obeying this mandate. So far they do no mischief, provided no resistance be offered; and none of those who are so sworn hesitate in disclosing what has occurred, or in describing the nature of their oaths. But from the moment they have been at Ballinafad, (which does not mean any particular place, but merely signifies the field or hill, or other spot, appointed as their rendezvous for that night,) they are no longer communicative. It is supposed they take other oaths there, but of what nature has not transpired. We understand each man is obliged to pay ten-pence into the public fund, and those who are sworn there upon one night, become thenceforward instruments themselves, and shortly afterwards proceed to swear the inhabitants of other districts. "The unfortunate peasants manifested the greatest abhorrence on being sworn by those misguided creatures, and they have recourse to every stratagem they can devise to avoid it. Numbers sleep out behind hedges, or remain in bogs all night in the hope of escaping the fatal oaths. But when once they are sworn, such is the reverence with which a Connaught peasant regards an oath, and such his scrupulous adherence to it, that he dares not violate it, even when he is told that such at. oath, from its nature and the circumstances under which it has been imposed, it not obligatory upon him; and, indeed, even though this were not the case, any violation of it, in the present instance, would be attended with, perhaps, the most fatal consequences. Under such circumstances we cannot help thinking the most immediate and active measures should be adopted in detecting those ringleaders who are so industriously, so daringly, and so systematically disseminating pernicious principles amongst an artless, peaceable, and inoffensive peasantry." Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Hello. I am still trying to find information on my Langley family from Loughrea and Gort . William Langley married Mary Tannian/tannyan in the early 1840s. They owed a Boot and Shoe warehouse in Loughrea. Children of william and Mary were Joseph Patrick, born1843, Joseph, born 1845, Michael, born 1847,James, born 1850, William, born 1851, and Dominic. James married Elizabert Fahy in 1887 in Loughrea and Joseph married Mary McNamara in 1875. three of James and Elizaberts children came to New York, James in 1909, age 16, and Catherine ( Kathleen ) around 1923, and Mary in 1913, they may of been living with relatives in New York named Rose Shiel, (sp ) Any information will be appreciated.James and Joseph Langley were still running the Boot and shoe warehouse into the early 1900s, maybe with other Langleys. Thank you Best wishes. Bob.

what a meaty posting pete with all those name place resources. it was so interesting that i lost sense of time and missed breakfast which is why i am now rushing down the freeway with a danish between my teeth and a coffee in one hand and a cellphone clamped between head and shoulder and pecking at this email and programming the gps with the other hand and having to watch out for silly drivers like the one that just swerved in front of me obviously wasnt paying attention its amazing how careless some drivers can be they ought to do something about it anyway that bunch of resources you sent is going to go right into my favourites in the placenames folder many thanks for this super set of leads the church ruin in the clare townland of shanballysallagh is called templenadeirca - the church of charity or alms. killtacky mor and beg are a few miles nnw of shanballysallagh. must stop now as im turning off the freeway padraig the paddy that was -----Original Message----- From: IRL-GALWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:IRL-GALWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PeteScherm@aol.com Sent: 23 November 2004 02:04 To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GALWAY] Re: Castlecomer and Camel Park Pádraig at pcasey@compuserve.com writes: > I've been trying to find the origin of the place name Camel Park in the townland of Shanballysallagh in the parish of Kilkeedy in Co.Clare. <snip> If any other listers have an explanation for the name "Camel Park" given to a tiny rural settlement in the West of Ireland I'd be pleased to hear it. < Pádraig, I would guess that a circus - with a bunch of ruminants - stopped there some time in the past <gr>. But seriously, folks....... I don't have a clue. I looked through O'Donovan's Clare OS Letters (I'm sure you did that, too), and didn't find anything applicable (BTW, is the church ruin in the townland the one O'Donovan calls Kill-Taice? I've been to most of the ruins in the parish, but not that one.) There are a few websites I use for Irish placenames, as well as a mailing list. The placename mailing list is one of a collection of Irish-related Yahoo lists, which can be found at: >> http://www.maqqi.supanet.com/index.htm <<. For websites, I use the NI Placenames (not exclusively for NI, however) site at: >> http://www.n-ireland.co.uk/genealogy/placenames/index.htm << (When I get desperate, I contact one of the Placenames Project's personnel directly). Another useful URL is Hogan's Onomasticon, at UCC's Celt project: >> http://minerva.ucc.ie:6336/dynaweb/locus/dictionary/@Generic__BookView << (I have inquired "what happened to the letter 'M' ", but no response yet. I think it disappeared recently.) There is a Placenames Forum - "sort of" associated with the NI Placenames Project: This is the URL I have bookmarked for my use, but you'd probably have to go to one of the registration links to submit a query. Anyway, here goes the entire URL: >> http://www.n-ireland.co.uk/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&fo rum=Irish+Placenames&number=10&DaysPrune=1000&LastLogin= << It's possible that there are cookies involved, and you might have to prune some of the end portions of the URL to make it work. Here are two websites (different computers, same no-longer-existent database) which were wonderful, while they lasted. Joe Desbonnet (I think that is his surname) at Galway.net had a program which searched many non-townland sites within individual counties, such as bridges, rivers, etc. in addition to many townlands. But several months ago, it disappeared. I've tried to find out what happened, but no responses from Galway.net. In the hope that they may returen, here are the two URLs: >> http://test.galway.net:8080/gcs/GCS?h=gis.listplaces&c=10 << or >> http://www.galway.net/gcs/GCS?h=gis.listplaces&c=10 << (Write to Joe@galway.net and ask him what happened to the placenames database <gr>). I've had occasional success with the following URL (but a bit slow to use, for me): >> http://www.calle.com/world/EI/ << I have lots more bookmarked, of varying quality and detail (most are too short and too general): >> http://indigo.ie/~rcd/ << >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/glossary.htm << >> http://www.loughman.dna.ie/general/placenames.html << >> http://www.ceantar.org/Dicts/MB2/index.html << >> http://www.ulsterplacenames.org/ << >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/resgeoterm.html << >> http://www.geographyinaction.co.uk/Townlands/pnamesmeaning.html << >> http://www.traveljournals.net/explore/ireland/locations/m/20.html << >> http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabulary/tgn/index.html << I think most of this latter bunch work, but I haven't tested them all in some time. 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Are there places to search death/mortality indices in Ireland? I am specifically interested in deaths from epidemics. thanks. Patricia

Pádraig at pcasey@compuserve.com writes: > I've been trying to find the origin of the place name Camel Park in the townland of Shanballysallagh in the parish of Kilkeedy in Co.Clare. <snip> If any other listers have an explanation for the name "Camel Park" given to a tiny rural settlement in the West of Ireland I'd be pleased to hear it. < Pádraig, I would guess that a circus - with a bunch of ruminants - stopped there some time in the past <gr>. But seriously, folks....... I don't have a clue. I looked through O'Donovan's Clare OS Letters (I'm sure you did that, too), and didn't find anything applicable (BTW, is the church ruin in the townland the one O'Donovan calls Kill-Taice? I've been to most of the ruins in the parish, but not that one.) There are a few websites I use for Irish placenames, as well as a mailing list. The placename mailing list is one of a collection of Irish-related Yahoo lists, which can be found at: >> http://www.maqqi.supanet.com/index.htm <<. For websites, I use the NI Placenames (not exclusively for NI, however) site at: >> http://www.n-ireland.co.uk/genealogy/placenames/index.htm << (When I get desperate, I contact one of the Placenames Project's personnel directly). Another useful URL is Hogan's Onomasticon, at UCC's Celt project: >> http://minerva.ucc.ie:6336/dynaweb/locus/dictionary/@Generic__BookView << (I have inquired "what happened to the letter 'M' ", but no response yet. I think it disappeared recently.) There is a Placenames Forum - "sort of" associated with the NI Placenames Project: This is the URL I have bookmarked for my use, but you'd probably have to go to one of the registration links to submit a query. Anyway, here goes the entire URL: >> http://www.n-ireland.co.uk/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Irish+Placenames&number=10&DaysPrune=1000&LastLogin= << It's possible that there are cookies involved, and you might have to prune some of the end portions of the URL to make it work. Here are two websites (different computers, same no-longer-existent database) which were wonderful, while they lasted. Joe Desbonnet (I think that is his surname) at Galway.net had a program which searched many non-townland sites within individual counties, such as bridges, rivers, etc. in addition to many townlands. But several months ago, it disappeared. I've tried to find out what happened, but no responses from Galway.net. In the hope that they may returen, here are the two URLs: >> http://test.galway.net:8080/gcs/GCS?h=gis.listplaces&c=10 << or >> http://www.galway.net/gcs/GCS?h=gis.listplaces&c=10 << (Write to Joe@galway.net and ask him what happened to the placenames database <gr>). I've had occasional success with the following URL (but a bit slow to use, for me): >> http://www.calle.com/world/EI/ << I have lots more bookmarked, of varying quality and detail (most are too short and too general): >> http://indigo.ie/~rcd/ << >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip2/glossary.htm << >> http://www.loughman.dna.ie/general/placenames.html << >> http://www.ceantar.org/Dicts/MB2/index.html << >> http://www.ulsterplacenames.org/ << >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlker/resgeoterm.html << >> http://www.geographyinaction.co.uk/Townlands/pnamesmeaning.html << >> http://www.traveljournals.net/explore/ireland/locations/m/20.html << >> http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabulary/tgn/index.html << I think most of this latter bunch work, but I haven't tested them all in some time. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Your reference to the word 'Comer' interested me particularly, Pete, because for some time I've been trying to find the origin of the place name Camel Park in the townland of Shanballysallagh in the parish of Kilkeedy in Co.Clare. An elderly relative who was born and raised there and has, in recent years, proved to have an extremely good memory told me that her father told her that the little settlement they lived in used to be called Camel Park. I first thought she meant Carmel Park but she assured me that the name was 'Camel'. None of the other elderly local residents I exhaustively questioned was aware of this old name but because everything this relative has told me in the past has subsequently checked out with BMD records or gravestone inscriptions or other archive sources I'm persisting in my search for its origins. Searches at the Clare Library and the Local Studies Centre in Ennis failed to unearth the name. I started looking for Irish words which might sound like 'Camel' and came up with the following candidates: 1. Camas, Camus; anything that winds, a winding stream: from cam, crooked. (see http://indigo.ie/~rcd/placesc.htm) This could fit the settlement in Shanballysallagh because it is on the banks of a winding stream which forks there and forms an island. 2. The word 'cumar' means a confluence of rivers and retains other older connotations of an assembly or meeting place, and a place of celebration.(see http://www.worldzone.net/music/rudall/cumar.html) 3. Camal was a Celtic name ".....The gate keeper was Camal mac Riagail,(recall that this means "Sober, son of Rule")......." at http://www.summerlands.com/_members/blfsnhdtcqmgngstraoueieaoiuiioae/mem bers/uploads/Cltw42.txt 4. Maury, in his «Croyances et Légends», speaks of the existence of a “keltic god” ‘Camul’ or ‘Camal’, (http://www.skadi.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3651) 5. Cumhal was the name of a warrior. The legendary Fianna of Ireland were a band of mighty noble warriors. Entrance was governed by strict tests and codes of honour. Yet the Fianna also had to be knowledgeable of culture, and more specifically they had to be poets. Their leader, Fionn mac Cumhal, got his poetical and Bardic training from an old Bard Finnegas on the banks of the river Boyne (note he was close to water, the element which rules the intuition and emotions).(see http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/1614/Celtwicc/Celts/celts02.htm) 6. A portion of land called the Cumhal Senorba was devoted to the support of widows, orphans and old childless people. (see Brehon laws at http://93.1911encyclopedia.org/B/BR/BREHON_LAWS.htm) Anyway, there it is for what it's worth. If any other listers have an explanation for the name "Camel Park" given to a tiny rural settlement in the West of Ireland I'd be pleased to hear it. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: IRL-GALWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:IRL-GALWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PeteScherm@aol.com Sent: 22 November 2004 17:50 To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GALWAY] Re: Castlecomer Pat at patvon@gtw.net writes: << Since I am researching the Comer family, I am curious about any connection to the name Castlecomer, which I have run across several times but know nothing about. >> Pat, I assume you're referring to the town of Castlecomer in Co. Kilkenny. Unfortunately, I don't think you'll get much help there. Without going into the extensive detail which John O'Donovan gives in his Ordnance Survey letter of August 1839, the end result is that the Comer referred to in the town name comes from Cumar/Chumair which means "a meeting of the streams". In fact, the name may come from "between the meetings of the streams, as the town is located between two such confluences. But, in any case, the Comer doesn't come from the surname (although some residents may have taken their surname from the town/townland/parish of Castlecomer <gr>). Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== To unsub or change your Irl-Galway mailing mode: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-GALWAY.html Join a new list related to the history, culture and geneology of the Irish in NY mailto:NY-IRISH-L-request@Rootsweb.com?body=subscribe ============================== OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx

Pat at patvon@gtw.net writes: << Since I am researching the Comer family, I am curious about any connection to the name Castlecomer, which I have run across several times but know nothing about. >> Pat, I assume you're referring to the town of Castlecomer in Co. Kilkenny. Unfortunately, I don't think you'll get much help there. Without going into the extensive detail which John O'Donovan gives in his Ordnance Survey letter of August 1839, the end result is that the Comer referred to in the town name comes from Cumar/Chumair which means "a meeting of the streams". In fact, the name may come from "between the meetings of the streams, as the town is located between two such confluences. But, in any case, the Comer doesn't come from the surname (although some residents may have taken their surname from the town/townland/parish of Castlecomer <gr>). Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Do you find Patrick and Anna (Deely) Moylan? They had 10 children. Thanks, Cathy. Charlotte