I just received the British Isles vital records index from the LDS - will do look ups. Joan Sharkey

Hi, New here, and gone overseas (virtually) for the first time in my genealogical quest! I'm looking for a Jesse Knight that emigrated to America (or perhaps his parents) prior to 1775, most likely in the 1750's. I have a hunch that this Knight line was Irish rather than English. Any leads on Knight emigrees during that period will be a great help. Thanks so much! Tracey Miller Karcher Boone, NC Researching: MILLER/GOODBREAD/KNIGHT/ALLEN/MOTT/KERR/ELLIOTT/ DRAWDY/FRANKLIN/STAFFORD/MIMS/HIGGINS/LAMB In the SE United States.

Still looking for Michael Geoghegan born 1806 in Ireland Father Thomas a weaver.. I guess Id have more chance to win the lottery.....? josi. -------------------------------- See my "Warts And All Geoghegans" at: www.btinternet.com/~finty/ ---------------------------------

Hello all, Knowing David has interests in Connemara I wonder if he is looking for Ross off Lettercallow on the Island of Lettermore. It was described as an Island to me but looking on a map it appears to be connected to the mainland near Lettercallow school. I don't know if access was tidal or if anyone lives there now. It is pronounced Russ in Gaelic as in Russell Rgds to all PeteScherm@aol.com wrote: Pádraig at pcasey@compuserve.com writes: << Since "ros" means "headland" in Irish, and since Ireland is an island, I guess there must be heck of a lot of Rosses there, heh heh. >> Pádraig, That's partially true, and that was when I was happiest - finding a Ross townland on the coast. But many are inland, such as the Ross SE of Loughrea. In this case, an alternative definition of "wooded" takes-over. This Ross is on the eastern slopes of the Slieve Aughty mountains and in a heavily-wooded area. Of course, when you have a wooded headland, you have "the best of both words" . Pete ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== Galway, City of Tribes: http://www.irishholidays.com/ggtest.shtml Ireland GenWeb Co. Galway site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlgal/Galway.html To unsub or change your Irl-Galway mailing mode: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-GALWAY.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger

Hi everyone, can someone tell how to go about using the 1911 census for Galway. Thank you Pat

The Kilmartins who are on my tree come from the Aran Isles in Galway Bay. It is not a particularly common name. My grandmother was Ellen Nora Kilmartin, born 1885, in Kilronan, Inishmor, Galway. Her parents were Bryan Kilmartin & Winifred O'Donnell and there was alarge family. Any connection? Barbara Heaton Seattle, WA.

These days, we all tell our children not to speak to strangers. A couple of years ago, I was at a concert....sitting beside another single lady - she invited me for a drink afterwards (with her partner who was not at the concert) - when the pub shut, I invited the two of them back to my house. My kids - they thought I'd lost it.........................so to speak. Next morning - each made some announcement re how the computer and telly were still there - I asked how they had become so negative - and the reply I got was 'Mum, who taught us never to talk to strangers - and what did you do - brought them home' The internet is different though.................we can't see people - their expressions - things can be said that are mis-understood/represented/interpreted. The internet/meeting people/personal security...................it's such a mix - we see so much every day that tells us to be so careful. How would you feel/deal with someone who was so nice that they could give you a number to call which wouldn't cost you anything - someome who would copy things and send them to you free of charge - would you wonder a bit - would you be downright suspicious - would you be scared. The thing is....................there really and trully are some nice people left in the world - some with no other motives. Should we all be running scared from everything that happens us. Back when I was in college, my father, he caught a run of mackeral down in Glengariff................arrived up in Cork with all these fish in a trailer........gave them to my sister and myself - easy offloading for him :-). Anyway, that was over 20 years ago, I gutted all the fish - a bathful - and my sister and myself went out knocking on doors to give them away. It was no easy matter..............I remember being so shocked and amazed that people wouldn't answer their doors after 7pm........those that did - they wanted to know how much money we wanted - couldn't beleive that we just wanted to give them away. Personally - I've not had a bad experience re the net..............I've chatted to people by email...........and then when I've met them, it's been as if I knew them before - well, pretty much - but nothing bad. This is not genealogy per se - but it is distantly related to genealogy - for those who meet others through genealogy lists What are your experiences? - Anyone want to speak of them? Do you think that there are still nice people in the world who will do something for nothing? (besides Padraig that was :-)) - Just have to stick that one in!!!! Please and thanks Jane

I have read some of these responses and had to reply. I too have experienced kindness from people I have met over the internet and then in person. I had corresponded with several individuals over the net and then on trips to Ireland had a chance to grab a cup of coffee or a drink at a local pub with them. Wonderful experience. A great example is a young organization formed here in Troy, NY in September 2003. On a roots web list, Irish in NY, a list member posted that she would be in Troy and would anyone like to get together for dinner. She had done this for several years in a row and got to know some Trojans (as people in Troy are known). Well in September 2003 ten members of the list got together for dinner. We immediately bonded in friendship and common interest, Irish Genealogy, and in particular Troy NY ancestors. That evening we decided to form a group now known as The Troy Irish Genealogy Society (TIGS), the result of our friendship and work can be seen at www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs. We were for the most part strangers who met on the internet and now continue to meet.....with even more members now. Kristin Cooney-Ayotte

Jane, I had an experience meeting someone who had helped me on the Cook County/Chicago List. She lives near Chicago and visited the cemetery where my grandfather is buried and sent me information and pictures. We corresponded back and forth. Then last summer, when I had a chance to spend a day in Chicago, she met me and drove me to the Church where my g.parents were married in 1893. We drove by the old house where my mother was born. She's a nurse and was able to take a long lunch hour...even gave me a tour of the city. Some of my relatives thought I was balmy to meet up with a person that I didn't really know. But I felt that I did know her, just through the Lists. I find that people who are interested in genealogy are just kind by nature and want to help others when possible. Terry in Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Jane Lyons<mailto:sniliaghin@iol.ie> To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 7:49 PM Subject: [GALWAY] Internet security - personal - not computer What are your experiences? - Anyone want to speak of them? Do you think that there are still nice people in the world who will do something for nothing? Jane

Jane, You really should be more careful... :-) The hand of friendship can be disquised, and I have met in-person only a handful of people from the Internet, all were with no problems. Some I have met on-line only - a few were wolves in sheeps clothings, whose sole purpose was to toy with you, embarrass and humiliate you. Remember when you talk to someone on line, you cannot even tell if you are speaking with a M/F, old or young person. [In America very bad things have happened to some children that have been taken advantage of by adults they met on-line.] But, every person I have met through a gen forum or gen list has been great, and would not hesitate to do that again. The first person I met was this little red haired girl... (starting to sound a bit like Charlie Brown), that had the nerve to meet a Yank from halfway around the world. We had been friends only a short time before we met, and ever since. So will just say, in these times I can only recommend you trust your instincts, and trust your fellow gen associates. Best regards, Jim McNamara <SNIPPED> --- "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie> wrote: > These days, we all tell our children not to speak to strangers. > > A couple of years ago, I was at a concert....sitting beside another single > lady - she invited me for a drink afterwards (with her partner who was not > at the concert) - when the pub shut, I invited the two of them back to my > house. > > My kids - they thought I'd lost it.........................so to speak. ===== Jim McNamara Searching: McNAMARA-McGRATH, CLEARY-CONWAY, HANNA(H)-BRADY-McCORMICK-THOMPSON-CAIN-WAUGH-DAVIS-HUNTER __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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From the Pacific Northwest of the United States: We still endeavor to practice Random Acts of Kindness. I have given and I have received. That said, I would not invite a person I just met that day back to my home. No way, Jose! When I get one of those letters that says my bank needs to verify my account information and to please e-mail them back, I report it to the Federal Trade Commission www.spam@uce.gov . There is a difference between gullible and trusting. Practice that. Judy Dear -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Jane Lyons [mailto:sniliaghin@iol.ie] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:49 PM To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GALWAY] Internet security - personal - not computer These days, we all tell our children not to speak to strangers. A couple of years ago, I was at a concert....sitting beside another single lady - she invited me for a drink afterwards (with her partner who was not at the concert) - when the pub shut, I invited the two of them back to my house. My kids - they thought I'd lost it.........................so to speak. Next morning - each made some announcement re how the computer and telly were still there - I asked how they had become so negative - and the reply I got was 'Mum, who taught us never to talk to strangers - and what did you do - brought them home' The internet is different though.................we can't see people - their expressions - things can be said that are mis-understood/represented/interpreted. The internet/meeting people/personal security...................it's such a mix - we see so much every day that tells us to be so careful. How would you feel/deal with someone who was so nice that they could give you a number to call which wouldn't cost you anything - someome who would copy things and send them to you free of charge - would you wonder a bit - would you be downright suspicious - would you be scared. The thing is....................there really and trully are some nice people left in the world - some with no other motives. Should we all be running scared from everything that happens us. Back when I was in college, my father, he caught a run of mackeral down in Glengariff................arrived up in Cork with all these fish in a trailer........gave them to my sister and myself - easy offloading for him :-). Anyway, that was over 20 years ago, I gutted all the fish - a bathful - and my sister and myself went out knocking on doors to give them away. It was no easy matter..............I remember being so shocked and amazed that people wouldn't answer their doors after 7pm........those that did - they wanted to know how much money we wanted - couldn't beleive that we just wanted to give them away. Personally - I've not had a bad experience re the net..............I've chatted to people by email...........and then when I've met them, it's been as if I knew them before - well, pretty much - but nothing bad. This is not genealogy per se - but it is distantly related to genealogy - for those who meet others through genealogy lists What are your experiences? - Anyone want to speak of them? Do you think that there are still nice people in the world who will do something for nothing? (besides Padraig that was :-)) - Just have to stick that one in!!!! Please and thanks Jane ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== Have you traveled or are you planning to travel to Ireland??? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Eire_Travel/ To unsub or change your Irl-Galway mailing mode: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-GALWAY.html ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

-----Original Message----- From: Dr. Jane Lyons [mailto:sniliaghin@iol.ie] Jane, <Do you think that there are still nice people in the world who will do something for nothing?> I don't think there are nice people in the world, I KNOW there are nice people in the world. Whether it was my bicycle trip to Ireland in the '70s and any number of people went out of their way to be helpful. A bicycle trip to Norway and someone took me and my bicycle over the 2nd tallest bridge in Norway, because I have a fear of heights. Or it was the lady on the Trans Europe Express in Germany that helped out when I realized that I was on a train going the right direction, but without the money or ticket for it. I can point to any number of examples in the U.S. Just two weeks ago, my husband left his wallet on a counter, but someone saw it and made sure it was kept safe. Maybe we hear about the bad folks too much. There a good things being done by lots of people every day all over the place for no other reason that they want to. Just look at this list. Peter in the beautiful Berkshires of Massachusetts will help anyone with a place name or figure out what map to get. Cathy O'Neil is willing to share her knowledge of the FHL films. And, those are but two examples. There are folks that don't react well to information or forget to say thank you, I figure they have too much stress in their life and I just ignore it and go along with mine. Sue Richart In the beautiful Huckleberry Mountains of Eastern Washington

Not an easy question Kate.................as most well know.............probably the most difficult to answer The elusive Catholic parish. There is no equivalent to the IRL-Atlas for that. We see lists of parishes on the various Catholic Dioscescan web sites today - but that's not to say that any of them will have the parish name that we are looking for. The fact that so many parish records ony give names and no place-names can make it all the more confusing for us. I can tell you how I go about finding - or - 'trying' to find a parish. I take the townland spelling as given to me and I check to see which Civil parish it's in - if I can't findit that way, then the next thing I do, is check my index to the places named in the Lewis Topographical Dictionary of Ireland to see if that name or a variation of it pops up as one of the other names that he gives a place...............if you look to parishes as he names them then lots of times he gives the old name for the parish, or an 'or' name for the parish............ If I can't find it there - then, I'm kind of stumped in some ways - except, I'm patient enough, so, I begin to read through all the descriptions of the civil parishes for that county as per Lewis.............hoping that somewhere in there I'll see mention of a Union that includes a name similar or exactly like the one I am looking for. Say I find that the 'parish' I am looking for belongs to some union or other...............and when I check the list of Roman Catholic parish records that exist on microfilm I can't find a listing for my parish - but.............I find a listing for the union or another parish in that union - well, then, that's where I'll begin. I'll go to that set of parish records and see if I can find any of the surnames I am interested in. One other place I will try is a listing of placenames in Irish that I have - I'll look there to see if there is anything that is phonetically similar to my townland name - that's if I've not found a mention of this townland in any of the other resources. Before that, I'll also have taken a look at my listing of Catholic parishes in every diocese in 1836 and then the ones for 1846 that I have - all I will be looking for is some clue that can point me to records for parishes that existedin the time frame that I am interested in - when I haven't found the townland name in any official index - then it'll just be parishes and closest post towns I'll want. I'll also check the listing of names in the 1885/89 Townlands in Poor Law Unions - 'cos soemtimes names in there are different to those in the Sean Ruad Irl-Atlas - 'cept, I don't use the on-line atlas, I use the book, because there are errors in the online atlas. Now - if push really comes to shove, and I can't find a parish to go with my townland at all..............and I'm told it was located in a particular county - then, I'll check or have checked the Tithe index and/or the Griffiths Valuation index (Tithes give you approx 10% of the population) to see if the surname is found anywhere in that county. I'll look at the parish names..........then I'll go back to my Lewis and I'll see what he has to say about those parishes, civil and religious........ and then maybe I'll be back to the Catholic directories to see what they have to say about parishes and closest post towns..........and then I'll head off to the National Library of Ireland and I'll check to see what parish records exist for eitehr parish names as I have them written down, or parishes as they are listed, but really towns........... and then, I'll begin to check out those films one by one to see if the surname I am interested in is found in them - and fingers crossed the records I find it in will have townlands listed as well - and one of those townlands will be the same as or phonetically similar to the one I am looking for. If the townland is found, listed in a civil parish and the civil parish name was the same as the Catholic parish - well, then, it's easy peasy..............if the townland belongs to a Catholic parish with a different name - well, then, it's not so easy - and if you can't find the townland name tying in to anything, then it's just a whole load of work. And in the end - no matter how many avenues you go down - you may just find nothing. Usually though, so long as one can be *very* open minded about how something is spelled...........well, you can come up with the right answer and find an 'almost' spelling to yours. With the difficult ones, it's literally a case of not giving up...............making sure you've gone through everything. Find yourself a middle and work your way out. Jane :-) Dublin, Ireland - http://www.from-ireland.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "fastmail Kate Dempsey" <katedempsey@fastmail.fm> To: <Y-IRL@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [Y-IRL] Civil Parishes > > > Thank you Jane for your discussion of Civil parishes. I wonder what is the > best way for finding which RC parish a particular townland is in. Is there > an equivalent of the townatlas for that? > > Thanks

Since "ros" means "headland" in Irish, and since Ireland is an island, I guess there must be heck of a lot of Rosses there, heh heh. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) System firewalled with ZoneAlarm Pro and regularly caulked with Microsoft Critical Updates. System and outgoing e-mails scanned with automatically-updated Norton Antivirus 2002. And a hearty thank-you to those who take similar precautions and thereby prevent their address books from being hijacked and used to send me spam, viruses, worms, scumware and other undesirable stuff. -----Original Message----- From: IRL-GALWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:IRL-GALWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PeteScherm@aol.com Sent: 09 December 2004 00:22 To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GALWAY] Re: Ross David at david.soule@maine.edu writes: << Or Ross Island??? Does anything like this exist in County Galway? >> Well, David........ I think we have enough Rosses to satisfy you. There's one out on the south shore of Ballynakill Harbor, far in the west of Galway about 3 miles east of Cleggan. It's in Ballynakill civil parish, but the one in Ballynahinch Barony. There are three other Ballynakill civil parish locations in Co. Galway, and the one in Leitrim Barony is the site of another Ross townland.......... about as far from Ross #1 as you can get in the county. It's about 6 miles SE of Loughrea town. There are two other Ross townlands, between the Ballynakill ones. One is in Killannin civil parish (it's actually a "Ross Demesne") about 5 miles SE of Oughterard town, along Ross Lake near the N 59. The last Ross is across Lough Corrib, up on the Mayo border about a mile NW of Headford. It's the site of the fine Ross Errilly friary, in Killursa civil parish. If you really need an island location, there is Rossroe Island in Kilcummin CP. It's a mile or two north of Carraroe and about 2 miles NW of Rossaveel, where the ferry goes to the Aran Islands. And, of course, there are many more townlands starting with "Ross" in Co. Galway. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== Join an Ireland list that discusses Irish genealogy, history, and culture. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRELAND.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Pádraig at pcasey@compuserve.com writes: << Since "ros" means "headland" in Irish, and since Ireland is an island, I guess there must be heck of a lot of Rosses there, heh heh. >> Pádraig, That's partially true, and that was when I was happiest - finding a Ross townland on the coast. But many are inland, such as the Ross SE of Loughrea. In this case, an alternative definition of "wooded" takes-over. This Ross is on the eastern slopes of the Slieve Aughty mountains and in a heavily-wooded area. Of course, when you have a wooded headland, you have "the best of both words" <gr>. Pete

Yeah there must be a heck of a lot of roses there in Ireland, but the question is will I ever get the chance to see them, heh heh. (just being a smartie pants this morning, its 5:02 a.m. over here! Yes I rise early each morning!) -Anonymous ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Casey To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 12:58 AM Subject: RE: [GALWAY] Re: Ross Since "ros" means "headland" in Irish, and since Ireland is an island, I guess there must be heck of a lot of Rosses there, heh heh.

I'd like to ask all list members to be very careful - whatever you do - don't open an email with an attachment uless you scan that attachment for viruses first. Particularly - never open an attachment that shows my email address - any of my email addresses. Or, an attachment from any person who you know has a web site - or, who contributes to email lists. I NEVER send attachments to anyone unless I ask them wil they receive them first - I'm sure thaty most web site owners or people who email mail lists regularly also operate to this same principle. You may receive emails with attachemnts that seem to come from me or my email address - they do NOT - my email addy wil have been picked up by the virus infecting someone elses computer because it was in the address book of the infected computer Web site owners and people who contribute to lists regularly - theirs wil be the first email addresses to be picked up by any email virus - theirs are the addresses in too many address books. So, please NEVER open an attachment unless you are the person who is supposed to have sent it to you, if they sent it. Keep your anti virus programme up to date - but even at that - don't open unsolicited attachments - even if they look like they came from your Granny - Ask first - better safe than sorry Godnight, Jane

There are 18 letters in the Irish alphabet: a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, l, m, n, o, p, r, s, t, u. We also 'borrow' the letters j, q, v, w, x, and z in what are known as loan words. We have the basic vowels: a, e, i, o, and u. These may either be short or long, and the difference in the length of a vowel, when one type is exchanged for the other in a word can change the meaning of that word...........our accent, the fada*, tells us how the letter should be pronounced The following gives some indication of how the vowels are pronounced. Remember that your accent differs again to any of ours and what you have when you say these words are an approximation, the sound will be somewhat different when spoken by an Irish person. Vowel: English word which contains this vowel as sounded a cat a with fada* law e che (rry) e with fada* may i shin i with fada* mean o done/lot o with fada* more u bus u with fada* cool *a fada is an accent above the letter - other people's mail programmes don't read accents The vowels combine with each other in a number of ways, for example i and u combining with ia and ua, which sound like eea and ooa. In the middle of words the combinations a(id)h, o(id)h, eidh and eigh also consist of two vowel sounds pronounced like the English eye or my. Also, (e)amh is pronounced like 'ow' in the english cow and how; for some dialects (e)abh, obh, omh, odh, ogh are also pronounced in this way as 'ow'; while in others they are pronounced like a long o sound as in the English more. The combinations umh and ubh are pronounced like a long oo sound as in the English word cool. The combination ao does not represent two sounds. In Ulster and Connaught Irish it is usually pronounced ee; in Munster Irish it sounds like the vowel in the English may; aoi is usually pronounced ee In some counties they have 'e' and sound it like 'a'. In some counties they drop their 'h' in words and names, some counties will pronounce the word Bally as Balla or even it can be spelled Baile or Ballagh.. We have lots of dis, dat, dese and dose instead of that 'th' sound J Some people will sound an 'rd' combination as 't'. The 'H' can be dropped from a name, making for example the surname 'Harmon' become 'Armon' 'O' can be pronounced 'Au' making Odlum become Audlum The vowel sounds are substituted for one another left, right and centre in any surname or placename it seems. We add 's' we take it away, as and when we feel like it or so it may look - but this is really related to the accent in the area. Banaghan can become Bannan losing the 'gh' sound A 'v' sound can become a 'w' sound Bee can be pronounced Bay. W as Q I could go on for ever and ever with sounds. When you are searching through the various records and you see a name - which has some if any similarity to the one you seek, *sound* both names to yourself..say them as many different ways as you can and then take the reference for each. You never know when someone will tell you that the second is a variation on the first. .and then again because it is an Irish name or word...it may not be.

David at david.soule@maine.edu writes: << Or Ross Island??? Does anything like this exist in County Galway? >> Well, David........ I think we have enough Rosses to satisfy you. There's one out on the south shore of Ballynakill Harbor, far in the west of Galway about 3 miles east of Cleggan. It's in Ballynakill civil parish, but the one in Ballynahinch Barony. There are three other Ballynakill civil parish locations in Co. Galway, and the one in Leitrim Barony is the site of another Ross townland.......... about as far from Ross #1 as you can get in the county. It's about 6 miles SE of Loughrea town. There are two other Ross townlands, between the Ballynakill ones. One is in Killannin civil parish (it's actually a "Ross Demesne") about 5 miles SE of Oughterard town, along Ross Lake near the N 59. The last Ross is across Lough Corrib, up on the Mayo border about a mile NW of Headford. It's the site of the fine Ross Errilly friary, in Killursa civil parish. If you really need an island location, there is Rossroe Island in Kilcummin CP. It's a mile or two north of Carraroe and about 2 miles NW of Rossaveel, where the ferry goes to the Aran Islands. And, of course, there are many more townlands starting with "Ross" in Co. Galway. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts